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[Tuxpaint-users] Tuxpaint query

[Meg J. <mjo...@so...>]

Folks, I have subscribed to the Tux Paint Users mail list but have yet to receive confirmation.  Meanwhile, I am very anxious to have an answer to my question, so I hope you don't mind my sending a query without necessarily being on board as a member.

Is it possible to have any control over the saving of pictures; that is, saving pictures to a particular drive rather than using the default TuxPaint folder?

Meg Johnson
Junior School Teacher Librarian
Somerset College
MUDGEERABA  QLD
AUSTRALIA

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] [Tuxpaint-devel] Creating a new CDROM!

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

2009/7/18 Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...>:
>
> It's been a number of years since I released a CDROM version of Tux Paint.
> (The last version available was 0.9.16, from October 2006.)
> I'm finally creating a new one!
>
> I'm once again doing this via CafePress.  I send them a master disc,
> and they use it to create on-demand duplicates when anyone purchases a
> copy.  Along with being able to direct visitors of the Tux Paint
> website to CafePress to buy a disc, this also gets Tux Paint in the
> CafePress 'marketplace,' where folks who might not have heard about
> Tux Paint can find it.

If we are using cafe press I'd *love* to make a tshirt..

Caroline

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] [Tuxpaint-devel] Creating a new CDROM!

[Schrijvers L. <Be...@sk...>]

If all goes well you can count me in also to look at the Dutch
translation.

Luc aka Begasus

Op zaterdag 18-07-2009 om 13:05 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Chion
Jacques:
> The same for me ..
> Except i am ok for the french translation :)
> 
> Jacques Chion
> 
> http://www.bachendrome.fr
> http://www.maison-du-jeu-saint-donat.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Message du 18/07/09 12:58
> > De : "Joe Dalton" 
> > A : "Discussion list for parents and teachers using Tux Paint" 
> > Copie à : "Tux Paint" , "Tux Paint I18N" 
> > Objet : Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] [Tuxpaint-users] Creating a new CDROM!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I think it is a good idea, I'll help with the danish translation
> > bye
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> > PS - Perhaps in the future, I can do this collaboratively with the
> > folks who help me translate Tux Paint. That way, I can generate
> > localized versions of the HTML files that users who don't speak
> > (or don't prefer) English can understand the disc more readily.
> > Perhaps some PHP pages which are then 'executed' one time for each
> > locale, to generate sets of HTML files. What do folks think?
> > 
> > 
> > Find din nye laptop på kelkoo.dk. Se de gode tilbud her - http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/mm
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Creating a new CDROM!

[Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...>]

Yea, Bill! I'll finally be able to send Tux to my grandchildren whose  
parents aren't willing to download it!
Promise you'll have versions for both Macs and PCs?
Gloria;)

On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Bill Kendrick wrote:

>
> It's been a number of years since I released a CDROM version of Tux  
> Paint.
> (The last version available was 0.9.16, from October 2006.)
> I'm finally creating a new one!
>
> I'm once again doing this via CafePress.  I send them a master disc,
> and they use it to create on-demand duplicates when anyone purchases a
> copy.  Along with being able to direct visitors of the Tux Paint
> website to CafePress to buy a disc, this also gets Tux Paint in the
> CafePress 'marketplace,' where folks who might not have heard about
> Tux Paint can find it.
>
> Why would someone buy a disc?  A few reasons I can think of: to send a
> couple of dollars my way;  to have a physical copy of the software  
> they
> can keep safe (if they need to reinstall it);  as an easier way to
> install Tux Paint on numerous computers (like a school lab), or on
> computers that don't have direct internet access (like a child's
> computer at home in their bedroom);  to give as a gift (birthday/ 
> etc.).
>
> The disc I've burned, and will soon be mailing to CafePress, includes
> the latest version of Tux Paint (0.9.21, from July 2009) for
> Windows XP/2000/Vista/7, Mac OS X 10.5+, all versions of
> RedHat, Fedora CORE and Fedora Linux that we support, and the source.
> (It has some basic HTML files for easier navigation.)
>
> I'll send another note once the disc is available at CafePress
> (and, of course, update the tuxpaint.org website).
>
>
> PS - Perhaps in the future, I can do this collaboratively with the
> folks who help me translate Tux Paint.  That way, I can generate
> localized versions of the HTML files that users who don't speak
> (or don't prefer) English can understand the disc more readily.
> Perhaps some PHP pages which are then 'executed' one time for each
> locale, to generate sets of HTML files.  What do folks think?
>
> -- 
> -bill!
> Sent from my computer
>
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] [Tuxpaint-devel] Creating a new CDROM!

