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From: Charles L. <da...@sy...> - 2001-02-09 22:11:44
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>1. Does anyone have a machine that's running some sort of Unix that they'd >let me install a CVS server on? Requirements are minimal. Sourceforge >already provides nightly tarballs of our tree, so we could move the whole >repository and keep the revision history intact. geotzou has a static IP. geo, could you install Yellow Dog on one of your spare 7500? :) >2. It looks like Sourceforge is in the process of allowing shell logins into >the CVS server machine. That'd allow us to use CVS/SSH on the Mac with >current tools. > >3. MacCVS Pro has people adding built-in SSH support. No ETA though. > >4. I could give out my pserver password (it's different from my Sourceforge >password), and everybody could commit as me for now. that doesn't seem like a very clean solution. >5. Do nothing, keep sending me patches and I'll apply an commit them. it looks like we'll have to stick with #5 until another one becomes feasable. -- charles lechasseur - da...@sy... http://www3.sympatico.ca/danov/marathon/ "The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!" - Minsc |
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-09 17:22:32
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> quite frankly, i find the Sourceforge support staff much more annoying that > not having write access to the tree. even if i were to get pserver access, > i'd still consider moving to another site for development. :) Do you wanna know what their answer was this time (item closed of course): *drumroll* "I thought you could dual boot Linux on the Mac." Aaaahh. -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-09 17:05:27
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> maybe we could look at other places where we can host our source control. > maybe even look at some Mac solutions, like VOODOO server, for example? it > can even integrate with CW, i think. I don't know much about Mac solutions (I'm mostly a Unix development person). The easiest solution for now might be to use our own CVS server. There are a few options: 1. Does anyone have a machine that's running some sort of Unix that they'd let me install a CVS server on? Requirements are minimal. Sourceforge already provides nightly tarballs of our tree, so we could move the whole repository and keep the revision history intact. 2. It looks like Sourceforge is in the process of allowing shell logins into the CVS server machine. That'd allow us to use CVS/SSH on the Mac with current tools. 3. MacCVS Pro has people adding built-in SSH support. No ETA though. 4. I could give out my pserver password (it's different from my Sourceforge password), and everybody could commit as me for now. 5. Do nothing, keep sending me patches and I'll apply an commit them. Thoughts? -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Charles L. <da...@sy...> - 2001-02-08 23:34:21
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>FYI, my support request was closed again ("we don't offer pserver access at
>this time"), so I submitted this. It has some details about why CVS/SSH on
>the Mac is such a pain.
quite frankly, i find the Sourceforge support staff much more annoying that
not having write access to the tree. even if i were to get pserver access,
i'd still consider moving to another site for development. :)
maybe we could look at other places where we can host our source control.
maybe even look at some Mac solutions, like VOODOO server, for example? it
can even integrate with CW, i think.
--
charles lechasseur - da...@sy...
http://www3.sympatico.ca/danov/marathon/
"The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!"
- Minsc
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-08 19:13:56
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FYI, my support request was closed again ("we don't offer pserver access at
this time"), so I submitted this. It has some details about why CVS/SSH on
the Mac is such a pain.
--
Lark <lar...@ya...>
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From: no...@so...
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:07:49 -0800
To: lar...@ya..., no...@so...,
ale...@so...
Subject: [Bug #131593] Please rethink CVS/SSH strategy
Details: There are two ways to secure CVS using SSH:
1. substitute ssh for rsh at the client
2. configure an ssh tunnel between rsh ports, and use rsh
Method 1 is what Sourceforge uses, but it requires a client implementation
of ssh that is a plug-in replacement of rsh.
Not all clients have this; Mac OS doesn't. While MacOS CVS clients can do
rsh (it's hardcoded into the CVS clients), there is no way to make them use
ssh.
This means that Sourceforge cannot host MacOS projects at this time, since
developers cannot access their CVS trees from the Mac!
Method 2 does not need any client support other than an SSH implementation
that does connection forwarding. Those are available for most platforms,
including MacOS.
However, method 2 fails, because Sourceforge forbids ssh shell connections
into the CVS machine. In order to forward a connection (e.g. to run CVS
over), I must be able to first log into that machine with ssh.
Please allow ssh logins into the CVS server, so tunnels can be set up! This
will enable CVS/SSH using method 2 on systems that do not support method 1,
like the Mac. It would also enable secure pserver access, should Sourceforge
wish to offer it.
Otherwise, I will probably have to move my (MacOS) projects to another site,
since my developers cannot access our CVS trees (and are getting pissed at
me...)
