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Re: [webmin-l] Unexpected behaviour with Virtualmin.

[Alan D. <We...@Om...>]

Jinx!  :-)

Alan

On 1/8/2006 9:28 AM, Alan Dobkin wrote:
> Yes, this is expected behavior.  Aliases are system-wide, so they apply
> by default to ALL domains.  Addresses for specific domains or hosts
> belongs in the virtusertable.

On 1/8/2006 6:42 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> Yes, this is expected behaviour. Sendmail aliases apply to all domains, whereas
> virtuser entries apply to only one domain. This is why Virtualmin always creates
> virtusers ... I am guessing this alias was created using Webmin's Sendmail module
> (or manually).
>
>  - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] Unexpected behaviour with Virtualmin.

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 9/Jan/2006 00:52 cw wrote ..
> > This may be a Virtualmin bug, if it has setup the sendmail aliases and
> > virtusers incorrectly somehow. What are the relevant entries in
> > /etc/mail/virtusertable and /etc/mail/aliases for the problem address
> > and the catchall? They should reveal how mail is really being
> > delivered..
> > 
> >  - Jamie
> 
> Cheers for the reply Jamie,
> 
> /etc/mail/aliases has is basically all the default FreeBSD stuff. I 
> suspect the problem is this line:
> 
> security:       root
> 
> root is redirected to the catchall for domaina.tld
> 
> The concern though is that I would expect this mailbox to be applied 
> only to messages addressed to the hostname of the server. I've tested a
> few other aliases defined in there and it would seem that anything 
> addressed to one of those aliases under *any* domain is redirected as 
> per /etc/mail/aliases unless it is explicitly defined in the domain as
> something else.
> 
> So is this expected behaviour? Personally I would have expected each 
> domain to be treated completely separately the aliases defined in 
> /etc/mail/aliases only to be applied to the server hostname which isn't
> even domaina.tld it is host.domaina.tld

Yes, this is expected behaviour. Sendmail aliases apply to all domains, whereas
virtuser entries apply to only one domain. This is why Virtualmin always creates
virtusers ... I am guessing this alias was created using Webmin's Sendmail module
(or manually).

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] phpinfo() problem

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 9/Jan/2006 08:34 Hamid Hashemi wrote ..
> Hi ,
> 
> I am using Webmin and Virtualmin for fedora core 4 and installed apache
> 2.0.54 and php 5.0.4.
> When I was surfing the hosts and tried one of the hosts info.php which
> contains phpinfo() function to see if everythings working fine that host
> on virtualmin or not and saw something interesting in PHP Variables 
> section of phpinfo() !!
> I saw some $_ENV variables which contains some information about the 
> webmin and virtualmin even some passwords of virtualmin !!!!
> here is some example about these variables :
> 
> _ENV["DOCUMENT_REALROOT"] 	/usr/libexec/webmin
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_MAILBOXLIMIT"] 	20
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_LOGROTATE"] 	1
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_PREFIX"] 	xxxxxxxxx ( I changed this !)
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_IP"] 	xx.xx.xx.xx ( this too ! )
> _ENV["QUOTA_SBLOCKS"] 	10240
> _ENV["HTTP_CONTENT_LENGTH"] 	436
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_LIMIT_WEB"] 	1
> _ENV["QUOTA_FILESYS"] 	/home
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_GID"] 	538
> _ENV["MINISERV_CONFIG"] 	/etc/webmin/miniserv.conf
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_POSTGRES"] 	/no value/
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_MAIL"] 	1
> _ENV["QUOTA_HFILES"] 	0
> 
> 
> and a lot of other variables which is really secure ! I don't know from
> where phpinfo() found these but I need to solve this problem ASAP ! Also
> I checked the same issue on another server and the same result happened
> ! any idea ?

This is a bug in Webmin - in some cases, environment variables are being passed
through to the Apache process. It will be fixed in the next release, but in the short
term you can resolve it by finding the clean_environment function in web-lib-funcs.pl
and replacing it with :

# clean_environment()
# Deletes any environment variables inherited from miniserv so that they
# won't be passed to programs started by webmin.
sub clean_environment
{
local ($k, $e);
%UNCLEAN_ENV = %ENV;
foreach $k (keys %ENV) {
        if ($k =~ /^(HTTP|VIRTUALSERVER|QUOTA|USERADMIN)_/) {
                delete($ENV{$k});
                }
        }
foreach $e ('WEBMIN_CONFIG', 'SERVER_NAME', 'CONTENT_TYPE', 'REQUEST_URI',
            'PATH_INFO', 'WEBMIN_VAR', 'REQUEST_METHOD', 'GATEWAY_INTERFACE',
            'QUERY_STRING', 'REMOTE_USER', 'SERVER_SOFTWARE', 'SERVER_PROTOCOL',
            'REMOTE_HOST', 'SERVER_PORT', 'DOCUMENT_ROOT', 'SERVER_ROOT',
            'MINISERV_CONFIG', 'SCRIPT_NAME', 'SERVER_ADMIN', 'CONTENT_LENGTH',
            'HTTPS', 'FOREIGN_MODULE_NAME', 'FOREIGN_ROOT_DIRECTORY',
            'SCRIPT_FILENAME', 'PATH_TRANSLATED', 'BASE_REMOTE_USER',
            'DOCUMENT_REALROOT', 'MINISERV_CONFIG') {
        delete($ENV{$e});
        }
}

 - Jamie

Re: AW: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Hmm ... in that case I am out of ideas, sorry. All I can say is that it works OK on my Windows XP systems. Unfortunately, the Windows support in Webmin is still rather experimental ..