[Chion J. <f6...@or...>]

The same for me ..
Except i am ok for the french translation :)

Jacques Chion

http://www.bachendrome.fr
http://www.maison-du-jeu-saint-donat.net




> Message du 18/07/09 12:58
> De : "Joe Dalton" 
> A : "Discussion list for parents and teachers using Tux Paint" 
> Copie à : "Tux Paint" , "Tux Paint I18N" 
> Objet : Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] [Tuxpaint-users] Creating a new CDROM!
> 
> 
> 
> I think it is a good idea, I'll help with the danish translation
> bye
> Joe
> 
> 
> PS - Perhaps in the future, I can do this collaboratively with the
> folks who help me translate Tux Paint. That way, I can generate
> localized versions of the HTML files that users who don't speak
> (or don't prefer) English can understand the disc more readily.
> Perhaps some PHP pages which are then 'executed' one time for each
> locale, to generate sets of HTML files. What do folks think?
> 
> 
> Find din nye laptop på kelkoo.dk. Se de gode tilbud her - http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/mm
> 
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Creating a new CDROM!

[Ann R. <re...@mh...>]

I would love a CD for ease of installation on many Macs running OS10.5+ - please let us know when a CD is available.  Thanks for all you do for TuxPaint, my alternative to KidPix which I used for years and no longer do now that TuxPaint is available - Ann
Ann Reigle
Technology Facilitator
Memorial Hall
717-520-2435
re...@mh...

>>> Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> 07/18/09 12:33 AM >>>

It's been a number of years since I released a CDROM version of Tux Paint.
(The last version available was 0.9.16, from October 2006.)
I'm finally creating a new one!

I'm once again doing this via CafePress.  I send them a master disc,
and they use it to create on-demand duplicates when anyone purchases a
copy.  Along with being able to direct visitors of the Tux Paint
website to CafePress to buy a disc, this also gets Tux Paint in the
CafePress 'marketplace,' where folks who might not have heard about
Tux Paint can find it.

Why would someone buy a disc?  A few reasons I can think of: to send a
couple of dollars my way;  to have a physical copy of the software they
can keep safe (if they need to reinstall it);  as an easier way to
install Tux Paint on numerous computers (like a school lab), or on
computers that don't have direct internet access (like a child's
computer at home in their bedroom);  to give as a gift (birthday/etc.).

The disc I've burned, and will soon be mailing to CafePress, includes
the latest version of Tux Paint (0.9.21, from July 2009) for
Windows XP/2000/Vista/7, Mac OS X 10.5+, all versions of
RedHat, Fedora CORE and Fedora Linux that we support, and the source.
(It has some basic HTML files for easier navigation.)

I'll send another note once the disc is available at CafePress
(and, of course, update the tuxpaint.org website).


PS - Perhaps in the future, I can do this collaboratively with the
folks who help me translate Tux Paint.  That way, I can generate
localized versions of the HTML files that users who don't speak
(or don't prefer) English can understand the disc more readily.
Perhaps some PHP pages which are then 'executed' one time for each
locale, to generate sets of HTML files.  What do folks think?

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Creating a new CDROM!

[Joe D. <joe...@ya...>]

I think it is a good idea, I'll help with the danish translation
bye
Joe


PS - Perhaps in the future, I can do this collaboratively with the
folks who help me translate Tux Paint.  That way, I can generate
localized versions of the HTML files that users who don't speak
(or don't prefer) English can understand the disc more readily.
Perhaps some PHP pages which are then 'executed' one time for each
locale, to generate sets of HTML files.  What do folks think?


      Find din nye laptop på kelkoo.dk. Se de gode tilbud her - http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/mm

[Tuxpaint-users] Creating a new CDROM!

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

It's been a number of years since I released a CDROM version of Tux Paint.
(The last version available was 0.9.16, from October 2006.)
I'm finally creating a new one!

I'm once again doing this via CafePress.  I send them a master disc,
and they use it to create on-demand duplicates when anyone purchases a
copy.  Along with being able to direct visitors of the Tux Paint
website to CafePress to buy a disc, this also gets Tux Paint in the
CafePress 'marketplace,' where folks who might not have heard about
Tux Paint can find it.

Why would someone buy a disc?  A few reasons I can think of: to send a
couple of dollars my way;  to have a physical copy of the software they
can keep safe (if they need to reinstall it);  as an easier way to
install Tux Paint on numerous computers (like a school lab), or on
computers that don't have direct internet access (like a child's
computer at home in their bedroom);  to give as a gift (birthday/etc.).

The disc I've burned, and will soon be mailing to CafePress, includes
the latest version of Tux Paint (0.9.21, from July 2009) for
Windows XP/2000/Vista/7, Mac OS X 10.5+, all versions of
RedHat, Fedora CORE and Fedora Linux that we support, and the source.
(It has some basic HTML files for easier navigation.)

I'll send another note once the disc is available at CafePress
(and, of course, update the tuxpaint.org website).


PS - Perhaps in the future, I can do this collaboratively with the
folks who help me translate Tux Paint.  That way, I can generate
localized versions of the HTML files that users who don't speak
(or don't prefer) English can understand the disc more readily.
Perhaps some PHP pages which are then 'executed' one time for each
locale, to generate sets of HTML files.  What do folks think?

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

[Tuxpaint-users] New version of "Tux Paint" now available!

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Tux4Kids and New Breed Software are pleased to announce Tux Paint 0.9.21,
the newest version of the award-winning and completely free drawing program
for children.

