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From: Thomas R. <tri...@tr...> - 2003-04-27 04:51:42
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And now for something completely different ... I don't even know if I like this one, but I thought that we should have a few different logos to choose from. Thomas > Rod Johnson wrote: > > > > I can certainly see this logo working in well with an overall site design. > > > > My original thoughts for a logo were based around spring the season--maybe > > based on a photo of budding trees or the like. But I badly lack graphical > > flair. > > > > Spring as a season sounds good. Maybe you could incorporate a Japanese > cherry blossom symbol or something like that - they're nice and simple > and make good logos: > > http://www.geobop.com/Symbols/flags/images/Japan/FukuokaSaga.gif > > http://www.fotw.ca/images/jp_pm-sc.gif > > I think "J2EE made easy" sounds a bit glib as a strapline... > > -- > Luke Taylor. Monkey Machine Ltd. > PGP Key ID: 0x57E9523C http://www.monkeymachine.ltd.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > |
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From: Luke T. <ne...@fr...> - 2003-04-27 00:55:26
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Rod Johnson wrote: > What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's potentially > zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities. Transactionality is a > must. > Hypersonic supports transactions and is very convenient to use. It also comes embedded with JBoss so there's no additional requirement to set up a DB if you deploy on JBoss. Luke. -- Luke Taylor. Monkey Machine Ltd. PGP Key ID: 0x57E9523C http://www.monkeymachine.ltd.uk |
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From: Luke T. <ne...@fr...> - 2003-04-27 00:50:29
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Rod Johnson wrote: > > I can certainly see this logo working in well with an overall site design. > > My original thoughts for a logo were based around spring the season--maybe > based on a photo of budding trees or the like. But I badly lack graphical > flair. > Spring as a season sounds good. Maybe you could incorporate a Japanese cherry blossom symbol or something like that - they're nice and simple and make good logos: http://www.geobop.com/Symbols/flags/images/Japan/FukuokaSaga.gif http://www.fotw.ca/images/jp_pm-sc.gif I think "J2EE made easy" sounds a bit glib as a strapline... -- Luke Taylor. Monkey Machine Ltd. PGP Key ID: 0x57E9523C http://www.monkeymachine.ltd.uk |
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From: <jue...@we...> - 2003-04-27 00:37:22
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From: Tony F. <ton...@ya...> - 2003-04-26 23:41:20
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I like the rework. I agree with you though, some sort of simple logo image might go a long way - especially for marketing purposes. -----Original Message----- From: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf Of Travis Chase Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:26 PM To: spr...@li... Subject: [Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo Thanks for all the comments. I did a little rework and simplified it a bit. I like this one a lot. I hope you guys do as well. Thanks, Thomas for the idea, I think it fits great. Here is the url: http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text2.png What are everyone's thoughts on the cartoon. I was going with the idea of a Duke like character but using the standard database model icon as the base. We do not have to havi it in the logo, but I think it might give the page and Spring a marketable face. Just some thoughts, give me your input. Thanks, Travis ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Springframework-developer mailing list Spr...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Martin J. W. <ma...@do...> - 2003-04-26 22:33:31
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Hi Guys, Sorry to jump in here. But as a potential user of Spring I would say I'd like to see demos for Tomcat and MySQL. Just about everybody has this installed (especially MySQL). We also use Resin; but I'm not too worried about a demo for this, if Tomcat is supplied I'll write up a tutorial for Resin for the project (we don't actually run Tomcat, but since we've seen so many demos we can read and translate Tomcat examples for just about any server). Jboss is my second choice as it's our preferred app-server platform. Btw: we have another project entering prototyping in the next week. Do you think Spring is ready to be deployed in an early form? We would only be using it as a frontend technology to interface to an existing model. Regards, Marty > -----Original Message----- > From: spr...@li... > [mailto:spr...@li...] > On Behalf Of William G. Thompson, Jr. > Sent: Sunday, 27 April 2003 6:24 AM > To: Rod Johnson > Cc: Thomas Risberg; spr...@li... > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > +1 for HSQL. I've used with Japple open source project for demo > applications. The uPortal project also uses it for their > "quick-start" > download. It just works. > > later. > Bill > > > Rod Johnson wrote: > > +1 for HSQL. I've been evaluating Kodo JDO at work, and > their demo works > > very well with HSQL. No need to set it up: it just works. > Very important for > > a demo. > > > > Rod > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> > > To: <spr...@li...> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > > > > > >>Rod, > >> > >>Hypersonic is no longer in development - the source lives > on though in > >>the HSQL Database Engine (HSQLDB) Project. > >> > >>This is from their web site > >> > >>*---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> What is HSQLDB? > >> > >> * It is an Open Source Java Database > >> * It has standard SQL syntax and a JDBC interface > >> * HSQLDB is FREE to use and re-distribute > >> * It is compact > >> * It is very fast > >> * In-Memory, Standalone and Client/Server modes > >> * It can be used also in Applets > >> > >>More Features: > >> > >> * Indexes can be built and are used automatically > >> * Transactions are supported > >> * Joins between tables are possible > >> * Referential Integrity > >> * Java Stored Procedures and Functions are supported > >> * Database can create SQL scripts > >> * Security mechanism using users, passwords, access rights > >> * Can be compiled for Java 1.1 and Java 2 > >> > >>HSQLDB, based on HypersonicSQL, is a general purpose database. It is > >>very small and easy to install and use. It can be used in > applets, for > >>testing, as a distributed application, and for production purposes. > >>*---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>I have used it a little bit, and I think it has most of the features > >>that we would require. I think JBoss is still including some older > >>version of HSQLDB it in their install. > >> > >>The more I think about it, I think that this should be the default > >>target db. Hopefully we can provide sample code for MySQL, > Postgres and > >>Oracle as well. > >> > >>Thomas > >> > >> > >> > >>>What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's > > > > potentially > > > >>>zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities. > >> > >>Transactionality is a > >> > >>>must. > >>> > >>>Rod > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
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From: Travis C. <po...@su...> - 2003-04-26 21:27:59
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Thanks for all the comments. I did a little rework and simplified it a bit. I like this one a lot. I hope you guys do as well. Thanks, Thomas for the idea, I think it fits great. Here is the url: http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text2.png What are everyone's thoughts on the cartoon. I was going with the idea of a Duke like character but using the standard database model icon as the base. We do not have to havi it in the logo, but I think it might give the page and Spring a marketable face. Just some thoughts, give me your input. Thanks, Travis |
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From: William G. T. Jr. <wg...@rc...> - 2003-04-26 19:40:07
