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Re: [webmin-l] virtualmin, putting files into newly created domain's public_html

[Andrey R. <anr...@ya...>]

Greetings, Pat Erler!

> is there a way to put some files into newly created domain's public_html
> folders? something like /etc/skel but for website?

You can do anything you want with event scripting.


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With best regards,
Andrey Repin
Wednesday, March 22, 2017 13:15:18

Sorry for my terrible english...

[webmin-l] virtualmin, putting files into newly created domain's public_html

[Pat E. <pe...@gm...>]

hi,

is there a way to put some files into newly created domain's public_html
folders? something like /etc/skel but for website?

PAT
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Re: [webmin-l] Where does LetsEncrypt pick up the home directory?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 20/Mar/2017 20:04 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> 
> 
> On 3/20/2017 7:29 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> > On 20/Mar/2017 13:54 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> >> So, I have this one virtualhost that was moved and I have looked
> >> everywhere except for where it is, but LetsEncrypt insists that the home
> >> directory is in /var/www/username while it is actually /home/username.
> >> Where do I fix this? It's nowhere in the apache conf file. Nowhere that
> >> I can see in Virtualmin. Webmin user directory is right. But somewhere
> >> somehow, LetsEncrypt thinks it is elsewhere.
> >>
> >> I must admit, I'm sort of glad this happened because now I know that the
> >> failure does send me emails and I do hope the email address for those
> >> can be changed. I know I can do it by changing the email address on the
> >> domain, but that sort of messes up resending sign ups, email box notices
> >> and such.
> > Virtualmin passes the home directory to Let's Encrypt based on the path
> > it expects the domain to have. However, if you directly updated the Apache
> > config, this may be out of date.
> >
> > The fix is to SSH in as root and run :
> >
> > virtualmin modify-web --domain yourdomain.com --fix-document-dir
> >
> >   - Jamie
> >
> >
> Thanks Jamie. I had done a grep of the webmin directory and found 5 or 6 
> domains that had path issues. I hope it is just as good to edit those 
> files by hand. The files in /etc/webmin/virtual-server/domains?
> 
> Some had 3 different path errors. stats-pass, cgi-bin and public_html. 
> Yes, some of these domains have been around for decades and moved from 
> one server to another to another to another.

Yes, editing those files also works.

Re: [webmin-l] Where does LetsEncrypt pick up the home directory?

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

On 3/20/2017 7:29 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> On 20/Mar/2017 13:54 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
>> So, I have this one virtualhost that was moved and I have looked
>> everywhere except for where it is, but LetsEncrypt insists that the home
>> directory is in /var/www/username while it is actually /home/username.
>> Where do I fix this? It's nowhere in the apache conf file. Nowhere that
>> I can see in Virtualmin. Webmin user directory is right. But somewhere
>> somehow, LetsEncrypt thinks it is elsewhere.
>>
>> I must admit, I'm sort of glad this happened because now I know that the
>> failure does send me emails and I do hope the email address for those
>> can be changed. I know I can do it by changing the email address on the
>> domain, but that sort of messes up resending sign ups, email box notices
>> and such.
> Virtualmin passes the home directory to Let's Encrypt based on the path
> it expects the domain to have. However, if you directly updated the Apache
> config, this may be out of date.
>
> The fix is to SSH in as root and run :
>
> virtualmin modify-web --domain yourdomain.com --fix-document-dir
>
>   - Jamie
>
>
Thanks Jamie. I had done a grep of the webmin directory and found 5 or 6 
domains that had path issues. I hope it is just as good to edit those 
files by hand. The files in /etc/webmin/virtual-server/domains?

Some had 3 different path errors. stats-pass, cgi-bin and public_html. 
Yes, some of these domains have been around for decades and moved from 
one server to another to another to another.

John

Re: [webmin-l] LetsEncrypt Notification Emails

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 20/Mar/2017 12:23 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> Is there a way to have LetsEncrypt notifications go to the main server 
> admin address (me) instead of to the "Contact email" email address? None 
> of my domain owners will know what to do with this and "I" need to know 
> when there is a failure.
> 
> I don't mind getting a failure notice once every 5 minutes if it fails, 
> but I don't think the domain owner will like that. :)

Currently, no - they only go to the domain's contact address.

Re: [webmin-l] Where does LetsEncrypt pick up the home directory?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 20/Mar/2017 13:54 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> So, I have this one virtualhost that was moved and I have looked 
> everywhere except for where it is, but LetsEncrypt insists that the home 
> directory is in /var/www/username while it is actually /home/username. 
> Where do I fix this? It's nowhere in the apache conf file. Nowhere that 
> I can see in Virtualmin. Webmin user directory is right. But somewhere 
> somehow, LetsEncrypt thinks it is elsewhere.
> 
> I must admit, I'm sort of glad this happened because now I know that the 
> failure does send me emails and I do hope the email address for those 
> can be changed. I know I can do it by changing the email address on the 
> domain, but that sort of messes up resending sign ups, email box notices 
> and such.

