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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Memory Issues?

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

using the std. Windows speaker mute/volume ctrl in the tray on all machines
   
  Windows 2000 OS
   
  don't have much experience with sound on these machines.. no headphones in my art lab. havent noticed anything much using speakers.  up til Tux I HAD thought they only beeped and blurped....
   :-D

Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
  On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 06:58:15AM -0800, henry taylor wrote:
> Interestingly I note that on SOME but not all the machines muting the speakers has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT AT ALL! 
> SOME 'muted' computers are just as noisey as ever -- TOP VOLUME even!

Err.. hrm. This sounds more like an OS problem (if you're muting via the
software sound controls), or a hardware problem (if you have MUTE buttons on
the speakers :) )

Tux Paint itself controls only its own volume, which should never be higher
than your system/speaker volume. I've never heard of this issue from
anyone else, either about Tux Paint specifically, or the libSDL libraries
it uses underneath the hood for sound/video. (At least, never seen it on
the libSDL mailing lists.)

Do other apps seem to ignore the MUTE? :^/

Thanks!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Memory Issues?

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 06:58:15AM -0800, henry taylor wrote:
>   Interestingly I note that on SOME but not all the machines muting the speakers has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT AT ALL! 
>   SOME 'muted' computers are just as noisey as ever  -- TOP VOLUME even!

Err.. hrm.  This sounds more like an OS problem (if you're muting via the
software sound controls), or a hardware problem (if you have MUTE buttons on
the speakers :) )

Tux Paint itself controls only its own volume, which should never be higher
than your system/speaker volume.  I've never heard of this issue from
anyone else, either about Tux Paint specifically, or the libSDL libraries
it uses underneath the hood for sound/video.  (At least, never seen it on
the libSDL mailing lists.)

Do other apps seem to ignore the MUTE? :^/

Thanks!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint won't run on (my) Leopard

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 02:58:28PM -0800, Nunibad wrote:
> Tried again with an
> admin account, and it installed fine. Then back to the standard account, and
> it installed there too.
> 
> So probably the ReadMe should say something about all that...

Better yet, we should figure out how to make it work w/o needing admin
privileges! :)

I'll make sure Martin F., who ports Tux Paint to OS X for us, sees this
thread.  Thanks, and glad you figured out a work-around!  I'll post it on
the "Known Issues" page, and send a note to some OS X users who recently
reported problems, in case your info helps them.

Thanks again!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint won't run on (my) Leopard

[Nunibad <car...@cs...>]

Caroline Ford-2 wrote:
> 
> Which version are you using - one for MacOS or are you running linux on
> your Mac? If you are running linux which version?
> 

Hi Caroline --- It's the OSX version. But I did get it running (see second
post). I suspect a small part of the initial setup requires admin privileges
(which it didn't have in the account I began with). Tried again with an
admin account, and it installed fine. Then back to the standard account, and
it installed there too.

So probably the ReadMe should say something about all that...

Thanks!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint won't run on (my) Leopard

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 19:34 -0800, Nunibad wrote:
> Just downloaded 0.9.18 and copied to Applications; but it won't run.
> Specifically, from a non-admin account,
> 
> (1) If just double-clicked, a black flash screen just flicks for a fraction
> of a second.
> (2) If run with "pseudo" (an app that effectively sudo's what's dropped on
> it), the screen lasts a bit longer (maybe one second?) and then a crash
> report seems to be sent.
> 
> I saw something about fonts.config in the log; but I also saw (somewhere)
> that the current version should fix that for itself.
> 
> Any help?
> 
> Carroll
> 
> [ 10.5.1 MacBook ]
Hi! Sorry you are having problems!

Which version are you using - one for MacOS or are you running linux on
your Mac? If you are running linux which version?

Thanks
Caroline

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint won't run on (my) Leopard

[Nunibad <car...@cs...>]

Sorry --- replying to myself!

I moved over to an admin account and ran it there; worked fine. Then moved
back to the original account, and it worked fine there too.

Could it be that the font.config install that's performed automatically is
on a "whole machine" basis, and requires admin status to run? Probably a
good idea (security wise) --- but also a note to that effect would be handy!

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[Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint won't run on (my) Leopard

[Nunibad <car...@cs...>]

Just downloaded 0.9.18 and copied to Applications; but it won't run.
Specifically, from a non-admin account,

(1) If just double-clicked, a black flash screen just flicks for a fraction
of a second.
(2) If run with "pseudo" (an app that effectively sudo's what's dropped on
it), the screen lasts a bit longer (maybe one second?) and then a crash
report seems to be sent.