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+1 for HSQL. I've used with Japple open source project for demo applications. The uPortal project also uses it for their "quick-start" download. It just works. later. Bill Rod Johnson wrote: > +1 for HSQL. I've been evaluating Kodo JDO at work, and their demo works > very well with HSQL. No need to set it up: it just works. Very important for > a demo. > > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> > To: <spr...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > >>Rod, >> >>Hypersonic is no longer in development - the source lives on though in >>the HSQL Database Engine (HSQLDB) Project. >> >>This is from their web site >> >>*---------------------------------------------------------------- >> What is HSQLDB? >> >> * It is an Open Source Java Database >> * It has standard SQL syntax and a JDBC interface >> * HSQLDB is FREE to use and re-distribute >> * It is compact >> * It is very fast >> * In-Memory, Standalone and Client/Server modes >> * It can be used also in Applets >> >>More Features: >> >> * Indexes can be built and are used automatically >> * Transactions are supported >> * Joins between tables are possible >> * Referential Integrity >> * Java Stored Procedures and Functions are supported >> * Database can create SQL scripts >> * Security mechanism using users, passwords, access rights >> * Can be compiled for Java 1.1 and Java 2 >> >>HSQLDB, based on HypersonicSQL, is a general purpose database. It is >>very small and easy to install and use. It can be used in applets, for >>testing, as a distributed application, and for production purposes. >>*---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>I have used it a little bit, and I think it has most of the features >>that we would require. I think JBoss is still including some older >>version of HSQLDB it in their install. >> >>The more I think about it, I think that this should be the default >>target db. Hopefully we can provide sample code for MySQL, Postgres and >>Oracle as well. >> >>Thomas >> >> >> >>>What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's > > potentially > >>>zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities. >> >>Transactionality is a >> >>>must. >>> >>>Rod |
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From: Rod J. <rod...@in...> - 2003-04-26 19:20:29
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I'm impressed with Kodo. I actually made some changes to JdbcTemplate (new ResultSetExtracter interface) to allow it to work with custom SQL queries in Kodo. These will be useful elsewhere, though. Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> To: "Rod Johnson" <rod...@in...>; "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...>; <spr...@li...> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > What do you think of Kodo? I have been meaning to try it out as well, > but so far I have not had time to play with it. > > Thomas > > > +1 for HSQL. I've been evaluating Kodo JDO at work, and their demo works > > very well with HSQL. No need to set it up: it just works. Very > important for > > a demo. > > > > Rod > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> > > To: <spr...@li...> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > > > > > Rod, > > > > > > Hypersonic is no longer in development - the source lives on though in > > > the HSQL Database Engine (HSQLDB) Project. > > > > > > This is from their web site > > > > > > *---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > What is HSQLDB? > > > > > > * It is an Open Source Java Database > > > * It has standard SQL syntax and a JDBC interface > > > * HSQLDB is FREE to use and re-distribute > > > * It is compact > > > * It is very fast > > > * In-Memory, Standalone and Client/Server modes > > > * It can be used also in Applets > > > > > > More Features: > > > > > > * Indexes can be built and are used automatically > > > * Transactions are supported > > > * Joins between tables are possible > > > * Referential Integrity > > > * Java Stored Procedures and Functions are supported > > > * Database can create SQL scripts > > > * Security mechanism using users, passwords, access rights > > > * Can be compiled for Java 1.1 and Java 2 > > > > > > HSQLDB, based on HypersonicSQL, is a general purpose database. It is > > > very small and easy to install and use. It can be used in applets, for > > > testing, as a distributed application, and for production purposes. > > > *---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I have used it a little bit, and I think it has most of the features > > > that we would require. I think JBoss is still including some older > > > version of HSQLDB it in their install. > > > > > > The more I think about it, I think that this should be the default > > > target db. Hopefully we can provide sample code for MySQL, Postgres and > > > Oracle as well. > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's > > potentially > > > > zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities. > > > Transactionality is a > > > > must. > > > > > > > > Rod > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...> > > > > To: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> > > > > Cc: <spr...@li...> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:40 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > > > MySQL provides transactions, you just have to specify a table type > > that > > > > supports them (eg InnoDB). Oracle is much more powerful, I agree, but > > > who'd > > > > want to set up Oracle just to run a demo app? Plus it eats up a lot of > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Thomas Risberg wrote: > > > > > > I think Jean-Pierre raises some valid points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be nice to have the sample apps from the book work with > > > the 0.8 > > > > > > release of the framework. This should be avaialble in addition to > > the > > > > > > new demo app that we are developing. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would also be nice to have a very simple "entry level" app and > > > a more > > > > > > advanced one. I think we should limit the first one to the > > web-tier, > > > > > > infrastructure and data access parts of the framework. This app > > > should > > > > > > be able to run on Tomcat and a lightweight database like HSQL or > > maybe > > > > > > MySQL. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the more advanced one we should include AOP, Transactions, EJB > > and > > > > > > maybe some more advanced JDBC stuff. Here we could use JBoss and > > > a more > > > > > > robust database with transaction support. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Risberg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring > > > list. In > > > > > > > this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the > > > > > > > demo/tutorial. > > > > > > > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach > > > > > > > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are > > > making > > > > > > > all the sense of the framework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on > > the > > > > > > > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to > > > provide > > > > > > > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts > and a > > > > more > > > > > > > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily > > > start with > > > > > > > the framework and users interested by the more interesting > > > topics will > > > > > > > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I > > recognize > > > > > > > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. > Nevertheless > > > > Rod's > > > > > > > book is very helping for starting with Jboss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have > another > > > > > > > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring > > > > > > > framework? What is the best way today to found what have > > > changed? Have > > > > > > > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess > from > > > > here? > > > > > > > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > > > De : spr...@li... > > > > > > > > [mailto:spr...@li...] De > > la > > > > > > > part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 > 13:29 � > > : > > > > > > > spr...@li... > > > > > > > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this for a slogan : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J2EE made easy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Isabelle Muszynski > > > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > > > Zandweellaan 4 > > > > > > > 2660 Antwerpen > > > > > > > Belgium > > > > > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > > > > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > > > > > > Email: isa...@me... > > > > > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Thomas Risberg > > > > > > tri...@tr... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Isabelle Muszynski > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > Zandweellaan 4 > > > > > 2660 Antwerpen > > > > > Belgium > > > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > > > > Email: isa...@me... > > > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas Risberg > > > tri...@tr... > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > Spr...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > -- > Thomas Risberg > tri...@tr... > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: William G. T. Jr. <wg...@rc...> - 2003-04-26 19:19:55