Virtualmin passes the home directory to Let's Encrypt based on the path
it expects the domain to have. However, if you directly updated the Apache
config, this may be out of date.

The fix is to SSH in as root and run :

virtualmin modify-web --domain yourdomain.com --fix-document-dir

 - Jamie

[webmin-l] Where does LetsEncrypt pick up the home directory?

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

So, I have this one virtualhost that was moved and I have looked 
everywhere except for where it is, but LetsEncrypt insists that the home 
directory is in /var/www/username while it is actually /home/username. 
Where do I fix this? It's nowhere in the apache conf file. Nowhere that 
I can see in Virtualmin. Webmin user directory is right. But somewhere 
somehow, LetsEncrypt thinks it is elsewhere.

I must admit, I'm sort of glad this happened because now I know that the 
failure does send me emails and I do hope the email address for those 
can be changed. I know I can do it by changing the email address on the 
domain, but that sort of messes up resending sign ups, email box notices 
and such.

John

[webmin-l] LetsEncrypt Notification Emails

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

Is there a way to have LetsEncrypt notifications go to the main server 
admin address (me) instead of to the "Contact email" email address? None 
of my domain owners will know what to do with this and "I" need to know 
when there is a failure.

I don't mind getting a failure notice once every 5 minutes if it fails, 
but I don't think the domain owner will like that. :)

John

[webmin-l] LetsEncrypt under https redirect

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

Hi All,

Has anyone hit an issue where LetsEncrypt fails to update a certificate 
is the virtualhost has a redirect from

/ to https://www.domainname.com/

? It looks like LetsEncrypt is hitting the http version and can't make 
the trip through the https version? I can say the errors about this are 
coming in through email. :)

Here's the error:

u'detail': u'Invalid response from 
http://www.replacedthedomainnamehere.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/MC5oZnX5YbUGmLg6Q_2JmNLhcrYK5G4uXj9RGCxBt6o 
<http://www.dumor3d.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/MC5oZnX5YbUGmLg6Q_2JmNLhcrYK5G4uXj9RGCxBt6o>: 
"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" 
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html "'}, 
u'type': u'http-01'}


And yeah, http:// would not work.

Best,
John Hinton

Re: [webmin-l] let's encrypt for virtualmin admin panels?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

I'm looking into it for Dovecot, as it is at least theoretically possible. Postfix may be limited to doing this for domains with their own private IPs though.  

On 14/Mar/2017 11:34 Pat Erler <pe...@gm...> wrote ..   yep, this would have been my next question too :)  On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 7:21 PM Pablo Manuel Rizzo <in...@pa...> wrote:   Is it possible to do the same with Dovecot and Postfix? So email clients validate imap and smtp ssl certificates for every hosted virtual server?   14 de marzo del 2017 13:46, "Pat Erler" <pe...@gm...> escribió:     synchronicity ;)  On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 5:41 PM Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote: On 14/Mar/2017 08:40 Pat Erler <pe...@gm...> wrote ..> hi,>> I wonder if jamie could built the virtualmin webserver in a way, that it> uses the let's encrypt certificates for the virtual servers' admin panels.> Here is what i mean:>> right now you can use one certificate to secure the main server's webmin> panel:>> https://mainserver.com:10000>> when you access the server via a virtual server name you get the red lock:>> https://virtualserver.com:10000>> I wonder if i
 t would be possible to server the virtualserver.com's SSL> certificate when accessing the address above resulting in a nice green lock> and now warnings from the browser.Good news - I just finished implementing this last night. Previously webmindidn't support per-domain SSL certs, only per-IP, so it wasn't possible todo what you suggest in all cases. This will be fixed in the next releases ofwebmin and virtualmin though. - Jamie------------------------------------------------------------------------------Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's mostengaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot-Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li...To remove yourself from this list, go tohttp://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list   --         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashd
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Re: [webmin-l] let's encrypt for virtualmin admin panels?