I saw something about fonts.config in the log; but I also saw (somewhere)
that the current version should fix that for itself.

Any help?

Carroll

[ 10.5.1 MacBook ]
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Memory Issues?

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

Ok. 
   
  While I await my tech's availability to download and reinstall tux I have sound re-enabled and the speakers muted...
   
  Interestingly I note that on SOME but not all the machines muting the speakers has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT AT ALL! 
   
  SOME 'muted' computers are just as noisey as ever  -- TOP VOLUME even!
   
  Others are silent as the grave...
   
  I suspect that this has already been reported elsewhere of course
   
  now where are my ear-plugs?  VBG
   
  cheers!
   -henry
  

Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
  
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:58:15PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote:
> This was a bug that was fixed before Christmas and is caused by running
> with the sound disabled.
> 
> 0.9.19CVS isn't packaged for windows yet. 0.9.18 has the bug.

Actually, there is now a build from December 31st, but it's just an EXE
you'd drop into your C:\Program Files\TuxPaint\, or wherever Tux Paint is
installed. It's also available from:

http://www.tuxpaint.org/docs/known_issues/

under the "Tux Paint launches but then quits (but used to run)" item for
Windows issues.

It _should_ also address this crash-when-sound-is-off issue for those two
magic tools. I should update the Known Issues page to point that out.
Sorry! :)

Thx,

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Memory Issues?

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:58:15PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote:
> This was a bug that was fixed before Christmas and is caused by running
> with the sound disabled.
> 
> 0.9.19CVS isn't packaged for windows yet. 0.9.18 has the bug.

Actually, there is now a build from December 31st, but it's just an EXE
you'd drop into your C:\Program Files\TuxPaint\, or wherever Tux Paint is
installed.  It's also available from:
 
  http://www.tuxpaint.org/docs/known_issues/

under the "Tux Paint launches but then quits (but used to run)" item for
Windows issues.

It _should_ also address this crash-when-sound-is-off issue for those two
magic tools.  I should update the Known Issues page to point that out.
Sorry! :)

Thx,

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Memory Issues?

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

    Ahhh...
   
   
  explains a LOT!  Heh heh heh
   
  I didn't notice it YESTERDAY.... when the room was a cacophony and sound was NOT disabled....
   
  Guess what the first thing I did THIS MORNING WAS?
   
  SIGH...
   
   
  First thing to do TOMORROW AM I guess is reenable sound HUH?
   
  I Love the staccato of multiple Lightening Shots all over the classroom in the morning!!! Followed by Taps.... ;-)
   
   
   
  

Caroline Ford <car...@go...> wrote:
  This was a bug that was fixed before Christmas and is caused by running
with the sound disabled.

0.9.19CVS isn't packaged for windows yet. 0.9.18 has the bug.

http://www.tuxpaint.org/docs/known_issues/

Tux Paint crashes with 'Kaleidoscope' and 'Shift' Magic tools
This is a known bug in Tux Paint 0.9.18, when sound effects are
disabled. Either re-enable sound effects or, alternatively,
remove these two magic tools.

Windows: Remove the files 'shift.dll' and 'kalidescope.dll' from the
'plugins' folder in your Tux Paint installation (e.g., under 'C:
\Program Files\TuxPaint\')

Sorry about this - hopefully the new windows version will be packaged
soon :)

Caroline
> 
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Memory Issues?

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 13:45 -0800, henry taylor wrote:
>  
>  
> I'm running windows version 9.18 11-22 on Dell GX1s and Compaq DeskPro
> ENs Just came back from break and my Tech had kindly installed the new
> upgrade...
>  
> I'm finding that on about half my computers >but not all<  that the
> Kaleidoscope tool is crashing the program at various points... such as
> the point the finger lifts from the mouse or when the line meets
> itself.
>  
> It's happening on both older and newer machines and I don't know the
> memory specs... these are hand-me-downs so I wouldn't be surprised if
> there was a little variance tho the Compaqs SHOULD be lots better than
> the old Dells...
>  
> any ideas?
>  
> Henry Taylor
> Tucson
>  
This was a bug that was fixed before Christmas and is caused by running
with the sound disabled.

0.9.19CVS isn't packaged for windows yet. 0.9.18 has the bug.

http://www.tuxpaint.org/docs/known_issues/

Tux Paint crashes with 'Kaleidoscope' and 'Shift' Magic tools
        This is a known bug in Tux Paint 0.9.18, when sound effects are
        disabled. Either re-enable sound effects or, alternatively,
        remove these two magic tools.
        
