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Re: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial : comments invited

[Rod J. <rod...@in...>]

Sounds good.

Only issue with Tomcat is that we should demonstrate transaction management
using Spring, rather than relying on JDBC autocommit. (I will try to add an
implementation using AOP transaction management to demonstrate that as
well.)

Tomcat doesn't come with JTA out of the box, but can be integrated with
Tyrex. Just wondering how best we can help readers do this.

I'm planning to work with Orion myself (WebLogic in my day job), but of
course it's not open source.

Regards,
Rod

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...>
To: "Ken Krebs" <kk...@kk...>
Cc: <spr...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial : comments
invited


> Hi Ken,
>
> Sounds good to me. As a matter of fact, my next step was going to be
writing the use cases and scenarios for the demo. But if you want to do it,
fine, and I'll review them. We have received a one-month license for
MagicDraw (www.nomagic.com), and will probably be getting complimentary
permanent licences after that. I'll send you the license in a separate mail.
> I think we should aim to both keep the demo simple as far as business
logic goes, and professional as far as the code goes. So we are definitely
on the same wavelength on that matter.
>
> Isabelle
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:43:06PM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
> > Isabelle,
> >
> > This works well for me. I have been using Tomcat (4.1.18) and mySQL
> > (3.23.53) for my own experimentations with Spring using Java 1.4.1_01. I
> > think it is a good idea to stay away from advanced database features and
> > use only very basic, least common denominator SQL for this demo/tutorial
> > as much as possible. This would make it easy for potential users to
> > modify it for use with their own preferred database.
> >
> > I understand perfectly the need to build the demo in an incremental
fashion.
> >
> > I think we need to have a good idea of what it is we want to accomplish
> > in each of the stages and in the demo/tutorial as a whole. It seems to
> > me that the demo/tutorial is an important sales tool for the framework.
> > As such, we should have some pretty clear goals of what features and
> > advantages of using the framework are to be demonstrated in the
> > demo/tutorial. It should reinforce whatever is going to be in the Spring
> > Introduction and/or Mission Statement page at the website.
> >
> > I will get started by laying out an application file/directory structure
> > and Ant build script. I will also start listing display pages and use
cases.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will assume the following unless it is otherwise agreed:
> >
> > The view technology will be JSP and JSTL (no scriptlets).
> > Production quality code and exception handling should be the rule.
> > The pages, at least in the initial stage will be very simple views
> > without style sheets, headers/footers/menus, or internationalization.
> >
> >
> > Comments please.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > Isabelle Muszynski wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Ken,
> > >
> > >If you feel up to it, get started on the petclinic. The idea is to
develop
> > >something a la Petstore, only it's a pet clinic this time. I have the
> > >tables script for Oracle, but actually I feel it would be better to do
the
> > >demo on mySQL primarily. I can get you a tables script for mySQL by
> > >tomorrow evening my time.
> > >The table structure so far is not complete, as it doesn't allow for
owners
> > >to make appointments for their pets. But we should start out simply, so
> > >from the point of view of the vets treating animals.
> > >Since we are not going to be using beans and complex transactions in
the
> > >beginning, I think we could go for tomcat as a web container.
> > >It's important that you build the demo in incremental steps called
stages,
> > >and that each stage consist of a set of source code, build files and
> > >documentation. You can do the documentation free form in a text file,
and
> > >I'll take care of incorporating it into the master set of docs. Make
sure
> > >you explain everything you do in code, it's better to have too much
> > >explanations than too little.
> > >
> > >Isabelle
> > >
> > >On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Isabelle,
> > >>
> > >>Rod has OK'ed me to work on the project. How can I get started helping
> > >>you ?
> > >>
> > >>Regards,
> > >>Ken
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Isabelle Muszynski
> Software Engineer
> Zandweellaan 4
> 2660 Antwerpen
> Belgium
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[Springframework-developer] Mission statement

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi everyone,
Please come up each of you with a one or two sentence mission statement for Spring. This would help for both the logo and web site.

My attempt :

The Spring Framework aims to provide an industrial-strength framework for J2EE applications. It provides abstractions for configuration, data access, web tier MVC setup, and more.

