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Re: [seq24-users] Request for a 'seq24-dev' mailing-list

[Niels O. <ni...@dr...>]

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Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote:
> I can hardly consider myself an audio developer, or feel directly
> concerned with your initial question ; but I  gladly welcome the idea
> of a drum sequencer (drum editor ?) in seq24.

Me too.

Just a few minutes ago I finished some experimenting with seq24 and my
Yamaha A4K sampler... Seq24 is a great tool.

My drum machine is a plenty old and simple Boss Dr.Groove DR-202 which
has an additional MIDI track to make it work with e.g. samplers.
However, it does not provide quantization on the MIDI track. I warmly
welcome the idea of using seq24 for triggering percussion-alike samples
(e.g. parts of voices, etc.)

Even though it does not help me with my plans for live electronics
stuff, for recording it seems to keep my head free from thinking too
much about sequencing.

More planning ahead, awaiting the recording gear to be delivered...

   Niels

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Re: [seq24-users] Request for a 'seq24-dev' mailing-list

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

I think it actually makes sense. A lot of us are developing patches, 
bugfixes and new features for this excellent piece of software, so a 
seq24-devel list would be really good.

Ivan

elt...@fr... escribió:
> I'm now developping a drum sequencer module for seq24 and need to make some
> quite bigs changes into seq24. Since it looks we are now few developpers on
> seq24, I think it become necessary to get a dedicated place to talk about
> itś developpement : technical discussions cold be quite annoying for
> user-only people.
>
> A Svn/:(CVS) could be interresting too ...
>
> Thk you in advance, (is it straight english ?)
>
> Elthariel.
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Re: [seq24-users] Request for a 'seq24-dev' mailing-list

[Jean-Baptiste M. <mes...@gm...>]

Hello.

I can hardly consider myself an audio developer, or feel directly
concerned with your initial question ; but I  gladly welcome the idea
of a drum sequencer (drum editor ?) in seq24.

Feel free to discuss technical matters here, as far as I am concerned.

Peace.

On 8/25/06, elt...@fr... <elt...@fr...> wrote:
> I'm now developping a drum sequencer module for seq24 and need to make some
> quite bigs changes into seq24. Since it looks we are now few developpers on
> seq24, I think it become necessary to get a dedicated place to talk about
> it&#347; developpement : technical discussions cold be quite annoying for
> user-only people.
>
> A Svn/:(CVS) could be interresting too ...
>
> Thk you in advance, (is it straight english ?)
>
> Elthariel.
>
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[seq24-users] Request for a 'seq24-dev' mailing-list

[<elt...@fr...>]

I'm now developping a drum sequencer module for seq24 and need to make so=
me
quite bigs changes into seq24. Since it looks we are now few developpers =
on
seq24, I think it become necessary to get a dedicated place to talk about
itś developpement : technical discussions cold be quite annoying for
user-only people.

A Svn/:(CVS) could be interresting too ...

Thk you in advance, (is it straight english ?)

Elthariel.

Re: [seq24-users] feature proposal: time 'swing'

[Ben S. <ben...@fa...>]

Hi,

Federico wrote:
> hi,
> 
> first of all I want to say I am very happy for the release of 0.8.7, it
> includes lots of features I always wanted (and finally the
> stretch-events patch! ;p ).
> 
> the only feature actually I miss is a swing/humanize/or such function
> that applies to timing of events.

Yes, this would be a great feature.  Currently, I do swing by setting 
the snap grid to 1/12, 1/24, etc, but this isn't very flexible. 
Humanizing or slightly randomizing note timing would be great too; I 
sometimes set the grid to 1/192 and nudge individual notes to get this 
effect.

> actually seq24 follows a straight grid, mean every 1/16th (tick) of bar
> has the same duration.
> generally programs achieve 'swing' by pushing or pushing or pulling the
> even ticks forward or backward. (for events outside the 1/16th grid, the
> timing variation is calculated by interpolation).

Jazz usually swings on 1/8th notes; it would be nice to set the 
swing-base to any note duration.

