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Re: [webmin-l] updates

[Barry <we...@i1...>]

Jamie Cameron wrote:
> On 11/Dec/2006 18:52 Barry wrote ..
>> OK - a little more info after some more testing -
>>
>> It does indeed seem I am running into a low memory condition.
>>
>> How much memory does miniserv/webmin need anyway?
>>
>> Miniserv.error gives me the sparse message:
>>
>> Out of memory!
>>
>> which doesn't help me help it :(
> 
> It really doesn't use much memory.. on one of my systems it uses 95 MB with a bunch
> of Webmin libraries pre-loaded to speed up modules. On another machine without
> preloading, only 10MB is used.
> 
> By default, module preloading is only setup automatically if using Virtualmin pro.

It kinda looks now like the modules that display lists are the most 
likely to cause this error. I have seen this behavior before, but I 
guess I didn't make the connection until now.

Maybe it is not miniserv itself as much as teh perl programs? Virtual 
min is one, I have seen it when listing aliases and especially when 
listing email for a user account, or the results of a query on email. I 
also saw it just now when trying to compose an email by a brand new 
user. Maybe there is some peak usage there?

Also I wonder if the new frames them causes extra hits on the server, 
causing it to spawn new children more often then it would have before? 
Is there some configuration I can do in that area, like I can with apache>

As for the discrepancy between the system info display in webmin and top 
and free, the latter two seem to be in close alignment, a lot closer the 
webmin display is to either.

BTW, I just noticed I had pop/pop3s and smtp active in zinetd, and I 
also had sendmail and dovecot running as services. I just turned off the 
xinetd ones, will see if that helps any.

Best,

Barry

Re: [webmin-l] frame theme error

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 11/Dec/2006 19:41 Barry wrote ..
> I noticed the error message:
> 
> /unauthenticated/toggleview.js : File not found
> 
> in miniserv.error when I select the new framed theme.
> 
> I do have:
> 
> # locate toggleview.js
> /usr/libexec/webmin/blue-theme/toggleview.js
> 
> so maybe a file either got dropped from the theme (or this is evidence
> of the upgrade not being fully completed as I thought might have
> happened earlier?)

Thanks for pointing this out - that is minor bug, as the functions in
toggleview.js aren't used anywhere except the left frame, which does use
the correct path. But it is bad to generate so many messages in the error
log, so I'll fix this in the next release.

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] updates

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 11/Dec/2006 18:52 Barry wrote ..
> OK - a little more info after some more testing -
> 
> It does indeed seem I am running into a low memory condition.
> 
> How much memory does miniserv/webmin need anyway?
> 
> Miniserv.error gives me the sparse message:
> 
> Out of memory!
> 
> which doesn't help me help it :(

It really doesn't use much memory.. on one of my systems it uses 95 MB with a bunch
of Webmin libraries pre-loaded to speed up modules. On another machine without
preloading, only 10MB is used.

By default, module preloading is only setup automatically if using Virtualmin pro.

> For now this seems to be happening most consistently in the virtualmin
> module (I have ! 10 domains, with  form 1 to 6 or so aliases in each 
> one, possibly up to about 5 subdomains in a few of them.
> 
> This seems to be happening regardless of the theme - the "old webmin 
> theme" has the same issue.
> 
> I do notice that the new framed thems reports the memory usage at some
> instant in time. But it doesn't seem to be anything close to what top is
> reporting. For instance, webmin reports: 128 MB total, 110 MB used, 
> while top is showing Mem:    131072k total,    88856k used,
> 
> That is a big difference in a tight space - so how is webmin calculating
> the amount?

>From /proc/meminfo file. The 'free' command should show the same thing.
Does your system only have 128MB RAM? That may be too little .. 

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] updates

[Barry <we...@i1...>]

Barry wrote:
> OK - a little more info after some more testing -
>
> It does indeed seem I am running into a low memory condition.
>
> How much memory does miniserv/webmin need anyway?
>
> Miniserv.error gives me the sparse message:
>
> Out of memory!
>
> which doesn't help me help it :(
>
> For now this seems to be happening most consistently in the virtualmin 
> module (I have ! 10 domains, with  form 1 to 6 or so aliases in each 
> one, possibly up to about 5 subdomains in a few of them.
>
> This seems to be happening regardless of the theme - the "old webmin 
> theme" has the same issue.
>
> I do notice that the new framed thems reports the memory usage at some 
> instant in time. But it doesn't seem to be anything close to what top is 
> reporting. For instance, webmin reports: 128 MB total, 110 MB used, 
> while top is showing Mem:    131072k total,    88856k used,
>
> That is a big difference in a tight space - so how is webmin calculating 
> the amount?
>
> Best,
>
> Barry
>   
OK, I stopped a bunch of the larger memory using services - mysql and
httpd, and then just ran the webmin upgrade again. Still no indication
in the browser it completed, but when the load in top went down I
assumed all was well.

then I rebooted my server, and now webmin shows: 128 MB total, 80 MB
used while top shows: Mem:    131072k total,    67184k used,    63888k free

Better, but still a big gap. I suppose as my server runs, the memory
usage might creep up to a point, but for now webmin seems able to load
the virtualmin page. But I am not happy about the gap in memory usage
reported,nor the idea that it might take on the order of 30MB of memory
just to load the virtualmin summary page.... that sounds like an awful lot!

Any tips appreciated, as I can't really increase the memory or create
swap space on this server. Can I tune webmin/virtualmin/miniserv to use
less memory? How about mysql? apache is already down to just about nada
- I suppose I could make a thin server and a thick one with php and
perl, but given that I only have maxservers=3 for http, I don't know how
much is to be gained by reducing it to 2...

Best,

Barry

[webmin-l] frame theme error

[Barry <we...@i1...>]

I noticed the error message:

/unauthenticated/toggleview.js : File not found

in miniserv.error when I select the new framed theme.

I do have:

# locate toggleview.js
/usr/libexec/webmin/blue-theme/toggleview.js

so maybe a file either got dropped from the theme (or this is evidence
of the upgrade not being fully completed as I thought might have
happened earlier?)

Best,

Barry

Re: [webmin-l] updates

[Barry <we...@i1...>]

OK - a little more info after some more testing -

It does indeed seem I am running into a low memory condition.

How much memory does miniserv/webmin need anyway?

Miniserv.error gives me the sparse message:

Out of memory!

which doesn't help me help it :(

For now this seems to be happening most consistently in the virtualmin 
module (I have ! 10 domains, with  form 1 to 6 or so aliases in each 
one, possibly up to about 5 subdomains in a few of them.

This seems to be happening regardless of the theme - the "old webmin 
theme" has the same issue.

