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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] "things you didn't know about Tux Paint"

[Joe D. <joe...@ya...>]

Mayby something like

1) You can laugh for minutes with your child, doing all kind of funny pictures.

--- Den fre 5/6/09 skrev Gloria Taylor Weinberg <glo...@be...>:

> Fra: Gloria Taylor Weinberg <glo...@be...>
> Emne: Re: [Tuxpaint-users] "things you didn't know about Tux Paint"
> Til: "Discussion list for parents and teachers using Tux Paint" <tux...@li...>
> Dato: fredag 5. juni 2009 15.07
> 1) It's not just for children.
> 2) It's capable of producing quite sophisticated works of
> art. (RE: My  
> "Fire by the Lake" painting.)
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> 
> >
> > I just saw a headline on my Google News homepage
> entitled
> > "5 things you didn't know about the Palm Pre" (Palm's
> new handheld),
> > and I thought it might be fun to think of some 'things
> people might  
> > not know'
> > about Tux Paint.
> >
> > What do you all think?  Got any ideas?
> >
> > (Cross-posting to both tuxpaint-users and
> -devel.  Don't feel like  
> > it's
> > necessary to reply to both, I'll collect all the
> responses and pick  
> > ones
> > I like and post them back to both lists.  I might
> put together a  
> > kind of
> > 'news release' about it. ;^) )
> >
> > -- 
> > -bill!
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] "things you didn't know about Tux Paint"

[Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...>]

1) It's not just for children.
2) It's capable of producing quite sophisticated works of art. (RE: My  
"Fire by the Lake" painting.)


On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Bill Kendrick wrote:

>
> I just saw a headline on my Google News homepage entitled
> "5 things you didn't know about the Palm Pre" (Palm's new handheld),
> and I thought it might be fun to think of some 'things people might  
> not know'
> about Tux Paint.
>
> What do you all think?  Got any ideas?
>
> (Cross-posting to both tuxpaint-users and -devel.  Don't feel like  
> it's
> necessary to reply to both, I'll collect all the responses and pick  
> ones
> I like and post them back to both lists.  I might put together a  
> kind of
> 'news release' about it. ;^) )
>
> -- 
> -bill!
> Sent from my computer
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises
> looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the  
> latest
> innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and
> enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization.
> Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get
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[Tuxpaint-users] "things you didn't know about Tux Paint"

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

I just saw a headline on my Google News homepage entitled
"5 things you didn't know about the Palm Pre" (Palm's new handheld),
and I thought it might be fun to think of some 'things people might not know'
about Tux Paint.

What do you all think?  Got any ideas?

(Cross-posting to both tuxpaint-users and -devel.  Don't feel like it's
necessary to reply to both, I'll collect all the responses and pick ones
I like and post them back to both lists.  I might put together a kind of
'news release' about it. ;^) )

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] [Tuxmath-devel] Tux4Kids at OSCON?

[B. L. <che...@gm...>]

The west coast gets to have all the fun!

>> There's still space, but we'd need to pay for power, or borrow some from
>> O'Reilly's booth.  (i.e., when laptop gets low, run off to charge it.)
>>
>> Or use 'green power' (solar, wind-up, whatver)

A solar laptop would be wonderful, but I'd imagine you'd pay a much
higher premium than for grid.

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] [Tuxmath-devel] Tux4Kids at OSCON?

[David B. <dav...@gm...>]

Hi Bill,

Afraid I'm too far away to make it, although I would love to be there.

David

On 6/3/09, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:44:59PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
>> The other idea is, to bring this on-topic, to put together a Tux4Kids
>> booth.
>
> There's still space, but we'd need to pay for power, or borrow some from
> O'Reilly's booth.  (i.e., when laptop gets low, run off to charge it.)
>
> Or use 'green power' (solar, wind-up, whatver)
>
> -bill!
>
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Tux4Kids at OSCON?

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:44:59PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> The other idea is, to bring this on-topic, to put together a Tux4Kids booth.

There's still space, but we'd need to pay for power, or borrow some from
O'Reilly's booth.  (i.e., when laptop gets low, run off to charge it.)

Or use 'green power' (solar, wind-up, whatver)

-bill!

[Tuxpaint-users] Tux4Kids at OSCON?

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

O'Reilly's Open Source Convention (OSCON) will be in the San Francisco
Bay Area this year (previously it had been in Portland, Oregon).