Windows: Remove the files 'shift.dll' and 'kalidescope.dll' from the
'plugins' folder in your Tux Paint installation (e.g., under 'C:
\Program Files\TuxPaint\')
        
Sorry about this - hopefully the new windows version will be packaged
soon :)

Caroline
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________

[Tuxpaint-users] Memory Issues?

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

 
   
  I'm running windows version 9.18 11-22 on Dell GX1s and Compaq DeskPro ENs Just came back from break and my Tech had kindly installed the new upgrade...
   
  I'm finding that on about half my computers >but not all<  that the Kaleidoscope tool is crashing the program at various points... such as the point the finger lifts from the mouse or when the line meets itself.
   
  It's happening on both older and newer machines and I don't know the memory specs... these are hand-me-downs so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little variance tho the Compaqs SHOULD be lots better than the old Dells...
   
  any ideas?
   
  Henry Taylor
  Tucson
   

       
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[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.18 for Mac OS X updated!

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

We've tested it on, so far as I can tell:

  PowerPC 10.3
  Intel 10.4
  PowerPC 10.4
  Intel 10.5

Martin feels confident it should work on either platform, on 10.3 and up,
so we've just posted it.

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/macosx/

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] saving as png

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 07:21:09PM -0800, henry taylor wrote:
> I was wondering about png settings. naming conventions etc.
>    
>   If I want to open a png from another program to edit in Tux what I have to do to it?
>    
>   size?
>   name?
>   formatting?

Hi Henry.  Tux Paint's documentation covers all of this.

I've not had time to post the latest version's docs on the website,
but you should already have them on the system onto which you installed
Tux Paint.  Additionally, you can read the absolute latest (while we're
developing it) online here:

  http://tuxpaint.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/tuxpaint/tuxpaint/docs/html/README.html

In fact, THAT version of the document (which will be part of the next
release) is quite a bit more accurate and up-to-date regarding this
very topic.


Good luck!

PS - It's the section entitled "Loading Other Pictures into Tux Paint",
neasr the end of the document.

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] saving as png

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

I was wondering about png settings. naming conventions etc.
   
  If I want to open a png from another program to edit in Tux what I have to do to it?
   
  size?
  name?
  formatting?
   

       
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[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint "Magic" Tool Plug-in API presentation slides

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Last night I did a talk on Tux Paint's new "Magic" tool plug-in API
at the Peninsula Linux User Group in Redwood City, California.

My presentation slides are now online, in both the original
OpenOffice.org Impress ".odp" format, as well as in Adobe ".pdf" format:

  http://tuxpaint.org/presentations/tuxpaint-magic-api.odp
  http://tuxpaint.org/presentations/tuxpaint-magic-api.pdf

Enjoy!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] saving as jpg

[P N. <pna...@ya...>]

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec092302.html

Hi Leialoha,
Not sure what version of iPhoto you're using, but according to the link above, you can drop a folder full of PNG images onto the iPhoto "Organize" window, and iPhoto will import all of them and store them as PNG files. The link was posted in 2002, so the information might not apply, but it's worth a try. Let us know what happens.
--Peter

Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:18:36AM -1000, Leialoha_Kelekolio/KANOELANI/HI...@no... wrote:
> It's in iPhoto.  There's an option to drop photos into a book format.  Our 
> district superintendant  wants us to complete at least one book by May so 
> I'm trying to figure out the logistics right now.

That reminds me, I really have know idea what it would _mean_ to 
'integrate with iLife', and don't have a development Mac to work on
(nor really much time, even if I did), but it's one of those things that
are on the roadmap for Tux Paint.  Obviously, don't hold your breath. :)

Thx and good luck!  I'd love to hear how it went!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] saving as jpg

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:18:36AM -1000, Leialoha_Kelekolio/KANOELANI/HI...@no... wrote:
> It's in iPhoto.  There's an option to drop photos into a book format.  Our 
> district superintendant  wants us to complete at least one book by May so 
> I'm trying to figure out the logistics right now.

That reminds me, I really have know idea what it would _mean_ to 
'integrate with iLife', and don't have a development Mac to work on
(nor really much time, even if I did), but it's one of those things that
are on the roadmap for Tux Paint.  Obviously, don't hold your breath. :)

Thx and good luck!  I'd love to hear how it went!

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] saving as jpg

[Leialoha_Kelekolio/KANOELANI/<HI...@no...>]

It's in iPhoto.  There's an option to drop photos into a book format.  Our 
district superintendant  wants us to complete at least one book by May so 
I'm trying to figure out the logistics right now.