I do notice that the new framed thems reports the memory usage at some 
instant in time. But it doesn't seem to be anything close to what top is 
reporting. For instance, webmin reports: 128 MB total, 110 MB used, 
while top is showing Mem:    131072k total,    88856k used,

That is a big difference in a tight space - so how is webmin calculating 
the amount?

Best,

Barry

[webmin-l] upgrade issues

[Barry <we...@i1...>]

Hmm, been working on my email system, and stuff may have bounced for a 
few hours over the last few days, so I hope I am still subscribed to 
this list.

I tried to upgrade webmin from 1.290 to 1.310. Not sure if it went well, 
eventually had to to an rpm install by hand the other day. Today, due to 
issues listed below, I did an upgrade via the interface, telling it to 
reinstall if the same version already installed. That ran for a while - 
I watched it in a terminal window via top - and I guess it ran OK,. the 
main frame in webmin didn't really give any indication after the message 
that said :please wait a minute before continuing".

So now I want to add a new domain via virtualmin gpl, and I am seeing 
what might be timeout behaviors. Also I am seeing similar behavior on 
other screens as well.

Basically what happens, is the main frame returns from the server before 
all the html (or even *any*) of the html is sent. In the case of the 
virtualmin screen, I can't create the server. Inthe case of listing 
email domains on a server, I don't always get the full list.

I tried restarting both my browser and the server, the behavior does not 
change.

System info:

VS running under virtuozzo, 128MB memory
.CentOs 4.3
Top reports between 50 and 65MB in use. so it doesn't appear to be a 
memory issue.

How can I be sure I have installed the upgrade successfully?
Any ideas mwhat might be my problem?

Best,

Barry


PS - I am not a fan of the new frame based UI - I can no longer refresh 
the main frame, which is something I seemed to be doing habitually as a 
shortcut. Is there anyway to go back to the previous Simple Blue theme?

Re: [webmin-l] password resets

[boricua <bo...@de...>]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:39:55 -0700
Morris Hooten - SLS Business Infrastructure <Mor...@Su...> wrote:

> is there a module or way to enable a user to have their password retrieved
> or change their own password? anotherwords if a usermin user can't remember
> their password they can't log in unless someone else resets it correct?


wouldn't that be his email password as well

[webmin-l] password resets

[Morris H. - S. B. I. <Mor...@Su...>]

is there a module or way to enable a user to have their password retrieved
or change their own password? anotherwords if a usermin user can't remember
their password they can't log in unless someone else resets it correct?

Thanks

Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Hi Grant,<br />I'm not sure what you mean by having an in-addr.arpa entry added when create a new forward zone?<br />Webmin doesn't do anything like this ... instead, it only adds in-addr.arpa PTR records when you create a new forward A record.<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 11/Dec/2006 07:53 Grant Peel wrote ..
<blockquote type=3D"cite">

<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Jamie,</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I am stuck in a not too bad-a-place right now. Here 
is what I am seeing:</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I add a forward zone, and click &quot;Apply 
Changes&quot; from within the &quot;Edit Master Zone&quot; beleive it or not, the zone becomes 
active on both servers.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 No reverse is 
added=A0automaticaly.</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I add the reverse to the arpa zone and click the 
&quot;Apply Changes&quot; and the new reverse becomes active on both.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I delete the forward, I am presented with a 
screen that asks me if I want to Delete the Reverse (I say yes) and Delete from 
Slave (I say yes), and hit Delete, it takes out the zone, arpa antry, and config 
from master and slave. Then when I go back to the mainpage and hit apply, both 
master and slave are HUPed.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">So again, the only real 'problem' I see is that the 
arpa entry is not being added when a forward zone is added. &lt;--- any 
ideas?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">As for the Forward and Reverse needing to be 
applied, I havent got far enough to see that problem. But would'nt a HUP solve 
that?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grnat</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
  <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Djcameron%40webmin%2Ecom" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
  Cameron</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dgpeel%40thenetnow%2Ecom" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dwebadmin%2Dlist%40lists%2Esourceforge%2Enet" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:31 
  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
  <div><br /></div>One 'bug' in Webmin at the moment is that when you add a record 
  to a forward zone which triggers the addition of a corresponding record to 
  reverse zone, <span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">both </span>zones need to be 
  applied for the change to fully take effect. If you only click Apply in the 
  forward zone, BIND will not reload the reverse zone.<br /><br />I am still working 
  out a way to properly fix this ..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 10/Dec/2006 
  18:06 Grant Peel wrote .. 
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Yes, when I update a Zone, I use the update 
    button. When I add a zone I use the apply changes button.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
      Original Message ----- </div>
      <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
      Cameron</a> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
      ; <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin 
      users list</a> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
      Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:53 PM</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
      Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
      <div><br /></div>So the zone transfer is not bringing in new records?! That 
      is odd ..<br />Are you always using the Apply Changes button on the module's 
      main page after making any record changes?<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 
      10/Dec/2006 03:52 Grant Peel wrote .. 
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Jamie,</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">After many millions more milliseconds of 
        testing, here is the sum of what I see happening:</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When a new (forward) zone is added, a 
        reverse record is not being added, either on the master or 
        slave.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">If I add the reverse, let both nameservers 
        update, then delete the forward, it WILL remove the reverse 
        record.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">So, any ideas why it will automaticly 
        remove a reverse record, but not add one?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
        <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
          Original Message ----- </div>
          <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie Cameron</a> 
          </div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin 
          users list</a> </div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
          Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 PM</div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
          Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
          <div><br /></div>Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in 
          non-class-C zones now .. it has been improved a lot since the book was 
          written :-)<br /><br />If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C 
          and you have to use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, 
          Webmin will not automatically update them..<br /><br />=A0- 
          Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 18:07 Grant Peel wrote .. 
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks for the reply 
Jamie.</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I was reading in your book about 
            reverse DNS updating not being available to non class C blocks. Is 
            this still true?</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 
            126 at a time. when I add a forward zone, should my arpa zones be 
            able to be updated?</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
              Original Message ----- </div>
              <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
              <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
              Cameron</a> </div>
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
              <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; 
              <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
              Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM</div>
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
              Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
              <div><br /></div>Hi Grant,<br />You need to click the Apply Changes 
              button at the bottom of the main page in the BIND module after 
              adding zone. In a cluster setup, this will restart both the master 
              and slave servers, and so should trigger the transfer of both 
              forward and reverse zones..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 
              9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote .. 
              <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi (again) all,</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I *think* I have a grip on what is, 
                and is not happening here. ANyt helpo would be 
                aprreciated.</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When adding a new zone on the 
                master server, through webmin,</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 The (FORWARD) 
                zone is added and configured, and the named.conf change IS sent 
                to the slave, but, the zone is not being made active on the 
                slave. Is this normal?</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 
                =A0=A0=A0 If not any ideas how to fix?</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse zone 
                is not being updated at all on the master or slave. (yes, the 
                update reverse is ON by default).</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 Any ideas how 
                to fix?</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When deleting a zone:</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The (forward) 
                zone does get deleted from the master and the 
slave.</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse does 
                get removed from the master, and the serial number is inc'd. The 
                reverse is not done right away on the slave, but I suspect the 
                refresh will update it in an hour.</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0If I add or delete a reverse 
                record and click the apply button, it DOES apply to both the 
                Master and Slave.</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
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                  Peel</a> </div>
                  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
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                  Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM</div>
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                  Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
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                  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
                  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Not suprisingly, I found that my 
                  slave IS indeed being updated, howerver, my reverse zones 
                  don't appear to be.....stay tuned.</font></div>
                  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
                  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
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                    <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant 
                    Peel</a> </div>
                    <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
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                    Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM</div>
                    <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
                    [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
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                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have spent a lot of time 
                    getting the Bind8 DNS modules to work (cluster) on my master 
                    and slave server.</font></div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">THe only question (I think!) 
                    that I have now is:</font></div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I add/update/delete a zone 
                    on the master server, how to configure the master to tell 
                    the slave to reconfig or reload the zone?</font></div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">(The slave named.conf is being 
                    updated, but the changes are not being made active 
                    automaticaly).</font></div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Grant P. <gp...@th...>]

