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Re: [webmin-devel] Run a script upon logout?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Hi John,

Even though it is a bit odd to reply to my own message, I just thought
you might want to know that I have just added this feature to webmin,
and it will be in version 1.110. If you edit /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf
and add lines like

login_script=/path/to/script/to/run/at/login
logout_script=/path/to/script/to/run/at/logout

and re-start webmin, those scripts will be run whenever a user logs in
out out. Each will be passed the username, session ID, client IP address
and local IP address as parameters.

This will only work when webmin is in the default cookie-based
authentication mode though, as HTTP authentication has no concept of
logins and logouts.

 - Jamie

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 09:01, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> Currently, no - you'd need to modify the miniserv.pl script directly to
> call your own code at the appropriate times. However, this is quite a
> good idea for a new feature to add for a future version (along with a
> script to be run at login time).
> 
>  - Jamie
> 
> On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 00:04, John Horne wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Is it possible to get webmin to run some sort of script/process when the
> > auto-logout feature kicks in? I need to create some temporary files, but
> > do not want these left lying around when the user hits the logout button
> > or the auto-logout occurs. Just exiting the browser is an alternative
> > 'exit method' which I cannot decide what to do about (yet).
> > I'm using webmin 1.090.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John.
> > 
> > -- 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK  Tel: +44 (0)1752 233914
> > E-mail: Joh...@pl...       Fax: +44 (0)1752 233839
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Old Webmin-Theme

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

I agree that this is a potential problem, but fortunately it doesn't
seem to cause any trouble in reality as all browsers that I've seen can
handle single-byte characters like =E4. The only proper solution would be
for the default theme to convert all escaped entities into their
single-byte format before rendering titles. This would be trivial if I
could find a list of all HTML entities and their corresponding special
characters ..

 - Jamie

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 16:27, Martin Mewes wrote:
> Howdy folks,
>=20
> Dieter from www.webmin.de pointed me to a problem which may come up if
> we use named entities for things like
>=20
> index_title=3DSSH/Telnet Login & & & & =E4 =F6 =FC =DF
>=20
> Please review
>=20
> http://server.mamemu.de:30000/telnet/
>=20
> to actually see what he means.
> You can also view the Mozilla-Screenshot here:
> http://webmin.mamemu.de/trans-images/named-entities-in-title/image001.jpg
>=20
> The title in the Old-Webmin-Theme is shown up as images.
> In this case I tried to handle out which different browsers can work
> best with various ways of HTML-entities for "&" for future common use
> in all translations.
>=20
> a) Well easiest thing would be to ged rid of the Old-Webmin-Theme ;-)
> b) Is it possible to patch that theme in order to show things correct?
>=20
> If we would leave that line "as is" like
>=20
> index_title=3DGeplante Cron-Auftr=E4ge
>=20
> things will show up correct in the Old-Webmin-Theme, but may not if
> the title is shown as simple text.
>=20
> Hope I pointed out the problem right.
>=20
>=20
> kind regards
>=20
> Martin Mewes
>=20
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>=20
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Re: [webmin-devel] Themes and login problems

[Martin M. <mar...@de...>]

Howdy,

Thibaut Dabonneville <td...@ri...> wrote:

>I've tryied to figure out how to use the localization for a theme I'm
>currently working on. It seems that localization is only available for
>modules, isn't it ?

I do not know how to do this from a programming point, but I can tell
you that localization is possible for the complete webmin/usermin.

