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Re: [seq24-users] timing

[Rob B. <rc...@fi...>]

What does your seq24 console output look like when you run with --stats ?

Rob

On 9/10/2006, "Ben Saylor" <ben...@fa...> wrote:

>Here's an update on my progress with improving seq24's timing on my
>system, in case it someone might find it useful or have any additional
>insights.
>
>The following page has some useful information on priorities and other
>things relating to MIDI timing and audio:
>http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=3D40
>
>I increased seq24's realtime priority above Jack's by setting Jack's
>priority to 80 and changing line 1009 in perform.cpp from
>=09schp->sched_priority =3D 1;
>to
>=09schp->sched_priority =3D 85;
>and starting seq24 with the --priority flag (BTW, it would be nice
>if --priority accepted an integer argument for the desired priority;
>that's what I expected to happen at first but found that it was hard
>coded).
>
>I increased the priority and frequency of the RTC (this is what seq24
>uses for timing, right?):
>=09chrt -f -p 98 `pidof "IRQ 8"`
>=09echo 8192 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq
>
>This seems to have improved MIDI timing.  However, when CPU load is
>somewhat high (~50% in my test setup), switching desktops, launching
>non-realtime applications, and especially moving windows can cause huge
>timing glitches.  The sequence seems to pause and then catch up when I
>stop dragging the window.  While this is happening, the audio continues
>to play, and while enough window-dragging will cause audio dropouts,
>the MIDI timing seems to go bad first, even though I've given seq24 and
>RTC higher priorities than the audio apps.  I don't understand this,
>and I don't understand why the timing should be affected so badly by
>CPU activity caused by non-realtime processes, when all of the audio
>and MIDI stuff has realtime priority.  Here's the output of top, sorted
>by priority:
>
>  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>    9 root      RT   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0
>2342 root      RT   0 10464  10m 1976 S  0.0  1.3   0:00.38 das_watchdog
>  236 root     -99  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 IRQ 8
> 5815 me       -91   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.0  4.6   0:00.00 jackd
> 5856 me       -86   5 39068  11m 9952 S  0.1  1.6   0:05.58 seq24
> 5816 me       -81   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.8  4.6   0:12.37 jackd
> 5817 me       -80   0 29500  27m  16m S  0.0  3.7   0:04.44 qjackctl
> 5823 me       -80   5 51372  49m 7464 S 18.3  6.5   4:11.51 zynaddsubfx
> 5828 me       -80   5 61484  59m  26m S  1.4  7.8   0:22.76 hydrogen
>
>Then down below, there's another seq24 thread at priority -2.
>
>On Monday 21 August 2006 08:58, Ben Saylor wrote:
>> Whoops, I meant to send this to the list.  I will check on the kernel
>> frequency when I get back to my computer.
>>
>> Rob Buse wrote:
>> > Ben-
>> >
>> > What frequency are you running the kernel at ?  I would suggest
>> > 1024Hz.
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> For some reason Seq24's timing isn't what it used to be on my
>> >> computer...  This is after a fresh install of Debian on a new hard
>> >> drive, but I installed exactly the same kernel I had before.
>> >> Realtime priority is working fine with Jack.  I'm planning to do
>> >> some research on this issue, but does anyone have any pointers to
>> >> common causes of timing issues with ALSA MIDI or seq24 in
>> >> particular?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ben
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Re: [seq24-users] Seq24 Win

[Rob B. <rc...@fi...>]

It's not far off now.  I have the app building and running without midi
right now.  There were a lot of UI issues to take care of, but those are
now out of the way  Within the next month or so there should be a win32
beta for folks to try.

cheers
rob

>How's progress on the Windows version of Seq24? There's people here
>eagerly waiting for it :)
>
>/Thomas
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Re: [seq24-users] timing

[Elthariel <elt...@fr...>]