Jamie,

I am stuck in a not too bad-a-place right now. Here is what I am seeing:

When I add a forward zone, and click "Apply Changes" from within the =
"Edit Master Zone" beleive it or not, the zone becomes active on both =
servers.
    No reverse is added automaticaly.

I add the reverse to the arpa zone and click the "Apply Changes" and the =
new reverse becomes active on both.

When I delete the forward, I am presented with a screen that asks me if =
I want to Delete the Reverse (I say yes) and Delete from Slave (I say =
yes), and hit Delete, it takes out the zone, arpa antry, and config from =
master and slave. Then when I go back to the mainpage and hit apply, =
both master and slave are HUPed.

So again, the only real 'problem' I see is that the arpa entry is not =
being added when a forward zone is added. <--- any ideas?

As for the Forward and Reverse needing to be applied, I havent got far =
enough to see that problem. But would'nt a HUP solve that?

-Grnat
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jamie Cameron=20
  To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
  Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


  One 'bug' in Webmin at the moment is that when you add a record to a =
forward zone which triggers the addition of a corresponding record to =
reverse zone, both zones need to be applied for the change to fully take =
effect. If you only click Apply in the forward zone, BIND will not =
reload the reverse zone.

  I am still working out a way to properly fix this ..

   - Jamie

  On 10/Dec/2006 18:06 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
    Yes, when I update a Zone, I use the update button. When I add a =
zone I use the apply changes button.

    -Grant

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Jamie Cameron=20
      To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
      Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:53 PM
      Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


      So the zone transfer is not bringing in new records?! That is odd =
..
      Are you always using the Apply Changes button on the module's main =
page after making any record changes?

       - Jamie

      On 10/Dec/2006 03:52 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
        Jamie,

        After many millions more milliseconds of testing, here is the =
sum of what I see happening:

        When a new (forward) zone is added, a reverse record is not =
being added, either on the master or slave.

        If I add the reverse, let both nameservers update, then delete =
the forward, it WILL remove the reverse record.

        So, any ideas why it will automaticly remove a reverse record, =
but not add one?

        -Grant
          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: Jamie Cameron=20
          To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
          Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 PM
          Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


          Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in non-class-C =
zones now .. it has been improved a lot since the book was written :-)

          If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C and you =
have to use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin will =
not automatically update them..

           - Jamie

          On 9/Dec/2006 18:07 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
            Thanks for the reply Jamie.

            I was reading in your book about reverse DNS updating not =
being available to non class C blocks. Is this still true?

            My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at a time. when =
I add a forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be updated?

            -Grant

              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: Jamie Cameron=20
              To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
              Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM
              Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


              Hi Grant,
              You need to click the Apply Changes button at the bottom =
of the main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster =
setup, this will restart both the master and slave servers, and so =
should trigger the transfer of both forward and reverse zones..

               - Jamie

              On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
                Hi (again) all,

                I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not happening =
here. ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.

                When adding a new zone on the master server, through =
webmin,

                Q:    The (FORWARD) zone is added and configured, and =
the named.conf change IS sent to the slave, but, the zone is not being =
made active on the slave. Is this normal?
                        If not any ideas how to fix?
                    The reverse zone is not being updated at all on the =
master or slave. (yes, the update reverse is ON by default).
                Q:    Any ideas how to fix?

                When deleting a zone:

                    The (forward) zone does get deleted from the master =
and the slave.

                    The reverse does get removed from the master, and =
the serial number is inc'd. The reverse is not done right away on the =
slave, but I suspect the refresh will update it in an hour.

                 If I add or delete a reverse record and click the apply =
button, it DOES apply to both the Master and Slave.

                -Grant


                  ----- Original Message -----=20
                  From: Grant Peel=20
                  To: Webmin users list=20
                  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM
                  Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


                  Hi all,

                  Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed being =
updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay tuned.

                  -Grant

                    ----- Original Message -----=20
                    From: Grant Peel=20
                    To: Webmin List=20
                    Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM
                    Subject: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


                    Hi all,

                    I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 DNS =
modules to work (cluster) on my master and slave server.

                    THe only question (I think!) that I have now is:

                    When I add/update/delete a zone on the master =
server, how to configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig or =
reload the zone?

                    (The slave named.conf is being updated, but the =
changes are not being made active automaticaly).

                    -Grant




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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Kris D. <kd...@vi...>]

Jamie Cameron wrote:
> You need to click the Apply Changes button at the bottom of the main 
> page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster setup, this will 
> restart both the master and slave servers, and so should trigger the 
> transfer of both forward and reverse zones..

Curious...  if a zone is updated (and the serial incremented <g>), and 
the master is reloaded, it *should* send a NOTIFY to the slave 
server(s), which will then AXFR the zone.  Logfiles from both sides 
would be interesting to see for the failure case.

I have a local RBL passed on to several local slaves this way;  the zone 
file is regenerated and BIND (master) reloaded about every twenty minutes.

The only case I can think of where this might not happen is if NOTIFY 
has been disabled - in an all-BIND DNS environment, I can't see any 
advantage to doing so.