 - Jamie

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Stefan Sabolowitsch" <Ste...@fe...>
Subj:  AW: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows
Date:  Mon 9 Jan 2006 1:08 am
Size:  2K
To:  <web...@li...>

Jamie,

the same. :-(

Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from Webmin?

Stefan

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Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2006 00:37
An: web...@li...
Betreff: Re: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

Hi Stefan,
I haven't seen that problem myself under Windows unfortunately.. Normally
the response time is pretty fast, on par with Linux systems.

Does it help if you stop the webmin service, and instead start it manually
from a command shell window with :

c:/webmin/miniserv.pl c:/etc/webmin/miniserv.conf

 - Jamie

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Stefan Sabolowitsch" <Ste...@fe...>
Subj:  [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows
Date:  Sun 8 Jan 2006 6:29 pm
Size:  5K
To:  <web...@li...>

               Hi List, Jamie.
  thanks for your good work with Webmin (I use it since version 0.65).
  Now I play something with Webmin under Windows.
  
  Windows service starts without problems and Webmin listens at port 10000
  TCP pc1:1497 192.168.8.3:10000 HERGESTELLT
  TCP pc1:10000 192.168.8.3:1497 HERGESTELLT
  
  But the response time is extremely long.
  
  e.g IE Start to the Login Windows, more than 5min.
  Further as up to login the window i do not come, because it lasts to for a
long time.
  
  Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from Webmin?
  Someone has an idea why so slowly works ?
  
  
  Thanks for each assistance
  
  Stefan
  
  
  
  miniserv.log:
  192.168.8.3 - - [08/Jan/2006:07:51:17 +0100] GET / HTTP/1.1 401 163
  
  No errors
  
  OS =XP SP2 (without Firewall)
  Perl = v5.6.1 built for MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
  Webmin = devel 1.257 (but the same with 1.250)
  
      



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Re: [webmin-l] Minor bug reading /etc/mail/aliases

[cw <we...@fi...>]

Jamie Cameron wrote:
> This is a side-effect of the way Webmin treats comments in the aliases file. Basically, if something looks like an alias but it commented out, it will be shown as a disabled alias.
> 
> The only down-side is that sometimes you get situations like this where an actual comment is mis-interpreted. However, I don't see any solution without losing the disable feature altogether.
> 
>  - Jamie

Would it be feasible to disable things by inserting the # and another 
character (or character sequence to reduce the likelihood of a clash) 
after it which marks it as being a webmin disabled alias rather than a 
comment? Even just using two # would distinguish it from any other 
comments..
Regards,
Colin.

Re: [webmin-l] Minor bug reading /etc/mail/aliases

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

This is a side-effect of the way Webmin treats comments in the aliases file. Basically, if something looks like an alias but it commented out, it will be shown as a disabled alias.

The only down-side is that sometimes you get situations like this where an actual comment is mis-interpreted. However, I don't see any solution without losing the disable feature altogether.

 - Jamie

-----Original Message-----

From:  cw <we...@fi...>
Subj:  [webmin-l] Minor bug reading /etc/mail/aliases
Date:  Mon 9 Jan 2006 1:05 am
Size:  1K
To:  web...@li...

I was looking through the sendmail options to see if I could find 
anything relative to my other problem and I noticed a bit of a bug which 
is a separate issue, hence posting a separate message.

If I go to /sendmail/list_aliases.cgi I find that the output of webmin 
completely ignores any quotes in the aliases file. The FreeBSD aliases 
file contains quite a few quotes so I wouldn't want to start trying to 
alter things with Webmin incase it unquotes stuff.

An example is that the following quote:

# NOTE: /var/msgs and /var/msgs/bounds must be owned by sendmail's
#	DefaultUser (defaults to mailnull) for the msgs alias to work.

gets interpreted as:
Address: NOTE
Alias to: Write to file: /var/msgs
Alias to: Email Address: and
Alias to: Write to file /var/msgs/bounds

then one email address for each chunk of text separated by whitespace.

It might be an idea to have Webmin not attempt to do anything with the 
quotes unless you click the manual edit link. Trying to interpret and 
display them obviously doesn't work. I just test what happens if you try 
to alter it. It leaves it commented out but rewrites the quote onto one 
big long line.

I think this problem comes in from trying webmin disabling mail aliases 
by commenting them out but something needs to distinguish disabled 
mailboxes from comments..


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Re: AW: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

There isn't really any debug or log level in Webmin unfortunately ..

 - Jamie

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Stefan Sabolowitsch" <Ste...@fe...>
Subj:  AW: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows
Date:  Mon 9 Jan 2006 1:08 am
Size:  2K
To:  <web...@li...>

Jamie,

the same. :-(

Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from Webmin?

Stefan

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[mailto:web...@li...] Im Auftrag von Jamie
Cameron
Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2006 00:37
An: web...@li...
Betreff: Re: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

Hi Stefan,
I haven't seen that problem myself under Windows unfortunately.. Normally
the response time is pretty fast, on par with Linux systems.

Does it help if you stop the webmin service, and instead start it manually
from a command shell window with :

c:/webmin/miniserv.pl c:/etc/webmin/miniserv.conf

 - Jamie

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Stefan Sabolowitsch" <Ste...@fe...>
Subj:  [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows
Date:  Sun 8 Jan 2006 6:29 pm
Size:  5K
To:  <web...@li...>

               Hi List, Jamie.
  thanks for your good work with Webmin (I use it since version 0.65).
  Now I play something with Webmin under Windows.
  