Isabelle

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Re: [Springframework-developer] Re: config editor for spring + WIKI

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi Brett,

I like the idea of a web page. We should have a Planned Features section anywayfor things planned in future releases, and a TODO section for things to be done in the current release. We need to show the world that we know where we are going.

Isabelle

On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 10:03:18AM +0100, Brett Bell wrote:
> Hi Rod, Isabelle.
> 
> It's good to hear that you like the idea of a config editor for Spring. 
> It will help me learn a few new tricks in the process so I hope you don't
> need something too quickly.  I will do my best to develop the concept and
> incorporate all your ideas.
> 
> If possible, can I grab a page on the spring website to document what I am
> doing?  Setting up a WIKI would be ideal and others could use it too.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Brett
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial : comments invited

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi Ken,

Sounds good to me. As a matter of fact, my next step was going to be writing the use cases and scenarios for the demo. But if you want to do it, fine, and I'll review them. We have received a one-month license for MagicDraw (www.nomagic.com), and will probably be getting complimentary permanent licences after that. I'll send you the license in a separate mail.
I think we should aim to both keep the demo simple as far as business logic goes, and professional as far as the code goes. So we are definitely on the same wavelength on that matter.

Isabelle

On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:43:06PM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
> Isabelle,
> 
> This works well for me. I have been using Tomcat (4.1.18) and mySQL 
> (3.23.53) for my own experimentations with Spring using Java 1.4.1_01. I 
> think it is a good idea to stay away from advanced database features and 
> use only very basic, least common denominator SQL for this demo/tutorial 
> as much as possible. This would make it easy for potential users to 
> modify it for use with their own preferred database.
> 
> I understand perfectly the need to build the demo in an incremental fashion.
> 
> I think we need to have a good idea of what it is we want to accomplish 
> in each of the stages and in the demo/tutorial as a whole. It seems to 
> me that the demo/tutorial is an important sales tool for the framework. 
> As such, we should have some pretty clear goals of what features and 
> advantages of using the framework are to be demonstrated in the 
> demo/tutorial. It should reinforce whatever is going to be in the Spring 
> Introduction and/or Mission Statement page at the website.
> 
> I will get started by laying out an application file/directory structure 
> and Ant build script. I will also start listing display pages and use cases.
> 
> 
> 
> I will assume the following unless it is otherwise agreed:
> 
> The view technology will be JSP and JSTL (no scriptlets).
> Production quality code and exception handling should be the rule.
> The pages, at least in the initial stage will be very simple views 
> without style sheets, headers/footers/menus, or internationalization.
> 
> 
> Comments please.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> Isabelle Muszynski wrote:
> 
> >Hi Ken,
> >
> >If you feel up to it, get started on the petclinic. The idea is to develop 
> >something a la Petstore, only it's a pet clinic this time. I have the 
> >tables script for Oracle, but actually I feel it would be better to do the 
> >demo on mySQL primarily. I can get you a tables script for mySQL by 
> >tomorrow evening my time.
> >The table structure so far is not complete, as it doesn't allow for owners 
> >to make appointments for their pets. But we should start out simply, so 
> >from the point of view of the vets treating animals.
> >Since we are not going to be using beans and complex transactions in the 
> >beginning, I think we could go for tomcat as a web container.
> >It's important that you build the demo in incremental steps called stages, 
> >and that each stage consist of a set of source code, build files and 
> >documentation. You can do the documentation free form in a text file, and 
> >I'll take care of incorporating it into the master set of docs. Make sure 
> >you explain everything you do in code, it's better to have too much 
> >explanations than too little.
> >
> >Isabelle
> >
> >On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>Isabelle,
> >>
> >>Rod has OK'ed me to work on the project. How can I get started helping 
> >>you ?
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   
> >>
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Isabelle Muszynski
Software Engineer
Zandweellaan 4
2660 Antwerpen
Belgium
Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54
Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89
Email: isa...@me...
Website: www.meta-logix.com

Re: [Springframework-developer] Re: config editor for spring + WIKI

[Rod J. <rod...@in...>]

Brett,

> It's good to hear that you like the idea of a config editor for Spring.
> It will help me learn a few new tricks in the process so I hope you don't
> need something too quickly.  I will do my best to develop the concept and
> incorporate all your ideas.
I think this is a beyond 1.0 issue, so no hurry.