Please consider joining seq24-dev for talks about seq24 development :p

Thx

Ben Saylor wrote:
> Here's an update on my progress with improving seq24's timing on my 
> system, in case it someone might find it useful or have any additional 
> insights.
>
> The following page has some useful information on priorities and other 
> things relating to MIDI timing and audio:
> http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40
>
> I increased seq24's realtime priority above Jack's by setting Jack's 
> priority to 80 and changing line 1009 in perform.cpp from
> 	schp->sched_priority = 1;
> to
> 	schp->sched_priority = 85;
> and starting seq24 with the --priority flag (BTW, it would be nice 
> if --priority accepted an integer argument for the desired priority; 
> that's what I expected to happen at first but found that it was hard 
> coded).
>
> I increased the priority and frequency of the RTC (this is what seq24 
> uses for timing, right?):
> 	chrt -f -p 98 `pidof "IRQ 8"`
> 	echo 8192 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq
>
> This seems to have improved MIDI timing.  However, when CPU load is 
> somewhat high (~50% in my test setup), switching desktops, launching 
> non-realtime applications, and especially moving windows can cause huge 
> timing glitches.  The sequence seems to pause and then catch up when I 
> stop dragging the window.  While this is happening, the audio continues 
> to play, and while enough window-dragging will cause audio dropouts, 
> the MIDI timing seems to go bad first, even though I've given seq24 and 
> RTC higher priorities than the audio apps.  I don't understand this, 
> and I don't understand why the timing should be affected so badly by 
> CPU activity caused by non-realtime processes, when all of the audio 
> and MIDI stuff has realtime priority.  Here's the output of top, sorted 
> by priority:
>
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>     9 root      RT   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0
> 2342 root      RT   0 10464  10m 1976 S  0.0  1.3   0:00.38 das_watchdog
>   236 root     -99  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 IRQ 8
>  5815 me       -91   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.0  4.6   0:00.00 jackd
>  5856 me       -86   5 39068  11m 9952 S  0.1  1.6   0:05.58 seq24
>  5816 me       -81   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.8  4.6   0:12.37 jackd
>  5817 me       -80   0 29500  27m  16m S  0.0  3.7   0:04.44 qjackctl
>  5823 me       -80   5 51372  49m 7464 S 18.3  6.5   4:11.51 zynaddsubfx
>  5828 me       -80   5 61484  59m  26m S  1.4  7.8   0:22.76 hydrogen
>
> Then down below, there's another seq24 thread at priority -2.
>
> On Monday 21 August 2006 08:58, Ben Saylor wrote:
>   
>> Whoops, I meant to send this to the list.  I will check on the kernel
>> frequency when I get back to my computer.
>>
>> Rob Buse wrote:
>>     
>>> Ben-
>>>
>>> What frequency are you running the kernel at ?  I would suggest
>>> 1024Hz.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> For some reason Seq24's timing isn't what it used to be on my
>>>> computer...  This is after a fresh install of Debian on a new hard
>>>> drive, but I installed exactly the same kernel I had before. 
>>>> Realtime priority is working fine with Jack.  I'm planning to do
>>>> some research on this issue, but does anyone have any pointers to
>>>> common causes of timing issues with ALSA MIDI or seq24 in
>>>> particular?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ben
>>>>         
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[seq24-users] Seq24 Win

[<th...@jo...>]

How's progress on the Windows version of Seq24? There's people here 
eagerly waiting for it :)

/Thomas

Re: [seq24-users] timing

[Florian S. <mis...@gm...>]

On Monday 11 September 2006 00:44, Ben Saylor wrote:
> Here's an update on my progress with improving seq24's timing on my
> system, in case it someone might find it useful or have any additional
> insights.
>
> The following page has some useful information on priorities and other
> things relating to MIDI timing and audio:
> http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40
>
> I increased seq24's realtime priority above Jack's by setting Jack's
> priority to 80 and changing line 1009 in perform.cpp from
> 	schp->sched_priority = 1;
> to
> 	schp->sched_priority = 85;

actually there's two places in seq24 where you can make this change. i don't 
know which one of the two is really relevant though. One is around line 1005 
in my version [which might be old - upgrading to 0.8.7 now] and the other is 
around line 1565 [hmm the latter seems to be for input. oh well, might not 
hurt].

> and starting seq24 with the --priority flag (BTW, it would be nice
> if --priority accepted an integer argument for the desired priority;
> that's what I expected to happen at first but found that it was hard
> coded).
>
> I increased the priority and frequency of the RTC (this is what seq24
> uses for timing, right?):
> 	chrt -f -p 98 `pidof "IRQ 8"`
> 	echo 8192 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq

seq24 doen't use rtc for timing. It uses sleep() variants. So increasing the 
timer frequency of the kernel to 1000hz [from the default 250hz] should have 
more of an effect.

> This seems to have improved MIDI timing.  However, when CPU load is
> somewhat high (~50% in my test setup), switching desktops, launching
> non-realtime applications, and especially moving windows can cause huge
> timing glitches.  The sequence seems to pause and then catch up when I
> stop dragging the window.  While this is happening, the audio continues
> to play, and while enough window-dragging will cause audio dropouts,
> the MIDI timing seems to go bad first, even though I've given seq24 and
> RTC higher priorities than the audio apps.  I don't understand this,
> and I don't understand why the timing should be affected so badly by
> CPU activity caused by non-realtime processes, when all of the audio
> and MIDI stuff has realtime priority.  Here's the output of top, sorted
> by priority:
>
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>     9 root      RT   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0
> 2342 root      RT   0 10464  10m 1976 S  0.0  1.3   0:00.38 das_watchdog
>   236 root     -99  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 IRQ 8
>  5815 me       -91   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.0  4.6   0:00.00 jackd
>  5856 me       -86   5 39068  11m 9952 S  0.1  1.6   0:05.58 seq24
>  5816 me       -81   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.8  4.6   0:12.37 jackd
>  5817 me       -80   0 29500  27m  16m S  0.0  3.7   0:04.44 qjackctl
>  5823 me       -80   5 51372  49m 7464 S 18.3  6.5   4:11.51 zynaddsubfx
>  5828 me       -80   5 61484  59m  26m S  1.4  7.8   0:22.76 hydrogen
>
> Then down below, there's another seq24 thread at priority -2.

Well, seq24 isn't the only part in this puzzle. zynaddsubfx might have 
troubles, too.