Also, in the past, Sourceforge has given out pserver access in these
situations (I use it), but my developers are now being told this is no
longer offered. Why the change?
Thanks,
Lark
PS: Please CC me by email in responses, finding closed PRs is next to
impossible.
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-08 04:46:06
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> May I ask, like Charles aske dbefore, if there is an easy way to get back > to a given support request to add on or anything? Don't think so. I've started to bookmark the pages. > Aside that, any news on your support ticket? Yes. It was cancelled - "is a client issue." I submitted yet another one, and emailed the person in charge of it separately. -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Ludovic N. <lni...@wa...> - 2001-02-08 01:46:02
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Hello Lark, May I ask, like Charles aske dbefore, if there is an easy way to get back to a given support request to add on or anything? Using the support manager is very painful at times cause you have to sequentially go through every requests of the given type, and that is very long. I searched for a "look at this request ID" feature, didn't find it. Even the look up by date is useless, starts one year back anbd chronological isntead of reversed. Aside that, any news on your support ticket? Geotzou |
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-07 16:19:22
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> More updates, files to lark... Committed, thanks Ben. -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Charles L. <da...@sy...> - 2001-02-06 20:15:34
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>> This is how the CL Client does it: >> >> #if TARGET_API_MAC_OS8 >> P2CStr( (uchar *) text ); >> #else >> CopyPascalStringToC( (uchar *) text, text ); >> #endif > >Is TARGET_API_MAC_OS8 a CW define? I.e. should I use this in Scribia, too? i believe this is a define introduced in the Universal Headers. don't remember which version. look in ConditionalMacros.h. it seems i still have UH 3.2 with my Pro5 installation so i don't have them. however, i believe they are used in PP projects since Pro6. -- charles lechasseur - da...@sy... http://www3.sympatico.ca/danov/marathon/ "The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!" - Minsc |
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From: Lars E. <la...@IS...> - 2001-02-06 17:04:02
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> This is how the CL Client does it: > > #if TARGET_API_MAC_OS8 > P2CStr( (uchar *) text ); > #else > CopyPascalStringToC( (uchar *) text, text ); > #endif Is TARGET_API_MAC_OS8 a CW define? I.e. should I use this in Scribia, too? -- Lars Eggert <la...@is...> Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/larse/ University of Southern California |
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From: Charles L. <da...@sy...> - 2001-02-06 15:49:42
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>> i just tried to commit something but i don't have write access. > >You need to open a customer support item with SF (see recent email messags >by Geotzou). Be warned that their support staff is sometimes less capable >than your average drive-thru clerk. i did, but it didn't seem to do any good. how can i find my old support item? i'd like to see what the guy said. (as if it'll help.) i'll try to open another support item. maybe they'll get tired of us and finally give us pserver access. :) >> also, i'd like some more information on CVS itself. i'm not sure i fully >> understand how i am supposed to use this as a version control tool. for >> example, when you want to work on a file, aren't you supposed to lock it so >> that others do not change it at the same time? if so, i don't see any lock >> option in MacCVS Pro. > >CVS is optimistic in the sense that it allows multiple people to >concurrently (the C in CVS) edit the same files. It will guarantee >consistency by automatically merging changes upon committing, unless the >same line(s) have been edited by multiple parties. (In that case, you'll >need to do manual conflict resolution, i.e. merge the changes by hand - but >it doesn't happen often normally.) Locks are only used in the brief periods >when someone is updating from or committing to the central repository. ok. i am more used to VCS tools that allow exclusive locks to take place to ensure that no one is fiddling with your source (SourceSafe, StarTeam). i guess it's just another way of doing it. >If you know Unix, CVS started as a bunch of shell scripts integrating RCS >with diff/patch and related tools. If that means anything to you, you'll >have some idea of how CVS works. yeah, i get the idea. -- charles lechasseur - da...@sy... http://www3.sympatico.ca/danov/marathon/ "The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!" - Minsc |
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From: Ben H. <bh...@sa...> - 2001-02-06 10:13:33