######################################################################
Webmin/Usermin - Translation - Weekly HOWTO - 08.09.2003
Original: http://webmin.mamemu.de/webmin/modules.html#newlang
Last changed: 08.09.2003
Martin Mewes - Webmin/Usermin Translation Co-Ordinator (WTCO)
######################################################################

Adding New Languages to Webmin
New translations of the existing core Webmin modules are always
welcome. If you want to translate Webmin into a new language or update
one of the existing translations, follow these steps :=20
Get the latest development version of Webmin so that you can see the
latest translations that have been done by other people.=20

In the file lang_list.txt in the Webmin root directory, add a new line
for your language like :
lang=3Dsw,titles=3D1,charset=3Diso-6666-6 Swahili
The lang=3D part defines the short code for the language, and should
follow the ISO standard where possible. The titles=3D part controls
whether Webmin should use letter images for displaying page titles in
the language, and should be set to 1 if your language uses european
characters. The optional charset=3D part sets the character set that is
sent to the web browser when using the language, so that is can
automatically select the right font to use.=20

Switch to your new language in the Webmin Configuration module under
the Language icon.=20

In the directory lang under the Webmin root and in each of the lang
subdirectories under the module directories, create a new file called
sw (or whatever the short code for your language is) that is a
translation of the en file in the same directory.=20

In each of the module.info files under the module directories, add a
new desc_sw=3D line that is a translation of the desc=3D line.=20

In each of the module directories, create a new file called
config.info.sw which is a translation of config.info (if it exists).=20

In the help subdirectory under each of the module directories (where
they exist), translate all of the something.html files into
something.sw.html.=20

A table of currently translated languages is available so that you can
see how much has been done for each language and module so far. There
is also a list of other translators that you might want to contact
before doing your own translation work.=20
You don't have to finish translating the entire of Webmin for your
translation to be useful. Many people just do a few modules at a time,
or skip the help pages initially.=20

When your translation has made some progress, send a .tar.gz file of
all the translated files to Martin Mewes at we...@we... so
that he can include it in the main Webmin distribution. The best way
to tar up everything is with the command :
tar czf /tmp/translation.tar.gz */lang/sw lang/sw */module.info
*/config.info.sw */help/*.sw.html


kind regards

Martin Mewes

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c/o IT/IS-Department - Hamburg - Germany

[webmin-devel] Themes and login problems

[Thibaut D. <td...@ri...>]

Hi all,

I've tryied to figure out how to use the localization for a theme I'm
currently working on. It seems that localization is only available for
modules, isn't it ?
In this case, how can I enable this functionnality for themes ? I don't
want to overwrite the modules 'lang' settings and would like to include
this translation with the package ... Rewrinting the translation stuff
in
my lib is the only way to achieve this ?

Next question is about the session_login.cgi file. I made a new one that
follow the theme precedently talken about. This session_login.cgi file
is located in the theme folder as described in the forum.
Apparently, it is impossible to include files from this theme (like
images, css, ...) in order to make them appear on the login page. Is it
a limitation of the miniserv server (acls) ? How to override this ? I
know that I can use a pre-login HTML page which would post to the
session.cgi file but think that the limitation will also apply to it ...

Voila !!

By the way and only for the curious ones, you can give me a feedback on
the theme :)
Redmin theme @
http://oss.dabonneville.org/webmin/1.png
http://oss.dabonneville.org/webmin/2.png


---
Thibaut Dabonneville

[webmin-devel] [WTCO] Old Webmin-Theme

[Martin M. <mar...@de...>]

Howdy folks,

Dieter from www.webmin.de pointed me to a problem which may come up if
we use named entities for things like

index_title=3DSSH/Telnet Login & & & & =E4 =F6 =FC =DF

Please review

http://server.mamemu.de:30000/telnet/

to actually see what he means.
You can also view the Mozilla-Screenshot here:
http://webmin.mamemu.de/trans-images/named-entities-in-title/image001.jpg

The title in the Old-Webmin-Theme is shown up as images.
In this case I tried to handle out which different browsers can work
best with various ways of HTML-entities for "&" for future common use
in all translations.

a) Well easiest thing would be to ged rid of the Old-Webmin-Theme ;-)
b) Is it possible to patch that theme in order to show things correct?