> more 'pro' would be the ability to change the time-variation for every
> 1/16th of the pattern, something like many little sliders over the tme
> bar....
> I value it a nice thing...
> 
> what others think about this?
> can this be compatible with jacksync?

Working with jack transport would be essential for me...

> I can also start looking inside sources, and try to implement this,
> however I never coded a gtk widget, nor dealt with jack* ...maybe I
> would be able to do a new quantize editor, but it lacks of interactivity
> and it's not what I have in mind (make a straight rhythm and then use
> this feature would do the work, keeping things simple)
> 

Actually, I would be happy to have both of

1) a swing snap-grid for entering notes

2) a one-time quantization operation that would apply swing/humanize to 
the notes.

Seems like this would be less tricky to implement.  Another thing I've 
been wanting to experiment with is arbitrary time divisions (the ability 
to do quintets, septets, etc) which could also be handled by 
quantization grids.  I thought about trying to implement this in seq24, 
but I think the tick resolution is 1/192, which might not be enough for 
accurate timing with the n-tets.

Ben

[seq24-users] feature proposal: time 'swing'

[Federico <xa...@in...>]

hi,

first of all I want to say I am very happy for the release of 0.8.7, it
includes lots of features I always wanted (and finally the
stretch-events patch! ;p ).

the only feature actually I miss is a swing/humanize/or such function
that applies to timing of events.

actually seq24 follows a straight grid, mean every 1/16th (tick) of bar
has the same duration.
generally programs achieve 'swing' by pushing or pushing or pulling the
even ticks forward or backward. (for events outside the 1/16th grid, the
timing variation is calculated by interpolation).

more 'pro' would be the ability to change the time-variation for every
1/16th of the pattern, something like many little sliders over the tme
bar....
I value it a nice thing...

what others think about this?
can this be compatible with jacksync?

I can also start looking inside sources, and try to implement this,
however I never coded a gtk widget, nor dealt with jack* ...maybe I
would be able to do a new quantize editor, but it lacks of interactivity
and it's not what I have in mind (make a straight rhythm and then use
this feature would do the work, keeping things simple)

-- 
ciao
Federico

Re: [seq24-users] timing

[Ben S. <ben...@fa...>]

Whoops, I meant to send this to the list.  I will check on the kernel 
frequency when I get back to my computer.

Rob Buse wrote:
> Ben-
> 
> What frequency are you running the kernel at ?  I would suggest 1024Hz.
> 
> Rob
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> For some reason Seq24's timing isn't what it used to be on my
>> computer...  This is after a fresh install of Debian on a new hard
>> drive, but I installed exactly the same kernel I had before.  Realtime
>> priority is working fine with Jack.  I'm planning to do some research
>> on this issue, but does anyone have any pointers to common causes of
>> timing issues with ALSA MIDI or seq24 in particular?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>>

Re: [seq24-users] Compilation problems on FreeBSD

[Jonny S. <jst...@je...>]

Michael Gardner wrote:
> Also, I took a look at the source code and found that only 'dump.cpp'
> and 'midibus.h' include ALSA headers. Would it be possible to rewrite
> those parts of seq24 that rely on ALSA to use JACK instead?

I'll hazard an educated guess and say "no, for the time being".  Seq24 
uses ALSA for MIDI IO so the only way you could use JACK as a 
replacement would be to use bleeding edge JACK MIDI code that isn't 
available in almost any Linux distro yet.  Even then you'd still have to 
deal with getting MIDI out into the real world which is (presumably) 
still done with ALSA libraries even when using JACK.

The way to get seq24 working on FreeBSD would be to re-write the MIDI 
code to work with whatever library FreeBSD uses for MIDI IO.  I'm not 
very familiar with the seq24 code so I don't know how difficult that 
would be.  The current focus seems to be on using PortMidi for IO which 
doesn't support FreeBSD either.

Sorry, not very helpful I'm afraid.