Leialoha



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Hi Leialoha  :-)
What application are you using to make your book?
--Peter

Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:31:20PM -1000, 
Leialoha_Kelekolio/KANOELANI/HI...@no... wrote:
> Is there a way to save as jpg so that it can be imported to other 
> applications? I really wanted to use it to illustrate a book we are 
> working on.

Hi Leialoha! You can use any tool that understands both PNG and JPEG
formats (practically any graphcis tool, these days) if you really wanted
to convert the images. For printed books, though, I'd stick to using the
original PNG file, since JPEGs introduce some 'artifacts' that can make
pictures look bad. Especially if you take something like a picture drawn
in Tux Paint and try to increase its size for printing at 300dpi or more,
at a reasonable physical size on the page.
( See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact )

In any case, you can find Tux Paint's saved pictures on your hard drive,
in PNG format, fairly easily. This page explains where, for Linux, Windows
and Mac OS X, assuming you haven't reconfigured Tux Paint to save them
elsewhere. (In which case, you should already _know_ where they are! ;^) )

http://www.tuxpaint.org/gallery/submit/

Good luck, and have fun making the book!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] saving as jpg

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Hi Leialoha  :-)
What application are you using to make your book?
--Peter

Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:31:20PM -1000, Leialoha_Kelekolio/KANOELANI/HI...@no... wrote:
> Is there a way to save as jpg so that it can be imported to other 
> applications?  I really wanted to use it to illustrate a book we are 
> working on.

Hi Leialoha!  You can use any tool that understands both PNG and JPEG
formats (practically any graphcis tool, these days) if you really wanted
to convert the images.  For printed books, though, I'd stick to using the
original PNG file, since JPEGs introduce some 'artifacts' that can make
pictures look bad.  Especially if you take something like a picture drawn
in Tux Paint and try to increase its size for printing at 300dpi or more,
at a reasonable physical size on the page.
( See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact )

In any case, you can find Tux Paint's saved pictures on your hard drive,
in PNG format, fairly easily.  This page explains where, for Linux, Windows
and Mac OS X, assuming you haven't reconfigured Tux Paint to save them
elsewhere.  (In which case, you should already _know_ where they are! ;^) )

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/gallery/submit/

Good luck, and have fun making the book!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] saving as jpg

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:31:20PM -1000, Leialoha_Kelekolio/KANOELANI/HI...@no... wrote:
> Is there a way to save as jpg so that it can be imported to other 
> applications?  I really wanted to use it to illustrate a book we are 
> working on.

Hi Leialoha!  You can use any tool that understands both PNG and JPEG
formats (practically any graphcis tool, these days) if you really wanted
to convert the images.  For printed books, though, I'd stick to using the
original PNG file, since JPEGs introduce some 'artifacts' that can make
pictures look bad.  Especially if you take something like a picture drawn
in Tux Paint and try to increase its size for printing at 300dpi or more,
at a reasonable physical size on the page.
( See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact )

In any case, you can find Tux Paint's saved pictures on your hard drive,
in PNG format, fairly easily.  This page explains where, for Linux, Windows
and Mac OS X, assuming you haven't reconfigured Tux Paint to save them
elsewhere.  (In which case, you should already _know_ where they are! ;^) )

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/gallery/submit/

Good luck, and have fun making the book!

-- 
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[Tuxpaint-users] saving as jpg

[Leialoha_Kelekolio/KANOELANI/<HI...@no...>]

Is there a way to save as jpg so that it can be imported to other 
applications?  I really wanted to use it to illustrate a book we are 
working on.

Thanks,
Leialoha Kelekolio

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] art contest in Germany that will utilize Tux Paint

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

I was curious too...

Malc Dow <ma...@go...> wrote:  (e.g., I recently learned
> of an art contest in Germany that will utilize Tux Paint, and am waiting
> to hear whether I can post the details online), do let me know so I can
> post it to that page.
>

Did anyone find out anything about this? I looked around but...

Malc

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] art contest in Germany that will utilize Tux Paint

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:33:27PM +0100, Malc Dow wrote:
> 
> Did anyone find out anything about this? I looked around but...

I'm not sure it has actually been planned yet.  The original email I got was:

  Hello this is [...] from Hannover in Germany. I want to make a
  Painting competition for children. I need your Tux Paint programm for this.
  [...]

I responded to her, but have not heard back yet.

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[Tuxpaint-users] art contest in Germany that will utilize Tux Paint

[Malc D. <ma...@go...>]

 (e.g., I recently learned
> of an art contest in Germany that will utilize Tux Paint, and am waiting
> to hear whether I can post the details online), do let me know so I can
> post it to that page.
>

Did anyone find out anything about this? I looked around but...

Malc