This obviously doesn't apply to *adding* or *removing* zones;  so far as 
I know there's no way to do that automatically through BIND's own 
internal processing.  :/

-kgd

Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

One 'bug' in Webmin at the moment is that when you add a record to a forward zone which triggers the addition of a corresponding record to reverse zone, <span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">both </span>zones need to be applied for the change to fully take effect. If you only click Apply in the forward zone, BIND will not reload the reverse zone.<br /><br />I am still working out a way to properly fix this ..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 10/Dec/2006 18:06 Grant Peel wrote ..
<blockquote type=3D"cite">

<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Yes, when I update a Zone, I use the update button. 
When I add a zone I use the apply changes button.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
  <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Djcameron%40webmin%2Ecom" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
  Cameron</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dgpeel%40thenetnow%2Ecom" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dwebadmin%2Dlist%40lists%2Esourceforge%2Enet" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:53 
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  <div><br /></div>So the zone transfer is not bringing in new records?! That is 
  odd ..<br />Are you always using the Apply Changes button on the module's main 
  page after making any record changes?<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 
  10/Dec/2006 03:52 Grant Peel wrote .. 
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Jamie,</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">After many millions more milliseconds of 
    testing, here is the sum of what I see happening:</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When a new (forward) zone is added, a reverse 
    record is not being added, either on the master or slave.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">If I add the reverse, let both nameservers 
    update, then delete the forward, it WILL remove the reverse 
    record.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">So, any ideas why it will automaticly remove a 
    reverse record, but not add one?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
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      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
      Cameron</a> </div>
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      Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 PM</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
      Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
      <div><br /></div>Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in non-class-C 
      zones now .. it has been improved a lot since the book was written 
      :-)<br /><br />If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C and you 
      have to use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin will 
      not automatically update them..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 
      18:07 Grant Peel wrote .. 
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks for the reply Jamie.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I was reading in your book about reverse 
        DNS updating not being available to non class C blocks. Is this still 
        true?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 
        at a time. when I add a forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be 
        updated?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
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          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie Cameron</a> 
          </div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin 
          users list</a> </div>
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          Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM</div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
          Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
          <div><br /></div>Hi Grant,<br />You need to click the Apply Changes button 
          at the bottom of the main page in the BIND module after adding zone. 
          In a cluster setup, this will restart both the master and slave 
          servers, and so should trigger the transfer of both forward and 
          reverse zones..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant 
          Peel wrote .. 
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi (again) all,</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I *think* I have a grip on what is, and 
            is not happening here. ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When adding a new zone on the master 
            server, through webmin,</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 The (FORWARD) zone 
            is added and configured, and the named.conf change IS sent to the 
            slave, but, the zone is not being made active on the slave. Is this 
            normal?</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 
            If not any ideas how to fix?</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse zone is 
            not being updated at all on the master or slave. (yes, the update 
            reverse is ON by default).</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 Any ideas how to 
            fix?</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When deleting a zone:</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The (forward) zone 
            does get deleted from the master and the slave.</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse does get 
            removed from the master, and the serial number is inc'd. The reverse 
            is not done right away on the slave, but I suspect the refresh will 
            update it in an hour.</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0If I add or delete a reverse 
            record and click the apply button, it DOES apply to both the Master 
            and Slave.</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
              Original Message ----- </div>
              <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
              <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
              </div>
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
              <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
              Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM</div>
              <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
              Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
              <div><br /></div>
              <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
              <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
              <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Not suprisingly, I found that my 
              slave IS indeed being updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't 
              appear to be.....stay tuned.</font></div>
              <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
              <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
              <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
              <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
                <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
                Original Message ----- </div>
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                <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
                </div>
                <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
                <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin List</a> </div>
                <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
                Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM</div>
                <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
                [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
                <div><br /></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have spent a lot of time getting 
                the Bind8 DNS modules to work (cluster) on my master and slave 
                server.</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">THe only question (I think!) that I 
                have now is:</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I add/update/delete a zone on 
                the master server, how to configure the master to tell the slave 
                to reconfig or reload the zone?</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">(The slave named.conf is being 
                updated, but the changes are not being made active 
                automaticaly).</font></div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
                <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Grant P. <gp...@th...>]

Yes, when I update a Zone, I use the update button. When I add a zone I =
use the apply changes button.

-Grant

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jamie Cameron=20
  To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
  Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


  So the zone transfer is not bringing in new records?! That is odd ..
  Are you always using the Apply Changes button on the module's main =
page after making any record changes?

   - Jamie

  On 10/Dec/2006 03:52 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
    Jamie,

    After many millions more milliseconds of testing, here is the sum of =
what I see happening:

    When a new (forward) zone is added, a reverse record is not being =
added, either on the master or slave.

    If I add the reverse, let both nameservers update, then delete the =
forward, it WILL remove the reverse record.

    So, any ideas why it will automaticly remove a reverse record, but =
not add one?

    -Grant
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Jamie Cameron=20
      To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
      Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 PM
      Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


      Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in non-class-C zones =
now .. it has been improved a lot since the book was written :-)

      If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C and you have =
to use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin will not =
automatically update them..

       - Jamie

      On 9/Dec/2006 18:07 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
        Thanks for the reply Jamie.

        I was reading in your book about reverse DNS updating not being =
available to non class C blocks. Is this still true?

        My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at a time. when I =
add a forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be updated?

        -Grant

          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: Jamie Cameron=20
          To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
          Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM
          Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


          Hi Grant,
          You need to click the Apply Changes button at the bottom of =
the main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster setup, =
this will restart both the master and slave servers, and so should =
trigger the transfer of both forward and reverse zones..

           - Jamie

          On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
            Hi (again) all,

            I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not happening =
here. ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.

            When adding a new zone on the master server, through webmin,

            Q:    The (FORWARD) zone is added and configured, and the =
named.conf change IS sent to the slave, but, the zone is not being made =
active on the slave. Is this normal?
                    If not any ideas how to fix?
                The reverse zone is not being updated at all on the =
master or slave. (yes, the update reverse is ON by default).
            Q:    Any ideas how to fix?

            When deleting a zone:

                The (forward) zone does get deleted from the master and =
the slave.

                The reverse does get removed from the master, and the =
serial number is inc'd. The reverse is not done right away on the slave, =
but I suspect the refresh will update it in an hour.

             If I add or delete a reverse record and click the apply =
button, it DOES apply to both the Master and Slave.

            -Grant


              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: Grant Peel=20
              To: Webmin users list=20
              Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM
              Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


              Hi all,

              Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed being =
updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay tuned.

              -Grant

                ----- Original Message -----=20
                From: Grant Peel=20
                To: Webmin List=20
                Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM
                Subject: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


                Hi all,

                I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 DNS modules =
to work (cluster) on my master and slave server.

                THe only question (I think!) that I have now is:

                When I add/update/delete a zone on the master server, =
how to configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig or reload the =
zone?