  Windows service starts without problems and Webmin listens at port 10000
  TCP pc1:1497 192.168.8.3:10000 HERGESTELLT
  TCP pc1:10000 192.168.8.3:1497 HERGESTELLT
  
  But the response time is extremely long.
  
  e.g IE Start to the Login Windows, more than 5min.
  Further as up to login the window i do not come, because it lasts to for a
long time.
  
  Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from Webmin?
  Someone has an idea why so slowly works ?
  
  
  Thanks for each assistance
  
  Stefan
  
  
  
  miniserv.log:
  192.168.8.3 - - [08/Jan/2006:07:51:17 +0100] GET / HTTP/1.1 401 163
  
  No errors
  
  OS =XP SP2 (without Firewall)
  Perl = v5.6.1 built for MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
  Webmin = devel 1.257 (but the same with 1.250)
  
      



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Re: [webmin-l] phpinfo() problem

[Hamid H. <ha...@mo...>]

Please check this link :
http://noc.postnuke.com/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1309&group_id=5&atid=101

it seems that this problem happened cause of restarting httpd from the 
webmin HTTPS session. any idea how to solve the problem permanently ?!

Hamid Hashemi wrote:

> Hi ,
>
> I am using Webmin and Virtualmin for fedora core 4 and installed 
> apache 2.0.54 and php 5.0.4.
> When I was surfing the hosts and tried one of the hosts info.php which 
> contains phpinfo() function to see if everythings working fine that 
> host on virtualmin or not and saw something interesting in PHP 
> Variables section of phpinfo() !!
> I saw some $_ENV variables which contains some information about the 
> webmin and virtualmin even some passwords of virtualmin !!!!
> here is some example about these variables :
>
> _ENV["DOCUMENT_REALROOT"] 	/usr/libexec/webmin
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_MAILBOXLIMIT"] 	20
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_LOGROTATE"] 	1
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_PREFIX"] 	xxxxxxxxx ( I changed this !)
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_IP"] 	xx.xx.xx.xx ( this too ! )
> _ENV["QUOTA_SBLOCKS"] 	10240
> _ENV["HTTP_CONTENT_LENGTH"] 	436
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_LIMIT_WEB"] 	1
> _ENV["QUOTA_FILESYS"] 	/home
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_GID"] 	538
> _ENV["MINISERV_CONFIG"] 	/etc/webmin/miniserv.conf
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_POSTGRES"] 	/no value/
> _ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_MAIL"] 	1
> _ENV["QUOTA_HFILES"] 	0
>
>
> and a lot of other variables which is really secure ! I don't know 
> from where phpinfo() found these but I need to solve this problem ASAP 
> ! Also I checked the same issue on another server and the same result 
> happened ! any idea ?
>
>-- 
>Regards
>    =================================================================
>   /  Seyyed Hamid Reza    /        WINDOWS FOR NOW  !!            /
>  /  Hashemi Golpayegani  /  Linux for future , FreeBSD for ever  /
> /    Morva System Co.   / ------------------------------------- /
>/  Network Administrator/ ha...@mo...   ,   ICQ# : 42209876 /
>================================================================ 
>

[webmin-l] phpinfo() problem

[Hamid H. <ha...@mo...>]

Hi ,

I am using Webmin and Virtualmin for fedora core 4 and installed apache 
2.0.54 and php 5.0.4.
When I was surfing the hosts and tried one of the hosts info.php which 
contains phpinfo() function to see if everythings working fine that host 
on virtualmin or not and saw something interesting in PHP Variables 
section of phpinfo() !!
I saw some $_ENV variables which contains some information about the 
webmin and virtualmin even some passwords of virtualmin !!!!
here is some example about these variables :

_ENV["DOCUMENT_REALROOT"] 	/usr/libexec/webmin
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_MAILBOXLIMIT"] 	20
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_LOGROTATE"] 	1
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_PREFIX"] 	xxxxxxxxx ( I changed this !)
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_IP"] 	xx.xx.xx.xx ( this too ! )
_ENV["QUOTA_SBLOCKS"] 	10240
_ENV["HTTP_CONTENT_LENGTH"] 	436
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_LIMIT_WEB"] 	1
_ENV["QUOTA_FILESYS"] 	/home
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_GID"] 	538
_ENV["MINISERV_CONFIG"] 	/etc/webmin/miniserv.conf
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_POSTGRES"] 	/no value/
_ENV["VIRTUALSERVER_MAIL"] 	1
_ENV["QUOTA_HFILES"] 	0


and a lot of other variables which is really secure ! I don't know from 
where phpinfo() found these but I need to solve this problem ASAP ! Also 
I checked the same issue on another server and the same result happened 
! any idea ?

-- 
Regards
    =================================================================
   /  Seyyed Hamid Reza    /        WINDOWS FOR NOW  !!            /
  /  Hashemi Golpayegani  /  Linux for future , FreeBSD for ever  /
 /    Morva System Co.   / ------------------------------------- /
/  Network Administrator/ ha...@mo...   ,   ICQ# : 42209876 /
================================================================ 

Re: [webmin-l] Unexpected behaviour with Virtualmin.