I like the idea of a web page. I think it's important in the long term, so
it would be great to let developers know what's planned in the way of GUI
tools.

Regards,
Rod

[Springframework-developer] Re: config editor for spring + WIKI

[Brett B. <br...@po...>]

Hi Rod, Isabelle.

It's good to hear that you like the idea of a config editor for Spring. 
It will help me learn a few new tricks in the process so I hope you don't
need something too quickly.  I will do my best to develop the concept and
incorporate all your ideas.

If possible, can I grab a page on the spring website to document what I am
doing?  Setting up a WIKI would be ideal and others could use it too.

Cheers


Brett

Re: [Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo

[Rod J. <rod...@in...>]

Travis,

I agree with Dmitriy: data access is only part of the story. Spring today
includes a lot more, such as:

- beans-based configuration management
- JDBC abstraction
- transaction management abstraction
- AOP packages, which will soon offer declarative transaction-management
without the need for EJB
- highly modular MVC web solution
- package simplifying accessing EJBs

Overall there's a strong emphasis on JavaBeans and interfaces, as discussed
in the book, and it aims to simplify use of J2EE.

I like the colours and the 2-colour SpringFramework on the right with a
shaded blue bar underneath. However, the text should change. Maybe we need a
slogan: something would look good where you have "Practical Data Access" but
I don't think we have suitable text yet. Maybe leave the bar unworded for
now and add text later when we think of something.

I like the idea of including a spring somewhere.

I think the character on the left could be reworked a bit. Not sure what the
blue puddle to the left of him/her is and the datastore text should probably
go.

I can certainly see this logo working in well with an overall site design.

My original thoughts for a logo were based around spring the season--maybe
based on a photo of budding trees or the like. But I badly lack graphical
flair.

Juergen, Yann et al: thoughts on this?

Regards,
Rod

----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Chase" <po...@su...>
To: <spr...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:52 AM
Subject: [Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo


> I have an initial logo finished.  Please take a look at it and give me
feed back.  I most of you like it I will proceed with creating the web site
in the color scheme of the logo.
>
> To view the logo go to:
>
> http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text.png
>
> Thanks,
> -travis
>
>
>
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RE: [Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo

[Tony F. <ton...@ya...>]

I like the logo.  Is there any way to perhaps incorporate a "puzzle
piece", "building blocks", "scaffold", or "building foundation" concept
into it?  When I think of framework, I think of any of the above. 



-----Original Message-----
From: spr...@li...
[mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf
Of Travis Chase
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:52 PM
To: spr...@li...
Subject: [Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo

I have an initial logo finished.  Please take a look at it and give me
feed back.  I most of you like it I will proceed with creating the web
site in the color scheme of the logo.

To view the logo go to:

http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text.png

Thanks,
-travis



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RE: [Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo

[Kopylenko, D. <dko...@ac...>]

 `Looks good, but I wouldn't say that Spring acomplishes only "data access"
goal. :-)

Dmitriy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Travis Chase
To: spr...@li...
Sent: 4/25/2003 8:52 PM
Subject: [Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo

I have an initial logo finished.  Please take a look at it and give me
feed back.  I most of you like it I will proceed with creating the web
site in the color scheme of the logo.

To view the logo go to:

http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text.png

Thanks,
-travis



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[Springframework-developer] Spring Framework Logo

[Travis C. <po...@su...>]

I have an initial logo finished.  Please take a look at it and give me feed back.  I most of you like it I will proceed with creating the web site in the color scheme of the logo.

To view the logo go to:

http://www.supercodepoet.com/spring/logo_text.png

Thanks,
-travis

[Springframework-developer] Logo design and What Is the Spring Framework.