I did some tests though with seq24-0.8.7 [with raised priorities to 95 and 94] 
and my ughsynth [which is available on above page, too] vs. my midi_timer 
test programs [available on above page, too. one doing itming per rtc and the 
other sleep based] and ughsynth. ughsynth prints out the time difference in 
jack frames from one midi event to the next. So one can see from the numbers 
how regular the produced sound is. I add some typical output for all 
combinations:

-- midi_timer_rtc vs. ughsynth:

diff: 6000
diff: 6000
diff: 6001
diff: 6001
diff: 5999
diff: 6001
diff: 6001
diff: 6000
diff: 6000
diff: 6001
diff: 6001

This is a very good jitter number. Keep in mind that i compiled seq24 0.8.7 or 
something else in the background during all these tests [1 frame at 48khz is 
about 0.2ms].

-- midi_timer_sleep vs. ughsynth:

diff: 6027
diff: 5972
diff: 6014
diff: 6021
diff: 6019
diff: 6020
diff: 6032
diff: 5972
diff: 6022
diff: 6018
diff: 6013
diff: 6022

a little more jittery, but still acceptable [50 frames at 48khz = ca. 1ms]. 

-- seq24 --priority [0.8.7 with altered prios [95 and 94]] vs. ughsynth:

diff: 6182
diff: 2
diff: 5798
diff: 5992
diff: 6185
diff: 5801
diff: 5988
diff: 6186
diff: 5990
diff: 6187
diff: 5797
diff: 2
diff: 1

looks a bit funky. There's around 300 frames [at 48khz samplingrate that's 
about 6ms] jitter. Plus there's these weird 1 or 2 frame differences [which 
would account for 6000 frames jitter ;)]. Something fishy's going on with 
seq24 these days..

Just for completeness sake, here's some numbers for rosegarden 4.1.2.4

diff: 6000
diff: 6140
diff: 5863
diff: 5999
diff: 6056
diff: 6144
diff: 5802
diff: 5999
diff: 6114
diff: 5888
diff: 6000
diff: 6033
diff: 6146
diff: 5822

which seems to be about in the same league as seq24 [200 frames = 4 ms 
jitter]. The sequencer timer was set to system timer which basically means it 
is sleep based. I didn't bother to setup rosegarden to use rtc which might 
possibly provide better results.

But these sporadic 1 or 2 frame differences between consecutive midi events 
from seq24 is very weird.

Flo

-- 
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http://tapas.affenbande.org

Re: [seq24-users] timing

[Ben S. <ben...@fa...>]

Here's an update on my progress with improving seq24's timing on my 
system, in case it someone might find it useful or have any additional 
insights.

The following page has some useful information on priorities and other 
things relating to MIDI timing and audio:
http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40

I increased seq24's realtime priority above Jack's by setting Jack's 
priority to 80 and changing line 1009 in perform.cpp from
	schp->sched_priority = 1;
to
	schp->sched_priority = 85;
and starting seq24 with the --priority flag (BTW, it would be nice 
if --priority accepted an integer argument for the desired priority; 
that's what I expected to happen at first but found that it was hard 
coded).

I increased the priority and frequency of the RTC (this is what seq24 
uses for timing, right?):
	chrt -f -p 98 `pidof "IRQ 8"`
	echo 8192 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq

This seems to have improved MIDI timing.  However, when CPU load is 
somewhat high (~50% in my test setup), switching desktops, launching 
non-realtime applications, and especially moving windows can cause huge 
timing glitches.  The sequence seems to pause and then catch up when I 
stop dragging the window.  While this is happening, the audio continues 
to play, and while enough window-dragging will cause audio dropouts, 
the MIDI timing seems to go bad first, even though I've given seq24 and 
RTC higher priorities than the audio apps.  I don't understand this, 
and I don't understand why the timing should be affected so badly by 
CPU activity caused by non-realtime processes, when all of the audio 
and MIDI stuff has realtime priority.  Here's the output of top, sorted 
by priority:

  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
    9 root      RT   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0
2342 root      RT   0 10464  10m 1976 S  0.0  1.3   0:00.38 das_watchdog
  236 root     -99  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 IRQ 8
 5815 me       -91   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.0  4.6   0:00.00 jackd
 5856 me       -86   5 39068  11m 9952 S  0.1  1.6   0:05.58 seq24
 5816 me       -81   0 35736  34m 2584 S  0.8  4.6   0:12.37 jackd
 5817 me       -80   0 29500  27m  16m S  0.0  3.7   0:04.44 qjackctl
 5823 me       -80   5 51372  49m 7464 S 18.3  6.5   4:11.51 zynaddsubfx
 5828 me       -80   5 61484  59m  26m S  1.4  7.8   0:22.76 hydrogen

Then down below, there's another seq24 thread at priority -2.

On Monday 21 August 2006 08:58, Ben Saylor wrote:
> Whoops, I meant to send this to the list.  I will check on the kernel
> frequency when I get back to my computer.
>
> Rob Buse wrote:
> > Ben-
> >
> > What frequency are you running the kernel at ?  I would suggest
> > 1024Hz.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> For some reason Seq24's timing isn't what it used to be on my
> >> computer...  This is after a fresh install of Debian on a new hard
> >> drive, but I installed exactly the same kernel I had before. 
> >> Realtime priority is working fine with Jack.  I'm planning to do
> >> some research on this issue, but does anyone have any pointers to
> >> common causes of timing issues with ALSA MIDI or seq24 in
> >> particular?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ben

[seq24-users] loop loading and midi trigger

[Dubphil <du...@fr...>]

Hello,

I'm new to this list, and after more than one year to lurk around all the
linux audio apps, I came to this great application that is Seq24. Thanks =
a
lot to give us this awesome piece of software !