This is close enough for me to attend, so I'm seeing if it's possible to
get either a booth for my Linux User Group, or a multi-LUG booth put together.
So far the response has been underwhelming.

The other idea is, to bring this on-topic, to put together a Tux4Kids booth.

Are there folks in/near the bay area who'd like to go to OSCON and/or the
"Community Leadership Summit" that takes place the weekend prior?

  Community Leadership Summit
  July 18-19
  http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/

  OSCON
  July 20-24
  http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009

Let me know if you can lend a hand.  (I'd appreciate not just warm bodies
to help staff the booth, but I'd love help actually organizing it, since
I'm pretty low on spare time lately.)

Thanks!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...>]

All the rest of those who haven't a clue what's going on with this  
give you many thanks ... Gloria ;)

On Jun 3, 2009, at 7:26 AM, Bill Kendrick wrote:

>
> I've moved this discussion to tuxpaint-devel, and am Cc'ing Franklin,
> since we're not at the point of trying to debug the code to get things
> working. :)
>
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:31:40AM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a.  
> Franklin) wrote:
> <snip>
>> OK, I updated a new zh_TW in
>>
>> http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/zh_TW.po
>>
>> I just updated qx/QX to a Chinese sentence and uncommon punctuation  
>> to our
>> full-type punctuation..
>>
>> Please see if it was helpful.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Franklin
>
> The short answer is:  It did not, but we're looking into the code to  
> see
> why, and hopefully can get it working. :)
>
> -bill!
>
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

I've moved this discussion to tuxpaint-devel, and am Cc'ing Franklin,
since we're not at the point of trying to debug the code to get things
working. :)

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:31:40AM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) wrote:
<snip>
> OK, I updated a new zh_TW in
> 
> http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/zh_TW.po
> 
> I just updated qx/QX to a Chinese sentence and uncommon punctuation to our 
> full-type punctuation..
> 
> Please see if it was helpful.
> 
> Thanks,
> Franklin

The short answer is:  It did not, but we're looking into the code to see
why, and hopefully can get it working. :)

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Frank W. (a.k.a. Franklin) <fra...@go...>]

Bill Kendrick 在 2009 年 06 月 03 日 Wednesday 08:32:44 時寫道：
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:16:29AM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) 
wrote:
> > That's what confused me.  QX and qx should be Traditional Chinese
> > characters, but what characters should we fill?  Any Chinese character,
> > or still QX but of what we said "full type" (Not ASCII "QX", but
> > multi-byte characters, just that still QX)?  For zh_TW users, we used
> > ASCII characters as well as full-type characters.  I still cannot see how
> > you "score" if we fill another full-type characters instead of full-type
> > QX.
>
> In the case of "QX" and "qx" 'translations', they must successfully blit
> for us to include the font _at all_.  Well, more precisely, either
> "QX" and "qx" _OR_ "QY" and "qy".
>
> So in the case of Traditional Chinese, "QX" and "qx" should be translated
> into 'something in Traditional Chinese.'  And since you can use ASCII as
> well, "QY" and "qy" can simply be 'translated' to the ASCII characters "QY"
> and "qy". (Or not translated at all, but in that case, the translation
> looks incomplete.)
>
> As for which Traditional Chinese characters should be entered as the
> 'translation' of "QX" and "qy", I'm not entirely sure.  Enough to make it
> distinct from other fonts that might include _some_ Traditional Chinese
> characters.  (Simplified Chinese?  Maybe even Japanese?  I'm not clear
> the relationships, esp. when it comes to how they are mapped in Unicode :)
> )
>
> > Almost the same, only a little different.  However, we have the same
> > problem. In Traditional Chinese characters (both BIG5 and UTF8), we have
> > "half-type" (ASCII) and "full-type" (multi-byte) characters for the same
> > symbols (for example, comma in ASCII is ",", and in full-type is "???")
> >
> > We may need further informations for scoring zh_TW fonts.
>
> Which is the more common way of entering punctuation?  Remember that in
> these cases, we're only improving the score of a font, note deciding
> whether or not it should be removed.
>
> If ASCII "," is more often used, then the zh_TW 'full-type' could be
> placed in the 'uncommon punctuation', perhaps...

Well, it's difficult to say which one is more common to use.  I used full-type 
punctuation when type a Chinese article, but not everyone did this way...

> Thanks!  (And remember that _I'm_ still trying to understand how all this
> is supposed to work, since I didn't write it! :^) )

OK, I updated a new zh_TW in

http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/zh_TW.po

I just updated qx/QX to a Chinese sentence and uncommon punctuation to our 
full-type punctuation..