[Travis C. <tra...@le...>]

Ok, I have started to mess around with some logo design and having a =
little trouble coming up with something creative.  I need a little help. =
 Please give a paragraph explanation of what is the Spring Framework, =
what is it trying to accomplish and how the name Spring Framework cam =
about.

Thanks,

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Travis L. Chase
Microsoft Certified Solutions Developer (MCSD)
Senior Programmer Analyst
Leggett & Platt, Inc.
tra...@le...
417-358-8131 ext.3865
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living=20
 thing can go against it." - G. K. Chesterton

"Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which=20
 is an elegant name for ignorance." - G. K. Chesterton

=20

[Springframework-developer] Spring demo & tutorial : comments invited

[Ken K. <kk...@kk...>]

Isabelle,

This works well for me. I have been using Tomcat (4.1.18) and mySQL 
(3.23.53) for my own experimentations with Spring using Java 1.4.1_01. I 
think it is a good idea to stay away from advanced database features and 
use only very basic, least common denominator SQL for this demo/tutorial 
as much as possible. This would make it easy for potential users to 
modify it for use with their own preferred database.

I understand perfectly the need to build the demo in an incremental fashion.

I think we need to have a good idea of what it is we want to accomplish 
in each of the stages and in the demo/tutorial as a whole. It seems to 
me that the demo/tutorial is an important sales tool for the framework. 
As such, we should have some pretty clear goals of what features and 
advantages of using the framework are to be demonstrated in the 
demo/tutorial. It should reinforce whatever is going to be in the Spring 
Introduction and/or Mission Statement page at the website.

I will get started by laying out an application file/directory structure 
and Ant build script. I will also start listing display pages and use cases.



I will assume the following unless it is otherwise agreed:

The view technology will be JSP and JSTL (no scriptlets).
Production quality code and exception handling should be the rule.
The pages, at least in the initial stage will be very simple views 
without style sheets, headers/footers/menus, or internationalization.


Comments please.

Ken



Isabelle Muszynski wrote:

>Hi Ken,
>
>If you feel up to it, get started on the petclinic. The idea is to develop something a la Petstore, only it's a pet clinic this time. I have the tables script for Oracle, but actually I feel it would be better to do the demo on mySQL primarily. I can get you a tables script for mySQL by tomorrow evening my time.
>The table structure so far is not complete, as it doesn't allow for owners to make appointments for their pets. But we should start out simply, so from the point of view of the vets treating animals.
>Since we are not going to be using beans and complex transactions in the beginning, I think we could go for tomcat as a web container.
>It's important that you build the demo in incremental steps called stages, and that each stage consist of a set of source code, build files and documentation. You can do the documentation free form in a text file, and I'll take care of incorporating it into the master set of docs. Make sure you explain everything you do in code, it's better to have too much explanations than too little.
>
>Isabelle
>
>On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
>  
>
>>Isabelle,
>>
>>Rod has OK'ed me to work on the project. How can I get started helping you ?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

[Springframework-developer] RE: web site for spring

[Travis C. <tra...@le...>]

Sweet!  Thank you, this is enough to get started.  I would love to =
design a logo.  I kind of already have some ideas for it.  Do you have =
any copy that I can start with or should I just start with stuff from =
the book?

I am not sure about using Maven.  I am sure it would be great, yet I =
know nothing about it.  I think I could get an initial site done and =
then maybe after the release we could come back and bring Maven into it. =
 Does this make sense?

thanks,
travis

-----Original Message-----
From: Isabelle Muszynski [mailto:isa...@me...]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:54 AM
To: Travis Chase
Cc: spr...@li...
Subject: Re: web site for spring


Hi Travis,

It's better you start from scratch, as I only worked on it for a couple =
of hours.
The site will (at least initially) be hosted at Sourceforge, our url =
should be springframework.sourceforge.net. But Rod will need to tell you =
the username and password for uploading stuff.
We should support IE 5+ and Netscape/Mozilla 6+.
The site should have the following info (I can help you with the =
contents if needed) :
(1) Overview of the project, explaining the roots in Rod's book and the =
additions made since; also explaining where we are headed, what our =
vision is, ...
(2) Docs section with documentation, samples, tutorials, etc..
(3) On-line javadocs
(4) Downloads page, with reference to the sourceforge pages (have a look =
how other sourceforge sites do it)
(5) Link to Mailing lists=20
(6) Link to bugs database
(7) Who We Are, which will contain a small blurb about all the =
developers in the project
(8) License info (Apache license)

These items must not necessarily be in the above order.