If we would leave that line "as is" like

index_title=3DGeplante Cron-Auftr=E4ge

things will show up correct in the Old-Webmin-Theme, but may not if
the title is shown as simple text.

Hope I pointed out the problem right.


kind regards

Martin Mewes

--=20
Novacote Flexpack - Division of COIM Deutschland GmbH
c/o IT/IS-Department - Hamburg - Germany

Re: [webmin-devel] [Webmin/Usermin] Sending eMails

[Martin M. <mar...@de...>]

Hi Jamie,

Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:

>> Found it ;-)
>> Maybe we could all negotiate on having "text/plain" as default?
>> Or what matters could cause this not to do?
>
>I only made the use of MIME encoding the default for consistency's sake,
>so that all messages sent by Usermin are MIME encoded. Every mail client
>these days should be able to it ..

Sure, I am just talking about that maybe more "so called" IT-Admins
may think that all "multipart" is "evil". Well maybe just this
particular one is plain paranoid :->



kind regards

Martin Mewes

--=20
Novacote Flexpack - Division of COIM Deutschland GmbH
c/o IT/IS-Department - Hamburg - Germany

Re: [webmin-devel] [Webmin/Usermin] Sending eMails

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 01:08, Martin Mewes wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> 
> Am Dienstag, 9. September 2003 14:33 schrieb
>  Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:
> 
> > > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bound1063106750"
> > >
> > > Questions: Why?
> >
> > By default, Usermin always MIME-encodes emails, even if they
> > contain only a single plain text MIME part. However, there is an
> > option on the Preferences page to have Usermin send pure plain text
> > messages if possible.
> 
> Found it ;-)
> Maybe we could all negotiate on having "text/plain" as default?
> Or what matters could cause this not to do?

I only made the use of MIME encoding the default for consistency's sake,
so that all messages sent by Usermin are MIME encoded. Every mail client
these days should be able to it ..

 - Jamie

Re: [webmin-devel] Detecting other local webmin users - is it possible?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Unfortunately there isn't really any way to implement something like
that, as it is hard to detect if a web user has 'left' a page and gone
to some totally different website, or is just sitting there looking at
it. Maybe you could write some code that uses the $session_id variable
to update a file of locks and uses timeouts to prevent locks from being
held too long ... but there is no support or standard functions for this
kind of locking built into webmin.

I did consider it at one point, but gave up because it was too hard!

 - Jamie

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 00:43, John Horne wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Second question! Is it possible to detect from within a module whether
> there are any other people using the same module on the same server?
> 
> I am trying to revamp the dynbind third-party module for BIND version 9,
> and allowing for dynamic and static updates. The static bit works on
> files, which can be locked, as with BIND 8, so that is not really a
> problem. However, (a) the named.conf file could change if there is more
> than one local user using the module - the result is that the wrong
> options or zone can be displayed; (b) with dynamic zones updates can
> occur whilst a user things they are looking at the 'current' state of
> the zone. If they change a record, then it may have already changed
> whilst they were looking at it! Very awkward. Either I need to take a
> snapshot of the dynamic zone - hence my first question about files and
> logging out - or I need to determine if there are any other users using
> webmin at the same time.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John.
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK  Tel: +44 (0)1752 233914
> E-mail: Joh...@pl...       Fax: +44 (0)1752 233839
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [webmin-devel] Run a script upon logout?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Currently, no - you'd need to modify the miniserv.pl script directly to
call your own code at the appropriate times. However, this is quite a
good idea for a new feature to add for a future version (along with a
script to be run at login time).