Please see if it was helpful.

Thanks,
Franklin

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:16:29AM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) wrote:
> That's what confused me.  QX and qx should be Traditional Chinese characters,
> but what characters should we fill?  Any Chinese character, or still QX but
> of what we said "full type" (Not ASCII "QX", but multi-byte characters,
> just that still QX)?  For zh_TW users, we used ASCII characters as well as
> full-type characters.  I still cannot see how you "score" if we fill another
> full-type characters instead of full-type QX.

In the case of "QX" and "qx" 'translations', they must successfully blit
for us to include the font _at all_.  Well, more precisely, either
"QX" and "qx" _OR_ "QY" and "qy".

So in the case of Traditional Chinese, "QX" and "qx" should be translated
into 'something in Traditional Chinese.'  And since you can use ASCII as well,
"QY" and "qy" can simply be 'translated' to the ASCII characters "QY" and "qy".
(Or not translated at all, but in that case, the translation looks incomplete.)

As for which Traditional Chinese characters should be entered as the
'translation' of "QX" and "qy", I'm not entirely sure.  Enough to make it
distinct from other fonts that might include _some_ Traditional Chinese
characters.  (Simplified Chinese?  Maybe even Japanese?  I'm not clear
the relationships, esp. when it comes to how they are mapped in Unicode :) )


> Almost the same, only a little different.  However, we have the same problem.
> In Traditional Chinese characters (both BIG5 and UTF8), we have "half-type" 
> (ASCII) and "full-type" (multi-byte) characters for the same symbols (for 
> example, comma in ASCII is ",", and in full-type is "???")
> 
> We may need further informations for scoring zh_TW fonts.

Which is the more common way of entering punctuation?  Remember that in
these cases, we're only improving the score of a font, note deciding
whether or not it should be removed.

If ASCII "," is more often used, then the zh_TW 'full-type' could be
placed in the 'uncommon punctuation', perhaps...


Thanks!  (And remember that _I'm_ still trying to understand how all this
is supposed to work, since I didn't write it! :^) )

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Frank W. (a.k.a. Franklin) <fra...@go...>]

Bill Kendrick 在 2009 年 06 月 03 日 Wednesday 04:46:49 時寫道：
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 06:14:11PM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) 
wrote:
> > I examined the zh_TW.po.  It was updated a few days ago, and was already
> > 100% translated.  I saw that qx/QX/qy/QY/Oo/uncommon/common punc/digits
> > were all translated.  That means in zh_TW fonts most of the ASCII symbols
> > were supported.  Does this mean to be "utilized" for the scoring system?
>
> It seems the translator didn't understand and/or ignored the font scoring
> strings.  Many other translators have as well, which is why I've brough
> thte subject up.  We should try to make these scoring strings useful. :)
>
> > Does this
> > mean that in the new version, zh_TW fonts will be "bubbled up" in text
> > area? If not, what's wrong with current translation?
>
> The strings, in many cases, should not be translated to the original
> input string.  (i.e., "QX" and "qx" should be Traditional Chinese
> characters, although "QY" and "qy" should remain, for users who wish to
> type ASCII characters, such for as for typing in English.)

That's what confused me.  QX and qx should be Traditional Chinese characters, 
but what characters should we fill?  Any Chinese character, or still QX but of 
what we said "full type" (Not ASCII "QX", but multi-byte characters, just that 
still QX)?  For zh_TW users, we used ASCII characters as well as full-type 
characters.  I still cannot see how you "score" if we fill another full-type 
characters instead of full-type QX.

> I'm not sure what characters are used for punctuation in Traditional
> Chinese, but assuming they are not (_completely_) the same as in English,
> then those strings should be translated, as well.

Almost the same, only a little different.  However, we have the same problem.  
In Traditional Chinese characters (both BIG5 and UTF8), we have "half-type" 
(ASCII) and "full-type" (multi-byte) characters for the same symbols (for 
example, comma in ASCII is ",", and in full-type is "，")  

We may need further informations for scoring zh_TW fonts.

Thanks,
Franklin

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Text and Stamps

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Cc'ing back tuxpaint-users too.

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:18:04PM -0700, Terese Scott wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> Thanks for looking into this.
> 
> I've attached files for text and stamps.