[Pat E. <pe...@gm...>]

yep, this would have been my next question too :)

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 7:21 PM Pablo Manuel Rizzo <in...@pa...>
wrote:

> Is it possible to do the same with Dovecot and Postfix? So email clients
> validate imap and smtp ssl certificates for every hosted virtual server?
>
>
> 14 de marzo del 2017 13:46, "Pat Erler" <pe...@gm...
> <%22Pat%20Erler%22%20%3Cp...@gm...%3E>> escribió:
>
> synchronicity ;)
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 5:41 PM Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:
>
>
> On 14/Mar/2017 08:40 Pat Erler <pe...@gm...> wrote ..
> > hi,
> >
> > I wonder if jamie could built the virtualmin webserver in a way, that it
> > uses the let's encrypt certificates for the virtual servers' admin
> panels.
> > Here is what i mean:
> >
> > right now you can use one certificate to secure the main server's webmin
> > panel:
> >
> > https://mainserver.com:10000
> >
> > when you access the server via a virtual server name you get the red
> lock:
> >
> > https://virtualserver.com:10000
> >
> > I wonder if it would be possible to server the virtualserver.com's SSL
> > certificate when accessing the address above resulting in a nice green
> lock
> > and now warnings from the browser.
>
> Good news - I just finished implementing this last night. Previously webmin
> didn't support per-domain SSL certs, only per-IP, so it wasn't possible to
> do what you suggest in all cases. This will be fixed in the next releases
> of
> webmin and virtualmin though.
>
>  - Jamie
>
>
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Re: [webmin-l] let's encrypt for virtualmin admin panels?

[Pablo M. R. <in...@pa...>]

Is it possible to do the same with Dovecot and Postfix? So email clients validate imap and smtp ssl certificates for every hosted virtual server?

14 de marzo del 2017 13:46, "Pat Erler"  escribió:

synchronicity ;) 
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 5:41 PM Jamie Cameron  wrote: On 14/Mar/2017 08:40 Pat Erler  wrote ..
> hi,
>
> I wonder if jamie could built the virtualmin webserver in a way, that it
> uses the let's encrypt certificates for the virtual servers' admin panels.
> Here is what i mean:
>
> right now you can use one certificate to secure the main server's webmin
> panel:
>
> https://mainserver.com:10000 (https://mainserver.com:10000)
>
> when you access the server via a virtual server name you get the red lock:
>
> https://virtualserver.com:10000 (https://virtualserver.com:10000)
>
> I wonder if it would be possible to server the virtualserver.com (http://virtualserver.com)'s SSL
> certificate when accessing the address above resulting in a nice green lock
> and now warnings from the browser.

Good news - I just finished implementing this last night. Previously webmin
didn't support per-domain SSL certs, only per-IP, so it wasn't possible to
do what you suggest in all cases. This will be fixed in the next releases of
webmin and virtualmin though.

 - Jamie

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Re: [webmin-l] let's encrypt for virtualmin admin panels?

[Pat E. <pe...@gm...>]

synchronicity ;)

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 5:41 PM Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:

On 14/Mar/2017 08:40 Pat Erler <pe...@gm...> wrote ..
> hi,
>
> I wonder if jamie could built the virtualmin webserver in a way, that it
> uses the let's encrypt certificates for the virtual servers' admin panels.
> Here is what i mean:
>
> right now you can use one certificate to secure the main server's webmin
> panel:
>
> https://mainserver.com:10000
>
> when you access the server via a virtual server name you get the red lock:
>
> https://virtualserver.com:10000
>
> I wonder if it would be possible to server the virtualserver.com's SSL
> certificate when accessing the address above resulting in a nice green
lock
> and now warnings from the browser.

Good news - I just finished implementing this last night. Previously webmin
didn't support per-domain SSL certs, only per-IP, so it wasn't possible to
do what you suggest in all cases. This will be fixed in the next releases of
webmin and virtualmin though.

 - Jamie

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Re: [webmin-l] let's encrypt for virtualmin admin panels?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 14/Mar/2017 08:40 Pat Erler <pe...@gm...> wrote ..
> hi,
> 
> I wonder if jamie could built the virtualmin webserver in a way, that it
> uses the let's encrypt certificates for the virtual servers' admin panels.
> Here is what i mean:
> 
> right now you can use one certificate to secure the main server's webmin
> panel:
> 
> https://mainserver.com:10000
> 
> when you access the server via a virtual server name you get the red lock:
> 
> https://virtualserver.com:10000
> 
> I wonder if it would be possible to server the virtualserver.com's SSL
> certificate when accessing the address above resulting in a nice green lock
> and now warnings from the browser.

Good news - I just finished implementing this last night. Previously webmin
didn't support per-domain SSL certs, only per-IP, so it wasn't possible to
do what you suggest in all cases. This will be fixed in the next releases of
webmin and virtualmin though.

 - Jamie

[webmin-l] let's encrypt for virtualmin admin panels?

[Pat E. <pe...@gm...>]

hi,

I wonder if jamie could built the virtualmin webserver in a way, that it
uses the let's encrypt certificates for the virtual servers' admin panels.
Here is what i mean:

right now you can use one certificate to secure the main server's webmin
panel:

https://mainserver.com:10000

when you access the server via a virtual server name you get the red lock:

https://virtualserver.com:10000

I wonder if it would be possible to server the virtualserver.com's SSL
certificate when accessing the address above resulting in a nice green lock
and now warnings from the browser.