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Nice job. I like the "i" as spring. This looks like a winner to me. Thomas Risberg wrote: > Travis, > > I like your logo. Especially the text part. I'm not sure about the > data store figure though. I took some some artistic liberties and > messed around a bit with your logo - hope you don't mind. The letters > got a bit jagged when I stretched the text, but I think you'll get an > idea of what I'm trying to do. > > Thomas Risberg > > >>I have an initial logo finished. Please take a look at it and give me > > feed back. I most of you like it I will proceed with creating the web > site in the color scheme of the logo. > >>To view the logo go to: >> >>http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text.png >> >>Thanks, >>-travis >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |
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From: Thomas R. <tri...@tr...> - 2003-04-26 18:45:17
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What do you think of Kodo? I have been meaning to try it out as well, but so far I have not had time to play with it. Thomas > +1 for HSQL. I've been evaluating Kodo JDO at work, and their demo works > very well with HSQL. No need to set it up: it just works. Very important for > a demo. > > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> > To: <spr...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > > Rod, > > > > Hypersonic is no longer in development - the source lives on though in > > the HSQL Database Engine (HSQLDB) Project. > > > > This is from their web site > > > > *---------------------------------------------------------------- > > What is HSQLDB? > > > > * It is an Open Source Java Database > > * It has standard SQL syntax and a JDBC interface > > * HSQLDB is FREE to use and re-distribute > > * It is compact > > * It is very fast > > * In-Memory, Standalone and Client/Server modes > > * It can be used also in Applets > > > > More Features: > > > > * Indexes can be built and are used automatically > > * Transactions are supported > > * Joins between tables are possible > > * Referential Integrity > > * Java Stored Procedures and Functions are supported > > * Database can create SQL scripts > > * Security mechanism using users, passwords, access rights > > * Can be compiled for Java 1.1 and Java 2 > > > > HSQLDB, based on HypersonicSQL, is a general purpose database. It is > > very small and easy to install and use. It can be used in applets, for > > testing, as a distributed application, and for production purposes. > > *---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I have used it a little bit, and I think it has most of the features > > that we would require. I think JBoss is still including some older > > version of HSQLDB it in their install. > > > > The more I think about it, I think that this should be the default > > target db. Hopefully we can provide sample code for MySQL, Postgres and > > Oracle as well. > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's > potentially > > > zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities. > > Transactionality is a > > > must. > > > > > > Rod > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...> > > > To: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> > > > Cc: <spr...@li...> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > MySQL provides transactions, you just have to specify a table type > that > > > supports them (eg InnoDB). Oracle is much more powerful, I agree, but > > who'd > > > want to set up Oracle just to run a demo app? Plus it eats up a lot of > > > resources. > > > > > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Thomas Risberg wrote: > > > > > I think Jean-Pierre raises some valid points here. > > > > > > > > > > It would be nice to have the sample apps from the book work with > > the 0.8 > > > > > release of the framework. This should be avaialble in addition to > the > > > > > new demo app that we are developing. > > > > > > > > > > It would also be nice to have a very simple "entry level" app and > > a more > > > > > advanced one. I think we should limit the first one to the > web-tier, > > > > > infrastructure and data access parts of the framework. This app > > should > > > > > be able to run on Tomcat and a lightweight database like HSQL or > maybe > > > > > MySQL. > > > > > > > > > > For the more advanced one we should include AOP, Transactions, EJB > and > > > > > maybe some more advanced JDBC stuff. Here we could use JBoss and > > a more > > > > > robust database with transaction support. > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Risberg > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring > > list. In > > > > > > this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the > > > > > > demo/tutorial. > > > > > > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach > > > > > > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are > > making > > > > > > all the sense of the framework > > > > > > > > > > > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on > the > > > > > > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to > > provide > > > > > > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a > > > more > > > > > > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily > > start with > > > > > > the framework and users interested by the more interesting > > topics will > > > > > > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I > recognize > > > > > > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless > > > Rod's > > > > > > book is very helping for starting with Jboss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another > > > > > > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 > from > > > the > > > > > > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring > > > > > > framework? What is the best way today to found what have > > changed? Have > > > > > > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from > > > here? > > > > > > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved > in > > > the > > > > > > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > > De : spr...@li... > > > > > > [mailto:spr...@li...] De > la > > > > > > part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 � > : > > > > > > spr...@li... > > > > > > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this for a slogan : > > > > > > > > > > > > J2EE made easy > > > > > > > > > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Isabelle Muszynski > > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > > Zandweellaan 4 > > > > > > 2660 Antwerpen > > > > > > Belgium > > > > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > > > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > > > > > Email: isa...@me... > > > > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Thomas Risberg > > > > > tri...@tr... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Isabelle Muszynski > > > > Software Engineer > > > > Zandweellaan 4 > > > > 2660 Antwerpen > > > > Belgium > > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > > > Email: isa...@me... > > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > Spr...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Risberg > > tri...@tr... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > -- Thomas Risberg tri...@tr... |