I have 3 instence of Zynaddsubfx connected to 3 midi loops of Seq24 :
- the rythmic guitar
- the synth
- the bass

for the moment, I open a midi file (session) that is loading the 3 loops
sequence. What I would need is to be able to load the loops individually
into a session, I don't think this feature aready exist. isn't it ?
By this way, I could laod alternative loops during the "play" in replace
to the already loaded loops. This would be very more convenient during
live in order to avoid Seq24 beeing stopped.
In my case stopping Seq24 is quite detrimental because it controls about
everything (hydrogen,my Roland TB303 and of course the 3 loops inside).
In fact, only the sequence changes beetween loops.

Second, it would be very cool if we could trigger the "play" with a midi
learn binding feature, in order to avoid the mouse or keyboard to start
the play. And generally binding midi events to menu items would be great
(sooperlooper is doing this very well).

Thats all, I hope it makes sense for you.

Best regards

Philippe

[seq24-users] Song MIDI export question

[Dana O. <da...@ub...>]

Is it possible to export the performance from the Song Editor window as
a MIDI file so if you play it back with a MIDI player, or open it up in
another sequencer like Rosegarden4, that the layout of the loops is in
tact?

Using File > Save has all the loops lined up at the first bar when you
open it in Rosegarden4, and if you play it in a MIDI player like XMMS
with the MIDI plugin, it plays all loops once at the same time.

Thanks,
Dana

Re: [seq24-users] MIDI record question

[Dana O. <da...@ub...>]

On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 04:11 +0200, Federico wrote:
> da...@ub... wrote:
> > Yeah, that's what I did, but it's very painstakingly long to do this,
> > because I have to do it for each channel, for each pattern. So instead =
of
> > playing the 3-5 patterns I use for each song once, I have to play those
> > 3-5 patterns several (1-16, depending on how many instruments the song
> > uses) times.
> >=20
> > If we could record on multiple seq24 loops at the same time (which we
> > can), and we could set each loop to "listen" to a specific MIDI channel
>=20
> hmm... then 'dump to MIDI bus' option should be sticky (i.e.remain after
> you close loop window), and then user should see a record icon inside
> the loop on the main window, to indicate record is on for that track.
> otherwise forgetting a record-button on would result in damaging a
> sequence, hehe! =3D)

i can already record multiple loops at a time, so that really is a
non-issue. you can have more than one loop window open at a time, you
know.

the issue for me is not being able to specify a particular midi channel
to listen to instead of listening to every channel.

but it doesn't matter, i use rosegarden4 and re-save the smf0 file as
smf1 and then seq24 can import it with no problems.

dana

Re: [seq24-users] MIDI record question

[Federico <xa...@in...>]

da...@ub... wrote:
> Yeah, that's what I did, but it's very painstakingly long to do this,
> because I have to do it for each channel, for each pattern. So instead of
> playing the 3-5 patterns I use for each song once, I have to play those
> 3-5 patterns several (1-16, depending on how many instruments the song
> uses) times.
> 
> If we could record on multiple seq24 loops at the same time (which we
> can), and we could set each loop to "listen" to a specific MIDI channel

hmm... then 'dump to MIDI bus' option should be sticky (i.e.remain after
you close loop window), and then user should see a record icon inside
the loop on the main window, to indicate record is on for that track.
otherwise forgetting a record-button on would result in damaging a
sequence, hehe! =)

Re: [seq24-users] MIDI record question

[<da...@ub...>]

Thank you! I think I tried this before with Rosegarden or Rosegarden2 but
it didn't work, so I installed Rosegarden4 since it seems to be the one to
use, and it worked! It's not perfect (2 bars at the front) but hey, it is
much faster. :D

Thanks again.

Dana


>
> The only solution I came up with was to open these type of midi files in
> Rosegarden and export as a midi file. This then converts it to a format
> "1". I imagine most software sequencers would do the same seems to be
> the easiest I found so far.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:58:05AM -0400, da...@ub... wrote:
>
>> I want to dump my old sequences from my Yamaha RM1x sequencer into
>> seq24.
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Re: [seq24-users] MIDI record question

[rick <bs...@ta...>]

The only solution I came up with was to open these type of midi files in
Rosegarden and export as a midi file. This then converts it to a format
"1". I imagine most software sequencers would do the same seems to be
the easiest I found so far.


On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:58:05AM -0400, da...@ub... wrote:
 
> I want to dump my old sequences from my Yamaha RM1x sequencer into seq24.

Re: [seq24-users] MIDI record question

[<da...@ub...>]

Yeah, that's what I did, but it's very painstakingly long to do this,
because I have to do it for each channel, for each pattern. So instead of
playing the 3-5 patterns I use for each song once, I have to play those
3-5 patterns several (1-16, depending on how many instruments the song
uses) times.

If we could record on multiple seq24 loops at the same time (which we
can), and we could set each loop to "listen" to a specific MIDI channel
(1-16) as an option (global listening, as it is now, is good too, so it
could be 0-16, where 0 listens to all channels), then this would be
awesome. Maybe only I would see a benefit from this, I don't know.