So I see some 'non-printable characters' at the beginning of the text file.
This is, I believe, some stuff Notepad on Windows places at the beginning
of a file when it's encoded as UTF-8.

However, that wasn't the problem.  It seems Tux Paint doesn't fully
recognize the text in a .txt file if it doesn't end with an End-of-Line
character.

I'll see if I can fix the forthcoming version so that it's more forgiving,
but in the meantime, I think all you'll need to do is go in and hit [Enter]
at the end of the line.

Let me know if that helps!


-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 06:14:11PM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) wrote:
> I examined the zh_TW.po.  It was updated a few days ago, and was already 100%
> translated.  I saw that qx/QX/qy/QY/Oo/uncommon/common punc/digits were all 
> translated.  That means in zh_TW fonts most of the ASCII symbols were 
> supported.  Does this mean to be "utilized" for the scoring system?

It seems the translator didn't understand and/or ignored the font scoring
strings.  Many other translators have as well, which is why I've brough
thte subject up.  We should try to make these scoring strings useful. :)


> Does this 
> mean that in the new version, zh_TW fonts will be "bubbled up" in text area? 
> If not, what's wrong with current translation?

The strings, in many cases, should not be translated to the original
input string.  (i.e., "QX" and "qx" should be Traditional Chinese characters,
although "QY" and "qy" should remain, for users who wish to type ASCII
characters, such for as for typing in English.)

I'm not sure what characters are used for punctuation in Traditional Chinese,
but assuming they are not (_completely_) the same as in English, then those
strings should be translated, as well.

-bill!
Cc'ing Song Huang, who was the last translator. :)

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Frank W. (a.k.a. Franklin) <fra...@go...>]

Hi,

Thanks for your detail explanation.   I have some more questions about your 
font scoring mechanism.

I examined the zh_TW.po.  It was updated a few days ago, and was already 100% 
translated.  I saw that qx/QX/qy/QY/Oo/uncommon/common punc/digits were all 
translated.  That means in zh_TW fonts most of the ASCII symbols were 
supported.  Does this mean to be "utilized" for the scoring system?  Does this 
mean that in the new version, zh_TW fonts will be "bubbled up" in text area?  
If not, what's wrong with current translation?


Thanks,
Franklin

Bill Kendrick 在 2009 年 06 月 02 日 Tuesday 08:30:06 時寫道：
> Now this is where our 'font scoring' mechanism comes in.  We provide a
> way for our translators to create strings that help us sort the fonts
> in the "Text" tool, so that the most useful ones 'bubble up' to the top
> of the list.
>
> When you're using Tux Paint in Japanese, the "fonts/locale/ja.ttf" font
> that we loaded should appear first.  Any other fonts you have on your
> system that you've told Tux Paint to find (e.g., via the "Load System
> Fonts" option), or installed into Tux Paint directly, will likewise be
> sorted based on how well they support Japanese.
>
> Unfortunately, the mechanism we have has been underutilized, but since
> your original email to this list I've posted to the mailing list
> for Tux Paint internationalization ("tuxpaint-i18n") asking translators
> to take a look at these strings and update them.  I included improved
> instructions and examples of how it works.
>
> I've already received an update to Tux Paint's Ukrainian translation that
> should help score fonts that support Ukrainian symbols.  I see that
> the Traditional Chinese translation is NOT utilizing this scoring system
> at the moment.  If you feel like helping, you can take a look at the
> latest translation file here:
>
>   ftp://ftp.billsgames.com/unix/x/tuxpaint/source/po/zh_TW.po
>
> Learn how to help us edit the translation files here:
>
>   http://tuxpaint.org/help/
> and here:
>   http://tuxpaint.org/help/po/
>
> And read the post about the scoring system here:
>
>  
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20090601171635.GC1
>41...@so...&forum_name=tuxpaint-i18n
>
>
> So, once all this is done and perfected (if ever ;^) ), people running
> Tux Paint in a particular locale should have, by default, a suitable
> font chosen when they first launch Tux Paint and use the "Text" tool.
>
>
> WHEW!  Long-winded response, sorry! :)  I hope this made sense!

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:53:46AM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) wrote:
> > Additionally, I've just updated it so that (in the next version), the only
> > locale-specific font that is presented in the Text tool is the one meant
> > for the locale Tux Paint is running in.  (For a long time, we've been
> > showing the Tibetan font in the Text tool's font selector, but it contains
> > ONLY Tibetan characters, no Latin 'A-Z' :) )
> >
> > (Note that it will be possible to disable this new feature.)
> 
> Pardon me.  I didn't quite understand what you meant.  Did you mean
> that there would be only one locale-specific font in the Text tool?
> Or the locale-specific font would be set to the default one?