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From: Rod J. <rod...@in...> - 2003-04-26 18:03:21
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+1 for HSQL. I've been evaluating Kodo JDO at work, and their demo works very well with HSQL. No need to set it up: it just works. Very important for a demo. Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> To: <spr...@li...> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > Rod, > > Hypersonic is no longer in development - the source lives on though in > the HSQL Database Engine (HSQLDB) Project. > > This is from their web site > > *---------------------------------------------------------------- > What is HSQLDB? > > * It is an Open Source Java Database > * It has standard SQL syntax and a JDBC interface > * HSQLDB is FREE to use and re-distribute > * It is compact > * It is very fast > * In-Memory, Standalone and Client/Server modes > * It can be used also in Applets > > More Features: > > * Indexes can be built and are used automatically > * Transactions are supported > * Joins between tables are possible > * Referential Integrity > * Java Stored Procedures and Functions are supported > * Database can create SQL scripts > * Security mechanism using users, passwords, access rights > * Can be compiled for Java 1.1 and Java 2 > > HSQLDB, based on HypersonicSQL, is a general purpose database. It is > very small and easy to install and use. It can be used in applets, for > testing, as a distributed application, and for production purposes. > *---------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have used it a little bit, and I think it has most of the features > that we would require. I think JBoss is still including some older > version of HSQLDB it in their install. > > The more I think about it, I think that this should be the default > target db. Hopefully we can provide sample code for MySQL, Postgres and > Oracle as well. > > Thomas > > > > What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's potentially > > zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities. > Transactionality is a > > must. > > > > Rod > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...> > > To: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> > > Cc: <spr...@li...> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > MySQL provides transactions, you just have to specify a table type that > > supports them (eg InnoDB). Oracle is much more powerful, I agree, but > who'd > > want to set up Oracle just to run a demo app? Plus it eats up a lot of > > resources. > > > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Thomas Risberg wrote: > > > > I think Jean-Pierre raises some valid points here. > > > > > > > > It would be nice to have the sample apps from the book work with > the 0.8 > > > > release of the framework. This should be avaialble in addition to the > > > > new demo app that we are developing. > > > > > > > > It would also be nice to have a very simple "entry level" app and > a more > > > > advanced one. I think we should limit the first one to the web-tier, > > > > infrastructure and data access parts of the framework. This app > should > > > > be able to run on Tomcat and a lightweight database like HSQL or maybe > > > > MySQL. > > > > > > > > For the more advanced one we should include AOP, Transactions, EJB and > > > > maybe some more advanced JDBC stuff. Here we could use JBoss and > a more > > > > robust database with transaction support. > > > > > > > > Thomas Risberg > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring > list. In > > > > > this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the > > > > > demo/tutorial. > > > > > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach > > > > > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are > making > > > > > all the sense of the framework > > > > > > > > > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on the > > > > > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to > provide > > > > > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a > > more > > > > > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily > start with > > > > > the framework and users interested by the more interesting > topics will > > > > > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I recognize > > > > > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless > > Rod's > > > > > book is very helping for starting with Jboss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another > > > > > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 from > > the > > > > > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring > > > > > framework? What is the best way today to found what have > changed? Have > > > > > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from > > here? > > > > > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved in > > the > > > > > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK > > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > De : spr...@li... > > > > > [mailto:spr...@li...] De la > > > > > part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 � : > > > > > spr...@li... > > > > > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan > > > > > > > > > > How about this for a slogan : > > > > > > > > > > J2EE made easy > > > > > > > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Isabelle Muszynski > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > Zandweellaan 4 > > > > > 2660 Antwerpen > > > > > Belgium > > > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > > > > Email: isa...@me... > > > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thomas Risberg > > > > tri...@tr... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > > Spr...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Isabelle Muszynski > > > Software Engineer > > > Zandweellaan 4 > > > 2660 Antwerpen > > > Belgium > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > > Email: isa...@me... > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > Spr...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > -- > Thomas Risberg > tri...@tr... > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Thomas R. <tri...@tr...> - 2003-04-26 17:46:53
|
Rod,
Hypersonic is no longer in development - the source lives on though in
the HSQL Database Engine (HSQLDB) Project.
This is from their web site
*----------------------------------------------------------------
What is HSQLDB?
* It is an Open Source Java Database
* It has standard SQL syntax and a JDBC interface
* HSQLDB is FREE to use and re-distribute
* It is compact
* It is very fast
* In-Memory, Standalone and Client/Server modes
* It can be used also in Applets
More Features:
* Indexes can be built and are used automatically
* Transactions are supported
* Joins between tables are possible
* Referential Integrity
* Java Stored Procedures and Functions are supported
* Database can create SQL scripts
* Security mechanism using users, passwords, access rights
* Can be compiled for Java 1.1 and Java 2
HSQLDB, based on HypersonicSQL, is a general purpose database. It is
very small and easy to install and use. It can be used in applets, for
testing, as a distributed application, and for production purposes.
*----------------------------------------------------------------
I have used it a little bit, and I think it has most of the features
that we would require. I think JBoss is still including some older
version of HSQLDB it in their install.
The more I think about it, I think that this should be the default
target db. Hopefully we can provide sample code for MySQL, Postgres and
Oracle as well.
Thomas
> What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's potentially
> zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities.
Transactionality is a
> must.
>
> Rod
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...>
> To: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...>
> Cc: <spr...@li...>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos
>
>
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > MySQL provides transactions, you just have to specify a table type that
> supports them (eg InnoDB). Oracle is much more powerful, I agree, but
who'd
> want to set up Oracle just to run a demo app? Plus it eats up a lot of
> resources.