Dana


> Have you some way to output just one channel at time from your yamaha
> RM1x?
> That way you could try to record the 16 tracks, one each time.
>
> Ivan
>
> da...@ub... escribió:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks to the documentation that I neglected in the past, as well as the
>> link from Ivan, I've quickly found that seq24 is much greater than I
>> thought, and I am in love.. :)
>>
>> So in the documentation and from poking around, I have not found how to
>> do
>> the following:
>>
>> I want to dump my old sequences from my Yamaha RM1x sequencer into
>> seq24.
>> There are a few ways to do it.
>>
>> 1) Save it as a MIDI file. I tried this, but it saves as a format 0, and
>> seq24 can't Import or Open it... It also says it's a single track, but
>> it
>> should have 16 tracks as far as I know.
>>
>> 2) Record it through my MIDI input on my sound card. I tried this, but
>> it
>> all goes into one seq24 loop.
>>
>> 3) Something I haven't thought of yet.
>>
>> I transferred one of my old songs by recording each channel
>> independantly,
>> for each section. So I recorded the three varying drum loops into three
>> loops in seq24, and manually aligned them. Then I recorded the three
>> varying bass lines into three other seq24 loops, and aligned them. And
>> so
>> on, for all of the channels I used in this song. That's great, but this
>> will take a really long time to record each individual instrument/MIDI
>> track into its own loop, one at a time, manually aligning them.
>>
>> Is there any way I can dump from my sequencer and record into seq24,
>> using
>> one loop per MIDI channel? My sequencer has 16 "tracks" which is one per
>> channel. But seq24 only has one MIDI input, which is fine, but the loops
>> either record or they don't; they currently can't specify what MIDI
>> channel of the input device to listen on. Well, this is what I assume
>> from
>> playing around with it and (actually reading) the documentation. Am I
>> wrong? And if not, has this been requested, and shot down, before? If
>> so,
>> I assume there is a technical reason for rejection, and I'd be
>> interested
>> to know what it is.
>>
>> If there is any way to do it, even with a command-line app to dump to a
>> file or something, I'd love to know because I want to migrate away from
>> hardware as quickly as possible, and retire this blue beast once and for
>> all.
>>
>> Dana
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
>> security?
>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
>> easier
>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
>> Geronimo
>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
>> _______________________________________________
>> seq24-users mailing list
>> seq...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
>>
>>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
> _______________________________________________
> seq24-users mailing list
> seq...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
>

Re: [seq24-users] workflow questions

[<da...@ub...>]

Those are some great patches! I hope they will be accepted into seq24's
main branch, especially the round-robin recording thing.

Dana


> Dana:
> Yes, you can distribute the guide modifid, unmodified and of course,
> saving copies is the best idea.
> If i have new updates i will anounce them on seq24-users.
> also i recommend you to try my patches. they have little "all day"
> improvements.
> http://www.desfonema.com.ar/index.php?page=software
>
> thanks.
> Ivan
>
> da...@ub... escribió:
>> Thanks for the link. Can I save it as a PDF and put it on my
>> UbuntuStudio.com site? I will link to your page directly, but I'd like
>> to
>> hold a PDF in case a dead link ever occurs.
>>
>> If I think of something to add to it, I'll let you know, but it looks
>> good.
>>
>> Dana
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.desfonema.com.ar/seq24guide/
>>>
>>> Incomplete but functional.
>>>
>>> If you have corrections and  please send me those so i can improve it
>>> faster.
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>
>
>

Re: [seq24-users] MIDI record question

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

Have you some way to output just one channel at time from your yamaha RM1x?
That way you could try to record the 16 tracks, one each time.

Ivan

da...@ub... escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to the documentation that I neglected in the past, as well as the
> link from Ivan, I've quickly found that seq24 is much greater than I
> thought, and I am in love.. :)
>
> So in the documentation and from poking around, I have not found how to do
> the following:
>
> I want to dump my old sequences from my Yamaha RM1x sequencer into seq24.
> There are a few ways to do it.
>
> 1) Save it as a MIDI file. I tried this, but it saves as a format 0, and
> seq24 can't Import or Open it... It also says it's a single track, but it
> should have 16 tracks as far as I know.
>
> 2) Record it through my MIDI input on my sound card. I tried this, but it
> all goes into one seq24 loop.
>
> 3) Something I haven't thought of yet.
>
> I transferred one of my old songs by recording each channel independantly,
> for each section. So I recorded the three varying drum loops into three
> loops in seq24, and manually aligned them. Then I recorded the three
> varying bass lines into three other seq24 loops, and aligned them. And so
> on, for all of the channels I used in this song. That's great, but this
> will take a really long time to record each individual instrument/MIDI
> track into its own loop, one at a time, manually aligning them.
>
> Is there any way I can dump from my sequencer and record into seq24, using
> one loop per MIDI channel? My sequencer has 16 "tracks" which is one per
> channel. But seq24 only has one MIDI input, which is fine, but the loops
> either record or they don't; they currently can't specify what MIDI
> channel of the input device to listen on. Well, this is what I assume from
> playing around with it and (actually reading) the documentation. Am I
> wrong? And if not, has this been requested, and shot down, before? If so,
> I assume there is a technical reason for rejection, and I'd be interested
> to know what it is.
>
> If there is any way to do it, even with a command-line app to dump to a
> file or something, I'd love to know because I want to migrate away from
> hardware as quickly as possible, and retire this blue beast once and for
> all.
>
> Dana
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
> _______________________________________________
> seq24-users mailing list
> seq...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
>
>   

Re: [seq24-users] MIDI record question

[Niels O. <nie...@we...>]

da...@ub... wrote:
> Is there any way I can dump from my sequencer and record into seq24, using
> one loop per MIDI channel? My sequencer has 16 "tracks" which is one per

What about loading the MIDI files from your sequencer into a "normal"
software sequenzer like Muse?