Is this enough to get you started? You will also need to come up with a =
logo :-)

Isabelle

On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:33:31AM -0500, Travis Chase wrote:
> Great, I am excited to help.  Just direct me on what you need and what =
you have envisioned.  I will start with the layout and web design if =
that is ok.  Questions I have are:
>=20
> What server are we hosting the site with?
> Do you have any initial stuff I can look at to see where you were =
going?
> Is there other parts of the site you would want me to help with?
> What are the browser requirements for the site?
>=20
> Thanks
> Travis
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Isabelle Muszynski [mailto:isa...@me...]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:44 AM
> To: Travis Chase
> Cc: spr...@li...
> Subject: web site for spring
>=20
>=20
> Hi Travis,
>=20
> Thanks for proposing to do the web site. I've just started on it, but =
am pretty much a klutz at web design. So let me know if you want to go =
ahead and do it, and I will tell you what I had envisioned as =
information on the site.
>=20
> Isabelle
>=20
> --=20
> Isabelle Muszynski
> Software Engineer
> Zandweellaan 4
> 2660 Antwerpen
> Belgium
> Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54
> Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89
> Email: isa...@me...
> Website: www.meta-logix.com
>=20
>=20
>=20

--=20
Isabelle Muszynski
Software Engineer
Zandweellaan 4
2660 Antwerpen
Belgium
Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54
Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89
Email: isa...@me...
Website: www.meta-logix.com

Re: [Springframework-developer] Re: web site for spring

[Thomas R. <tri...@tr...>]

I looked at the link Luke provided, and I really like the output from
Maven.  We should try to incorporate this in our project and web site. 
I assume that we easily could have a nightly build set up, so that we
could check to see that all the test passed the next morning.

Thomas Risberg


> Isabelle Muszynski wrote:
> > Hi Travis,
> > 
> > It's better you start from scratch, as I only worked on it for a
couple of hours.
> > The site will (at least initially) be hosted at Sourceforge, our url
should be springframework.sourceforge.net. But Rod will need to tell you
the username and password for uploading stuff.
> > We should support IE 5+ and Netscape/Mozilla 6+.
> > The site should have the following info (I can help you with the
contents if needed) :
> > (1) Overview of the project, explaining the roots in Rod's book and
the additions made since; also explaining where we are headed, what our
vision is, ...
> > (2) Docs section with documentation, samples, tutorials, etc..
> > (3) On-line javadocs
> > (4) Downloads page, with reference to the sourceforge pages (have a
look how other sourceforge sites do it)
> > (5) Link to Mailing lists 
> > (6) Link to bugs database
> > (7) Who We Are, which will contain a small blurb about all the
developers in the project
> > (8) License info (Apache license)
> > 
> 
> A lot of this stuff can be done with Maven so if there are plans to use 
> it then it might be worth structuring the website accordingly. The 
> documentation can be written in xdoc format and integrated with the 
> website. See my earlier post for a link to example output for Spring.
> 
> Luke.
> 
> 
> -- 
>   Luke Taylor.                      Monkey Machine Ltd.
>   PGP Key ID: 0x57E9523C            http://www.monkeymachine.ltd.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Springframework-developer] Re: web site for spring

[Luke T. <luk...@fr...>]

Isabelle Muszynski wrote:
> Hi Travis,
> 
> It's better you start from scratch, as I only worked on it for a couple of hours.
> The site will (at least initially) be hosted at Sourceforge, our url should be springframework.sourceforge.net. But Rod will need to tell you the username and password for uploading stuff.
> We should support IE 5+ and Netscape/Mozilla 6+.
> The site should have the following info (I can help you with the contents if needed) :
> (1) Overview of the project, explaining the roots in Rod's book and the additions made since; also explaining where we are headed, what our vision is, ...
> (2) Docs section with documentation, samples, tutorials, etc..
> (3) On-line javadocs
> (4) Downloads page, with reference to the sourceforge pages (have a look how other sourceforge sites do it)
> (5) Link to Mailing lists 
> (6) Link to bugs database
> (7) Who We Are, which will contain a small blurb about all the developers in the project
> (8) License info (Apache license)
> 