> >
> > Isabelle
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Thomas Risberg wrote:
> > > I think Jean-Pierre raises some valid points here.
> > >
> > > It would be nice to have the sample apps from the book work with
the 0.8
> > > release of the framework. This should be avaialble in addition to the
> > > new demo app that we are developing.
> > >
> > > It would also be nice to have a very simple "entry level" app and
a more
> > > advanced one. I think we should limit the first one to the web-tier,
> > > infrastructure and data access parts of the framework. This app
should
> > > be able to run on Tomcat and a lightweight database like HSQL or maybe
> > > MySQL.
> > >
> > > For the more advanced one we should include AOP, Transactions, EJB and
> > > maybe some more advanced JDBC stuff. Here we could use JBoss and
a more
> > > robust database with transaction support.
> > >
> > > Thomas Risberg
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring
list. In
> > > > this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the
> > > > demo/tutorial.
> > > > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach
> > > > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are
making
> > > > all the sense of the framework
> > > >
> > > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on the
> > > > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to
provide
> > > > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a
> more
> > > > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily
start with
> > > > the framework and users interested by the more interesting
topics will
> > > > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss.
> > > >
> > > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I recognize
> > > > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless
> Rod's
> > > > book is very helping for starting with Jboss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another
> > > > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 from
> the
> > > > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring
> > > > framework? What is the best way today to found what have
changed? Have
> > > > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from
> here?
> > > > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved in
> the
> > > > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed.
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK
> > > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : spr...@li...
> > > > [mailto:spr...@li...] De la
> > > > part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 � :
> > > > spr...@li...
> > > > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan
> > > >
> > > > How about this for a slogan :
> > > >
> > > > J2EE made easy
> > > >
> > > > Isabelle
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Isabelle Muszynski
> > > > Software Engineer
> > > > Zandweellaan 4
> > > > 2660 Antwerpen
> > > > Belgium
> > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54
> > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89
> > > > Email: isa...@me...
> > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > > > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> _______________________________________________
> > > > Springframework-developer mailing list
> > > > Spr...@li...
> > > >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > > > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Springframework-developer mailing list
> > > > Spr...@li...
> > > >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thomas Risberg
> > > tri...@tr...
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Springframework-developer mailing list
> > > Spr...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Isabelle Muszynski
> > Software Engineer
> > Zandweellaan 4
> > 2660 Antwerpen
> > Belgium
> > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54
> > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89
> > Email: isa...@me...
> > Website: www.meta-logix.com
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> > _______________________________________________
> > Springframework-developer mailing list
> > Spr...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> Welcome to geek heaven.
> http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> _______________________________________________
> Springframework-developer mailing list
> Spr...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer
>
>
--
Thomas Risberg
tri...@tr...
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From: Rod J. <rod...@in...> - 2003-04-26 16:47:00
|
What about Hypersonic? It seems well suited for demos as it's potentially zero configuration. But I don't know its capabilities. Transactionality is a must. Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...> To: "Thomas Risberg" <tri...@tr...> Cc: <spr...@li...> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Demos > Hi Thomas, > > MySQL provides transactions, you just have to specify a table type that supports them (eg InnoDB). Oracle is much more powerful, I agree, but who'd want to set up Oracle just to run a demo app? Plus it eats up a lot of resources. > > Isabelle > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Thomas Risberg wrote: > > I think Jean-Pierre raises some valid points here. > > > > It would be nice to have the sample apps from the book work with the 0.8 > > release of the framework. This should be avaialble in addition to the > > new demo app that we are developing. > > > > It would also be nice to have a very simple "entry level" app and a more > > advanced one. I think we should limit the first one to the web-tier, > > infrastructure and data access parts of the framework. This app should > > be able to run on Tomcat and a lightweight database like HSQL or maybe > > MySQL. > > > > For the more advanced one we should include AOP, Transactions, EJB and > > maybe some more advanced JDBC stuff. Here we could use JBoss and a more > > robust database with transaction support. > > > > Thomas Risberg > > > > > Hello, > > > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring list. In > > > this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the > > > demo/tutorial. > > > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach > > > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are making > > > all the sense of the framework > > > > > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on the > > > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to provide > > > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a more > > > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily start with > > > the framework and users interested by the more interesting topics will > > > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. > > > > > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I recognize > > > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless Rod's > > > book is very helping for starting with Jboss. > > > > > > > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another > > > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 from the > > > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring > > > framework? What is the best way today to found what have changed? Have > > > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from here? > > > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved in the > > > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. > > > > > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : spr...@li... > > > [mailto:spr...@li...] De la > > > part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 � : > > > spr...@li... > > > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan > > > > > > How about this for a slogan : > > > > > > J2EE made easy > > > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > -- > > > Isabelle Muszynski > > > Software Engineer > > > Zandweellaan 4 > > > 2660 Antwerpen > > > Belgium > > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > > Email: isa...@me... > > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > Spr...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > > Spr...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Risberg > > tri...@tr... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > -- > Isabelle Muszynski > Software Engineer > Zandweellaan 4 > 2660 Antwerpen > Belgium > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > Email: isa...@me... > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-04-26 16:40:44