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More updates, files to lark... ScribiaResources.ppob - Added progress bar ppob CScribiaApp.cp - Added progress bar window. Still not mac-friendly (gives no time to anyone, and cant cancel out of it) but at least its not SIOUX. :) We probably should put the scanning operation in a thread so everything is happy. - Fixed creation of 50 TestWindows if you scanned a folder. - Commented out last SIOUXisms. CScribiaDoc.cp - Deleted last SIOUXisms. We might not need to mention the case where a character is not found in the log as an error. This could happen many times if a person with multiple chars scans their log folder. Well we might want to mention it somehow, but certainly not with SIOUX. :) CScribiaDocumentWindow.cp - changed constructor yet again. The document window is now only created from within CScribiaDoc->Show(), and the CScribiaDoc object is passed in as the commander so you dont need to pass it in separately. So now the window descends from the document in the command heirarchy, but it also keeps a reference to the document as a data member. CScribiaDocumentWindow.h - changed constructor -Ben -- <http://tunnels.tripod.com/> - My Old-As-Hell Home Page <http://freepages.sf.rootsweb.com/~bhines/> - My newish Genealogy Pages |
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From: Ben H. <bh...@sa...> - 2001-02-06 07:09:06
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At 9:15 PM -0800 2/5/01, Lark wrote: > >> 4. CScribiaDoc::SetCharacter uses LString::PToCStr which doesn't exist in >> my Pro5 PowerPlant. It is new with Pro6 and simplt doesn't compile in Pro5, >> so if we support it, would be good to change to a more compatible p2cstr >> for now. > >Changed it, will commit soon. Ack, was not aware it was CW6 only. I was using that one so as to remain Carbon-compliant by using Powerplant functions wherever possible. P2CStr isnt in carbon. Of course we could just use the stanard p2cstr. This is how the CL Client does it: #if TARGET_API_MAC_OS8 P2CStr( (uchar *) text ); #else CopyPascalStringToC( (uchar *) text, text ); #endif -Ben -- <http://tunnels.tripod.com/> - My Old-As-Hell Home Page <http://freepages.sf.rootsweb.com/~bhines/> - My newish Genealogy Pages |
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-06 05:15:23
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> 1. PrefixCommon.h contains two times the following line at the end. > #include <PP_ClassHeaders.cp> Doh. > 2. DebugPrefix.pch++ is set to apply to targets debug and final (that is > why you saw it call for recompiling of both targets). Use the last tab for > Project inspector and select Targets then uncheck Final. Doh! Doh! > 4. CScribiaDoc::SetCharacter uses LString::PToCStr which doesn't exist in > my Pro5 PowerPlant. It is new with Pro6 and simplt doesn't compile in Pro5, > so if we support it, would be good to change to a more compatible p2cstr > for now. Changed it, will commit soon. -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Cygnus <cy...@po...> - 2001-02-06 05:07:59
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On 2/5/01 9:55 PM, "Lark" <lar...@ya...> wrote: >> I do like the idea of remembering what message was last said by each trainer. > > I like it, too - in addition to counting numbers; not replacing them, of > course. > Of course, that's what I assumed you meant. Would be odd to go through all the scanner trouble not to show it. >> If these start being kept track of, it'd be nice to also have the lady (can't >> think of her name) that informs evus of one's progress to be listed too. Has >> anyone ever compiled a list of her sayings? I just started to get a new one. > > Huh? I'm not sure I know this lady. > Its Kretski that I was talking about. She's in the fighter hall by the guy that reports how close to the next trainer you. Basically she tells a fighter how well rounded they are. She was added when DT made an internal change to evus. He was no longer showing what your equivalence of evus is from the other trainers. Every time you talk to her, she resets your evus message to what it should be. Cygnus cy...@po... _________________________________________________________________ Oh the words that he spoke Seemed the wisest of philosophies There's nothing ever gained By a wet thing called a tear When the world is too dark And I need the light inside of me I'll walk into a bar And drink fifteen pints of beer - Shane MacGowen |
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From: Ludovic N. <lni...@wa...> - 2001-02-06 05:01:09
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>One little issue: With Geo's prefix changes, in the "Final" target, both the
>final an the debug prefix get recompiled. In the "Debug" target, only the
>debug one does, as I would expect.
Couple things:
1. PrefixCommon.h contains two times the following line at the end.
#include <PP_ClassHeaders.cp>
2. DebugPrefix.pch++ is set to apply to targets debug and final (that is
why you saw it call for recompiling of both targets). Use the last tab for
Project inspector and select Targets then uncheck Final.
Those are for the setup of the project and headers.
Now a few changes for Pro5 users until I can commit them myself (current
estimate: summer 2006)
3. the prefix file in the project settings have not been changed to use the
precompiled binaries for the pro5 project, which makes pro5 users to be
unable to build for now (see item f) in my original message if you need
to use pro5)
4. CScribiaDoc::SetCharacter uses LString::PToCStr which doesn't exist in
my Pro5 PowerPlant. It is new with Pro6 and simplt doesn't compile in Pro5,
so if we support it, would be good to change to a more compatible p2cstr
for now.