Tux Paint 0.9.21 features nearly two dozen new Magic tools, as well as
updates to old favorites.  Many of these were developed by six students
from around the globe during Google's 2008 Summer of Code program,
under the mentorship of Tux Paint developers.

Exciting new Magic tools include intelligent train tracks that
automatically connect when their paths cross, a realistic rainbow tool,
a fisheye lens effect, edge and silhouette tracing tools,
various string art effects, and a tool to fold the edges of your
drawing up from the corners.  There is also a brush that paints with
'toothpaste', and others that paint with confetti, rain, snowballs,
and snowflakes!  Additionally, many classic Magic tools (like Blur and Tint)
can now affect the entire drawing, instead of just a selected area.

Coloring-book style Starter Images are now easier to make.  Images with
transparency (alpha channel) are still supported, but additionally, if
no transparent layer is found, Tux Paint will assume that white is the
background color.  This means you can now draw or scan any simple
black-and-white image and use it as a Tux Paint Starter Image!

New in Tux Paint 0.9.21, the Text tool now supports bidirectional
languages like Hebrew and Arabic, thanks to the FriBidi library.
Tux Paint has also been translated to two new languages, Shuswap and Songhay,
and many other translations have been updated.

On Linux, environment variables (like "$HOME") may now be used when
setting directories for saving images or finding data files.

And of course, Tux Paint 0.9.21 incorporates a number of minor
improvements and bug fixes requested by the Tux Paint community.
For example, Tux Paint no longer drops out of fullscreen mode in Windows
if the [Windows] key is pressed (XP, 2000 and Vista only), and it
brings up an error window if it fails to print.

Tux Paint 0.9.21 and the new Stamps collection are available for
download free of charge from the Tux Paint website for
Microsoft Windows Vista, XP and 2000, Red Hat and Fedora Linux,
Intel- and PowerPC-based Apple Mac OS X systems, and as source-code.

To learn how you can help contribute to the Tux Paint project as a
volunteer, visit:  http://www.tuxpaint.org/help.


Full press release:
  http://tuxpaint.org/latest/tuxpaint-0.9.21-press-release-en.php3

Download for Windows Vista, 2000 and XP:
  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/windows/      (installer EXE)
  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/windows-zip/  (stand-alone ZIP)

Download for Mac OS X:
  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/macosx/

Download for RedHat Linux (6.2 through 9) and Fedora (1 through 11):
  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/linux-rpm/


Enjoy!

-- 
-bill!
Tux Paint Lead Developer
http://www.tuxpaint.org/

[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 source released!

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Tux Paint 0.9.21 source has been released!  I'm not going to do a wider
announcement (no press release or notice to 'tuxpaint-news' list) until
Windows and Mac OS X builds are available.  (Plus, the press release is in
the middle of a re-write.)

Get it from here:  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/source/

Thanks and enjoy!

-- 
-bill!
Off to the pool in 111F weather.

[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for Mac OS X

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Along with the Windows XP/2000/Vista/7 and RedHat Linux beta builds
of the next version of Tux Paint, we now have a Mac OS X build!

It can be downloaded from:

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/macosx/0.9.21/


Some highlights (which means things that need extra attention by
testers :^) )

* New and enhanced Magic tools
  - Blur (entire image)
  - Color and White
  - Color shift
  - Confetti
  - Darken (entire image)
  - Edges
  - Fisheye
  - Fold
  - Glass Tile (entire image)
  - Lighten (entire image)
  - Mosaic
  - Noise
  - Negative (entire image)
  - Picasso
  - Rain
  - Rails
  - Real Rainbow
  - Rosette
  - Sharpen
  - Silhouette
  - Snow Ball
  - Snow Flakes
  - String Edges / Corner / 'V'
  - Tint (entire image)
  - Toothpaste
  - TV
  - Wavelets

* Starter images no longer need transparency.  You can use a 'flat', 100%
  opaque image, and white will be used as the drawing zone in the picture.

* Text Tool now works with right-to-left languages (Hebrew, Arabic),
  including mixing with left-to-right languages (e.g., English).

* Pop-up dialogs (e.g., "Are you sure you want to quit?") look and act
  better when in a right-to-left locale (Hebrew or Arabic).

* Font scoring improvements to help make the most useful fonts for your locale
  appear at the top of the Fonts list in the Text tool.

* Shushwap and Songhay locales now supported.


And to all of you out there who are interested in Tux Paint running in
your language, please try it out and make sure things work and look ok!
(And if you have any translation updates you'd like to send, send them soon
so I can get them into the 0.9.21 release!)

Thanks!!!

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

[Tuxpaint-users] UK Open Source Schools Unconference

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

http://opensourceschools.org.uk/unconference09

Teachers and technical staff who use, or are interested in, open
source software are invitied to participate in a friendly, informal
day of sharing enthusiasm, experience, and expertise at NCSL's
Conference Centre in Nottingham, 10:00-16:00, Monday 20th July. Places
are free for all school and local authority staff.

-----
I can't go - but someone may be interested.

Caroline

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for Windows XP/2000/Vista/7

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

Its a challenge I'll say that.