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Hi Thomas, MySQL provides transactions, you just have to specify a table type that supports them (eg InnoDB). Oracle is much more powerful, I agree, but who'd want to set up Oracle just to run a demo app? Plus it eats up a lot of resources. Isabelle On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Thomas Risberg wrote: > I think Jean-Pierre raises some valid points here. > > It would be nice to have the sample apps from the book work with the 0.8 > release of the framework. This should be avaialble in addition to the > new demo app that we are developing. > > It would also be nice to have a very simple "entry level" app and a more > advanced one. I think we should limit the first one to the web-tier, > infrastructure and data access parts of the framework. This app should > be able to run on Tomcat and a lightweight database like HSQL or maybe > MySQL. > > For the more advanced one we should include AOP, Transactions, EJB and > maybe some more advanced JDBC stuff. Here we could use JBoss and a more > robust database with transaction support. > > Thomas Risberg > > > Hello, > > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring list. In > > this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the > > demo/tutorial. > > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach > > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are making > > all the sense of the framework > > > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on the > > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to provide > > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a more > > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily start with > > the framework and users interested by the more interesting topics will > > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. > > > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I recognize > > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless Rod's > > book is very helping for starting with Jboss. > > > > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another > > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 from the > > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring > > framework? What is the best way today to found what have changed? Have > > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from here? > > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved in the > > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. > > > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : spr...@li... > > [mailto:spr...@li...] De la > > part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 à : > > spr...@li... > > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan > > > > How about this for a slogan : > > > > J2EE made easy > > > > Isabelle > > > > -- > > Isabelle Muszynski > > Software Engineer > > Zandweellaan 4 > > 2660 Antwerpen > > Belgium > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > Email: isa...@me... > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > -- > Thomas Risberg > tri...@tr... > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: Thomas R. <tri...@tr...> - 2003-04-26 16:20:27
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I think Jean-Pierre raises some valid points here. It would be nice to have the sample apps from the book work with the 0.8 release of the framework. This should be avaialble in addition to the new demo app that we are developing. It would also be nice to have a very simple "entry level" app and a more advanced one. I think we should limit the first one to the web-tier, infrastructure and data access parts of the framework. This app should be able to run on Tomcat and a lightweight database like HSQL or maybe MySQL. For the more advanced one we should include AOP, Transactions, EJB and maybe some more advanced JDBC stuff. Here we could use JBoss and a more robust database with transaction support. Thomas Risberg > Hello, > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring list. In > this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the > demo/tutorial. > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are making > all the sense of the framework > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on the > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to provide > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a more > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily start with > the framework and users interested by the more interesting topics will > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I recognize > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless Rod's > book is very helping for starting with Jboss. > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 from the > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring > framework? What is the best way today to found what have changed? Have > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from here? > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved in the > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : spr...@li... > [mailto:spr...@li...] De la > part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 À : > spr...@li... > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan > > How about this for a slogan : > > J2EE made easy > > Isabelle > > -- > Isabelle Muszynski > Software Engineer > Zandweellaan 4 > 2660 Antwerpen > Belgium > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > Email: isa...@me... > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Thomas Risberg tri...@tr... |
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From: Kopylenko, D. <dko...@ac...> - 2003-04-26 16:13:16
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Isabelle, >(1) JBoss is hard to get to work for beginners I would have to disagree with you on that one. JBoss is very simple to set up and deploy on. In fact it's much more easier and straight forward to use JBoss for me than to use Tomcat (plus it provides transactional datasource connection pooling, JTA support, etc. out of the box) Regards, Dmitriy. -----Original Message----- From: Isabelle Muszynski To: Rod Johnson Cc: spr...@li... Sent: 4/26/2003 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial : comments invited Hi Rod, everyone, The problem as I see it is (1) JBoss is hard to get to work for beginners (2) everyone has tomcat or has read a book covering tomcat (3) Orion has a good rep, as does JRun which is free for developers (4) Weblogic is very good, I've heard that the 8.1 download is valid for a year, but otherwise it's out because it's too expensive. I use it at my day job as well, which probably means the team has an accumulated expertise concerning Weblogic (what is everyone else using?) Maybe we should Tomcat for as far as it takes us, and then have a "stage" in the turorial that covers migration to an application server (we'll need to settle on one). Isabelle On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:06:36PM +0100, Rod Johnson wrote: > Sounds good. > > Only issue with Tomcat is that we should demonstrate transaction management > using Spring, rather than relying on JDBC autocommit. (I will try to add an > implementation using AOP transaction management to demonstrate that as > well.) > > Tomcat doesn't come with JTA out of the box, but can be integrated with > Tyrex. Just wondering how best we can help readers do this. > > I'm planning to work with Orion myself (WebLogic in my day job), but of > course it's not open source. > > Regards, > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...> > To: "Ken Krebs" <kk...@kk...> > Cc: <spr...