5. Pro5 project users need to add CSharesTable.cp
Last item: No we cannot use the same project under Pro5, since a couple
files have been added (UScrap.cp/h, UPrinting, UProcessMgr and a few
others). So for now, we are stuck to using dual projects :-|
Geotzou
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-06 04:54:55
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> It just give a untrain message. I can dig up the message if need be, but its > not really useful. My understanding is that it takes away a percentage of > each item you've trained it. Also each untraining takes away a "block" of > training. Its more then a rank, but it seemed to vary only how many were > undone in one shot. More total ranks seemed to equal a larger "block". > Blech. Okay, I see no easy way to handle this. Better to not try. > Rodnus doesn't take anything away. Only Knox and Angalisa do. > Ah, ok. > Since exactly how much they take away isn't known for sure and since DT can > easily tweak it, I don't think trying to account for the loss would be that > great of an idea. I'd say to just total everything trained, not accounting > for the untraining. > Yes, that seems easiest (and cleanest). > I do like the idea of remembering what message was last said by each trainer. I like it, too - in addition to counting numbers; not replacing them, of course. > If these start being kept track of, it'd be nice to also have the lady (can't > think of her name) that informs evus of one's progress to be listed too. Has > anyone ever compiled a list of her sayings? I just started to get a new one. Huh? I'm not sure I know this lady. > I'm told that both the gossamer and blood blade both untrain like the fell > sword. I'll see if I can get messages on either. > >> Also, is there anything to count for the Swords of Souls? >> > I don't believe there is, but I'll double check to make sure. That would be great! Thanks, Cygnus. -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-06 04:51:55
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> i just tried to commit something but i don't have write access. You need to open a customer support item with SF (see recent email messags by Geotzou). Be warned that their support staff is sometimes less capable than your average drive-thru clerk. > also, i'd like some more information on CVS itself. i'm not sure i fully > understand how i am supposed to use this as a version control tool. for > example, when you want to work on a file, aren't you supposed to lock it so > that others do not change it at the same time? if so, i don't see any lock > option in MacCVS Pro. CVS is optimistic in the sense that it allows multiple people to concurrently (the C in CVS) edit the same files. It will guarantee consistency by automatically merging changes upon committing, unless the same line(s) have been edited by multiple parties. (In that case, you'll need to do manual conflict resolution, i.e. merge the changes by hand - but it doesn't happen often normally.) Locks are only used in the brief periods when someone is updating from or committing to the central repository. If you know Unix, CVS started as a bunch of shell scripts integrating RCS with diff/patch and related tools. If that means anything to you, you'll have some idea of how CVS works. -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-06 04:44:50
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> Also, Lark, I believe the trainers (fell/blood/goss/virgil) i sent to > you should have bullets (option-8) instead of asterisks. I think > eudora changed them to asterisks since i usually send in "plain" > format instead of "Styled". Ah. I've changed the scanner patterns (locally, will commit soon) so that they treat bullets and stars in such messages the same. It also makes spaces after the star/bullet optional. That should simplify things. > I think that a trainer message with an asterisk instead of a bullet > is considered a "bug" by DT. If you know someone at DT, hint at them that I have some suggestions on how to make future log messages more easily parseable. :-) -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Lark <lar...@ya...> - 2001-02-06 04:40:41
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> i'm still using 5.3 (in fact, i still have Pro4 installed also for some old > projects). of course since i haven't contributed anything yet my vote is > somewhat less important. i don't have a copy of Pro6 here, i believe, but i > could surely get one if needed and jump to 6.1 if you so choose. Geotzou is also running 5.3, so for now we'll try to stay compatible with that. Here's what I propose: We have two XML-exported project files under CVS, for both CW versions. Me and the other CW6 folks will use/update the CW6 project, and the CW5 folks will use/update the CW5 file. (By update I mean add files and change project settings as needed, so that the project compiles, then XML export and commit the file.) I can't keep the CW5 file updated, since I removed that version from my drives altogether (little room). > (btw, if you store the project as XML in CVS, wouldn't it make it possible > for anyone with a CodeWarrior version capable of importing XML to be able > to work with the project? i mean, you just import it under Pro6.1, i import > it under Pro5.3...) That would be the best solution - if they are compatible. What happens when you import the CW6 XML into 5.3? -- Lark <lar...@ya...> |
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From: Ludovic N. <lni...@wa...> - 2001-02-06 03:44:59
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>One little issue: With Geo's prefix changes, in the "Final" target, both the >final an the debug prefix get recompiled. In the "Debug" target, only the >debug one does, as I would expect. That should not be the case. Probably one detail got improperly set, I'll look at that tonight if time permits. Geotzou |