[Alan D. <We...@Om...>]

On 1/8/2006 8:52 AM, cw wrote:
> The concern though is that I would expect this mailbox to be applied
> only to messages addressed to the hostname of the server. I've tested
> a few other aliases defined in there and it would seem that anything
> addressed to one of those aliases under *any* domain is redirected as
> per /etc/mail/aliases unless it is explicitly defined in the domain as
> something else.
>
> So is this expected behaviour? Personally I would have expected each
> domain to be treated completely separately the aliases defined in
> /etc/mail/aliases only to be applied to the server hostname which
> isn't even domaina.tld it is host.domaina.tld 

Yes, this is expected behavior.  Aliases are system-wide, so they apply
by default to ALL domains.  Addresses for specific domains or hosts
belongs in the virtusertable.

If you want the virtusertable to be used strictly for certain domains
(or all domains) without consulting the aliases file, then you can
define a "catch all" for each of those domains with a destination of
error:nouser.  That will restrict the addresses for those domains to
only the addresses defined in the virtusertable.

Alan

AW: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

[Stefan S. <Ste...@fe...>]

Jamie,

the same. :-(

Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from =
Webmin?

Stefan

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: web...@li...
[mailto:web...@li...] Im Auftrag von Jamie
Cameron
Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2006 00:37
An: web...@li...
Betreff: Re: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

Hi Stefan,
I haven't seen that problem myself under Windows unfortunately.. =
Normally
the response time is pretty fast, on par with Linux systems.

Does it help if you stop the webmin service, and instead start it =
manually
from a command shell window with :

c:/webmin/miniserv.pl c:/etc/webmin/miniserv.conf

 - Jamie

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Stefan Sabolowitsch" <Ste...@fe...>
Subj:  [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows
Date:  Sun 8 Jan 2006 6:29 pm
Size:  5K
To:  <web...@li...>

               Hi List, Jamie.
  thanks for your good work with Webmin (I use it since version 0.65).
  Now I play something with Webmin under Windows.
 =20
  Windows service starts without problems and Webmin listens at port =
10000
  TCP pc1:1497 192.168.8.3:10000 HERGESTELLT
  TCP pc1:10000 192.168.8.3:1497 HERGESTELLT
 =20
  But the response time is extremely long.
 =20
  e.g IE Start to the Login Windows, more than 5min.
  Further as up to login the window i do not come, because it lasts to =
for a
long time.
 =20
  Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from =
Webmin?
  Someone has an idea why so slowly works ?
 =20
 =20
  Thanks for each assistance
 =20
  Stefan
 =20
 =20
 =20
  miniserv.log:
  192.168.8.3 - - [08/Jan/2006:07:51:17 +0100] GET / HTTP/1.1 401 163
 =20
  No errors
 =20
  OS =3DXP SP2 (without Firewall)
  Perl =3D v5.6.1 built for MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
  Webmin =3D devel 1.257 (but the same with 1.250)
 =20
     =20



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[webmin-l] Minor bug reading /etc/mail/aliases

[cw <we...@fi...>]

I was looking through the sendmail options to see if I could find 
anything relative to my other problem and I noticed a bit of a bug which 
is a separate issue, hence posting a separate message.

If I go to /sendmail/list_aliases.cgi I find that the output of webmin 
completely ignores any quotes in the aliases file. The FreeBSD aliases 
file contains quite a few quotes so I wouldn't want to start trying to 
alter things with Webmin incase it unquotes stuff.

An example is that the following quote:

# NOTE: /var/msgs and /var/msgs/bounds must be owned by sendmail's
#	DefaultUser (defaults to mailnull) for the msgs alias to work.

gets interpreted as:
Address: NOTE
Alias to: Write to file: /var/msgs
Alias to: Email Address: and
Alias to: Write to file /var/msgs/bounds

then one email address for each chunk of text separated by whitespace.

It might be an idea to have Webmin not attempt to do anything with the 
quotes unless you click the manual edit link. Trying to interpret and 
display them obviously doesn't work. I just test what happens if you try 
to alter it. It leaves it commented out but rewrites the quote onto one 
big long line.

I think this problem comes in from trying webmin disabling mail aliases 
by commenting them out but something needs to distinguish disabled 
mailboxes from comments..

Re: [webmin-l] Unexpected behaviour with Virtualmin.

[cw <we...@fi...>]

> This may be a Virtualmin bug, if it has setup the sendmail aliases and
> virtusers incorrectly somehow. What are the relevant entries in
> /etc/mail/virtusertable and /etc/mail/aliases for the problem address
> and the catchall? They should reveal how mail is really being
> delivered..
> 
>  - Jamie

Cheers for the reply Jamie,

/etc/mail/aliases has is basically all the default FreeBSD stuff. I 
suspect the problem is this line:

security:       root

root is redirected to the catchall for domaina.tld

The concern though is that I would expect this mailbox to be applied 
only to messages addressed to the hostname of the server. I've tested a 
few other aliases defined in there and it would seem that anything 
addressed to one of those aliases under *any* domain is redirected as 
per /etc/mail/aliases unless it is explicitly defined in the domain as 
something else.

So is this expected behaviour? Personally I would have expected each 
domain to be treated completely separately the aliases defined in 
/etc/mail/aliases only to be applied to the server hostname which isn't 
even domaina.tld it is host.domaina.tld

Regards,
Colin.

Re: [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Hi Stefan,
I haven't seen that problem myself under Windows unfortunately.. Normally the response time is pretty fast, on par with Linux systems.

Does it help if you stop the webmin service, and instead start it manually from a command shell window with :

c:/webmin/miniserv.pl c:/etc/webmin/miniserv.conf

 - Jamie

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Stefan Sabolowitsch" <Ste...@fe...>
Subj:  [webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows
Date:  Sun 8 Jan 2006 6:29 pm
Size:  5K
To:  <web...@li...>

               Hi List, Jamie.
  thanks for your good work with Webmin (I use it since version 0.65).
  Now I play something with Webmin under Windows.
  