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:34 AM > Subject: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial : comments > invited > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Sounds good to me. As a matter of fact, my next step was going to be > writing the use cases and scenarios for the demo. But if you want to do it, > fine, and I'll review them. We have received a one-month license for > MagicDraw (www.nomagic.com), and will probably be getting complimentary > permanent licences after that. I'll send you the license in a separate mail. > > I think we should aim to both keep the demo simple as far as business > logic goes, and professional as far as the code goes. So we are definitely > on the same wavelength on that matter. > > > > Isabelle > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:43:06PM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote: > > > Isabelle, > > > > > > This works well for me. I have been using Tomcat (4.1.18) and mySQL > > > (3.23.53) for my own experimentations with Spring using Java 1.4.1_01. I > > > think it is a good idea to stay away from advanced database features and > > > use only very basic, least common denominator SQL for this demo/tutorial > > > as much as possible. This would make it easy for potential users to > > > modify it for use with their own preferred database. > > > > > > I understand perfectly the need to build the demo in an incremental > fashion. > > > > > > I think we need to have a good idea of what it is we want to accomplish > > > in each of the stages and in the demo/tutorial as a whole. It seems to > > > me that the demo/tutorial is an important sales tool for the framework. > > > As such, we should have some pretty clear goals of what features and > > > advantages of using the framework are to be demonstrated in the > > > demo/tutorial. It should reinforce whatever is going to be in the Spring > > > Introduction and/or Mission Statement page at the website. > > > > > > I will get started by laying out an application file/directory structure > > > and Ant build script. I will also start listing display pages and use > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will assume the following unless it is otherwise agreed: > > > > > > The view technology will be JSP and JSTL (no scriptlets). > > > Production quality code and exception handling should be the rule. > > > The pages, at least in the initial stage will be very simple views > > > without style sheets, headers/footers/menus, or internationalization. > > > > > > > > > Comments please. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > Isabelle Muszynski wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Ken, > > > > > > > >If you feel up to it, get started on the petclinic. The idea is to > develop > > > >something a la Petstore, only it's a pet clinic this time. I have the > > > >tables script for Oracle, but actually I feel it would be better to do > the > > > >demo on mySQL primarily. I can get you a tables script for mySQL by > > > >tomorrow evening my time. > > > >The table structure so far is not complete, as it doesn't allow for > owners > > > >to make appointments for their pets. But we should start out simply, so > > > >from the point of view of the vets treating animals. > > > >Since we are not going to be using beans and complex transactions in > the > > > >beginning, I think we could go for tomcat as a web container. > > > >It's important that you build the demo in incremental steps called > stages, > > > >and that each stage consist of a set of source code, build files and > > > >documentation. You can do the documentation free form in a text file, > and > > > >I'll take care of incorporating it into the master set of docs. Make > sure > > > >you explain everything you do in code, it's better to have too much > > > >explanations than too little. > > > > > > > >Isabelle > > > > > > > >On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Isabelle, > > > >> > > > >>Rod has OK'ed me to work on the project. How can I get started helping > > > >>you ? > > > >> > > > >>Regards, > > > >>Ken > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Isabelle Muszynski > > Software Engineer > > Zandweellaan 4 > > 2660 Antwerpen > > Belgium > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > Email: isa...@me... > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Springframework-developer mailing list Spr...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-04-26 16:12:36
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Hi Thomas, I really like your logo. It comes over as more professional than Travis's first try. Maybe Travis can rework it and sharpen it up, and maybe apply some 3D effects. Isabelle On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 11:52:59AM -0400, Thomas Risberg wrote: > Travis, > > I like your logo. Especially the text part. I'm not sure about the > data store figure though. I took some some artistic liberties and > messed around a bit with your logo - hope you don't mind. The letters > got a bit jagged when I stretched the text, but I think you'll get an > idea of what I'm trying to do. > > Thomas Risberg > > > I have an initial logo finished. Please take a look at it and give me > feed back. I most of you like it I will proceed with creating the web > site in the color scheme of the logo. > > > > To view the logo go to: > > > > http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text.png > > > > Thanks, > > -travis > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > -- > Thomas Risberg > tri...@tr... -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-04-26 16:09:57
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Hi Luke, I agree it's simple as long as nothing goes wrong. But when it does, it's not always easy to figure out what to do. Isabelle On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 03:41:22PM +0100, Luke Taylor wrote: > Isabelle Muszynski wrote: > >Hi Rod, everyone, > > > >The problem as I see it is > > > >(1) JBoss is hard to get to work for beginners > > Why do you say this? I don't see that it's very hard to get a demo > running on JBoss. Once you have a war or ear file, all you have to do is > start JBoss and drop it in the deploy directory. That's about as simple > as it gets. > > You also have the option of using the JBoss-Tomcat version and only > using the additional features as you require them. > > Luke. > > -- > Luke Taylor. Monkey Machine Ltd. > PGP Key ID: 0x57E9523C http://www.monkeymachine.ltd.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: Thomas R. <tri...@tr...> - 2003-04-26 15:53:12
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Travis, I like your logo. Especially the text part. I'm not sure about the data store figure though. I took some some artistic liberties and messed around a bit with your logo - hope you don't mind. The letters got a bit jagged when I stretched the text, but I think you'll get an idea of what I'm trying to do. Thomas Risberg > I have an initial logo finished. Please take a look at it and give me feed back. I most of you like it I will proceed with creating the web site in the color scheme of the logo. > > To view the logo go to: > > http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text.png > > Thanks, > -travis > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Thomas Risberg tri...@tr... |
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From: Luke T. <ne...@fr...> - 2003-04-26 14:41:29
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Isabelle Muszynski wrote: > Hi Rod, everyone, > > The problem as I see it is > > (1) JBoss is hard to get to work for beginners Why do you say this? I don't see that it's very hard to get a demo running on JBoss. Once you have a war or ear file, all you have to do is start JBoss and drop it in the deploy directory. That's about as simple as it gets. You also have the option of using the JBoss-Tomcat version and only using the additional features as you require them. Luke. -- Luke Taylor. Monkey Machine Ltd. PGP Key ID: 0x57E9523C http://www.monkeymachine.ltd.uk |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-04-26 13:47:35
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Hi Jean-Pierre, As a matter of fact we are not forgetting the simple samples, I am doing them myself. Each sample will illustrate one piece of functionality. One problem with the original samples of the book is that they don't work off the box with the framework the way it stands today. If anyone has ported them, I'd love to hear of it and maybe we can get the code and publish it. Isabelle On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 03:17:16PM +0200, JP PAWLAK(Tiscali) wrote: > Hello, > Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring list. > In this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the > demo/tutorial. > 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach > 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are making > all the sense of the framework > > Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on the > first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to provide > both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a more > advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily start with > the framework and users interested by the more interesting topics will > normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. > > I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I recognize > that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless Rod's > book is very helping for starting with Jboss. > > > In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another > question: having two applications working with the initial i21 from the > book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring > framework? What is the best way today to found what have changed? Have > we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from here? > It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved in the > development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. > > Jean-Pierre PAWLAK > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : spr...@li... > [mailto:spr...@li...] De la > part de Isabelle Muszynski > Envoyé : samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 > à: spr...@li... > Objet : [Springframework-developer] slogan > > How about this for a slogan : > > J2EE made easy > > Isabelle > > -- > Isabelle Muszynski > Software Engineer > Zandweellaan 4 > 2660 Antwerpen > Belgium > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > Email: isa...@me... > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: JP PAWLAK\(Tiscali\) <jp....@ti...> - 2003-04-26 13:21:12