 - Jamie

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 00:04, John Horne wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to get webmin to run some sort of script/process when the
> auto-logout feature kicks in? I need to create some temporary files, but
> do not want these left lying around when the user hits the logout button
> or the auto-logout occurs. Just exiting the browser is an alternative
> 'exit method' which I cannot decide what to do about (yet).
> I'm using webmin 1.090.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John.
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK  Tel: +44 (0)1752 233914
> E-mail: Joh...@pl...       Fax: +44 (0)1752 233839
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [webmin-devel] [Webmin/Usermin] Sending eMails

[Martin M. <mm...@ag...>]

Hi Jamie,

Am Dienstag, 9. September 2003 14:33 schrieb
 Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:

> > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"bound1063106750"
> >
> > Questions: Why?
>
> By default, Usermin always MIME-encodes emails, even if they
> contain only a single plain text MIME part. However, there is an
> option on the Preferences page to have Usermin send pure plain text
> messages if possible.

=46ound it ;-)
Maybe we could all negotiate on having "text/plain" as default?
Or what matters could cause this not to do?


=2D-=20
http://webmin.mamemu.de/		WebMin-Mirror
http://webmin.mamemu.de/download.html	WebMin Translations
Official Webmin/Usermin Translation Co-Ordinator 2003/2004
http://www.webmin.com/mailing-trans.html

[webmin-devel] Detecting other local webmin users - is it possible?

[John H. <j....@pl...>]

Hello,

Second question! Is it possible to detect from within a module whether
there are any other people using the same module on the same server?

I am trying to revamp the dynbind third-party module for BIND version 9,
and allowing for dynamic and static updates. The static bit works on
files, which can be locked, as with BIND 8, so that is not really a
problem. However, (a) the named.conf file could change if there is more
than one local user using the module - the result is that the wrong
options or zone can be displayed; (b) with dynamic zones updates can
occur whilst a user things they are looking at the 'current' state of
the zone. If they change a record, then it may have already changed
whilst they were looking at it! Very awkward. Either I need to take a
snapshot of the dynamic zone - hence my first question about files and
logging out - or I need to determine if there are any other users using
webmin at the same time.


Thanks,

John.

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK  Tel: +44 (0)1752 233914
E-mail: Joh...@pl...       Fax: +44 (0)1752 233839

[webmin-devel] Run a script upon logout?

[John H. <j....@pl...>]

Hello,

Is it possible to get webmin to run some sort of script/process when the
auto-logout feature kicks in? I need to create some temporary files, but
do not want these left lying around when the user hits the logout button
or the auto-logout occurs. Just exiting the browser is an alternative
'exit method' which I cannot decide what to do about (yet).
I'm using webmin 1.090.


Thanks,

John.

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK  Tel: +44 (0)1752 233914
E-mail: Joh...@pl...       Fax: +44 (0)1752 233839

Re: [webmin-devel] [Webmin/Usermin] Sending eMails

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 21:33, Martin Mewes wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I just had an eMail-conversation with someone who is telling me that
> he is blocking all eMails which are _not_ "text/plain".
> During this conversation I switched to Usermin to write an answer and
> suddenly I got an eMail that my eMail has been trashed because of this
> 
> >X-Originating-IP: 193.158.0.42
> >X-Mailer: Usermin 1.037
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bound1063106750"
> 
> While sending eMails back and froth we came to this, that whatever
> kind of eMail is send with Webmin/usermin it is always something like
> 
> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bound1063106750"
> 
> Questions: Why?

By default, Usermin always MIME-encodes emails, even if they contain
only a single plain text MIME part. However, there is an option on the
Preferences page to have Usermin send pure plain text messages if
possible.

 - Jamie

[webmin-devel] [Webmin/Usermin] Sending eMails

[Martin M. <mar...@de...>]

Howdy,

I just had an eMail-conversation with someone who is telling me that
he is blocking all eMails which are _not_ "text/plain".
During this conversation I switched to Usermin to write an answer and
suddenly I got an eMail that my eMail has been trashed because of this

>X-Originating-IP: 193.158.0.42
>X-Mailer: Usermin 1.037
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"bound1063106750"

While sending eMails back and froth we came to this, that whatever
kind of eMail is send with Webmin/usermin it is always something like

>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"bound1063106750"

Questions: Why?


kind regards

Martin Mewes

--=20
Novacote Flexpack - Division of COIM Deutschland GmbH
c/o IT/IS-Department - Hamburg - Germany

RE: [webmin-devel] Display output to page?