Let's see if I can explain the history. ;)  Prior to our utilizing a system
called "Pango" for rendering the text in Tux Paint's user interface
(the buttons, dialogs and the messages at the bottom), Tux Paint simply
used a TrueType Font (TTF) and a basic text rendering library.
(Note: On older platforms, like Windows95, we still do it 'the old way.')

Some locales required very large fonts (Korean, for example) which contained
the characters needed to display the UI in that locale.  The standard
font that we shipped with Tux Paint wouldn't work for all locales,
and including all the fonts for all the locales that needed their own
took too much space.

So fonts for a number of locales were made available as separate downloads
(again, Korean, for example).  When you install them, they go into
a subfolder inside Tux Paint's fonts folder.  Tux Paint knew which locales
needed their own fonts, and would load the appropriate one from that
subfolder.

In the meantime, Tux Paint's "Text" tool was enhanced so that it could
find fonts elsewhere, as well as recurse into subdirectories to look
for them.  That caused all of the locale-specific ones that you have
installed to appear in the "Text" tool's font selector.  (e.g., Korean,
Japanese, Thai, Tibetan, etc.)  At some point, we decided a number of
the fonts were so small that we could include them by default, rather
than have a separate download.

Now, only Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional and Korean fonts are
separate download.  The rest that we need (Arabic, Tibetan, Greek, Gujarati,
Hebrew, Hindi, Japanese, Georgian, Tamil, Telugu, Thai and a _subset_
of Traditional Chinese (enough to display our UI)) come with Tux Paint by
default.  Even all together, they are still under 3MB.


So the problem was:  many of the locale-specific fonts were very close
to the fonts that we include for the Text tool itself.  (These days, it's
FreeMono, FreeSans and FreeSerif.)  And SOME were unusable in any language
except the one they were meant for (the Tibetan font we have right now
has no "ABCDE...XYZ"... those spots in the font are Tibetan characters!).

So, to avoid confusing children when they use the "Text" tool ("what's this
font?  It's not letting me type the alphabet!"), the next version will
avoid loading any of the fonts in Tux Paints "fonts/locale/" subdirectory,
unless they are for the current locale.

So most users will see a number of mostly-redundant fonts disappear from
the Font selector in the "Text" tool.  They will also see a confusing-looking
Tibetan one go away.

Users running Tux Paint in Arabic, Tibetan, Greek, Gujarati...etc. will
still have access to a font that works for them, and fewer fonts that
DON'T work for them.  (They will still have the FreeSans, FreeMono and
FreeSerif.)


> Besides, is it possible have an option specifying a default font?

Now this is where our 'font scoring' mechanism comes in.  We provide a
way for our translators to create strings that help us sort the fonts
in the "Text" tool, so that the most useful ones 'bubble up' to the top
of the list.

When you're using Tux Paint in Japanese, the "fonts/locale/ja.ttf" font
that we loaded should appear first.  Any other fonts you have on your
system that you've told Tux Paint to find (e.g., via the "Load System Fonts"
option), or installed into Tux Paint directly, will likewise be sorted
based on how well they support Japanese.

Unfortunately, the mechanism we have has been underutilized, but since
your original email to this list I've posted to the mailing list
for Tux Paint internationalization ("tuxpaint-i18n") asking translators
to take a look at these strings and update them.  I included improved
instructions and examples of how it works.

I've already received an update to Tux Paint's Ukrainian translation that
should help score fonts that support Ukrainian symbols.  I see that
the Traditional Chinese translation is NOT utilizing this scoring system
at the moment.  If you feel like helping, you can take a look at the
latest translation file here:

  ftp://ftp.billsgames.com/unix/x/tuxpaint/source/po/zh_TW.po

Learn how to help us edit the translation files here:

  http://tuxpaint.org/help/
and here:
  http://tuxpaint.org/help/po/

And read the post about the scoring system here:

  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200...@so...&forum_name=tuxpaint-i18n


So, once all this is done and perfected (if ever ;^) ), people running
Tux Paint in a particular locale should have, by default, a suitable
font chosen when they first launch Tux Paint and use the "Text" tool.


WHEW!  Long-winded response, sorry! :)  I hope this made sense!