A lot of this stuff can be done with Maven so if there are plans to use 
it then it might be worth structuring the website accordingly. The 
documentation can be written in xdoc format and integrated with the 
website. See my earlier post for a link to example output for Spring.

Luke.


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[Springframework-developer] Re: web site for spring

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi Travis,

It's better you start from scratch, as I only worked on it for a couple of hours.
The site will (at least initially) be hosted at Sourceforge, our url should be springframework.sourceforge.net. But Rod will need to tell you the username and password for uploading stuff.
We should support IE 5+ and Netscape/Mozilla 6+.
The site should have the following info (I can help you with the contents if needed) :
(1) Overview of the project, explaining the roots in Rod's book and the additions made since; also explaining where we are headed, what our vision is, ...
(2) Docs section with documentation, samples, tutorials, etc..
(3) On-line javadocs
(4) Downloads page, with reference to the sourceforge pages (have a look how other sourceforge sites do it)
(5) Link to Mailing lists 
(6) Link to bugs database
(7) Who We Are, which will contain a small blurb about all the developers in the project
(8) License info (Apache license)

These items must not necessarily be in the above order.

Is this enough to get you started? You will also need to come up with a logo :-)

Isabelle

On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:33:31AM -0500, Travis Chase wrote:
> Great, I am excited to help.  Just direct me on what you need and what you have envisioned.  I will start with the layout and web design if that is ok.  Questions I have are:
> 
> What server are we hosting the site with?
> Do you have any initial stuff I can look at to see where you were going?
> Is there other parts of the site you would want me to help with?
> What are the browser requirements for the site?
> 
> Thanks
> Travis
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Isabelle Muszynski [mailto:isa...@me...]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:44 AM
> To: Travis Chase
> Cc: spr...@li...
> Subject: web site for spring
> 
> 
> Hi Travis,
> 
> Thanks for proposing to do the web site. I've just started on it, but am pretty much a klutz at web design. So let me know if you want to go ahead and do it, and I will tell you what I had envisioned as information on the site.
> 
> Isabelle
> 
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[Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi Ken,

If you feel up to it, get started on the petclinic. The idea is to develop something a la Petstore, only it's a pet clinic this time. I have the tables script for Oracle, but actually I feel it would be better to do the demo on mySQL primarily. I can get you a tables script for mySQL by tomorrow evening my time.
The table structure so far is not complete, as it doesn't allow for owners to make appointments for their pets. But we should start out simply, so from the point of view of the vets treating animals.
Since we are not going to be using beans and complex transactions in the beginning, I think we could go for tomcat as a web container.
It's important that you build the demo in incremental steps called stages, and that each stage consist of a set of source code, build files and documentation. You can do the documentation free form in a text file, and I'll take care of incorporating it into the master set of docs. Make sure you explain everything you do in code, it's better to have too much explanations than too little.

Isabelle

On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
> Isabelle,
> 
> Rod has OK'ed me to work on the project. How can I get started helping you ?
> 
> Regards,
> Ken
> 
> 
> 

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[Springframework-developer] RE: web site for spring

[Travis C. <tra...@le...>]

Great, I am excited to help.  Just direct me on what you need and what =
you have envisioned.  I will start with the layout and web design if =
that is ok.  Questions I have are:

What server are we hosting the site with?
Do you have any initial stuff I can look at to see where you were going?
Is there other parts of the site you would want me to help with?
What are the browser requirements for the site?

Thanks
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: Isabelle Muszynski [mailto:isa...@me...]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:44 AM
To: Travis Chase
Cc: spr...@li...
Subject: web site for spring


Hi Travis,

Thanks for proposing to do the web site. I've just started on it, but am =
pretty much a klutz at web design. So let me know if you want to go =
ahead and do it, and I will tell you what I had envisioned as =
information on the site.