PAT

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Re: [webmin-l] Feature Request

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 09/Mar/2017 23:07 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> 
> 
> On 3/9/2017 11:27 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> > On 08/Mar/2017 21:15 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> >>
> >> On 3/8/2017 10:29 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> >>> On 07/Mar/2017 18:30 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> >>>> Moving a bunch of virtualhost around lately, I ran across one email
> >>>> account that had 80,000 emails in the trash. Since, I found a number of
> >>>> accounts with 20, 30, 40,000 in the trash. So, I went back to look at
> >>>> Mailbox Cleanup again. I wouldn't want to ever delete any messages from
> >>>> a clients Inbox unless they requested it... but trash? I have run a
> >>>> dovecot script to delete spam from spam folders. Anyway... my thought!
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be great if Mailbox cleanup had a function to delete messages
> >>>> older than X number for days from <a list of email folder taken from a
> >>>> list that I generated>. I could add trash, Trash, Deleted Messages,
> >>>> Deleted Items and on and on it goes. I guess the only tricky part would
> >>>> be INBOX.Trash and INBOX.trash and INBOX.Deleted Messages... but I could
> >>>> most likely find them to add.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, far today, I deleted about 30 GB of trash from clients email boxes
> >>>> after asking them if it was alright. I would be happy to make an
> >>>> announcement that we are going to do this. Yeah, some versions of
> >>>> Outlook hide 'purge' and I doubt most end users even know what purge
> >>>> means. Heck, the one with 80K messages uses SquirrelMail and purge is
> >>>> right there in your face? Go figure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or, I could set up a bunch of Dovecot crons to do this. :)
> >>> Hi John,
> >>>
> >>> Virtualmin already has a feature to setup automatic trash clearing on
> >>> a per-domain basis, based on message count or age. It's on the Spam and
> >>> Virus Delivery page, on the left menu.
> >>>
> >> OK, so I'm not going crazy! I could have sworn I had seen that before.
> >> We use an anti-spam MX gateway, so needed to have anti-spam turned off
> >> on our systems, so I wasn't using those features. I flipped on Spam
> >> Filtering with one domain and found it. The next question... how does it
> >> know where to look for trash? Or does it look in all folders for like
> >> the 'T' flag? If so, this looks more perfect as it can be controlled on
> >> a per Virtualhost basis instead of system-wide.
> > It looks for any folder named "trash" in upper or lower case.
> >
> Under the "It would be nice" column... Is there a possibility that we 
> could get a place to add additional trashcan folder names? I find 
> Deleted Items, Deleted Messages are commonly used. I'd have to do a bit 
> of looking to actually find all varieties in use by all the clients out 
> there.
> 
> I suspect most of our trash is from Outlook which rarely is set to use 
> trash or Trash. Some versions of Outlook just redlined the deleted 
> messages within the Inbox or so it seemed. I'm never looked at the 
> folders on the server to figure out what it was doing. Leave it to 
> Microsoft and sadly, more often these days Apple to try to reinvent 
> things that don't need reinvention. What was wrong with Trash for trash? 
> Frustrating. Was it Outlook 2003 or 2007 that didn't have a trash 
> folder, did the redlining, but you could hide the redlined messages... 
> and that version hid purge under one of the toolbar menus. I don't think 
> most end users really know what purge does so never do it.
> 
> The big trash folder I found, about 80,000 emails and 15GB, was only 
> accessed by the user via SquirrelMail. It was set to show unread and 
> total, so it was right there in their face alongside SquirrelMail's 
> purge link. How did this grow so large? Ten years of trash collection.
> 
> I suppose it's off to doveadm expunge under a cron.

There is a way to customize the trash folder name Virtualmin looks for
(on the Virtualmin Configuration page), but it will find only one per user.

Also, each user can setup per-folder mail cleanup rules - just login to
port 20000 and click on Email Filters on the left.

Re: [webmin-l] Feature Request

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

On 3/10/2017 9:45 AM, Kris Deugau wrote:
> John Hinton wrote:
>
>> Frustrating. Was it Outlook 2003 or 2007 that didn't have a trash
>> folder, did the redlining, but you could hide the redlined messages...
>> and that version hid purge under one of the toolbar menus. I don't think
>> most end users really know what purge does so never do it.
> Outlook seems to take great delight in leading the way in confusing
> everybody in how to use it, by moving (almost) all of the options on
> *every* release.  (And regularly altering the results of some operations
> to boot, immediately after finally managing to get it right.)  Firefox
> seems to be pushing hard to match this degree of insanity...
>
> -kgd
>
I keep telling myself that this insanity is what keeps the world's 
economy running. All of the added tech support. LOL!