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Hello, Not writing a lot these times, I follow constantly the Spring list. In this discussion, I see clearly that we have two goals with the demo/tutorial. 1) For the beginners: telling about the main Spring approach 2) For advanced users: telling about advanced features that are making all the sense of the framework Both have to be founding a real aid. Isabelle is concentrated on the first, but the seconds don't to be ignored. Perhaps we have to provide both separately: A very simple demo on Tomcat for the firsts and a more advanced on Jboss for the others. So everybody could easily start with the framework and users interested by the more interesting topics will normally not be afraid by installing Jboss. =20 I don't agree when you say Jboss is too complicated, but I recognize that it's not the same level of difficulty as Tomcat. Nevertheless Rod's book is very helping for starting with Jboss. In this topic, so long as no documentation is done, I have another question: having two applications working with the initial i21 from the book, is it too early to thinking on passing them on the Spring framework? What is the best way today to found what have changed? Have we only the sources and the list discussion, having to guess from here? It's certainly clear in the mind of a few people deeply involved in the development, but personally, I'm a quite loosed. Jean-Pierre PAWLAK -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] De la part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoy=E9=A0: samedi 26 avril 2003 13:29 = =C0=A0: spr...@li... Objet=A0: [Springframework-developer] slogan How about this for a slogan : J2EE made easy Isabelle --=20 Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Springframework-developer mailing list Spr...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-04-26 11:29:17
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How about this for a slogan : J2EE made easy Isabelle -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-04-26 11:28:56
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Hi Rod, everyone, The problem as I see it is (1) JBoss is hard to get to work for beginners (2) everyone has tomcat or has read a book covering tomcat (3) Orion has a good rep, as does JRun which is free for developers (4) Weblogic is very good, I've heard that the 8.1 download is valid for a year, but otherwise it's out because it's too expensive. I use it at my day job as well, which probably means the team has an accumulated expertise concerning Weblogic (what is everyone else using?) Maybe we should Tomcat for as far as it takes us, and then have a "stage" in the turorial that covers migration to an application server (we'll need to settle on one). Isabelle On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:06:36PM +0100, Rod Johnson wrote: > Sounds good. > > Only issue with Tomcat is that we should demonstrate transaction management > using Spring, rather than relying on JDBC autocommit. (I will try to add an > implementation using AOP transaction management to demonstrate that as > well.) > > Tomcat doesn't come with JTA out of the box, but can be integrated with > Tyrex. Just wondering how best we can help readers do this. > > I'm planning to work with Orion myself (WebLogic in my day job), but of > course it's not open source. > > Regards, > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...> > To: "Ken Krebs" <kk...@kk...> > Cc: <spr...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:34 AM > Subject: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial : comments > invited > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Sounds good to me. As a matter of fact, my next step was going to be > writing the use cases and scenarios for the demo. But if you want to do it, > fine, and I'll review them. We have received a one-month license for > MagicDraw (www.nomagic.com), and will probably be getting complimentary > permanent licences after that. I'll send you the license in a separate mail. > > I think we should aim to both keep the demo simple as far as business > logic goes, and professional as far as the code goes. So we are definitely > on the same wavelength on that matter. > > > > Isabelle > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:43:06PM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote: > > > Isabelle, > > > > > > This works well for me. I have been using Tomcat (4.1.18) and mySQL > > > (3.23.53) for my own experimentations with Spring using Java 1.4.1_01. I > > > think it is a good idea to stay away from advanced database features and > > > use only very basic, least common denominator SQL for this demo/tutorial > > > as much as possible. This would make it easy for potential users to > > > modify it for use with their own preferred database. > > > > > > I understand perfectly the need to build the demo in an incremental > fashion. > > > > > > I think we need to have a good idea of what it is we want to accomplish > > > in each of the stages and in the demo/tutorial as a whole. It seems to > > > me that the demo/tutorial is an important sales tool for the framework. > > > As such, we should have some pretty clear goals of what features and > > > advantages of using the framework are to be demonstrated in the > > > demo/tutorial. It should reinforce whatever is going to be in the Spring > > > Introduction and/or Mission Statement page at the website. > > > > > > I will get started by laying out an application file/directory structure > > > and Ant build script. I will also start listing display pages and use > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will assume the following unless it is otherwise agreed: > > > > > > The view technology will be JSP and JSTL (no scriptlets). > > > Production quality code and exception handling should be the rule. > > > The pages, at least in the initial stage will be very simple views > > > without style sheets, headers/footers/menus, or internationalization. > > > > > > > > > Comments please. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > Isabelle Muszynski wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Ken, > > > > > > > >If you feel up to it, get started on the petclinic. The idea is to > develop > > > >something a la Petstore, only it's a pet clinic this time. I have the > > > >tables script for Oracle, but actually I feel it would be better to do > the > > > >demo on mySQL primarily. I can get you a tables script for mySQL by > > > >tomorrow evening my time. > > > >The table structure so far is not complete, as it doesn't allow for > owners > > > >to make appointments for their pets. But we should start out simply, so > > > >from the point of view of the vets treating animals. > > > >Since we are not going to be using beans and complex transactions in > the > > > >beginning, I think we could go for tomcat as a web container. > > > >It's important that you build the demo in incremental steps called > stages, > > > >and that each stage consist of a set of source code, build files and > > > >documentation. You can do the documentation free form in a text file, > and > > > >I'll take care of incorporating it into the master set of docs. Make > sure > > > >you explain everything you do in code, it's better to have too much > > > >explanations than too little. > > > > > > > >Isabelle > > > > > > > >On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Isabelle, > > > >> > > > >>Rod has OK'ed me to work on the project. How can I get started helping > > > >>you ? > > > >> > > > >>Regards, > > > >>Ken > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Isabelle Muszynski > > Software Engineer > > Zandweellaan 4 > > 2660 Antwerpen > > Belgium > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > Email: isa...@me... > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... 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