-- 
Jonny

Music - http://jeremah.co.uk
News - http://voxpolis.com

Re: [seq24-users] seq24-0.8.7

[Dana O. <da...@ub...>]

On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 17:33 +0200, Esben Stien wrote:
> "Rob Buse" <rc...@fi...> writes:
>=20
> > I'm using portmidi.
>=20
> How about JACK MIDI?


That isn't going to work well for win32 users, will it? It's not even in
the stable jack yet either. I hope that seq24 adds this at some point,
but right now isn't the best time, lest it join the shelf with the dino
sequencer until such a time as a new jack is put into debian and ubuntu
and other distros with the jack midi support.

Re: [seq24-users] seq24-0.8.7

[Dana O. <da...@ub...>]

On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 17:33 +0200, Esben Stien wrote:
> "Rob Buse" <rc...@fi...> writes:
>=20
> > I'm using portmidi.
>=20
> How about JACK MIDI?


That isn't going to work well for win32 users, will it? It's not even in
the stable jack yet either. I hope that seq24 adds this at some point,
but right now isn't the best time, lest it join the shelf with the dino
sequencer until such a time as a new jack is put into debian and ubuntu
and other distros with the jack midi support.

Re: [seq24-users] Compilation problems on FreeBSD

[Michael G. <gar...@gm...>]

An update: I found a precompiled binary, but am having a hell of a
time getting it to run. Has anyone else gotten seq24 Linux binaries
running on FreeBSD?

Also, I took a look at the source code and found that only 'dump.cpp'
and 'midibus.h' include ALSA headers. Would it be possible to rewrite
those parts of seq24 that rely on ALSA to use JACK instead? I'm
looking into it myself, but I have no experience with ALSA or JACK, so
I'd appreciate any hints.

-Mike

Re: [seq24-users] [seq24] 3/4 patterns

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

Also, you should try 0.8.7 now.

tho...@al... escribió:
> For information i've got a 0.8.3 version and i'm controlling everything by
> midi, and i send before every "patterns on/off" signals a "mod queue"
> signal to apply the pattern changes at the end of each pattern. But the
> problem is the same by just clicking on seq24.

Re: [seq24-users] [seq24] 3/4 patterns

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

well, here goes an example , if i understand ok you wanna have a 
patternA with 4/4, and other patternB with 3/4 and do this:
patA,patA,patB,patB,patA,patA
and so...
see if the attach is what you want.
Ivan

tho...@al... escribió:
> Hello seq24 users ;),
>
> I'm ran into a big problem while using seq24 i was wondering if anyone had
> ever tried this.
> The thing is i want to make a break in the music, let's say a 3/4 pattern
> right in the middle of my song in 4/4. But when i simply play the patterns
> it plays the 3/4 then waits the last 1/4 before switching to the next.
> For information i've got a 0.8.3 version and i'm controlling everything by
> midi, and i send before every "patterns on/off" signals a "mod queue"
> signal to apply the pattern changes at the end of each pattern. But the
> problem is the same by just clicking on seq24.
> So i tried many combinations of "sequence length in bar" and "time
> signature" but no way to make seq24 play the song the way i want.
> Maybe few of you are trying to make weird breaks (no post about that on
> the list archive), but i cannot imagine not doing that. There has to be a
> way around the problem because the song editor is doing things all right.
> I'm a little scared because i spent weeks trying to make a Pure Data patch
> to control Seq24 by foot on stage and now it seems that some song
> structures cannot be played. I could maybe translate my patch to another
> live midi player (if i knew one) but seq 24 was just the one i needed.
> Please tell me there's a hidden checkbox called "Start next pattern right
> after this one is finished" ;)
> Thanks
> Thomas
>
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Re: [seq24-users] [seq24] 3/4 patterns

[Dan E. <dan...@gm...>]

On 8/15/06, tho...@al... <tho...@al...> wrote:
> Hello seq24 users ;),
>
> I'm ran into a big problem while using seq24 i was wondering if anyone had
> ever tried this.
> The thing is i want to make a break in the music, let's say a 3/4 pattern
> right in the middle of my song in 4/4. But when i simply play the patterns
> it plays the 3/4 then waits the last 1/4 before switching to the next.