I must admit that Outlook 2016 seems to be the best version in over a 
decade. My IMAP accounts are all actually using Trash! We set up an 
account for the better half last night and it was nothing more than 
entering the email address which is the username and the password and it 
got it all right! But I'm going to blame Jamie for that with his great 
autoconfig scripts. :) I'm still using Thunderbird as my main client. I 
setup Outlook just to become familiar with it.

Everyone seems to be attempting "Dumbed Down Software". It drives me 
nuts. When it works it can be great. When it doesn't fixing/adjusting it 
can be really hard or even impossible.

Meanwhile... trash folders:

I've looked around in several places and beyond Trash and trash, the 
only other common trash folders I've found so far are:

Deleted Messages
Deleted Items

Of course handling 'Junk' and 'Junk E-mail' folders would be another 
area to deal with. I've found some of these that are pretty huge with 
very old emails in them. It is my understanding that keeping only the 
last month or few is all you need and that more can be counterproductive 
since the spam techniques have changed. I haven't read a lot on this 
lately, so that might be too little.

John

Re: [webmin-l] Feature Request

[Kris D. <kd...@vi...>]

John Hinton wrote:
> I suspect most of our trash is from Outlook which rarely is set to use
> trash or Trash. Some versions of Outlook just redlined the deleted
> messages within the Inbox or so it seemed. I'm never looked at the
> folders on the server to figure out what it was doing. Leave it to
> Microsoft and sadly, more often these days Apple to try to reinvent
> things that don't need reinvention. What was wrong with Trash for trash?

It's a subtle shading on the exact sequence of events for an IMAP 
"delete message" operation.

Thunderbird/Seamonkey have an explicit option to control this, and IME 
it's significantly faster to simply flag a message for deletion 
("redline", as you put it) rather than actually move it to another folder.

> Frustrating. Was it Outlook 2003 or 2007 that didn't have a trash
> folder, did the redlining, but you could hide the redlined messages...
> and that version hid purge under one of the toolbar menus. I don't think
> most end users really know what purge does so never do it.

Outlook seems to take great delight in leading the way in confusing 
everybody in how to use it, by moving (almost) all of the options on 
*every* release.  (And regularly altering the results of some operations 
to boot, immediately after finally managing to get it right.)  Firefox 
seems to be pushing hard to match this degree of insanity...

-kgd

Re: [webmin-l] Feature Request

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

On 3/9/2017 11:27 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> On 08/Mar/2017 21:15 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
>>
>> On 3/8/2017 10:29 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
>>> On 07/Mar/2017 18:30 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
>>>> Moving a bunch of virtualhost around lately, I ran across one email
>>>> account that had 80,000 emails in the trash. Since, I found a number of
>>>> accounts with 20, 30, 40,000 in the trash. So, I went back to look at
>>>> Mailbox Cleanup again. I wouldn't want to ever delete any messages from
>>>> a clients Inbox unless they requested it... but trash? I have run a
>>>> dovecot script to delete spam from spam folders. Anyway... my thought!
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if Mailbox cleanup had a function to delete messages
>>>> older than X number for days from <a list of email folder taken from a
>>>> list that I generated>. I could add trash, Trash, Deleted Messages,
>>>> Deleted Items and on and on it goes. I guess the only tricky part would
>>>> be INBOX.Trash and INBOX.trash and INBOX.Deleted Messages... but I could
>>>> most likely find them to add.
>>>>
>>>> So, far today, I deleted about 30 GB of trash from clients email boxes
>>>> after asking them if it was alright. I would be happy to make an
>>>> announcement that we are going to do this. Yeah, some versions of
>>>> Outlook hide 'purge' and I doubt most end users even know what purge
>>>> means. Heck, the one with 80K messages uses SquirrelMail and purge is
>>>> right there in your face? Go figure.
>>>>
>>>> Or, I could set up a bunch of Dovecot crons to do this. :)
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Virtualmin already has a feature to setup automatic trash clearing on
>>> a per-domain basis, based on message count or age. It's on the Spam and
>>> Virus Delivery page, on the left menu.
>>>
>> OK, so I'm not going crazy! I could have sworn I had seen that before.
>> We use an anti-spam MX gateway, so needed to have anti-spam turned off
>> on our systems, so I wasn't using those features. I flipped on Spam
>> Filtering with one domain and found it. The next question... how does it
>> know where to look for trash? Or does it look in all folders for like
>> the 'T' flag? If so, this looks more perfect as it can be controlled on
>> a per Virtualhost basis instead of system-wide.
> It looks for any folder named "trash" in upper or lower case.
>
Under the "It would be nice" column... Is there a possibility that we 
could get a place to add additional trashcan folder names? I find 
Deleted Items, Deleted Messages are commonly used. I'd have to do a bit 
of looking to actually find all varieties in use by all the clients out 
there.