                (The slave named.conf is being updated, but the changes =
are not being made active automaticaly).

                -Grant




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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

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So the zone transfer is not bringing in new records?! That is odd ..<br />Are you always using the Apply Changes button on the module's main page after making any record changes?<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 10/Dec/2006 03:52 Grant Peel wrote ..
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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Jamie,</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">After many millions more milliseconds of testing, 
here is the sum of what I see happening:</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When a new (forward) zone is added, a reverse 
record is not being added, either on the master or slave.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">If I add the reverse, let both nameservers update, 
then delete the forward, it WILL remove the reverse record.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">So, any ideas why it will automaticly remove a 
reverse record, but not add one?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
  <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Djcameron%40webmin%2Ecom" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
  Cameron</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dgpeel%40thenetnow%2Ecom" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dwebadmin%2Dlist%40lists%2Esourceforge%2Enet" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 
  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
  <div><br /></div>Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in non-class-C 
  zones now .. it has been improved a lot since the book was written 
  :-)<br /><br />If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C and you have to 
  use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin will not 
  automatically update them..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 18:07 
  Grant Peel wrote .. 
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks for the reply Jamie.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I was reading in your book about reverse DNS 
    updating not being available to non class C blocks. Is this still 
    true?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at 
    a time. when I add a forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be 
    updated?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
      Original Message ----- </div>
      <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
      Cameron</a> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
      ; <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin 
      users list</a> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
      Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
      Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
      <div><br /></div>Hi Grant,<br />You need to click the Apply Changes button at 
      the bottom of the main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a 
      cluster setup, this will restart both the master and slave servers, and so 
      should trigger the transfer of both forward and reverse 
      zones..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote 
      .. 
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi (again) all,</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is 
        not happening here. ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When adding a new zone on the master 
        server, through webmin,</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 The (FORWARD) zone is 
        added and configured, and the named.conf change IS sent to the slave, 
        but, the zone is not being made active on the slave. Is this 
        normal?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 If 
        not any ideas how to fix?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse zone is not 
        being updated at all on the master or slave. (yes, the update reverse is 
        ON by default).</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 Any ideas how to 
        fix?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When deleting a zone:</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The (forward) zone does 
        get deleted from the master and the slave.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse does get 
        removed from the master, and the serial number is inc'd. The reverse is 
        not done right away on the slave, but I suspect the refresh will update 
        it in an hour.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0If I add or delete a reverse record 
        and click the apply button, it DOES apply to both the Master and 
        Slave.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
          Original Message ----- </div>
          <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> 
          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
</div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
          Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM</div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
          Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
          <div><br /></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS 
          indeed being updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to 
          be.....stay tuned.</font></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
          <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
            Original Message ----- </div>
            <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> 
            <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
            </div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
            <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin List</a> </div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
            Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM</div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
            [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
            <div><br /></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have spent a lot of time getting the 
            Bind8 DNS modules to work (cluster) on my master and slave 
            server.</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">THe only question (I think!) that I 
            have now is:</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I add/update/delete a zone on the 
            master server, how to configure the master to tell the slave to 
            reconfig or reload the zone?</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">(The slave named.conf is being updated, 
            but the changes are not being made active 
automaticaly).</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

That is an interesting setup .. and should in fact make it easier for you to implement in Webmin.<br />It sounds like all you need to do is create a regular class C reverse zone, but only populate the IP addresses in the range assigned to you. If you have a forward zone, Webmin will do the reverse address creation automatically.<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 10/Dec/2006 02:05 Grant Peel wrote ..
<blockquote type=3D"cite">

<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi Jamie,</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks for you aptience in this 
matter!</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I am still not sure where I stand here as you two 
replies seem to contradict each other.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">My ISP will not tell me exactly how they delegate, 
but they are adiment that I can/should setup my arpa zones as if they were /24, 
and only list hosts in it that I am using.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">In thier verbage to me, they tell me that its works 
when 'recusive' is turned off. and it is, with the exeption of a few IPs (our 
office, my home, and all the local server machines. From what I read below from 
my ISP, it sounds like they 'forward' the /24 lookups to me and whoever else has 
space in that /24.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Under those conditions, should the 'Update Reverse' 
work? Also, another question I am not clear on, should the host numnber already 
exist in the arpa zone? i.e if I have a block 2-126, should there always be 125 
numbers listed even if they are not being used?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Here is the last verbage I got from the technician 
at my ISP:</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div>&gt; -------- Original Message --------<br />&gt; We can do RFC2317 style 
in-addr for sub-class-c blocks, but we don't<br />&gt;<br />&gt; normally. Instead, 
we recommend the following:<br />&gt;<br />&gt; 1. Customer uses an authoritaive 
only DNS server (DNS server should not be <br />&gt; used for doing recursive 
lookups).<br />&gt;<br />&gt; 2. Customer configures a zone for each class c that 
contains ips that are <br />&gt; being delegated (eg: 
nnn.nnn.nnn.in-addr.arpa)<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Because our DNS servers only forward 
the requests for the /25, it is fine <br />&gt; for the customer to configure the 
whole /24. This makes configuration much <br />&gt; easier for both us and 
them.<br />&gt;<br />&gt; RFC2317 is a pain in the butt.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
  <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Djcameron%40webmin%2Ecom" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
  Cameron</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dgpeel%40thenetnow%2Ecom" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dwebadmin%2Dlist%40lists%2Esourceforge%2Enet" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 
  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font><br /></div>Webmin can do automatic reverse 
  DNS entries in non-class-C zones now .. it has been improved a lot since the 
  book was written :-)<br /><br />If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class 
  C and you have to use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin 
  will not automatically update them..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 
  18:07 Grant Peel wrote .. 
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks for the reply Jamie.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I was reading in your book about reverse DNS 
    updating not being available to non class C blocks. Is this still 
    true?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at 
    a time. when I add a forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be 
    updated?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
      Original Message ----- </div>
      <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
      Cameron</a> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
      ; <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin 
      users list</a> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
      Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
      Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
      <div><br /></div>Hi Grant,<br />You need to click the Apply Changes button at 
      the bottom of the main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a 
      cluster setup, this will restart both the master and slave servers, and so 
      should trigger the transfer of both forward and reverse 
      zones..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote 
      .. 
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi (again) all,</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is 
        not happening here. ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When adding a new zone on the master 
        server, through webmin,</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 The (FORWARD) zone is 
        added and configured, and the named.conf change IS sent to the slave, 
        but, the zone is not being made active on the slave. Is this 
        normal?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 If 
        not any ideas how to fix?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse zone is not 
        being updated at all on the master or slave. (yes, the update reverse is 
        ON by default).</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 Any ideas how to 
        fix?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When deleting a zone:</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The (forward) zone does 
        get deleted from the master and the slave.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse does get 
        removed from the master, and the serial number is inc'd. The reverse is 
        not done right away on the slave, but I suspect the refresh will update 
        it in an hour.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0If I add or delete a reverse record 
        and click the apply button, it DOES apply to both the Master and 
        Slave.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
          Original Message ----- </div>
          <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> 
          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
</div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
          <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
          Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM</div>
          <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
          Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
          <div><br /></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS 
          indeed being updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to 
          be.....stay tuned.</font></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
          <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
          <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
            Original Message ----- </div>
            <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> 
            <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
            </div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
            <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin List</a> </div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
            Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM</div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
            [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
            <div><br /></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have spent a lot of time getting the 
            Bind8 DNS modules to work (cluster) on my master and slave 
            server.</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">THe only question (I think!) that I 
            have now is:</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I add/update/delete a zone on the 
            master server, how to configure the master to tell the slave to 
            reconfig or reload the zone?</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">(The slave named.conf is being updated, 
            but the changes are not being made active 
automaticaly).</font></div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Grant P. <gp...@th...>]