>From there you can possibly export your tracks separately or maybe store
this in a MIDI format seq24 can use.

This is just an idea. I'm not using sequencers. (Apart from seq24)

> channel. But seq24 only has one MIDI input, which is fine, but the loops
> either record or they don't; they currently can't specify what MIDI
> channel of the input device to listen on. Well, this is what I assume from
> playing around with it and (actually reading) the documentation. Am I
> wrong? And if not, has this been requested, and shot down, before? If so,
> I assume there is a technical reason for rejection, and I'd be interested
> to know what it is.

As far as I understand, seq24 listens on all channels from the
masterkeyboard/input and outputs it to the channel(s) being selected as
output in the loop window(s).

   Niels

[seq24-users] MIDI record question

[<da...@ub...>]

Hi all,

Thanks to the documentation that I neglected in the past, as well as the
link from Ivan, I've quickly found that seq24 is much greater than I
thought, and I am in love.. :)

So in the documentation and from poking around, I have not found how to do
the following:

I want to dump my old sequences from my Yamaha RM1x sequencer into seq24.
There are a few ways to do it.

1) Save it as a MIDI file. I tried this, but it saves as a format 0, and
seq24 can't Import or Open it... It also says it's a single track, but it
should have 16 tracks as far as I know.

2) Record it through my MIDI input on my sound card. I tried this, but it
all goes into one seq24 loop.

3) Something I haven't thought of yet.

I transferred one of my old songs by recording each channel independantly,
for each section. So I recorded the three varying drum loops into three
loops in seq24, and manually aligned them. Then I recorded the three
varying bass lines into three other seq24 loops, and aligned them. And so
on, for all of the channels I used in this song. That's great, but this
will take a really long time to record each individual instrument/MIDI
track into its own loop, one at a time, manually aligning them.

Is there any way I can dump from my sequencer and record into seq24, using
one loop per MIDI channel? My sequencer has 16 "tracks" which is one per
channel. But seq24 only has one MIDI input, which is fine, but the loops
either record or they don't; they currently can't specify what MIDI
channel of the input device to listen on. Well, this is what I assume from
playing around with it and (actually reading) the documentation. Am I
wrong? And if not, has this been requested, and shot down, before? If so,
I assume there is a technical reason for rejection, and I'd be interested
to know what it is.

If there is any way to do it, even with a command-line app to dump to a
file or something, I'd love to know because I want to migrate away from
hardware as quickly as possible, and retire this blue beast once and for
all.

Dana

Re: [seq24-users] workflow questions

[Ivan H. <ihe...@ki...>]

http://www.desfonema.com.ar/seq24guide/

Incomplete but functional.

If you have corrections and  please send me those so i can improve it 
faster.

Ivan

Dana Olson escribió:
> Is there any kind of document like a user guide or anything somewhere? I
> looked at the man page included in the Ubuntu package, but then when I
> saw at the bottom of the page, I am the author of the manpage... Forgot
> I did that. :P
>   

Re: [seq24-users] workflow questions

[Dana O. <da...@ub...>]

Thanks for the tips. I will have to look into Doxygen. I know some C++
stuff (I wrote http://icculus.org/battlepong not that I'm proud of it
because it's unfinished and sucks) and various other unfinished C++
projects, such as a fully animated Tic Tac Toe game that is
unfinished... I use a lot of SDL though, and not so much C++. I have a
feeling that seq24 is a lot of GTK and ALSA/JACK, neither of which I
have any experience with (aside from very basic Perl+GTK stuff).

I will search the archives for the docs link. It will be good to know
this, so I can recommend it to people on my site and also perhaps help
it along.