I DO figure more of my students will be more likely to have a computer handy for most of their lives than traditional art supplies... I figure the serious ones will find traditional media in middle school too.

Tux tools allow younger students to work more with composition even though their developmental level won't let them manipulate media with much skill... They are not without
practice using other mediums in their classrooms where the teachers are for the most part tech phobic.

I look at it mostly as a pilot program, an experiment to see what can be done and what happens.

I get some good work back from time to time..

I also had them opening their Tux work with Irfanview last quarter and then using Photoshop filters to do all kinds of fun stuff... very neat when 1st and 2nd graders can think about working on files using multiple platform by themselves. They also had fun making gradients using MS Paint and saved them to Tux for starters.

-Guy


--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Caroline Ford <car...@go...> wrote:
>> Remember some of us are Art Teachers and it is hard to teach a
>> concept if the software doesn't support it very well. All I have is
>> a computer lab now... no traditional media studio left.

:(

I dunno how you can teach art without paint, paper etc.



Caroline





      

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for Windows XP/2000/Vista/7

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

2009/6/20 Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...>:

>
>> A silhouette is two colors and a positive negative shape
>> relationship (like the button)... not grey lines on a black
>> field. If I could fill the outer space with white it would be a two
>> step process to achieve a silhouette and still useful...  but hand
>> painting a reliable edge especially without magnification of a area
>> is durn frustrating.
>
We could rename silhouette but I'm not sure what to. What is it actually doing?

>
>> Tux's Mosaic is more a very soft fine gravel mosaic texture with no
>> sense of tiles which characterize the technique AND the Mosiac
>> Button icon. Many Mosaic tiles are square... the random shape is
>> more a post-Gaudi and modern style. A scaling slider could help with
>> tiles too
>
> *sigh*  Yes, Mosaic is kind of a side-effect tool.  The student who created
> a few other tools decided that if they mixed them together (applied a few
> of the other tools he was working on).  I agree that it doesn't look
> like a real mosaic, but it's pretty close.

I suggested the mosaic tool but it's not really what I wanted. I
wanted what the gimp has, as below.

> I'd love to see it replaced by something similar to what The GIMP has.
>
>  http://www.fotothing.com/photos/452/452160e2bb9acbee8bed8697e2399ea9.jpg
>
> Especially if we could 'paint' with it.
>
>
>> Remember some of us are Art Teachers and it is hard to teach a
>> concept if the software doesn't support it very well. All I have is
>> a computer lab now... no traditional media studio left.

:(

I dunno how you can teach art without paint, paper etc.

>> Giving Rain magic additional colors to play with could produce leaf
>> and feather texture... I'm sure the boys would discover
>> possibilities of blood.
>
> Indeed.
I agree too.

Caroline

Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for Windows XP/2000/Vista/7

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0700, henry taylor wrote:
> Is there any way to improve the edge defining functions across the spectrum
> of Tux Magic tools? Especially when used with STAMPS. (which have a mask
> that defines the edge I believe)

I had to read the above a few times, but I think you're asking for this:

  visible feedback that tells you where (on the canvas, and in relation
  to the mouse pointer's current position) a Magic tool will be effective.

(e.g., for most of them, it'd be a circle with 16px diameter, for some it
wouldn't necessarily apply)

I think this would be benefecial, both for the Magic tools for which it
would apply, as well as for the Paint and Line tool.  It's certainly
not something, though, that I'd feel confident in adding to the code
right before the forthcoming release.  (And it's stuff like this that
makes me want to rewrite Tux Paint from scratch. :) )


In terms of a 'mask', Stamp masks are actually defined by their alpha
transparency (the alpha channel for each pixel in PNG images,
or the inherent transparency of 'parts of the internal drawing surface
that weren't drawn on when we rendered the stamp', in the case of SVG images).

> My basic test of viability is using the fill tool and hope the image retains
> coherency.


I'll try to address the following comments.  Most of these will sound
like excuses, and they are. :)  We had quite a plethora of new Magic tools
submitted, mostly initially from the 3 months of work done during
last year's Google Summer of Code program.  In many cases, I've found the
tools only just barely suitable, but as this is an open source project,
the code is available and ready for improvement through an iterative
process.  (i.e., people like you try it out and say "that's not very good,"
and then improve it.)

In fact, a number of GSOC-submitted Magic tools were improved a great deal,
prior to these beta releases.  (e.g., the interface for the Rails tool
made almost no sense, and completely failed during click-and-drag input,
but now works incredibly well, in my opinion).

We have Pere Pujal i Carabantes (who first joined the project as a
translator) for many of these.  (If I were to dedicate releases, this
would be the "Pere" release. [*])

> A silhouette is two colors and a positive negative shape
> relationship (like the button)... not grey lines on a black
> field. If I could fill the outer space with white it would be a two
> step process to achieve a silhouette and still useful...  but hand
> painting a reliable edge especially without magnification of a area
> is durn frustrating.



> A cartoon or coloring book image is a black line around spaces which
> can be actually filled...like on the starter images... making the
> black line another pixel or so wider might be a big help so long as
> the fill barrier had no gaps. I can show my kids how to clean up the
> black line if it has a bunch of little spots in it a bunch of gaps
> is much harder and produces less satisfactory outcomes.