No solutions here, but a strong plea that patterns of different meters
be made to occupy the same amount of time - ie a 3/4 pattern, a 4/4
pattern and a 5/4 pattern all starting and ending in the same spot.  I
suspect this would require some rather fundamental changes to the
code, but I would absolutely love it if I could use seq24 to easily
construct polyrhythms.

On second thought, I might be asking for the exact opposite of what
Thomas wants, and his request sounds both easier to code and more
consistent with performance of the program thus far.  Clearly, I
should wait to post until the second cup of coffee's been downed.

-- 
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[seq24-users] [seq24] 3/4 patterns

[<tho...@al...>]

Hello seq24 users ;),

I'm ran into a big problem while using seq24 i was wondering if anyone ha=
d
ever tried this.
The thing is i want to make a break in the music, let's say a 3/4 pattern
right in the middle of my song in 4/4. But when i simply play the pattern=
s
it plays the 3/4 then waits the last 1/4 before switching to the next.
For information i've got a 0.8.3 version and i'm controlling everything b=
y
midi, and i send before every "patterns on/off" signals a "mod queue"
signal to apply the pattern changes at the end of each pattern. But the
problem is the same by just clicking on seq24.
So i tried many combinations of "sequence length in bar" and "time
signature" but no way to make seq24 play the song the way i want.
Maybe few of you are trying to make weird breaks (no post about that on
the list archive), but i cannot imagine not doing that. There has to be a
way around the problem because the song editor is doing things all right.
I'm a little scared because i spent weeks trying to make a Pure Data patc=
h
to control Seq24 by foot on stage and now it seems that some song
structures cannot be played. I could maybe translate my patch to another
live midi player (if i knew one) but seq 24 was just the one i needed.
Please tell me there's a hidden checkbox called "Start next pattern right
after this one is finished" ;)
Thanks
Thomas

[seq24-users] seq24-0.8.7.ih1

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

As posting files to the list has it's limits, and is also annoying i 
have uploaded patches to my web site.
Patches include:

    * Round robbin editing support: Notes can start at the end and the
      continue on the begin of the seq like if they where on a
      continuous piano roll
    * Quantimization on record, so you don't ever need to quantize your
      input
    * Fixed and Free record volume, a must have for your drum patterns
    * Remember last Save/Open path
    * Start/Stop Playing with Spacebar, from main window and from the
      Edit Piano Roll
    * New Quantize button on bar, for easy access to that godbless function


Links are:

http://www.desfonema.com.ar/index.php?page=software

http://www.desfonema.com.ar/seq24-0.8.7.ih1.tar.gz

And the old but still introductory guide at:
http://www.desfonema.com.ar/seq24guide/

Ivan

[seq24-users] Compilation problems on FreeBSD

[Michael G. <gar...@gm...>]

I'm trying to compile seq24 on FreeBSD, and am running into a few
problems during configuration.

First, configure seems to be looking for librt, which does not exist
on FreeBSD. Does FreeBSD even provide the realtime facilities that
seq24 needs?

Second, if I remove the check for librt from configure, it still fails
because it can't find libasound (from ALSA). Is there a way configure
seq24 to use only JACK and not ALSA? I tried "./configure
--disable-alsa-support" and "./configure --disable-alsa" to no avail.

Finally, in case it turns out that there's no way to get seq24 to
compile under FreeBSD, where I might find a precompiled Linux binary
to use in compatibility mode?

Thanks,
Mike

Re: [seq24-users] seq24-0.8.7

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

Cairo support is only present on gtk 2.8, which debian stable, and some 
older ones hasn't. Compiling gtk 2.8 requires a lot of dependencies and 
is almost a nightmare.
Maybe it's more a strategic descition than a thechnical one.

Ivan

Esben Stien escribió:
> "Rob Buse" <rc...@fi...> writes:
>
>   
>> I'm using portmidi.
>>     
>
> How about JACK MIDI?
>
>   
>> drawing code
>>     
>
> Any plans to switch to cairo?. There is a preliminary patch out there
> by drobilla. 
>
>   

Re: [seq24-users] seq24-0.8.7

[Esben S. <b0...@es...>]

"Rob Buse" <rc...@fi...> writes:

> I'm using portmidi.