Jamie,

After many millions more milliseconds of testing, here is the sum of =
what I see happening:

When a new (forward) zone is added, a reverse record is not being added, =
either on the master or slave.

If I add the reverse, let both nameservers update, then delete the =
forward, it WILL remove the reverse record.

So, any ideas why it will automaticly remove a reverse record, but not =
add one?

-Grant
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jamie Cameron=20
  To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


  Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in non-class-C zones now =
.. it has been improved a lot since the book was written :-)

  If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C and you have to =
use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin will not =
automatically update them..

   - Jamie

  On 9/Dec/2006 18:07 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
    Thanks for the reply Jamie.

    I was reading in your book about reverse DNS updating not being =
available to non class C blocks. Is this still true?

    My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at a time. when I add a =
forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be updated?

    -Grant

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Jamie Cameron=20
      To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
      Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM
      Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


      Hi Grant,
      You need to click the Apply Changes button at the bottom of the =
main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster setup, this =
will restart both the master and slave servers, and so should trigger =
the transfer of both forward and reverse zones..

       - Jamie

      On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
        Hi (again) all,

        I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not happening here. =
ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.

        When adding a new zone on the master server, through webmin,

        Q:    The (FORWARD) zone is added and configured, and the =
named.conf change IS sent to the slave, but, the zone is not being made =
active on the slave. Is this normal?
                If not any ideas how to fix?
            The reverse zone is not being updated at all on the master =
or slave. (yes, the update reverse is ON by default).
        Q:    Any ideas how to fix?

        When deleting a zone:

            The (forward) zone does get deleted from the master and the =
slave.

            The reverse does get removed from the master, and the serial =
number is inc'd. The reverse is not done right away on the slave, but I =
suspect the refresh will update it in an hour.

         If I add or delete a reverse record and click the apply button, =
it DOES apply to both the Master and Slave.

        -Grant


          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: Grant Peel=20
          To: Webmin users list=20
          Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM
          Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


          Hi all,

          Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed being =
updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay tuned.

          -Grant

            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: Grant Peel=20
            To: Webmin List=20
            Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM
            Subject: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


            Hi all,

            I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 DNS modules to =
work (cluster) on my master and slave server.

            THe only question (I think!) that I have now is:

            When I add/update/delete a zone on the master server, how to =
configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig or reload the zone?

            (The slave named.conf is being updated, but the changes are =
not being made active automaticaly).

            -Grant




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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Grant P. <gp...@th...>]

Hi Jamie,

Thanks for you aptience in this matter!

I am still not sure where I stand here as you two replies seem to =
contradict each other.

My ISP will not tell me exactly how they delegate, but they are adiment =
that I can/should setup my arpa zones as if they were /24, and only list =
hosts in it that I am using.

In thier verbage to me, they tell me that its works when 'recusive' is =
turned off. and it is, with the exeption of a few IPs (our office, my =
home, and all the local server machines. From what I read below from my =
ISP, it sounds like they 'forward' the /24 lookups to me and whoever =
else has space in that /24.

Under those conditions, should the 'Update Reverse' work? Also, another =
question I am not clear on, should the host numnber already exist in the =
arpa zone? i.e if I have a block 2-126, should there always be 125 =
numbers listed even if they are not being used?

Here is the last verbage I got from the technician at my ISP:

> -------- Original Message --------
> We can do RFC2317 style in-addr for sub-class-c blocks, but we don't
>
> normally. Instead, we recommend the following:
>
> 1. Customer uses an authoritaive only DNS server (DNS server should =
not be=20
> used for doing recursive lookups).
>
> 2. Customer configures a zone for each class c that contains ips that =
are=20
> being delegated (eg: nnn.nnn.nnn.in-addr.arpa)
>
> Because our DNS servers only forward the requests for the /25, it is =
fine=20
> for the customer to configure the whole /24. This makes configuration =
much=20
> easier for both us and them.
>
> RFC2317 is a pain in the butt.

-Grant
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jamie Cameron=20
  To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


  Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in non-class-C zones now =
.. it has been improved a lot since the book was written :-)

  If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C and you have to =
use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin will not =
automatically update them..

   - Jamie

  On 9/Dec/2006 18:07 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
    Thanks for the reply Jamie.

    I was reading in your book about reverse DNS updating not being =
available to non class C blocks. Is this still true?

    My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at a time. when I add a =
forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be updated?

    -Grant

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Jamie Cameron=20
      To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
      Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM
      Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


      Hi Grant,
      You need to click the Apply Changes button at the bottom of the =
main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster setup, this =
will restart both the master and slave servers, and so should trigger =
the transfer of both forward and reverse zones..

       - Jamie

      On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
        Hi (again) all,

        I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not happening here. =
ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.

        When adding a new zone on the master server, through webmin,

        Q:    The (FORWARD) zone is added and configured, and the =
named.conf change IS sent to the slave, but, the zone is not being made =
active on the slave. Is this normal?
                If not any ideas how to fix?
            The reverse zone is not being updated at all on the master =
or slave. (yes, the update reverse is ON by default).
        Q:    Any ideas how to fix?

        When deleting a zone:

            The (forward) zone does get deleted from the master and the =
slave.

            The reverse does get removed from the master, and the serial =
number is inc'd. The reverse is not done right away on the slave, but I =
suspect the refresh will update it in an hour.

         If I add or delete a reverse record and click the apply button, =
it DOES apply to both the Master and Slave.

        -Grant


          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: Grant Peel=20
          To: Webmin users list=20
          Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM
          Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


          Hi all,

          Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed being =
updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay tuned.