  Windows service starts without problems and Webmin listens at port 10000
  TCP pc1:1497 192.168.8.3:10000 HERGESTELLT
  TCP pc1:10000 192.168.8.3:1497 HERGESTELLT
  
  But the response time is extremely long.
  
  e.g IE Start to the Login Windows, more than 5min.
  Further as up to login the window i do not come, because it lasts to for a long time.
  
  Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from Webmin?
  Someone has an idea why so slowly works ?
  
  
  Thanks for each assistance
  
  Stefan
  
  
  
  miniserv.log:
  192.168.8.3 - - [08/Jan/2006:07:51:17 +0100] GET / HTTP/1.1 401 163
  
  No errors
  
  OS =XP SP2 (without Firewall)
  Perl = v5.6.1 built for MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
  Webmin = devel 1.257 (but the same with 1.250)
  
      

Re: [webmin-l] Unexpected behaviour with Virtualmin.

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 22:59, cw wrote:
> I recently posted under another address whilst I was having trouble 
> rebuilding a server but sorted that one out.
> Shortly before I had to rebuild the server I noticed virtualmin 
> delivering some messages to the wrong vhost. Since the rebuild I hoped 
> it had gone away but I have just had a message to exactly the same 
> mailbox delivered to the same incorrect vhost.
> 
> Setup: FreeBSD 6.0, Webmin 1.250, Virtualmin 2.610
> Machine hostname: machine.domaina.tld
> Domains in question: domaina.tld, domainb.tld
> Mailbox in question: sec...@do...
> Catchalls in question: cat...@do...
> 
> There is no user set up with the mailbox security@ in any domain, nor is 
> there on the server itself. The mailbox sec...@do... does not 
> exist. Where a mailbox does not exist, sendmail normally rejects at the 
> SMTP level saying "user unknown".
> When an e-mail is addressed to sec...@do..., it gets delivered 
> to the catchall mailbox for domaina.tld.
> 
> The message also goes through ClamAV 0.87.1 and SpamAssassin 3.1.0 but 
> as far as I know they are not responsible for determining where the 
> message ends up (ClamAV quarantines only viruses, SA only injects its 
> headers and alters the subject.
> 
> Headers are below, anyone got any advice as to how the message is 
> getting to where it is getting? Is this even a Virtualmin problem or is 
> it more likely something in Sendmail?
> 
> Received: by machine.domaina.tld (mbox cat...@do...)
>   (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Jan  8 11:21:40 2006)
> X-From_: si...@fu... Sun Jan  8 10:58:16 2006
> Return-Path: <si...@fu...>
> Received: from friend (pcp0011888159pcs.pnsakn01.nj.comcast.net 
> [69.249.13.172])
> 	by machine.domaina.tld (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08AwAXe005089
> 	for <sec...@do...>; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:58:15 GMT
> 	(envelope-from si...@fu...)
> Message-ID: <000001c61442$66b25c80$0100007f@VINHCAM-USER>
> From: "Simon" <si...@fu...>
> To: <sec...@do...

This may be a Virtualmin bug, if it has setup the sendmail aliases and
virtusers incorrectly somehow. What are the relevant entries in
/etc/mail/virtusertable and /etc/mail/aliases for the problem address
and the catchall? They should reveal how mail is really being
delivered..

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] sendmail addtions

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 21:48, Obantec Support wrote:
> Hi Jamie
> 
> I have a lot of relay domains & local domains and when a customer leaves i
> remove the domains from CR & Cw. is there a chance of adding a search box
> like under the virtuser to make it easier?

The problem here is that the domains are shown in a text box, so
searching really has to be done on the browser side. The alternative
would be to use a table with clickable links instead, but that wouldn't
be as user-friendly when the number of domains is low, as it is in most
cases..

 - Jamie

[webmin-l] Unexpected behaviour with Virtualmin.

[cw <we...@fi...>]

I recently posted under another address whilst I was having trouble 
rebuilding a server but sorted that one out.
Shortly before I had to rebuild the server I noticed virtualmin 
delivering some messages to the wrong vhost. Since the rebuild I hoped 
it had gone away but I have just had a message to exactly the same 
mailbox delivered to the same incorrect vhost.

Setup: FreeBSD 6.0, Webmin 1.250, Virtualmin 2.610
Machine hostname: machine.domaina.tld
Domains in question: domaina.tld, domainb.tld
Mailbox in question: sec...@do...
Catchalls in question: cat...@do...

There is no user set up with the mailbox security@ in any domain, nor is 
there on the server itself. The mailbox sec...@do... does not 
exist. Where a mailbox does not exist, sendmail normally rejects at the 
SMTP level saying "user unknown".
When an e-mail is addressed to sec...@do..., it gets delivered 
to the catchall mailbox for domaina.tld.

The message also goes through ClamAV 0.87.1 and SpamAssassin 3.1.0 but 
as far as I know they are not responsible for determining where the 
message ends up (ClamAV quarantines only viruses, SA only injects its 
headers and alters the subject.

Headers are below, anyone got any advice as to how the message is 
getting to where it is getting? Is this even a Virtualmin problem or is 
it more likely something in Sendmail?