> I do love the new apply to entire image feature. You could add it to
> a lot of other magic tools too



> a few seeming oddities:
> 
> The Rails magic is topographic and unrelated to the elevation view
> of the train cartoons in Stamps or to the isometric use of rails in
> the mine stamp... some alignment allowing features to match up would
> be very welcome

I agree.  I'd like to see Rails extended for creating pipes and other
interconnecting shapes, as well.


> Real Rainbow is not all that "real" OR aligned to science and art
> education or the sequence: Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Violet... no
> big pink space at the bottom... it looks more like a poor
> photograph.

Aww :(  I've thought about creating an alternate that uses a solid
ROYGBIV gradient, rather than what we have now -- which is, in fact,
based on a photograph of a real rainbow.


> I'm still trying to get a Picasso cubist effect or anything Picasso
> like out of "Picasso" I even try to draw the image shown on the
> Button with no luck what so ever.

I'm more than willing to rename that Tool.  I'm not sure why it was given
the name 'Picasso' to begin with, but I'm not an art historian.

Someone else came back later and created the icon for the tool, and
I did have the thought "it doesn't really _draw_ like that."

So perhaps we should change either:

  * the name and icon
  * the icon, if we can decide that the tool results relate in any way
    to anything Picasso had done
  * the code in the tool, to make it draw more like what the button shows


> Tux's Mosaic is more a very soft fine gravel mosaic texture with no
> sense of tiles which characterize the technique AND the Mosiac
> Button icon. Many Mosaic tiles are square... the random shape is
> more a post-Gaudi and modern style. A scaling slider could help with
> tiles too

*sigh*  Yes, Mosaic is kind of a side-effect tool.  The student who created
a few other tools decided that if they mixed them together (applied a few
of the other tools he was working on).  I agree that it doesn't look
like a real mosaic, but it's pretty close.

I'd love to see it replaced by something similar to what The GIMP has.

  http://www.fotothing.com/photos/452/452160e2bb9acbee8bed8697e2399ea9.jpg

Especially if we could 'paint' with it.


> Remember some of us are Art Teachers and it is hard to teach a
> concept if the software doesn't support it very well. All I have is
> a computer lab now... no traditional media studio left.

Understood.  Fortunately, it's relatively easy to disable the tools
that one finds objectionable.  (Just move or remove the .so/.dll)


> Giving Rain magic additional colors to play with could produce leaf
> and feather texture... I'm sure the boys would discover
> possibilities of blood.

Indeed.


> Flip and Mirror are good BUT can we get a ROTATE? (like the Shapes
> feature rotates) (Rain at a 45 degree angle!)

Sure, just needs to be programmed.  We'd need to consider what to do
about Starter images, the edges of the picture (use background color,
tile the rotated image?).  We don't provide a lot of UI (on purpose)
for making some of these choices, so we need to pick something that
makes the most sense.


> The Magic menu is now rather long... is it time to do what was done
> in Stamps menu and add a left right arrows and multiple Magic menus?

I've been thinking of this.  Allow Magic tools provide their own
group names.  Tools from completely different plugins could be grouped
together, so long as the plugin creators use an identical grouping ID.
(e.g., Mirror, Flip and the proposed Rotate could all go into a
'transformations' group)  The group names wouldn't need to be exposed
to the users, they'd just be used internally.


> Any way of getting a script or plugin for Adobe that will in
> Photoshop, Gimp, or Paint Shop convert a Tux image or MS Paint image
> into a simple stamp just by running it and saving it as a PNG?

I don't have the skills or resources to do this, but I'd love to see it.

(Also, if you hadn't noticed, I finally made it possible to simply
create a black-and-white line drawing as a Starter, and Tux Paint will
notice that the image lacks any kind of transparency, and so then decide
to use white for transparent.  So you can just draw something in Tux Paint
or MS Paint or whatever, save it as a PNG, and then use it like a coloring
book inside Tux Paint...  no more loading it into Photoshop, Paintshop Pro,
GIMP or Infranview and mucking with it first.)


> I've made stamps using Paint Shop but the transparency is
> unreliable... I do not always need all the data features... or extra
> files. I've occasionally got useful stamps with Paint Shop..just not
> sure why not reliably or frequently.  Been a year or more since I
> played with the attempt tho. Don't remember what I was doing.

It'd be useful to see the PNGs you got from PaintShop Pro to figure out
what you (or we) are doing wrong.  If you have difficulty again in the
future, pass them along to me.


> Thanks, and keep up the good work!

Thanks for all your feedback!  Good to know we have at least one
art teacher on this list! :)  (Anyone else out here?)