          -Grant

            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: Grant Peel=20
            To: Webmin List=20
            Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM
            Subject: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


            Hi all,

            I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 DNS modules to =
work (cluster) on my master and slave server.

            THe only question (I think!) that I have now is:

            When I add/update/delete a zone on the master server, how to =
configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig or reload the zone?

            (The slave named.conf is being updated, but the changes are =
not being made active automaticaly).

            -Grant




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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Webmin can do automatic reverse DNS entries in non-class-C zones now .. it has been improved a lot since the book was written :-)<br /><br />If your ISP delegates blocks smaller than a class C and you have to use that PTR record trick for your reverse records, Webmin will not automatically update them..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 18:07 Grant Peel wrote ..
<blockquote type=3D"cite">

<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks for the reply Jamie.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I was reading in your book about reverse DNS 
updating not being available to non class C blocks. Is this still 
true?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at a 
time. when I add a forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be 
updated?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
  <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Djcameron%40webmin%2Ecom" title=3D"jca...@we...">Jamie 
  Cameron</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dgpeel%40thenetnow%2Ecom" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> ; <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dwebadmin%2Dlist%40lists%2Esourceforge%2Enet" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 
  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
  <div><br /></div>Hi Grant,<br />You need to click the Apply Changes button at the 
  bottom of the main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster 
  setup, this will restart both the master and slave servers, and so should 
  trigger the transfer of both forward and reverse zones..<br /><br />=A0- 
  Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote .. 
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi (again) all,</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not 
    happening here. ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When adding a new zone on the master server, 
    through webmin,</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 The (FORWARD) zone is 
    added and configured, and the named.conf change IS sent to the slave, but, 
    the zone is not being made active on the slave. Is this normal?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 If not 
    any ideas how to fix?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse zone is not 
    being updated at all on the master or slave. (yes, the update reverse is ON 
    by default).</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 Any ideas how to 
    fix?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When deleting a zone:</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The (forward) zone does get 
    deleted from the master and the slave.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse does get removed 
    from the master, and the serial number is inc'd. The reverse is not done 
    right away on the slave, but I suspect the refresh will update it in an 
    hour.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0If I add or delete a reverse record and 
    click the apply button, it DOES apply to both the Master and 
    Slave.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
      Original Message ----- </div>
      <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b>From:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
      <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin 
      users list</a> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
      Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
      Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
      <div><br /></div>
      <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
      <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
      <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS 
      indeed being updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to 
      be.....stay tuned.</font></div>
      <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
      <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
      <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
      <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
        <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- 
        Original Message ----- </div>
        <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b>From:</b> 
        <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant 
        Peel</a> </div>
        <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> 
        <a href=3D"_unsafe_link_" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin 
        List</a> </div>
        <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> 
        Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM</div>
        <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> 
        [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
        <div><br /></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have spent a lot of time getting the 
        Bind8 DNS modules to work (cluster) on my master and slave 
        server.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">THe only question (I think!) that I have 
        now is:</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I add/update/delete a zone on the 
        master server, how to configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig 
        or reload the zone?</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">(The slave named.conf is being updated, but 
        the changes are not being made active automaticaly).</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
        <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Grant P. <gp...@th...>]

Thanks for the reply Jamie.

I was reading in your book about reverse DNS updating not being =
available to non class C blocks. Is this still true?

My ISP does delegate me blocks, usually 126 at a time. when I add a =
forward zone, should my arpa zones be able to be updated?

-Grant

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jamie Cameron=20
  To: Grant Peel ; Webmin users list=20
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


  Hi Grant,
  You need to click the Apply Changes button at the bottom of the main =
page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster setup, this will =
restart both the master and slave servers, and so should trigger the =
transfer of both forward and reverse zones..

   - Jamie

  On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote ..=20
    Hi (again) all,

    I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not happening here. ANyt =
helpo would be aprreciated.

    When adding a new zone on the master server, through webmin,

    Q:    The (FORWARD) zone is added and configured, and the named.conf =
change IS sent to the slave, but, the zone is not being made active on =
the slave. Is this normal?
            If not any ideas how to fix?
        The reverse zone is not being updated at all on the master or =
slave. (yes, the update reverse is ON by default).
    Q:    Any ideas how to fix?

    When deleting a zone:

        The (forward) zone does get deleted from the master and the =
slave.

        The reverse does get removed from the master, and the serial =
number is inc'd. The reverse is not done right away on the slave, but I =
suspect the refresh will update it in an hour.

     If I add or delete a reverse record and click the apply button, it =
DOES apply to both the Master and Slave.

    -Grant


      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Grant Peel=20
      To: Webmin users list=20
      Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM
      Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


      Hi all,

      Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed being updated, =
howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay tuned.

      -Grant

        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: Grant Peel=20
        To: Webmin List=20
        Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM
        Subject: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


        Hi all,

        I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 DNS modules to work =
(cluster) on my master and slave server.

        THe only question (I think!) that I have now is:

        When I add/update/delete a zone on the master server, how to =
configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig or reload the zone?

        (The slave named.conf is being updated, but the changes are not =
being made active automaticaly).

        -Grant




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Re: [webmin-l] Access denied : User root is not allowed to usetheVirtualmin Virtual Servers (GPL) module

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 9/Dec/2006 08:50 Munzir Taha (=D9=85=D9=86=D8=B0=D8=B1   =D8=B7=D9=87) wrote ..
> On Thursday 07 December 2006 20:19, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> > On 7/Dec/2006 07:19 Munzir Taha (=D9=85=D9=86=D8=B0=D8=B1   =D8=B7=D9=87) wrote ..
> >
> 
> > > install virtual-server-3.30.gpl.wbm.gz from the "Webmin Modules" page
> but
> > > after visiting https://localhost:10000/virtual-server/ I got the error
> > > message:
> > > Access denied : User root is not allowed to use the Virtualmin Virtual
> > > Servers
> > > (GPL) module
> > >
> > > There is an option of:
> > > Grant access only to users and groups :
> > > I tried to set it to root,munzir
> > > and reinstall but still same error, any hint?
> > > Isn't Ubuntu a supported OS? Could this be fixed so it works without
> > > tweaking or editing files?
> 
> > Try going to the Webmin Users module, clicking on the root user, and
> > selecting 'Virtualmin Virtual Servers' in the module list .. then clicking
> > Save. Normally this will happen automatically when you install a new
> module
> > - not sure why it didn't for you.
> 
> I am not sure how webmin works with sudo users but a source of confusion
> for  me is that there is only one webmin user 'root' by default in ubuntu after
> the installation but I can't login to webmin using 'root' and I had to
> use  one of the users that belong to the 'admin' group (those with sudo 
> privilege).