Received: by machine.domaina.tld (mbox cat...@do...)
  (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Jan  8 11:21:40 2006)
X-From_: si...@fu... Sun Jan  8 10:58:16 2006
Return-Path: <si...@fu...>
Received: from friend (pcp0011888159pcs.pnsakn01.nj.comcast.net 
[69.249.13.172])
	by machine.domaina.tld (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08AwAXe005089
	for <sec...@do...>; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:58:15 GMT
	(envelope-from si...@fu...)
Message-ID: <000001c61442$66b25c80$0100007f@VINHCAM-USER>
From: "Simon" <si...@fu...>
To: <sec...@do...

[webmin-l] sendmail addtions

[Obantec S. <su...@ob...>]

Hi Jamie

I have a lot of relay domains & local domains and when a customer leaves i
remove the domains from CR & Cw. is there a chance of adding a search box
like under the virtuser to make it easier?

Mark
--
Obantec Support
www.obantec.net
0845 458 3121
WebHosting and Domains
Nominet UK Member & IPStag Holder
CentralNic Accredited Reseller

[webmin-l] webmin very slow under Windows

[Stefan S. <Ste...@fe...>]

Hi List, Jamie.

thanks for your good work with Webmin (I use it since version 0.65).

Now I play something with Webmin under Windows.

 

Windows service starts without problems and Webmin listens at port 10000

TCP    pc1:1497               192.168.8.3:10000      HERGESTELLT

TCP    pc1:10000              192.168.8.3:1497       HERGESTELLT

 

But the response time is extremely long.

 

e.g IE Start to the Login Windows, more than 5min.

Further as up to login the window i do not come, because it lasts to for a
long time.

 

Is there a possibility to increase the debuglevel / loglevel from Webmin?

Someone has an idea why so slowly works ?

 

 

Thanks for each assistance

 

Stefan

 

 

 

miniserv.log:

192.168.8.3 - - [08/Jan/2006:07:51:17 +0100] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 401 163

 

No errors

 

OS =XP SP2 (without Firewall)

Perl = v5.6.1 built for MSWin32-x86-multi-thread

Webmin = devel 1.257 (but the same with 1.250)

[webmin-l] Re: Webmin: Access to server

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Hi Gerard,
Thanks for that login..
What is the IP address of your server though?
Also, can I sudo to root? Webmin won't run as any other user..

 - Jamie

On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 05:29, Gerard Seibert wrote:
> I am totally unable to get webmin to run. It simply crashes when I run
> the'setup.sh' script.
> 
> I have it installed on a FreeBSD 5.4 system. I just reinstalled it again
> from ports. I did not run the 'setup.sh' script again, since it will
> only crash if I do. I also do not have it now enabled in the
> /etc/rc.conf file. It is commented out.
> 
> I have created an account for you.
> 
> User Name: jcameron
> Password:  webmin
> 
> I believe you should be able to access my system and check out what is
> happening.
> 
> If you could please take a look at this for me, I would greatly
> appreciate it. I have posted on the forum several times regarding the
> problems I was having with it.
> 
> If you need further info, please contact me. In addition, please let me
> know when you have completed your analysis. I am very interested in
> knowing why both myself, and a few other individuals, are having this
> problem.

Re: [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 03:55, GX wrote:
> At 05:43 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 06:39, GX wrote:
> > > At 06:37 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 02:03, GX wrote:
> > > > > At 03:57 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Glenn,
> > > > > > What program are your users using to send email? If it is Usermin,
> > > > > > it needs to be configured to use the correct From: addresses when
> > > > > > sending email. This can be set up in Webmin -> Usermin Configuration
> > > > > > -> Usermin Module Configuration -> Read Mail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  - Jamie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From:  GX <gx...@1b...>
> > > > > > Subj:  [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users
> > > > > > Date:  Wed 4 Jan 2006 8:11 am
> > > > > > Size:  1K
> > > > > > To:  Webmin List <web...@li...>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am using Webmin/Virtualmin/Usermin on my mail server. I use
> > > > > > Sendmail/MailScanner/SpamAssassin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to get some of my virtual host's mail to tag their
> > > > > > outgoing mail with their virtual host's domain to no avail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've tried setting them up under Sendmail under 'Ougoing Addresses'
> > > > > > and 'Outgoing Domains'. I am also testing with my own personal
> > > > > > account in Usermin and am unable to save the change of my own valid
> > > > > > account name with valid virtual host domain under 'Complex' - 'Mail
> > > > > > Forwarding' under Usermin.
> > > > >
> > > > > SNIP!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Jamie,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using Usermin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can I use a variable in the 'Default hostname for From: addresses '
> > > > > textbox? Is that how I would use all my virtual hosts names from
> > > > > Virtualmin?
> > > > >
> > > > > I already have:
> > > > > Allow editing of From: address  Yes
> > > > >
> > > > > From: address mapping file /etc/mail/generics
> > > > >
> > > > > Address mapping file format Username to address (genericstable)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank You again!
> > > >
> > > >Hi Glenn,
> > > >The options would most likely want are :
> > > >
> > > >Default hostname for From: addresses: From real hostname
> > > >Allow editing of From: address: No
> > > >From: address mapping file: /etc/mail/virtusertable
> > > >Address mapping file format: Address to username
> > > >
> > > >Virtualmin maintains the /etc/mail/virtusertable , which contains
> > > >mappings between email addresses and Unix logins.
> > > >
> > > >  - Jamie
> > >
> > > Hello Jamie,
> > >
> > > Once again THANKS! However, when I save my changes and revisit, the
> > > changes are not saved
> > > https://my.maildomain.com:10007/usermin/edit_configs.cgi?mod=mailbox
> >
> >That's odd .. are they being updated in /etc/usermin/mailbox/config ?
> >Perhaps your browser is caching the form fields?
> >
> >  - Jamie
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> Usermin version 1.18, Webmin version 1.20. CentOS 3.x fully updated. 
> I was using Firefox to browse, modify.  I rebooted. Cleared cache. 
> Tried to modify again. It comes back unchanged. No changes in 
> /etc/usermin/mailbox/config.
> 
> I also tried MSIE. Same result.