[*] 0.9.20 would've been the "Caroline Ford" release, if I recall my
    thoughts from a year ago.  The first version that included the Smudge
    tool would've been the "Albert Cahalan" one.  And one of the earlier
    releases that supported localization properly would've been the
    "Karl Ove Hufthammer" release. :^) )

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[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for RedHat and Fedora Linux

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 01:05:47AM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> 
> If you'd like to beta test Tux Paint on RedHat (6.2-9.0) or Fedora [CORE]
Linux (1-11), a new beta was made available today ('0.9.21-beta3').
It can be downloaded from:

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/rpm/0.9.21/

As mentioned in my previous e-mail about the Windows beta build,
some highlights (which means things that need extra attention by
testers)

* savedir and datadir options can now accept "$" variables (e.g., "$HOME")
  and "~" (shortcut for $HOME) in directory name paths.

* Error pop-up appears when Tux Paint fails to talk to a printing backend
  (like "lpr").

* Print-out should be scaled better.

* Improved .desktop file.

* New and enhanced Magic tools
  - Blur (entire image)
  - Color and White
  - Color shift
  - Confetti
  - Darken (entire image)
  - Edges
  - Fisheye
  - Fold
  - Glass Tile (entire image)
  - Lighten (entire image)
  - Mosaic
  - Noise
  - Negative (entire image)
  - Picasso
  - Rain
  - Rails
  - Real Rainbow
  - Rosette
  - Sharpen
  - Silhouette
  - Snow Ball
  - Snow Flakes
  - String Edges / Corner / 'V'
  - Tint (entire image)
  - Toothpaste
  - TV
  - Wavelets

* Starter images no longer need transparency.  You can use a 'flat', 100%
  opaque image, and white will be used as the drawing zone in the picture.

* Text Tool now works with right-to-left languages (Hebrew, Arabic),
  including mixing with left-to-right languages (e.g., English).

* Pop-up dialogs (e.g., "Are you sure you want to quit?") look and act
  better when in a right-to-left locale (Hebrew or Arabic).

* Font scoring improvements to help make the most useful fonts for your locale
  appear at the top of the Fonts list in the Text tool.

* Shushwap and Songhay locales now supported.



And to all of you out there who are interested in Tux Paint running in
your language, please try it out and make sure things work and look ok!
(And if you have any translation updates you'd like to send, send them soon
so I can get them into the 0.9.21 release!)

Thanks!!!

-- 
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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for Windows XP/2000/Vista/7

[henry t. <tor...@ya...>]

Is there any way to improve the edge defining functions across the spectrum of Tux Magic tools? Especially when used with STAMPS. (which have a mask that defines the edge I believe)

My basic test of viability is using the fill tool and hope the image retains coherency.

A silhouette is two colors and a positive negative shape relationship (like the button)... not grey lines on a black field. If I could fill the outer space with white it would be a two step process to achieve a silhouette and still useful... but hand painting a reliable edge especially without magnification of a area is durn frustrating.

A cartoon or coloring book image is a black line around spaces which can be actually filled...like on the starter images... making the black line another pixel or so wider might be a big help so long as the fill barrier had no gaps. I can show my kids how to clean up the black line if it has a bunch of little spots in it a bunch of gaps is much harder and produces less satisfactory outcomes.

I do love the new apply to entire image feature. You could add it to a lot of other magic tools too

a few seeming oddities:

The Rails magic is topographic and unrelated to the elevation view of the train cartoons in Stamps or to the isometric use of rails in the mine stamp... some alignment allowing features to match up would be very welcome

Real Rainbow is not all that "real"  OR aligned to science and art education or the sequence:  Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Violet... no big pink space at the bottom... it looks more like a poor photograph.

I'm still trying to get a Picasso cubist effect or anything Picasso like out of "Picasso" I even try to draw the image shown on the Button with no luck what so ever.

Tux's Mosaic is more a very soft fine gravel mosaic texture with no sense of tiles which characterize the technique AND the Mosiac Button icon. Many Mosaic tiles are square... the random shape is more a post-Gaudi and modern style. A scaling slider could help with tiles too

Remember some of us are Art Teachers and it is hard to teach a concept if the software doesn't support it very well. All I have is a computer lab now... no traditional media studio left.

Giving Rain magic additional colors to play with could produce leaf and feather texture... I'm sure the boys would discover possibilities of blood.

Flip and Mirror are good BUT can we get a ROTATE? (like the Shapes feature rotates) (Rain at a 45 degree angle!)

The Magic menu is now rather long... is it time to do what was done in Stamps menu and add a left right arrows and multiple Magic menus?


Any way of getting a script or plugin for Adobe that will in Photoshop, Gimp, or Paint Shop convert a Tux image or MS Paint image into a simple stamp just by running it and saving it as a PNG? 

I've made stamps using Paint Shop but the transparency is unreliable... I do not always need all the data features... or extra files. I've occasionally got useful stamps with Paint Shop..just not sure why not reliably or frequently. Been a year or more since I played with the attempt tho. Don't remember what I was doing.

Thanks, and keep up the good work!