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From: Ludovic N. <lni...@wa...> - 2001-02-06 03:33:02
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>I have finally made the move to CodeWarrior 6 (actually 6.1). Is everyone >else already using 6? If so, we could update the project file, start using >Morefiles 1.5, etc. > >If you are still using 5.3, please speak up now! I wouldn't want to change >anything that'll break things for you. I am still under Pro 5.3 at home. But one can update the headers to properly handle Morefiles 1.5 under Pro5, no? I suggest you update to Pro6, I'll try to import that and put it back under Pro5 and fix anything needed and give the list of fix as needed. If that happens to be impossible, we'll see how to have both project around for a moment, but by any means would I want to delay the adoption of more modern compiler/linker. Geotzou |
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From: Cygnus <cy...@po...> - 2001-02-06 01:52:25
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On 2/5/01 9:10 AM, "Lark" <lar...@ya...> wrote: > I was wondering how Scribia could handle untraining. I've never done it, is > there a message? Does it tell you what you untrain? > It just give a untrain message. I can dig up the message if need be, but its not really useful. My understanding is that it takes away a percentage of each item you've trained it. Also each untraining takes away a "block" of training. Its more then a rank, but it seemed to vary only how many were undone in one shot. More total ranks seemed to equal a larger "block". > Also, I think Rodnus and such subtract trainings. How should we handle > those? Maybe we should not (only) count the ranks, but also remember hat the > trainer said last time you saw him/her? (e.g. "you have attained tremendous > skill", etc.) > Rodnus doesn't take anything away. Only Knox and Angalisa do. Since exactly how much they take away isn't known for sure and since DT can easily tweak it, I don't think trying to account for the loss would be that great of an idea. I'd say to just total everything trained, not accounting for the untraining. I do like the idea of remembering what message was last said by each trainer. If these start being kept track of, it'd be nice to also have the lady (can't think of her name) that informs evus of one's progress to be listed too. Has anyone ever compiled a list of her sayings? I just started to get a new one. > On a related note, Demian told me that you untrain with a fell blade if you > don't practice enough, and submitted the log message. I'm simply subtracting > one training from the counter in that case, it seems to be a 1:1 untrain > (you get the untrain message, and immediately after gain a rank in your > current trainer.) > > Do gossamer and blood blades do that to? Anyone have log messages for those? > I'm told that both the gossamer and blood blade both untrain like the fell sword. I'll see if I can get messages on either. > Also, is there anything to count for the Swords of Souls? I don't believe there is, but I'll double check to make sure. Cygnus cy...@po... _________________________________________________________________ Oh the words that he spoke Seemed the wisest of philosophies There's nothing ever gained By a wet thing called a tear When the world is too dark And I need the light inside of me I'll walk into a bar And drink fifteen pints of beer - Shane MacGowen |
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From: Charles L. <da...@sy...> - 2001-02-06 00:23:04
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>> btw i also asked for pserver access but it looks like i didn't get it. >> opening the source tree with MacCVS Pro still lists all files as read-only. > >That may be due to a local preference setting. You won't know if you have >write access until you try to commit something. It's the remote server that >will deny you permission. i just tried to commit something but i don't have write access. also, i'd like some more information on CVS itself. i'm not sure i fully understand how i am supposed to use this as a version control tool. for example, when you want to work on a file, aren't you supposed to lock it so that others do not change it at the same time? if so, i don't see any lock option in MacCVS Pro. -- charles lechasseur - da...@sy... http://www3.sympatico.ca/danov/marathon/ "The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!" - Minsc |
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From: Charles L. <da...@sy...> - 2001-02-06 00:12:11
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>I have finally made the move to CodeWarrior 6 (actually 6.1). Is everyone >else already using 6? If so, we could update the project file, start using >Morefiles 1.5, etc. > >If you are still using 5.3, please speak up now! I wouldn't want to change >anything that'll break things for you. i'm still using 5.3 (in fact, i still have Pro4 installed also for some old projects). of course since i haven't contributed anything yet my vote is somewhat less important. i don't have a copy of Pro6 here, i believe, but i could surely get one if needed and jump to 6.1 if you so choose. (btw, if you store the project as XML in CVS, wouldn't it make it possible for anyone with a CodeWarrior version capable of importing XML to be able to work with the project? i mean, you just import it under Pro6.1, i import it under Pro5.3...) -- charles lechasseur - da...@sy... http://www3.sympatico.ca/danov/marathon/ "The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!" - Minsc |
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