That's really odd..
Are you clicking the first Save button on the page (under the section
containing those options), instead of the second? The second Save will
save defaults for user preferences, which isn't what you want..

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users

[GX <gx...@1b...>]

At 05:43 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote:

>On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 06:39, GX wrote:
> > At 06:37 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 02:03, GX wrote:
> > > > At 03:57 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Glenn,
> > > > > What program are your users using to send email? If it is Usermin,
> > > > > it needs to be configured to use the correct From: addresses when
> > > > > sending email. This can be set up in Webmin -> Usermin Configuration
> > > > > -> Usermin Module Configuration -> Read Mail.
> > > > >
> > > > >  - Jamie
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >
> > > > > From:  GX <gx...@1b...>
> > > > > Subj:  [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users
> > > > > Date:  Wed 4 Jan 2006 8:11 am
> > > > > Size:  1K
> > > > > To:  Webmin List <web...@li...>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using Webmin/Virtualmin/Usermin on my mail server. I use
> > > > > Sendmail/MailScanner/SpamAssassin.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to get some of my virtual host's mail to tag their
> > > > > outgoing mail with their virtual host's domain to no avail.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've tried setting them up under Sendmail under 'Ougoing Addresses'
> > > > > and 'Outgoing Domains'. I am also testing with my own personal
> > > > > account in Usermin and am unable to save the change of my own valid
> > > > > account name with valid virtual host domain under 'Complex' - 'Mail
> > > > > Forwarding' under Usermin.
> > > >
> > > > SNIP!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Jamie,
> > > >
> > > > I am using Usermin.
> > > >
> > > > Can I use a variable in the 'Default hostname for From: addresses '
> > > > textbox? Is that how I would use all my virtual hosts names from
> > > > Virtualmin?
> > > >
> > > > I already have:
> > > > Allow editing of From: address  Yes
> > > >
> > > > From: address mapping file /etc/mail/generics
> > > >
> > > > Address mapping file format Username to address (genericstable)
> > > >
> > > > Thank You again!
> > >
> > >Hi Glenn,
> > >The options would most likely want are :
> > >
> > >Default hostname for From: addresses: From real hostname
> > >Allow editing of From: address: No
> > >From: address mapping file: /etc/mail/virtusertable
> > >Address mapping file format: Address to username
> > >
> > >Virtualmin maintains the /etc/mail/virtusertable , which contains
> > >mappings between email addresses and Unix logins.
> > >
> > >  - Jamie
> >
> > Hello Jamie,
> >
> > Once again THANKS! However, when I save my changes and revisit, the
> > changes are not saved
> > https://my.maildomain.com:10007/usermin/edit_configs.cgi?mod=mailbox
>
>That's odd .. are they being updated in /etc/usermin/mailbox/config ?
>Perhaps your browser is caching the form fields?
>
>  - Jamie

Hello Jamie,

Usermin version 1.18, Webmin version 1.20. CentOS 3.x fully updated. 
I was using Firefox to browse, modify.  I rebooted. Cleared cache. 
Tried to modify again. It comes back unchanged. No changes in 
/etc/usermin/mailbox/config.

I also tried MSIE. Same result.

Thanks,
Glenn Parsons  

Re: [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 06:39, GX wrote:
> At 06:37 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 02:03, GX wrote:
> > > At 03:57 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Glenn,
> > > > What program are your users using to send email? If it is Usermin,
> > > > it needs to be configured to use the correct From: addresses when
> > > > sending email. This can be set up in Webmin -> Usermin Configuration
> > > > -> Usermin Module Configuration -> Read Mail.
> > > >
> > > >  - Jamie
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From:  GX <gx...@1b...>
> > > > Subj:  [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users
> > > > Date:  Wed 4 Jan 2006 8:11 am
> > > > Size:  1K
> > > > To:  Webmin List <web...@li...>
> > > >
> > > > Hello All,
> > > >
> > > > I am using Webmin/Virtualmin/Usermin on my mail server. I use
> > > > Sendmail/MailScanner/SpamAssassin.
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to get some of my virtual host's mail to tag their
> > > > outgoing mail with their virtual host's domain to no avail.
> > > >
> > > > I've tried setting them up under Sendmail under 'Ougoing Addresses'
> > > > and 'Outgoing Domains'. I am also testing with my own personal
> > > > account in Usermin and am unable to save the change of my own valid
> > > > account name with valid virtual host domain under 'Complex' - 'Mail
> > > > Forwarding' under Usermin.
> > >
> > > SNIP!
> > >
> > > Thanks Jamie,
> > >
> > > I am using Usermin.
> > >
> > > Can I use a variable in the 'Default hostname for From: addresses '
> > > textbox? Is that how I would use all my virtual hosts names from
> > > Virtualmin?
> > >
> > > I already have:
> > > Allow editing of From: address  Yes
> > >
> > > From: address mapping file /etc/mail/generics
> > >
> > > Address mapping file format Username to address (genericstable)
> > >
> > > Thank You again!
> >
> >Hi Glenn,
> >The options would most likely want are :
> >
> >Default hostname for From: addresses: From real hostname
> >Allow editing of From: address: No
> >From: address mapping file: /etc/mail/virtusertable
> >Address mapping file format: Address to username
> >
> >Virtualmin maintains the /etc/mail/virtusertable , which contains
> >mappings between email addresses and Unix logins.
> >
> >  - Jamie
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> Once again THANKS! However, when I save my changes and revisit, the 
> changes are not saved
> https://my.maildomain.com:10007/usermin/edit_configs.cgi?mod=mailbox

That's odd .. are they being updated in /etc/usermin/mailbox/config ?
Perhaps your browser is caching the form fields?