Guy



--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:

From: Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...>
Subject: [Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for Windows XP/2000/Vista/7
To: "Tux Paint Users" <tux...@li...>
Cc: "Tux Paint I18N" <tux...@li...>
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 1:05 AM


If you'd like to beta test Tux Paint on Windows XP, 2000, Vista or 7,
a new beta was made available today ('0.9.21-beta3').  It can be downloaded
from:

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/win32/0.9.21/

Some highlights (which means things that need extra attention by
testers :^) )

* New and enhanced Magic tools
  - Blur (entire image)
  - Color and White
  - Color shift
  - Confetti
  - Darken (entire image)
  - Edges
  - Fisheye
  - Fold
  - Glass Tile (entire image)
  - Lighten (entire image)
  - Mosaic
  - Noise
  - Negative (entire image)
  - Picasso
  - Rain
  - Rails
  - Real Rainbow
  - Rosette
  - Sharpen
  - Silhouette
  - Snow Ball
  - Snow Flakes
  - String Edges / Corner / 'V'
  - Tint (entire image)
  - Toothpaste
  - TV
  - Wavelets

* Starter images no longer need transparency.  You can use a 'flat', 100%
  opaque image, and white will be used as the drawing zone in the picture.

* Text Tool now works with right-to-left languages (Hebrew, Arabic),
  including mixing with left-to-right languages (e.g., English).

* Pop-up dialogs (e.g., "Are you sure you want to quit?") look and act
  better when in a right-to-left locale (Hebrew or Arabic).

* Font scoring improvements to help make the most useful fonts for your locale
  appear at the top of the Fonts list in the Text tool.

* Shushwap and Songhay locales now supported.

* Tux Paint should no longer drop out of full-screen mode if you press
  the left or right [Windows] keys on your keyboard.


And to all of you out there who are interested in Tux Paint running in
your language, please try it out and make sure things work and look ok!
(And if you have any translation updates you'd like to send, send them soon
so I can get them into the 0.9.21 release!)

Thanks!!!

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[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta 3 for Windows XP/2000/Vista/7

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

If you'd like to beta test Tux Paint on Windows XP, 2000, Vista or 7,
a new beta was made available today ('0.9.21-beta3').  It can be downloaded
from:

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/win32/0.9.21/

Some highlights (which means things that need extra attention by
testers :^) )

* New and enhanced Magic tools
  - Blur (entire image)
  - Color and White
  - Color shift
  - Confetti
  - Darken (entire image)
  - Edges
  - Fisheye
  - Fold
  - Glass Tile (entire image)
  - Lighten (entire image)
  - Mosaic
  - Noise
  - Negative (entire image)
  - Picasso
  - Rain
  - Rails
  - Real Rainbow
  - Rosette
  - Sharpen
  - Silhouette
  - Snow Ball
  - Snow Flakes
  - String Edges / Corner / 'V'
  - Tint (entire image)
  - Toothpaste
  - TV
  - Wavelets

* Starter images no longer need transparency.  You can use a 'flat', 100%
  opaque image, and white will be used as the drawing zone in the picture.

* Text Tool now works with right-to-left languages (Hebrew, Arabic),
  including mixing with left-to-right languages (e.g., English).

* Pop-up dialogs (e.g., "Are you sure you want to quit?") look and act
  better when in a right-to-left locale (Hebrew or Arabic).

* Font scoring improvements to help make the most useful fonts for your locale
  appear at the top of the Fonts list in the Text tool.

* Shushwap and Songhay locales now supported.

* Tux Paint should no longer drop out of full-screen mode if you press
  the left or right [Windows] keys on your keyboard.


And to all of you out there who are interested in Tux Paint running in
your language, please try it out and make sure things work and look ok!
(And if you have any translation updates you'd like to send, send them soon
so I can get them into the 0.9.21 release!)

Thanks!!!

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint turning 7 years old

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

So the current datestamp in 'tuxpaint.c', the main source-code file for
Tux Paint looks like this:

  June 14, 2002 - June 13, 2009

And the very first entry in the CHANGES.txt changelog looks like this:

  2002.June.16
    * Initial release.
      Supports brushes, stamps, lines, eraser, sound effects.


What does that mean?  Well, (1) I released the first Tux Paint after only
one weekend's worth of work :), and (2) Tux Paint's 7th birthday is TOMORROW,
June 16th!

I decided to create an advertise an event on Facebook about it, and
then went ahead and made a press release which you can see on the website:

  http://tuxpaint.org/latest/tpday-200906.php3

I'm calling it "Tux Paint Day," and I've suggested that folks can celebrate
by telling their friends about Tux Paint.  (Even a close friend of
mine, who's been part of my Linux User Group since before Tux Paint existed,
has said: "oh, uh, err.. I dunno!" when I wasat their 7 year old's birthday
party and ask them: "so, do all these kids use Tux Paint?" :^) )

So spread the word!  Since it's free, there's no harm in trying it out! :)

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[Tuxpaint-users] [Semi-OT] Article: "Report: kids' use of tech growing exponentially"

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

I just saw a link to this article on another list I'm on, and thought it
might be interesting to folks in this community:


Report: kids' use of tech growing exponentially

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/06/report-kids-use-of-tech-growing-exponentially.ars

  ...A new report from the NPD Group says that use of these devices has
  grown by an "impressive" rate among 4 to 14 year olds, and that their
  usage is even changing over time as technology matures...