I suspect most of our trash is from Outlook which rarely is set to use 
trash or Trash. Some versions of Outlook just redlined the deleted 
messages within the Inbox or so it seemed. I'm never looked at the 
folders on the server to figure out what it was doing. Leave it to 
Microsoft and sadly, more often these days Apple to try to reinvent 
things that don't need reinvention. What was wrong with Trash for trash? 
Frustrating. Was it Outlook 2003 or 2007 that didn't have a trash 
folder, did the redlining, but you could hide the redlined messages... 
and that version hid purge under one of the toolbar menus. I don't think 
most end users really know what purge does so never do it.

The big trash folder I found, about 80,000 emails and 15GB, was only 
accessed by the user via SquirrelMail. It was set to show unread and 
total, so it was right there in their face alongside SquirrelMail's 
purge link. How did this grow so large? Ten years of trash collection.

I suppose it's off to doveadm expunge under a cron.

John

Re: [webmin-l] Feature Request

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 08/Mar/2017 21:15 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> 
> 
> On 3/8/2017 10:29 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> > On 07/Mar/2017 18:30 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> >> Moving a bunch of virtualhost around lately, I ran across one email
> >> account that had 80,000 emails in the trash. Since, I found a number of
> >> accounts with 20, 30, 40,000 in the trash. So, I went back to look at
> >> Mailbox Cleanup again. I wouldn't want to ever delete any messages from
> >> a clients Inbox unless they requested it... but trash? I have run a
> >> dovecot script to delete spam from spam folders. Anyway... my thought!
> >>
> >> It would be great if Mailbox cleanup had a function to delete messages
> >> older than X number for days from <a list of email folder taken from a
> >> list that I generated>. I could add trash, Trash, Deleted Messages,
> >> Deleted Items and on and on it goes. I guess the only tricky part would
> >> be INBOX.Trash and INBOX.trash and INBOX.Deleted Messages... but I could
> >> most likely find them to add.
> >>
> >> So, far today, I deleted about 30 GB of trash from clients email boxes
> >> after asking them if it was alright. I would be happy to make an
> >> announcement that we are going to do this. Yeah, some versions of
> >> Outlook hide 'purge' and I doubt most end users even know what purge
> >> means. Heck, the one with 80K messages uses SquirrelMail and purge is
> >> right there in your face? Go figure.
> >>
> >> Or, I could set up a bunch of Dovecot crons to do this. :)
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Virtualmin already has a feature to setup automatic trash clearing on
> > a per-domain basis, based on message count or age. It's on the Spam and
> > Virus Delivery page, on the left menu.
> >
> OK, so I'm not going crazy! I could have sworn I had seen that before. 
> We use an anti-spam MX gateway, so needed to have anti-spam turned off 
> on our systems, so I wasn't using those features. I flipped on Spam 
> Filtering with one domain and found it. The next question... how does it 
> know where to look for trash? Or does it look in all folders for like 
> the 'T' flag? If so, this looks more perfect as it can be controlled on 
> a per Virtualhost basis instead of system-wide.

It looks for any folder named "trash" in upper or lower case.

Re: [webmin-l] Feature Request

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

On 3/8/2017 10:29 PM, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> On 07/Mar/2017 18:30 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
>> Moving a bunch of virtualhost around lately, I ran across one email
>> account that had 80,000 emails in the trash. Since, I found a number of
>> accounts with 20, 30, 40,000 in the trash. So, I went back to look at
>> Mailbox Cleanup again. I wouldn't want to ever delete any messages from
>> a clients Inbox unless they requested it... but trash? I have run a
>> dovecot script to delete spam from spam folders. Anyway... my thought!
>>
>> It would be great if Mailbox cleanup had a function to delete messages
>> older than X number for days from <a list of email folder taken from a
>> list that I generated>. I could add trash, Trash, Deleted Messages,
>> Deleted Items and on and on it goes. I guess the only tricky part would
>> be INBOX.Trash and INBOX.trash and INBOX.Deleted Messages... but I could
>> most likely find them to add.
>>
>> So, far today, I deleted about 30 GB of trash from clients email boxes
>> after asking them if it was alright. I would be happy to make an
>> announcement that we are going to do this. Yeah, some versions of
>> Outlook hide 'purge' and I doubt most end users even know what purge
>> means. Heck, the one with 80K messages uses SquirrelMail and purge is
>> right there in your face? Go figure.
>>
>> Or, I could set up a bunch of Dovecot crons to do this. :)
> Hi John,
>
> Virtualmin already has a feature to setup automatic trash clearing on
> a per-domain basis, based on message count or age. It's on the Spam and
> Virus Delivery page, on the left menu.
>
OK, so I'm not going crazy! I could have sworn I had seen that before. 
We use an anti-spam MX gateway, so needed to have anti-spam turned off 
on our systems, so I wasn't using those features. I flipped on Spam 
Filtering with one domain and found it. The next question... how does it 
know where to look for trash? Or does it look in all folders for like 
the 'T' flag? If so, this looks more perfect as it can be controlled on 
a per Virtualhost basis instead of system-wide.