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users

[GX <gx...@1b...>]

At 06:37 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote:

>On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 02:03, GX wrote:
> > At 03:57 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Glenn,
> > > What program are your users using to send email? If it is Usermin,
> > > it needs to be configured to use the correct From: addresses when
> > > sending email. This can be set up in Webmin -> Usermin Configuration
> > > -> Usermin Module Configuration -> Read Mail.
> > >
> > >  - Jamie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From:  GX <gx...@1b...>
> > > Subj:  [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on users
> > > Date:  Wed 4 Jan 2006 8:11 am
> > > Size:  1K
> > > To:  Webmin List <web...@li...>
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I am using Webmin/Virtualmin/Usermin on my mail server. I use
> > > Sendmail/MailScanner/SpamAssassin.
> > >
> > > I am trying to get some of my virtual host's mail to tag their
> > > outgoing mail with their virtual host's domain to no avail.
> > >
> > > I've tried setting them up under Sendmail under 'Ougoing Addresses'
> > > and 'Outgoing Domains'. I am also testing with my own personal
> > > account in Usermin and am unable to save the change of my own valid
> > > account name with valid virtual host domain under 'Complex' - 'Mail
> > > Forwarding' under Usermin.
> >
> > SNIP!
> >
> > Thanks Jamie,
> >
> > I am using Usermin.
> >
> > Can I use a variable in the 'Default hostname for From: addresses '
> > textbox? Is that how I would use all my virtual hosts names from
> > Virtualmin?
> >
> > I already have:
> > Allow editing of From: address  Yes
> >
> > From: address mapping file /etc/mail/generics
> >
> > Address mapping file format Username to address (genericstable)
> >
> > Thank You again!
>
>Hi Glenn,
>The options would most likely want are :
>
>Default hostname for From: addresses: From real hostname
>Allow editing of From: address: No
>From: address mapping file: /etc/mail/virtusertable
>Address mapping file format: Address to username
>
>Virtualmin maintains the /etc/mail/virtusertable , which contains
>mappings between email addresses and Unix logins.
>
>  - Jamie

Hello Jamie,

Once again THANKS! However, when I save my changes and revisit, the 
changes are not saved
https://my.maildomain.com:10007/usermin/edit_configs.cgi?mod=mailbox

Any idea?

Thanks,
Glenn Parsons  

Re: [webmin-l] QMAIL

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

There is a chapter on the QMail module in my Webmin book, available in
PDF format at :

http://www.informit.com/content/downloads/Perens%20Downloads/0131408828_pdf.zip

 - Jamie

On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 20:49, udin marpaung wrote:
> I have installed qmail module in webmin but i couldn't configure..
> can you give tutorial how to configure qmail in webmin?
> 
> thank
> 
> Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:
>         Have you tried out the Qmail module that comes with Webmin? It
>         can
>         configure pretty much everything that you would want to manage
>         with
>         Qmail. The only thing it can't do is install Qmail .. that has
>         to be
>         done manually.
>         
>         - Jamie
>         
>         On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 15:34, udin marpaung wrote:
>         > Hello friend
>         > 
>         > please help me?
>         > I want to configure mail server using qmail with webmin,
>         > can you help me how to configure qmail using webmin?
>         > 
>         > thank
>         > 
>         > Jamie Cameron  wrote:
>         > Hi Glenn,
>         > What program are your users us ing to send email? If it is
>         > Usermin, it needs to be configured to use the correct From:
>         > addresses when sending email. This can be set up in Webmin
>         ->
>         > Usermin Configuration -> Usermin Module Configuration ->
>         Read
>         > Mail.
>         > 
>         > - Jamie
>         > 
>         > -----Original Message-----
>         > 
>         > From: GX 
>         > Subj: [webmin-l] Cannot change outgoing mail address on
>         users
>         > Date: Wed 4 Jan 2006 8:11 am
>         > Size: 1K
>         > To: Webmin List 
>         > 
>         > Hello All,
>         > 
>         > I am using Webmin/Virtualmin/Usermin on my ma il server. I
>         use
>         > Sendmail/MailScanner/SpamAssassin.
>         > 
>         > I am trying to get some of my virtual host's mail to tag
>         their
>         > outgoing mail with their virtual host's domain to no avail.
>         > <
>          br>> I've tried setting them up under Sendmail under 'Ougoing
>         > Addresses' 
>         > and 'Outgoing Domains'. I am also testing with my own
>         personal
>         > account in Usermin and am unable to save the change of my
>         own
>         > valid 
>         > account name with valid virtual host domain under 'Complex'
>         -
>         > 'Mail 
>         > Forwarding' under Usermin.
>         > 
>         > Can someone please assist?
>         > 
>         > I have tried Googling and playing with this quite a bit the
>         > last week.
>         > 
>         > Thank You!
>         > Glenn
>         > 
>         > 
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