Yes, this is a little confusing on Ubuntu systems (or any other than 
doesn't have a root password). On systems where some users can sudo to
root and run any command, Webmin allows you to login as these users - but
your actual username as far as Webmin is concerned for module grant
and permission purposes is 'root'.

> At the same time the 'New module grants' 'Default behavior - grant new
> modules  to root or admin' so which one in this case: root or admin? the system
> root  user doesn't belong to the system admin group and the system user that
> belongs to the admin group is not a webmin user. Can  you please clarify

It is supposed to grant to the Webmin user root or admin, whichever exists.
At least, that is what happens for me :)

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Hi Grant,<br />You need to click the Apply Changes button at the bottom of the main page in the BIND module after adding zone. In a cluster setup, this will restart both the master and slave servers, and so should trigger the transfer of both forward and reverse zones..<br /><br />=A0- Jamie<br /><br />On 9/Dec/2006 06:25 Grant Peel wrote ..
<blockquote type=3D"cite">

<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi (again) all,</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not 
happening here. ANyt helpo would be aprreciated.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When adding a new zone on the master server, 
through webmin,</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 The (FORWARD) zone is added 
and configured, and the named.conf change IS sent to the slave, but, the zone is 
not being made active on the slave. Is this normal?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 If not any 
ideas how to fix?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse zone is not being 
updated at all on the master or slave. (yes, the update reverse is ON by 
default).</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Q:=A0=A0=A0 Any ideas how to 
fix?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When deleting a zone:</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The (forward) zone does get 
deleted from the master and the slave.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0 The reverse does get removed 
from the master, and the serial number is inc'd. The reverse is not done right 
away on the slave, but I suspect the refresh will update it in an 
hour.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=A0If I add or delete a reverse record and click 
the apply button, it DOES apply to both the Master and Slave.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
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  <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dgpeel%40thenetnow%2Ecom" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant Peel</a> 
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  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dwebadmin%2Dlist%40lists%2Esourceforge%2Enet" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin users list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 
  AM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
  <div><br /></div>
  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed 
  being updated, howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay 
  tuned.</font></div>
  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
  <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
  <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
    <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
    <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
    <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dgpeel%40thenetnow%2Ecom" title=3D"gp...@th...">Grant 
    Peel</a> </div>
    <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"reply_mail.cgi?new=3D1&to=3Dwebadmin%2Dlist%40lists%2Esourceforge%2Enet" title=3D"web...@li...">Webmin List</a> </div>
    <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 
    AM</div>
    <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [webmin-l] Cluster DNS</div>
    <div><br /></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 
    DNS modules to work (cluster) on my master and slave server.</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">THe only question (I think!) that I have now 
    is:</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">When I add/update/delete a zone on the master 
    server, how to configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig or reload 
    the zone?</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">(The slave named.conf is being updated, but the 
    changes are not being made active automaticaly).</font></div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
    <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">-Grant</font></div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
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Re: [webmin-l] Access denied : User root is not allowed to use theVirtualmin Virtual Servers (GPL) module

[Munzir T. ( ) <mun...@gm...>]

On Thursday 07 December 2006 20:19, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> On 7/Dec/2006 07:19 Munzir Taha (=D9=85=D9=86=D8=B0=D8=B1   =D8=B7=D9=87)=
 wrote ..
>

> > install virtual-server-3.30.gpl.wbm.gz from the "Webmin Modules" page b=
ut
> > after visiting https://localhost:10000/virtual-server/ I got the error
> > message:
> > Access denied : User root is not allowed to use the Virtualmin Virtual
> > Servers
> > (GPL) module
> >
> > There is an option of:
> > Grant access only to users and groups :
> > I tried to set it to root,munzir
> > and reinstall but still same error, any hint?
> > Isn't Ubuntu a supported OS? Could this be fixed so it works without
> > tweaking or editing files?

> Try going to the Webmin Users module, clicking on the root user, and
> selecting 'Virtualmin Virtual Servers' in the module list .. then clicking
> Save. Normally this will happen automatically when you install a new modu=
le
> - not sure why it didn't for you.

I am not sure how webmin works with sudo users but a source of confusion fo=
r=20
me is that there is only one webmin user 'root' by default in ubuntu after=
=20
the installation but I can't login to webmin using 'root' and I had to use=
=20
one of the users that belong to the 'admin' group (those with sudo=20
privilege).

At the same time the 'New module grants' 'Default behavior - grant new modu=
les=20
to root or admin' so which one in this case: root or admin? the system root=
=20
user doesn't belong to the system admin group and the system user that=20
belongs to the admin group is not a webmin user. Can  you please clarify=20
Jamie?

=2D-=20
Munzir Taha
Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
Riyadh, SA

Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Grant P. <gp...@th...>]

Hi (again) all,

I *think* I have a grip on what is, and is not happening here. ANyt =
helpo would be aprreciated.

When adding a new zone on the master server, through webmin,

Q:    The (FORWARD) zone is added and configured, and the named.conf =
change IS sent to the slave, but, the zone is not being made active on =
the slave. Is this normal?
        If not any ideas how to fix?
    The reverse zone is not being updated at all on the master or slave. =
(yes, the update reverse is ON by default).
Q:    Any ideas how to fix?

When deleting a zone:

    The (forward) zone does get deleted from the master and the slave.

    The reverse does get removed from the master, and the serial number =
is inc'd. The reverse is not done right away on the slave, but I suspect =
the refresh will update it in an hour.

 If I add or delete a reverse record and click the apply button, it DOES =
apply to both the Master and Slave.

-Grant


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Grant Peel=20
  To: Webmin users list=20
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


  Hi all,

  Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed being updated, =
howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay tuned.

  -Grant

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Grant Peel=20
    To: Webmin List=20
    Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM
    Subject: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


    Hi all,

    I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 DNS modules to work =
(cluster) on my master and slave server.

    THe only question (I think!) that I have now is:

    When I add/update/delete a zone on the master server, how to =
configure the master to tell the slave to reconfig or reload the zone?

    (The slave named.conf is being updated, but the changes are not =
being made active automaticaly).

    -Grant



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Re: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS

[Grant P. <gp...@th...>]

Hi all,

Not suprisingly, I found that my slave IS indeed being updated, =
howerver, my reverse zones don't appear to be.....stay tuned.

-Grant

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:03 AM
  Subject: [webmin-l] Cluster DNS


  Hi all,

  I have spent a lot of time getting the Bind8 DNS modules to work =
(cluster) on my master and slave server.

  THe only question (I think!) that I have now is:

  When I add/update/delete a zone on the master server, how to configure =
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  (The slave named.conf is being updated, but the changes are not being =
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  -Grant



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