  ...there's an increase in kids who have their own laptops, suggesting
  that parents are buying them specifically for the child's use.

  In fact, households with kids already have an average of 11 consumer
  electronics devices, and a third of parents reported that they planned
  to buy a device specifically for their kids over the next
  year. Predictably, younger children will be the recipients of
  educational toys while older kids will get things like digital cameras
  and cell phones. Thirty percent of kids in the survey had their own
  digital music player, while 37 percent had their own gaming handheld,
  and 26 percent of kids had their own console.

  NPD added that kids' usage of things like music players, laptops, and
  digital cameras has grown at an "impressive" rate -- 37 percent this
  year, compared to only 6 percent in 2005. ...


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[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta for Mac OS X

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

A beta release of the upcoming version of Tux Paint, 0.9.21, is now
also available as for Mac OS X (as a 'DMG' disk image).

This was created by Dave Vasilevsky, who ports the open source game
"X-Moto" to Mac OS X.  (I found him in the #macosx IRC channel on Freenode.)
Big thanks for the work he did figuring this out, since he had never
built (and possibly had never _seen_) Tux Paint before.

One person (zakk on #sdl) has tested it so far, and mentioned a problem
with the mouse pointers, but was unable to replicated it today.
(He tested on an Intel Mac running Mac OS X 10.5.  I'm very curious to know
whether this build can run on PPC Macs and on older versions of OS X.)

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/macosx/0.9.21/

Thanks, and enjoy!  Let us know if you notice any problems!

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[Tuxpaint-users] Physical safety around computers

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

A friend of mine forwarded me the following article:
  http://www.forbes.com/feeds/hscout/2009/06/09/hscout627867.html

It's about kids safety around computers.  Considering Tux Paint is
computer software geared towards young children, it's important that
kids use it safely.

Unfortunately, the site that the article links to doesn't immediately
and obviously have a link on 'kids and computer' safety, but perhaps I just
didn't dig around.

In any case, I thought I'd share it, and I welcome ideas on how to
share this info with parents/teachers/kids on the Tux Paint website.

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[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta for Windows

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

A beta release of the upcoming version of Tux Paint, 0.9.21, is now
also available as an installer (.exe) for Windows.

This was created by TOYAMA Shin-Ichi, and I believe is only for newer
versions of Windows (XP, 2000, Vista and I assume also Windows 7).

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/win32/0.9.21/

Thanks, and enjoy!  Let us know if you notice any problems!

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[Tuxpaint-users] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta for RedHat and Fedora Linux

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

A beta release of the upcoming version of Tux Paint, 0.9.21, is now
available as RPM packages for RedHat, Fedora CORE and Fedora Linux.[*]

If you're using RedHat 6.2, 7.3, 8.0 or 9.0, or Fedora CORE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6,
or Fedora 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10, and want to help us test things out, but
can't or don't want to download code from CVS and compile Tux Paint yourself,
these are for you!

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/rpm/0.9.21/

This includes an updated version of Tux Paint Config., as well.

It also includes a package for Fribidi, a bi-directional text system that
Tux Paint now (optionally) depends upon, for RedHat 6.2 through 9.
Other dependencies (e.g., FLTK for Tux Paint Config., SDL_Pango, etc.)
appear to not have changed, so get those from the website of you need them:

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/linux-rpm/

Thanks, and enjoy!  Let us know if you notice any problems!

[*] i386-compatible CPUs.

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Re: [Tuxpaint-users] "things you didn't know about Tux Paint"

[Lieven V. P. <lie...@sk...>]

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Dalton" <joe...@ya...>
To: "Discussion list for parents and teachers using Tux Paint" 
<tux...@li...>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Tuxpaint-users] "things you didn't know about Tux Paint"



Mayby something like

1) You can laugh for minutes with your child, doing all kind of funny 
pictures.

--- Den fre 5/6/09 skrev Gloria Taylor Weinberg <glo...@be...>:

> Fra: Gloria Taylor Weinberg <glo...@be...>
> Emne: Re: [Tuxpaint-users] "things you didn't know about Tux Paint"
> Til: "Discussion list for parents and teachers using Tux Paint" 
> <tux...@li...>
> Dato: fredag 5. juni 2009 15.07
> 1) It's not just for children.
> 2) It's capable of producing quite sophisticated works of
> art. (RE: My
> "Fire by the Lake" painting.)
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Bill Kendrick wrote:
>
> >
> > I just saw a headline on my Google News homepage
> entitled
> > "5 things you didn't know about the Palm Pre" (Palm's
> new handheld),
> > and I thought it might be fun to think of some 'things
> people might
> > not know'
> > about Tux Paint.
> >
> > What do you all think? Got any ideas?
> >
> > (Cross-posting to both tuxpaint-users and
> -devel. Don't feel like
> > it's
> > necessary to reply to both, I'll collect all the
> responses and pick
> > ones
> > I like and post them back to both lists. I might
> put together a
> > kind of
> > 'news release' about it. ;^) )
> >
> > -- 
> > -bill!
> > Sent from my computer
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