Thanks,
John Hinton

Re: [webmin-l] Feature Request

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On 07/Mar/2017 18:30 John Hinton <web...@ew...> wrote ..
> Moving a bunch of virtualhost around lately, I ran across one email 
> account that had 80,000 emails in the trash. Since, I found a number of 
> accounts with 20, 30, 40,000 in the trash. So, I went back to look at 
> Mailbox Cleanup again. I wouldn't want to ever delete any messages from 
> a clients Inbox unless they requested it... but trash? I have run a 
> dovecot script to delete spam from spam folders. Anyway... my thought!
> 
> It would be great if Mailbox cleanup had a function to delete messages 
> older than X number for days from <a list of email folder taken from a 
> list that I generated>. I could add trash, Trash, Deleted Messages, 
> Deleted Items and on and on it goes. I guess the only tricky part would 
> be INBOX.Trash and INBOX.trash and INBOX.Deleted Messages... but I could 
> most likely find them to add.
> 
> So, far today, I deleted about 30 GB of trash from clients email boxes 
> after asking them if it was alright. I would be happy to make an 
> announcement that we are going to do this. Yeah, some versions of 
> Outlook hide 'purge' and I doubt most end users even know what purge 
> means. Heck, the one with 80K messages uses SquirrelMail and purge is 
> right there in your face? Go figure.
> 
> Or, I could set up a bunch of Dovecot crons to do this. :)

Hi John,

Virtualmin already has a feature to setup automatic trash clearing on
a per-domain basis, based on message count or age. It's on the Spam and
Virus Delivery page, on the left menu.

[webmin-l] Feature Request

[John H. <web...@ew...>]

Moving a bunch of virtualhost around lately, I ran across one email 
account that had 80,000 emails in the trash. Since, I found a number of 
accounts with 20, 30, 40,000 in the trash. So, I went back to look at 
Mailbox Cleanup again. I wouldn't want to ever delete any messages from 
a clients Inbox unless they requested it... but trash? I have run a 
dovecot script to delete spam from spam folders. Anyway... my thought!

It would be great if Mailbox cleanup had a function to delete messages 
older than X number for days from <a list of email folder taken from a 
list that I generated>. I could add trash, Trash, Deleted Messages, 
Deleted Items and on and on it goes. I guess the only tricky part would 
be INBOX.Trash and INBOX.trash and INBOX.Deleted Messages... but I could 
most likely find them to add.

So, far today, I deleted about 30 GB of trash from clients email boxes 
after asking them if it was alright. I would be happy to make an 
announcement that we are going to do this. Yeah, some versions of 
Outlook hide 'purge' and I doubt most end users even know what purge 
means. Heck, the one with 80K messages uses SquirrelMail and purge is 
right there in your face? Go figure.

Or, I could set up a bunch of Dovecot crons to do this. :)

Thanks,
John Hinton

[webmin-l] Webmin not working properly.

[Ryox <bra...@gm...>]

I have a issue with Webmin, and unsure how to Resolve it. Maybe I could get
some help with it?
Link to Picture
http://oi68.tinypic.com/5p1rwy.jpg

I just recently added a DNS Zone for Panguro.com which is what I was
aiming  for; FTP account was made successfully.

But noen of the services will start up, or restart. They said they're all
down.

Re: [webmin-l] Strange things

[Joe C. <jo...@vi...>]

