RE: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial : comm ents invited

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 Isabelle,
>(1) JBoss is hard to get to work for beginners
I would have to disagree with you on that one. JBoss is very simple to set
up and deploy on. In fact it's much more easier and straight forward to use
JBoss for me than to use Tomcat (plus it provides transactional datasource
connection pooling, JTA support, etc. out of the box)

Regards,
Dmitriy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Isabelle Muszynski
To: Rod Johnson
Cc: spr...@li...
Sent: 4/26/2003 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial :
comments invited

Hi Rod, everyone,

The problem as I see it is

(1) JBoss is hard to get to work for beginners
(2) everyone has tomcat or has read a book covering tomcat
(3) Orion has a good rep, as does JRun which is free for developers
(4) Weblogic is very good, I've heard that the 8.1 download is valid for
a year, but otherwise it's out because it's too expensive. I use it at
my day job as well, which probably means the team has an accumulated
expertise concerning Weblogic (what is everyone else using?)

Maybe we should Tomcat for as far as it takes us, and then have a
"stage" in the turorial that covers migration to an application server
(we'll need to settle on one).

Isabelle

On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 12:06:36PM +0100, Rod Johnson wrote:
> Sounds good.
> 
> Only issue with Tomcat is that we should demonstrate transaction
management
> using Spring, rather than relying on JDBC autocommit. (I will try to
add an
> implementation using AOP transaction management to demonstrate that as
> well.)
> 
> Tomcat doesn't come with JTA out of the box, but can be integrated
with
> Tyrex. Just wondering how best we can help readers do this.
> 
> I'm planning to work with Orion myself (WebLogic in my day job), but
of
> course it's not open source.
> 
> Regards,
> Rod
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Isabelle Muszynski" <isa...@me...>
> To: "Ken Krebs" <kk...@kk...>
> Cc: <spr...@li...>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:34 AM
> Subject: [Springframework-developer] Re: Spring demo & tutorial :
comments
> invited
> 
> 
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > Sounds good to me. As a matter of fact, my next step was going to be
> writing the use cases and scenarios for the demo. But if you want to
do it,
> fine, and I'll review them. We have received a one-month license for
> MagicDraw (www.nomagic.com), and will probably be getting
complimentary
> permanent licences after that. I'll send you the license in a separate
mail.
> > I think we should aim to both keep the demo simple as far as
business
> logic goes, and professional as far as the code goes. So we are
definitely
> on the same wavelength on that matter.
> >
> > Isabelle
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:43:06PM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
> > > Isabelle,
> > >
> > > This works well for me. I have been using Tomcat (4.1.18) and
mySQL
> > > (3.23.53) for my own experimentations with Spring using Java
1.4.1_01. I
> > > think it is a good idea to stay away from advanced database
features and
> > > use only very basic, least common denominator SQL for this
demo/tutorial
> > > as much as possible. This would make it easy for potential users
to
> > > modify it for use with their own preferred database.
> > >
> > > I understand perfectly the need to build the demo in an
incremental
> fashion.
> > >
> > > I think we need to have a good idea of what it is we want to
accomplish
> > > in each of the stages and in the demo/tutorial as a whole. It
seems to
> > > me that the demo/tutorial is an important sales tool for the
framework.
> > > As such, we should have some pretty clear goals of what features
and
> > > advantages of using the framework are to be demonstrated in the
> > > demo/tutorial. It should reinforce whatever is going to be in the
Spring
> > > Introduction and/or Mission Statement page at the website.
> > >
> > > I will get started by laying out an application file/directory
structure
> > > and Ant build script. I will also start listing display pages and
use
> cases.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will assume the following unless it is otherwise agreed:
> > >
> > > The view technology will be JSP and JSTL (no scriptlets).
> > > Production quality code and exception handling should be the rule.
> > > The pages, at least in the initial stage will be very simple views
> > > without style sheets, headers/footers/menus, or
internationalization.
> > >
> > >
> > > Comments please.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Isabelle Muszynski wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi Ken,
> > > >
> > > >If you feel up to it, get started on the petclinic. The idea is
to
> develop
> > > >something a la Petstore, only it's a pet clinic this time. I have
the
> > > >tables script for Oracle, but actually I feel it would be better
to do
> the
> > > >demo on mySQL primarily. I can get you a tables script for mySQL
by
> > > >tomorrow evening my time.
> > > >The table structure so far is not complete, as it doesn't allow
for
> owners
> > > >to make appointments for their pets. But we should start out
simply, so
> > > >from the point of view of the vets treating animals.
> > > >Since we are not going to be using beans and complex transactions
in
> the
> > > >beginning, I think we could go for tomcat as a web container.
> > > >It's important that you build the demo in incremental steps
called
> stages,
> > > >and that each stage consist of a set of source code, build files
and
> > > >documentation. You can do the documentation free form in a text
file,
> and
> > > >I'll take care of incorporating it into the master set of docs.
Make
> sure
> > > >you explain everything you do in code, it's better to have too
much
> > > >explanations than too little.
> > > >
> > > >Isabelle
> > > >
> > > >On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Ken Krebs wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Isabelle,
> > > >>
> > > >>Rod has OK'ed me to work on the project. How can I get started
helping
> > > >>you ?
> > > >>
> > > >>Regards,
> > > >>Ken
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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