But at the same time, I wanna work on an album now. :D

Dana


On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 03:44 +0200, Elthariel wrote:
> Look at the seq24-users list archive, there is a project for writing=20
> such a starting guide. Otherwise you should consider reading the linux=20
> journal article about seq24 if it's not already done.
>=20
> (Your opinion on seq24 is the same than mine :p)
>=20
> PS : Consider using doxygen to help you understanding seq24 code.=20
> Depending on ur native language u should find very good free lessons on=20
> C++. Seq24 is not using heavy c++ features (except some used by the STL)
>=20
> Google is your friend, don't forget.
>=20
> Dana Olson wrote:
> > Yeah, that looks like it. Thanks. I'm an idiot. Why I looked through al=
l
> > the menus and preferences options and such, and not that button, I have
> > no idea.
> >
> > Is there any kind of document like a user guide or anything somewhere? =
I
> > looked at the man page included in the Ubuntu package, but then when I
> > saw at the bottom of the page, I am the author of the manpage... Forgot
> > I did that. :P
> >
> > I am strongly considering looking at the source code to see if I can A)
> > understand it, and B) write some features that I want and submit them a=
s
> > patches. But maybe writing documentation would be a better start for me=
,
> > so I don't end up trying to write stuff that already exists, and I just
> > don't know where it is... Is such a document already started? If not, I
> > may work on one as a part of my wiki project at UbuntuStudio.com, but i=
t
> > would be free for Rob or anyone to take and use if it is deemed of
> > acceptable quality.
> >
> > If I go with the feature patching route instead, it could take me years
> > to get into it and make anything worthwhile. I don't have confidence in
> > my abilities right now, even though I code Perl for my day job... But i=
f
> > there was ever a project worthy of my time that I would actually want t=
o
> > work on, it would be seq24. I prefer it in every way to Rosegarden, MuS=
E
> > and any others I've tried. It is the most important tool in a musician'=
s
> > arsenal, for my genre and way of writing music.
> >
> > Man, I ramble a lot... in short, thanks for answering my n00b question
> > so quickly, and I hope I can help in some manner in the future.
> >
> > Perhaps I'll undergo a project of importing/converting my old MIDI file=
s
> > from my RM1x into .s24 files...
> >
> > Dana
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 02:47 +0200, Elthariel wrote:
> >  =20
> >> You should find a button at the right bottom of the main window, it wi=
ll=20
> >> opens a window that will perferctly achieve what you want if i=20
> >> understood what you are wanting to do
> >>
> >> Dana Olson wrote:
> >>    =20
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> I really like seq24. It's the closest to my hardware background (rola=
nd
> >>> mc-505 and yamaha rm1x).
> >>>
> >>> There are a bunch of things i sent to rob before for the features
> >>> request list that i miss, but overall, it's awesome.
> >>>
> >>> So, here is my question... And if there is a doc somewhere that i
> >>> haven't found, please point me to it instead of answering my question=
.
> >>>
> >>> How do i go about playing my song with the patters in the order that =
i
> >>> want? Like, if i record a bunch of drum loops and bass loops and this
> >>> and that, then I want to play them back in a certain order to make a
> >>> song, can it be done, or do i have to be very very fast at clicking t=
he
> >>> buttons to un/mute the loops at the right times?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Dana
> >>>  =20
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
----
> >>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, secur=
ity?
> >>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your jo=
b easier
> >>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Ger=
onimo
> >>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&d=
at=3D121642
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> seq24-users mailing list
> >>> seq...@li...
> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
> >>>  =20
> >>>      =20
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, securi=
ty?
> >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job=
 easier
> >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Gero=
nimo
> >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&da=
t=3D121642
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> seq24-users mailing list
> >> seq...@li...
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
> >>    =20
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, securi=
ty?
> >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job=
 easier
> >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Gero=
nimo
> >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&da=
t=3D121642
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> seq24-users mailing list
> >> seq...@li...
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
> >>    =20
>=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job ea=
sier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim=
o
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=
=3D121642
> _______________________________________________
> seq24-users mailing list
> seq...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users

Re: [seq24-users] workflow questions

[Elthariel <elt...@fr...>]

Look at the seq24-users list archive, there is a project for writing 
such a starting guide. Otherwise you should consider reading the linux 
journal article about seq24 if it's not already done.

(Your opinion on seq24 is the same than mine :p)

PS : Consider using doxygen to help you understanding seq24 code. 
Depending on ur native language u should find very good free lessons on 
C++. Seq24 is not using heavy c++ features (except some used by the STL)

Google is your friend, don't forget.

Dana Olson wrote:
> Yeah, that looks like it. Thanks. I'm an idiot. Why I looked through all
> the menus and preferences options and such, and not that button, I have
> no idea.
>
> Is there any kind of document like a user guide or anything somewhere? I
> looked at the man page included in the Ubuntu package, but then when I
> saw at the bottom of the page, I am the author of the manpage... Forgot
> I did that. :P
>
> I am strongly considering looking at the source code to see if I can A)
> understand it, and B) write some features that I want and submit them as
> patches. But maybe writing documentation would be a better start for me,
> so I don't end up trying to write stuff that already exists, and I just
> don't know where it is... Is such a document already started? If not, I
> may work on one as a part of my wiki project at UbuntuStudio.com, but it
> would be free for Rob or anyone to take and use if it is deemed of
> acceptable quality.
>
> If I go with the feature patching route instead, it could take me years
> to get into it and make anything worthwhile. I don't have confidence in
> my abilities right now, even though I code Perl for my day job... But if
> there was ever a project worthy of my time that I would actually want to
> work on, it would be seq24. I prefer it in every way to Rosegarden, MuSE
> and any others I've tried. It is the most important tool in a musician's
> arsenal, for my genre and way of writing music.
>
> Man, I ramble a lot... in short, thanks for answering my n00b question
> so quickly, and I hope I can help in some manner in the future.
>
> Perhaps I'll undergo a project of importing/converting my old MIDI files
> from my RM1x into .s24 files...
>
> Dana
>
>
> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 02:47 +0200, Elthariel wrote:
>   
>> You should find a button at the right bottom of the main window, it will 
>> opens a window that will perferctly achieve what you want if i 
>> understood what you are wanting to do
>>
>> Dana Olson wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I really like seq24. It's the closest to my hardware background (roland
>>> mc-505 and yamaha rm1x).
>>>
>>> There are a bunch of things i sent to rob before for the features
>>> request list that i miss, but overall, it's awesome.
>>>
>>> So, here is my question... And if there is a doc somewhere that i
>>> haven't found, please point me to it instead of answering my question.
>>>
>>> How do i go about playing my song with the patters in the order that i
>>> want? Like, if i record a bunch of drum loops and bass loops and this
>>> and that, then I want to play them back in a certain order to make a
>>> song, can it be done, or do i have to be very very fast at clicking the
>>> buttons to un/mute the loops at the right times?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Dana
>>>   
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
>>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier
>>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
>>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> seq24-users mailing list
>>> seq...@li...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
>>>   
>>>       
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier
>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
>> _______________________________________________
>> seq24-users mailing list
>> seq...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
>>     
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier
>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> seq24-users mailing list
>> seq...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
>>     