<div dir='auto'>Why would you reinstall everything because a two line Apache misconfiguration?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Virtualmin isn't what is serving your websites, apache is. It's true that Virtualmin isn't providing as much assistance here as I think it should, but the problem is with the Apache configuration. Just disable or delete those virtual hosts, if you're unable to change them. That's the source of your problems. Fix that problem and your sites will work as expected.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 28, 2017 12:40 PM, Kimberly &lt;kim...@gm...&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div>
    <div>OK.  understand.  as I said, I am not
      an apache knowledgeable.  The GUI in Virtualmin does not show an
      entry for changing the Default Server Any to an IP; so where do I
      do this.  And changing the 433 Virtual server caused it to present
      a directory list.<br />
      <br />
      Plus, all this was working with those two in the list.<br />
      <br />
      I have a felling to really fix this mess will mean a server redo.<br />
      <br />
      <br />
      On 2/28/2017 3:30 PM, Joe Cooper wrote:<br />
    </div>
    <blockquote>
      <div dir="auto">Virtualmin didn&#39;t create them. The apache package
        did (Virtualmin has code to detect and remove them during
        install, but it seems like they come back on upgrades or
        something, or maybe something has changed and we don&#39;t detect
        this config correctly).
        <div dir="auto"><br />
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">You could delete them, but I&#39;d recommend you do
          what I suggested earlier...make them IP:port instead of
          *:port. That will fix the problem and I would hope future
          apache upgrades wouldn&#39;t overwrite modified files with the
          broken default config.</div>
      </div>
      <div><br />
        <div class="elided-text">On Feb 28, 2017 12:18 PM, Kimberly
          <a href="mailto:kimberly.wilson&#64;gmx.com">&lt;kimberly.wilson&#64;gmx.com&gt;</a> wrote:<br />
          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div>
              <div>When Virtualmin was installed it did create two Any
                entries; Default Server with Any Address and Any Port
                pointing to /var/www/html and Virtual Server Any Address
                and Port 433 pointing to /var/www/html<br />
                <br />
                Are you saying I need to delete those two entries from
                the Existing virtual hosts?  All of the virtual servers
                I installed I specified the IP address.  Plus, I use
                /home/virtual_server_name/public_html to hold any site.<br />
                <br />
                On 2/28/2017 3:06 PM, Joe Cooper wrote:<br />
              </div>
              <blockquote>
                <div dir="auto">Check all of them. All virtual hosts
                  need to be IP:port or you&#39;ll get the behavior you are
                  seeing. Any *:port causes the non virtual mode of
                  apache to kick in.</div>
                <div><br />
                  <div>On Feb 28, 2017 11:59 AM,
                    Kimberly <a href="mailto:kimberly.wilson&#64;gmx.com">&lt;kimberly.wilson&#64;gmx.com&gt;</a>
                    wrote:<br />
                    <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div>
                        <div>For the domain that no longer works but
                          goes to the default server<br />
                          <br />
                          &lt;VirtualHost xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80&gt;<br />
                          SuexecUserGroup &#34;#xxx&#34; &#34;#xxx&#34;<br />
                          ServerName domain.tld<br />
                          ServerAlias <a href="http://www.domain.tld">www.domain.tld</a><br />
                          <br />
                          <br />
                          and so forth where xxx is actual ip or user
                          group numerals.<br />
                          <br />
                          <br />
                          <br />
                          <br />
                          On 2/28/2017 2:45 PM, Maxwell Smart wrote:<br />
                        </div>
                        <blockquote> </blockquote>
                      </div>
                      No, Joe is correct. It&#39;s not DNS related it&#39;s
                      related to the virtual hosts.<br />
                      <br />
                      The virtual host that your trying to serve is
                      misconfigured.  It probably says:<br />
                      <br />
                      Address  Any<br />
                      Port            80<br />
                      <br />
                      and it should say:<br />
                      <br />
                      Address 192.168.0.1<br />
                      Port            80<br />
                      <br />
                      Using your IP instead of the example.  <br />
                      <br />
                      <br />
                      <br />
                      <div>On 02/28/2017 11:37 AM, Kimberly wrote:<br />
                      </div>
                      <blockquote>
                        <pre>Thanks for your help but that is not the problem.  I have domains that 
have vhosts entries that were working that now goes to the default 
website on the server.  No changes in DNS; so this has to be some 
problem with Virtualmin.  It is also showing a virtual server listed 
together with another virtual server when the two virtual servers are 
not the same owner and group..

On 2/28/2017 2:15 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
</pre>
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                          <pre>On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 14:06:23 -0500
Kimberly <a href="mailto:kimberly.wilson&#64;gmx.com">&lt;kimberly.wilson&#64;gmx.com&gt;</a> wrote:

</pre>
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                            <pre>Another domain on the system is no longer working as well; now going
to the default website on the server.  This mess started when I tried
to change the domain name associated with a sub virtual server which
had the expired certificate with it.  I changed the domain name
associated with that sub virtual server back, and then created a new
virtual server for the new domain name.
Looking at the Apache httpd.conf shows no problem that I can see;
although I am not an Apache person, I prefer working with Nginx.
Any suggestion on fixing this mess or does it mean wiping the server
and rebuilding it?
</pre>
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                          <pre>see here:
<a href="https://support.enclave365.net/2017/02/28/how-to-enable-ssl-for-a-virtualmin">https://support.enclave365.net/2017/02/28/how-to-enable-ssl-for-a-virtualmin</a>
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