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Frank W. (a.k.a. Franklin) <fra...@go...>]

Bill Kendrick 在 2009 年 06 月 02 日 Tuesday 00:31:54 時寫道：
> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:56:09PM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) 
wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > We are trying to type Chinese characters on text area.  However, the
> > default font (in the right side) could not show Chinese.   I can not find
> > a config option to select default font I want.  How can I specify a
> > default font so that we don't need to specify new font everytime?
>
> Hi Frank.  You should download the appropriate font from here:
>
>   http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/fonts/

There has been already a font for zh_TW, but it was not the default font for 
text tool.

> Additionally, I've just updated it so that (in the next version), the only
> locale-specific font that is presented in the Text tool is the one meant
> for the locale Tux Paint is running in.  (For a long time, we've been
> showing the Tibetan font in the Text tool's font selector, but it contains
> ONLY Tibetan characters, no Latin 'A-Z' :) )
>
> (Note that it will be possible to disable this new feature.)

Pardon me.  I didn't quite understand what you meant.  Did you mean that there 
would be only one locale-specific font in the Text tool?  Or the locale-specific 
font would be set to the default one?

Besides, is it possible have an option specifying a default font?

> Additionally, Tux Paint tries a few tricks to remove any fonts which are
> not compatible with the current locale.  However, it's up to the volunteers
> who translate Tux Paint to provide some clues.  I'll nudge them to make
> sure they understand what's needed, and hopefully things will be a bit
> cleaner in the next release. :)
>
> Thanks and enjoy!

Thanks,
Franklin

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:56:09PM +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> We are trying to type Chinese characters on text area.  However, the default 
> font (in the right side) could not show Chinese.   I can not find a config 
> option to select default font I want.  How can I specify a default font so 
> that we don't need to specify new font everytime?

Hi Frank.  You should download the appropriate font from here:

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/fonts/

Additionally, I've just updated it so that (in the next version), the only
locale-specific font that is presented in the Text tool is the one meant
for the locale Tux Paint is running in.  (For a long time, we've been showing
the Tibetan font in the Text tool's font selector, but it contains ONLY
Tibetan characters, no Latin 'A-Z' :) )

(Note that it will be possible to disable this new feature.)


Additionally, Tux Paint tries a few tricks to remove any fonts which are
not compatible with the current locale.  However, it's up to the volunteers
who translate Tux Paint to provide some clues.  I'll nudge them to make sure
they understand what's needed, and hopefully things will be a bit cleaner
in the next release. :)

Thanks and enjoy!


-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

[Tuxpaint-users] TuxPaint text area default font

[Frank W. (a.k.a. Franklin) <fra...@go...>]

Hi list,

We are trying to type Chinese characters on text area.  However, the default 
font (in the right side) could not show Chinese.   I can not find a config 
option to select default font I want.  How can I specify a default font so 
that we don't need to specify new font everytime?


Thanks,
Franklin

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Configuration file

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 04:56:01PM -1000, Leslie Arakaki wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I found it here: http://www.tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html
> 
> "Linux, Unix and Mac OS X Users
<snip>

:(  Sorry.  I guess the docs on the website were still out-of-date.

It's kind of hard, maintaining two sets of docs.  (The latest stuff in
the CVS repository, which will eventually become the new release... and
then the stuff on the website, which I try to update once a release is made.)

<snip> 
> In any event, I also realized (duh!) that there is the Tux Paint Config app
> installed, and I used that to make the saved files go to a folder on the
> desktop.

Ah, good!


> It only works when you use it for the current user - when I tried
> it for all users, it didn't work.  (or it could be me!)

Hrm, interesting.  Cc'ing Martin Fuhrer, who ports to OS X, and who also
added that "All Users" feature to Tux Paint Config., to see if he has any
clues or further questions.  (Not sure he's subscribed to 'tuxpaint-users')


> This is wonderful software - I've shown it to our librarian, elementary tech
> coordinator, and my 5-year old daughter - they all love it!

Awesome!  Thanks for helping spread the word! ;^)

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Configuration file

[Leslie A. <lar...@ha...>]

Hi Bill,

I found it here: http://www.tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html

"Linux, Unix and Mac OS X Users

    The file you should create is called ".tuxpaintrc" and it should be
placed in your home directory. (a.k.a. "~/.tuxpaintrc" or
"$HOME/.tuxpaintrc")"

In any event, I also realized (duh!) that there is the Tux Paint Config app
installed, and I used that to make the saved files go to a folder on the
desktop.  It only works when you use it for the current user - when I tried
it for all users, it didn't work.  (or it could be me!)