Re: [seq24-users] workflow questions

[Dana O. <da...@ub...>]

Yeah, that looks like it. Thanks. I'm an idiot. Why I looked through all
the menus and preferences options and such, and not that button, I have
no idea.

Is there any kind of document like a user guide or anything somewhere? I
looked at the man page included in the Ubuntu package, but then when I
saw at the bottom of the page, I am the author of the manpage... Forgot
I did that. :P

I am strongly considering looking at the source code to see if I can A)
understand it, and B) write some features that I want and submit them as
patches. But maybe writing documentation would be a better start for me,
so I don't end up trying to write stuff that already exists, and I just
don't know where it is... Is such a document already started? If not, I
may work on one as a part of my wiki project at UbuntuStudio.com, but it
would be free for Rob or anyone to take and use if it is deemed of
acceptable quality.

If I go with the feature patching route instead, it could take me years
to get into it and make anything worthwhile. I don't have confidence in
my abilities right now, even though I code Perl for my day job... But if
there was ever a project worthy of my time that I would actually want to
work on, it would be seq24. I prefer it in every way to Rosegarden, MuSE
and any others I've tried. It is the most important tool in a musician's
arsenal, for my genre and way of writing music.

Man, I ramble a lot... in short, thanks for answering my n00b question
so quickly, and I hope I can help in some manner in the future.

Perhaps I'll undergo a project of importing/converting my old MIDI files
from my RM1x into .s24 files...

Dana


On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 02:47 +0200, Elthariel wrote:
> You should find a button at the right bottom of the main window, it will=20
> opens a window that will perferctly achieve what you want if i=20
> understood what you are wanting to do
>=20
> Dana Olson wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I really like seq24. It's the closest to my hardware background (roland
> > mc-505 and yamaha rm1x).
> >
> > There are a bunch of things i sent to rob before for the features
> > request list that i miss, but overall, it's awesome.
> >
> > So, here is my question... And if there is a doc somewhere that i
> > haven't found, please point me to it instead of answering my question.
> >
> > How do i go about playing my song with the patters in the order that i
> > want? Like, if i record a bunch of drum loops and bass loops and this
> > and that, then I want to play them back in a certain order to make a
> > song, can it be done, or do i have to be very very fast at clicking the
> > buttons to un/mute the loops at the right times?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Dana
> >  =20
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, securit=
y?
> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job =
easier
> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geron=
imo
> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=
=3D121642
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > seq24-users mailing list
> > seq...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users
> >  =20
>=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job ea=
sier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim=
o
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=
=3D121642
> _______________________________________________
> seq24-users mailing list
> seq...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-users

Re: [seq24-users] workflow questions

[Elthariel <elt...@fr...>]

You should find a button at the right bottom of the main window, it will 
opens a window that will perferctly achieve what you want if i 
understood what you are wanting to do

Dana Olson wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I really like seq24. It's the closest to my hardware background (roland
> mc-505 and yamaha rm1x).
>
> There are a bunch of things i sent to rob before for the features
> request list that i miss, but overall, it's awesome.
>
> So, here is my question... And if there is a doc somewhere that i
> haven't found, please point me to it instead of answering my question.
>
> How do i go about playing my song with the patters in the order that i
> want? Like, if i record a bunch of drum loops and bass loops and this
> and that, then I want to play them back in a certain order to make a
> song, can it be done, or do i have to be very very fast at clicking the
> buttons to un/mute the loops at the right times?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dana
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[seq24-users] workflow questions

[Dana O. <da...@ub...>]

Hi.

I really like seq24. It's the closest to my hardware background (roland
mc-505 and yamaha rm1x).

There are a bunch of things i sent to rob before for the features
request list that i miss, but overall, it's awesome.

So, here is my question... And if there is a doc somewhere that i
haven't found, please point me to it instead of answering my question.

How do i go about playing my song with the patters in the order that i
want? Like, if i record a bunch of drum loops and bass loops and this
and that, then I want to play them back in a certain order to make a
song, can it be done, or do i have to be very very fast at clicking the
buttons to un/mute the loops at the right times?

Thanks in advance.

Dana

Re: [seq24-users] Request for a 'seq24-dev' mailing-list

[Rob B. <rc...@fi...>]

developers may join here:

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/seq24-devel

cheers rob

On 8/28/2006, "Rob Buse" <rc...@fi...> wrote:

>
>I have put in a request for seq24-devel
>I'll post the info once its up and running
>cheers!
>rob
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Re: [seq24-users] Request for a 'seq24-dev' mailing-list

[Rob B. <rc...@fi...>]

I have put in a request for seq24-devel
I'll post the info once its up and running
cheers!
rob