Isabelle

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[Springframework-developer] TransactionTemplate

[Kopylenko, D. <dko...@ac...>]

Another question. Would it be helpful to have a setter for
PlatformTransactionManager property on the TransactionTemplate class, so it
could be configurable through a bean factory?

Thanks,

Dmitriy.

[Springframework-developer] Transaction

[Kopylenko, D. <dko...@ac...>]

Hello everybody. One question. Should the
com.interface21.transaction.[subpackages] be included in the spring-core.jar
?

Thanks,
Dmitriy.

Re: [Springframework-developer] maven

[Luke T. <luk...@fr...>]

Isabelle Muszynski wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can one of you give me the url's to maven so I can check it out? I've heard of it but don't know more than that.
> 

maven.apache.org

The results of the project file I put together can be viewed at

http://www.monkeymachine.ltd.uk/spring/maven-reports.html

They are a bit out of date and not entirely complete as I ran out of web 
space (reducing the size of the checkstyle report might help :-) but 
should give some indication of what Maven does. Note that this is all 
out-of-the-box stuff produced by a very simple project file.

Luke.



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Re: [Springframework-developer] tutorial, tools and smilies :-)

[<rod...@in...>]

>Is there a way to code the engine so that it can be packaged 
as both an eclipse plug-in and a swing gui? 

Eclipse uses SWT, rather than Swing (which is why it looks 
good and performs well IMHO). 

However, I agree it would be great if it was possible to have 
a standalone SWT implementation as well as the plugin.

Rod

Re: [Springframework-developer] tutorial, tools and smilies :-)

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi all,

I've nothing against eclipse plug-ins, but would like to suggest that we build tools so that they can run stand-alone as well. I for example don't use eclipse (use an editor), other people use commercial IDE's.
Is there a way to code the engine so that it can be packaged as both an eclipse plug-in and a swing gui?

Isabelle


On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 10:30:11PM +0100, Rod Johnson wrote:
> Brett,
> 
> I think an Eclipse plug-in would be great. True, not everyone uses it , but
> it seems that a fair few of us do and it seems that most of the developers I
> know have a copy of Eclipse installed, whether or not they use it
> exclusively.
> 
> I envisaged a tool for editing bean factory definitions, and maybe prompting
> for property values via introspection of the classpath. As you can tell my
> ideas aren't particularly deeply thought out on this..
> 
> Something web-based would be good (Struts does seem to have lots and it's
> one of its major strengths).
> 
> What were your thoughts?
> 
> Regards,
> Rod
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brett Bell" <br...@po...>
> To: <spr...@li...>
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:14 PM
> Subject: [Springframework-developer] tutorial, tools and smilies :-)
> 
> 
> > Hi Isabelle
> >
> > "As a matter of fact I am in the process of writing a tutorial. Not for
> > dummies, but
> > for newbies :-("
> > Sounds great. I am a willing student, so if you'd like to send me the
> > tutorial I can let you know if it passes the lowest common denominator
> > test i.e. If I can understand and follow it then every one else will :-)
> >
> >
> > "Something for xDoclet would be cool. Then if you have the time maybe some
> > Eclipse
> > plugins or a stand-alone Swing GUI app. We don't all use Eclipse, for
> > example I'm
> > strictly text editor + command line tools."
> > Fair play.  When I get up to speed with the framework I will expand my
> > ideas in this area.  I particularly like the gui idea. Struts has one of
> > these so Spring will get one too :)
> >
> > Please excuse my overuse of smilies :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brett
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Springframework-developer] web site for spring

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi Travis,

Thanks for proposing to do the web site. I've just started on it, but am pretty much a klutz at web design. So let me know if you want to go ahead and do it, and I will tell you what I had envisioned as information on the site.

Isabelle

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[Springframework-developer] maven

[Isabelle M. <isa...@me...>]

Hi,

Can one of you give me the url's to maven so I can check it out? I've heard of it but don't know more than that.

Isabelle

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