Thanks!

This is wonderful software - I've shown it to our librarian, elementary tech
coordinator, and my 5-year old daughter - they all love it!

Leslie


On 5/27/09 6:19 AM, "Bill Kendrick" <nb...@so...> wrote:

> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:10:39PM +0800, Martin Fuhrer wrote:
>> Hi Leslie,
>> 
>> On Mac OS X, you need to rename the ".tuxpaintrc" file to
>> "tuxpaint.cfg", and place it in
>> (home directory)/Library/Application Support/TuxPaint/
> 
> I just double-checked, and the docs in CVS look like they're all up-to-date
> and don't inadvertently instruct Mac users to place the config file
> in "~".  But just in case, Leslie, where did you see that instruction?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -bill!
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Configuration file

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:10:39PM +0800, Martin Fuhrer wrote:
> Hi Leslie,
> 
> On Mac OS X, you need to rename the ".tuxpaintrc" file to  
> "tuxpaint.cfg", and place it in
> (home directory)/Library/Application Support/TuxPaint/

I just double-checked, and the docs in CVS look like they're all up-to-date
and don't inadvertently instruct Mac users to place the config file
in "~".  But just in case, Leslie, where did you see that instruction?

Thanks!

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Configuration file

[Martin F. <mf...@gm...>]

Hi Leslie,

On Mac OS X, you need to rename the ".tuxpaintrc" file to  
"tuxpaint.cfg", and place it in
(home directory)/Library/Application Support/TuxPaint/

Look under the section "Mac OS X Users" in the Options documentation,  
and you should find this info there. Hope this helps,

Martin

On 24-May-09, at 11:15 AM, Leslie Arakaki wrote:

> I've read the Options Documentation, but I must be doing something  
> wrong.
>
> I plan to install TuxPaint on our cart laptops (MacBooks with OS  
> 10.4).  But
> I would like to change the savedir to a folder that resides on the  
> desktop.
> Each class has its own account on each of the laptops (i.e., 6  
> classes use
> one cart, each laptop has 6 accounts).
>
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> I created the .tuxpaintrc file, and saved it to one user account's  
> home
> directory (just to test).  But TuxPaint still saves it to the default
> location.  I tried to just using the fullscreen=yes command (figured  
> that
> was an easy change to see), but that didn't even work.  What am I  
> missing?
>
> Thanks!
> Leslie
>
>
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[Tuxpaint-users] Configuration file

[Leslie A. <lar...@ha...>]

I've read the Options Documentation, but I must be doing something wrong.

I plan to install TuxPaint on our cart laptops (MacBooks with OS 10.4).  But
I would like to change the savedir to a folder that resides on the desktop.
Each class has its own account on each of the laptops (i.e., 6 classes use
one cart, each laptop has 6 accounts).

Is there an easy way to do this?

I created the .tuxpaintrc file, and saved it to one user account's home
directory (just to test).  But TuxPaint still saves it to the default
location.  I tried to just using the fullscreen=yes command (figured that
was an easy change to see), but that didn't even work.  What am I missing?

Thanks!
Leslie

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Events Tux4Kids could participate in (California, June & July)

[Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...>]

Bill,
I know you must be speaking English, because I recognize words like  
sessions and electricity; otherwise this note went zipping by over my  
head.
Still, I hope you get time off to do this thing you want to do and  
find someone to help you do it.
Tell your wife I said you could go...
Gloria ;)


On Apr 14, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 04:54:05PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
>>  * O'Reilly Open Source Conference (OSCON) -- first time in  
>> California
>>    July 20-24, San Jose
>>    http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009
>
> Regarding OSCON:
>
>  Dot Org's receive 1 - sessions pass (excluding tutorials) and up to 4
>  exhibit booth staff passes.
>  You don't pay for the space, but if you'll need to order electricity
>  and internet if you want it.
>
>
> So far, noone's spoken up (neither from T4K or any T4K project, nor  
> from
> the LUG I run here in Davis, Calif.).
>
> I'll wait a few more days, and then probably sign up T4K and go  
> exhibit
> Tux Paint and the other projects, if I can (1) get the time off,
> (2) convince my wife to let me ;) and (3) find someone to help staff  
> the
> booth, so I can take a break and/or wander about.
>
> -bill!
>
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