How about JACK MIDI?

> drawing code

Any plans to switch to cairo?. There is a preliminary patch out there
by drobilla. 

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Re: [seq24-users] seq24-0.8.7

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

Dear Rob:
Here i have some patches that are basically implementing this features:

1) Quantize on Record
2) Fixed volume on record (Nice for drum patterns)
3) Quantize Button
4) Start/Stop with spacebar

also has some fixes to the old Quantize code.

Also there are some things i'm working on, specially, on the "round 
robbin" logic. It's needed to avoid problems when note on is at the end 
of the pattern and note off event is at the begin of the patter.

Cheers
Ivan

Rob Buse escribió:
> hey everyone.
>
> sorry I haven't been on the list much, but we have a new release I
> should have gotten out a long time ago.
>
> some of the changes:
> Ctrl-Z Undos.
> Ctrl + Select Adds to Selection.
> Window Raise on Edit.
> Clipboard shared among editors.
> Items remain selected after edit.
> Can now 'paint' notes / events in editor.
> Paste buffer doesn't clear.
> Added new rc file for custom named ports and CC codes (see example in
> tar).
> Keypress Start (space) and Stop (escape).
> Shift + Middle Mouse will now stretch events over range.
> and lots of other things I can't even remember anymore.
>
> I have also been working on a win32 port of seq24.  I'm using portmidi.
> I know some people on here have been wanting an OSX port, so when I'm
> finished with the win32 version, someone will have to do a build on OSX.
>
> Also, win32 gtkmm is pretty slow, so I've been having to optimize lots
> of the drawing code, which means a much, much quicker linux version when
> this is all finished.  wooo.
>
> Sorry this took so long to get out the door.  There are quite a few
> patches in this release from those of you on the list, so thanks for all
> your help.
>
> cheers
> rob
>   

[seq24-users] seq24-0.8.7

[Rob B. <rc...@fi...>]

hey everyone.

sorry I haven't been on the list much, but we have a new release I
should have gotten out a long time ago.

some of the changes:
Ctrl-Z Undos.
Ctrl + Select Adds to Selection.
Window Raise on Edit.
Clipboard shared among editors.
Items remain selected after edit.
Can now 'paint' notes / events in editor.
Paste buffer doesn't clear.
Added new rc file for custom named ports and CC codes (see example in
tar).
Keypress Start (space) and Stop (escape).
Shift + Middle Mouse will now stretch events over range.
and lots of other things I can't even remember anymore.

I have also been working on a win32 port of seq24.  I'm using portmidi.
I know some people on here have been wanting an OSX port, so when I'm
finished with the win32 version, someone will have to do a build on OSX.

Also, win32 gtkmm is pretty slow, so I've been having to optimize lots
of the drawing code, which means a much, much quicker linux version when
this is all finished.  wooo.

Sorry this took so long to get out the door.  There are quite a few
patches in this release from those of you on the list, so thanks for all
your help.

cheers
rob

Re: [seq24-users] multiple paste

[Florian P. S. <mis...@gm...>]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:21:23 +0200
Atte Andr=E9 Jensen <att...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi
>=20
> It would be nice if the content of the copy buffer stayed there after=20
> paste, co you could copy, paste, paste, paste...

vote++

Flo

--=20
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[seq24-users] multiple paste

[<att...@gm...>]

Hi

It would be nice if the content of the copy buffer stayed there after 
paste, co you could copy, paste, paste, paste...

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

[seq24-users] zooming

[<att...@gm...>]

Hi

Is there a way to zoom in the edit window? I'd like to see more than 2 
bars...

Also: wouldn't it be a nice feature if seq24 tries to goto the range (if 
possible) of the notes upon opening the edit window. For instance I have 
only a bass drum in a pattern, played real low and I have to scroll down 
to it after opening edit...

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

Re: [seq24-users] saving/restoring

[Jean-Baptiste M. <mes...@gm...>]

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