[Larry G. <Li...@IS...>]

Thanks Jamie!

--Larry



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamie Cameron

> You could use code like :
> 
> $out = `/etc/init.d/spamassassin restart 2>&1`;
> print "Output from spamassassin was:\n";
> print "<pre>$out</pre>\n";
> 
>  - Jamie


> Larry Gilson <Li...@IS...> wrote ..
> > Hi Jamie,
> > 
> > Could you point me to code I can use to display the output 
> > of a command to a web page.  What I am looking to do is issue 
> > a restart of SpamAssassin and would like to display the output.
> > 
> > [dude@host user]# /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart
> > Shutting down spamd:                                       [  OK  ]
> > Starting spamd:                                            [  OK  ]

Re: [webmin-devel] Display output to page?

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

You could use code like :

$out = `/etc/init.d/spamassassin restart 2>&1`;
print "Output from spamassassin was:\n";
print "<pre>$out</pre>\n";

 - Jamie

Larry Gilson <Li...@IS...> wrote ..
> Hi Jamie,
> 
> Could you point me to code I can use to display the output of a command
> to a
> web page.  What I am looking to do is issue a restart of SpamAssassin and
> would like to display the output.
> 
> [dude@host user]# /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart
> Shutting down spamd:                                       [  OK  ]
> Starting spamd:                                            [  OK  ]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
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[webmin-devel] Display output to page?

[Larry G. <Li...@IS...>]

Hi Jamie,

Could you point me to code I can use to display the output of a command to a
web page.  What I am looking to do is issue a restart of SpamAssassin and
would like to display the output.

[dude@host user]# /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart
Shutting down spamd:                                       [  OK  ]
Starting spamd:                                            [  OK  ]




Thanks,
Larry

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Martin M. <mm...@ag...>]

Hi Jamie,

Am Samstag, 6. September 2003 13:29 schrieb
 Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:

> > Let's start this sequence after the release of the next "stable".
> > Makes things easier I guess.
>
> Sounds good ..
>
> I've actually just released the 1.109 development version of
> webmin, which contains all of the features that will be in the
> 1.110 stable release. Translators or potential testers are
> encouraged to download it from http://www.webmin.com/devel.html and
> try it out. Unless some really serious problem is found, the 1.100
> release will come out in about a week ..
>
> This development version fixes the annoying problem that some IE
> users were having, thanks to Marius Popovici who gave me remote
> access to a system experiencing the problem.

webmin.mamemu.de is updated.
Devel works ok and I will check IE-errors on monday.
I do not have IE at home ;-)

kind regards

Martin

=2D-=20
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http://webmin.mamemu.de/download.html	WebMin Translations
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http://www.webmin.com/mailing-trans.html

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Martin Mewes wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> 
> Am Freitag, 5. September 2003 14:58 schrieb
>  Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:
> 
> 
>>>a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
>>>b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
>>>c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before
>>>"stable".
>>>d) I will check in the latest translations two days
>>>afterwards.
>>>e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next
>>>"stable".
>>
>>I think the second sequence sounds best ..
>>Should I notify you when I put out a devel release, or do you have
>>some script to delete it automatically?
> 
> 
> The script I use is called "keep your eyes on webmin" ;-)
> In fact I nearly watch daily on my mirror and will actually see it at 
> least 24 hours later ...
> 
> I always do a RPM-Upgrade with Webmin then and go ahead.
> 
> The only thing I need to know for sure is part c) of this agreed 
> sequence.
> 
> I have submitted your eMail-Adress to webmin-trans, so that you can do 
> Official Announcements to this list as well without receiving the 
> list itself.
> 
> Let's start this sequence after the release of the next "stable". 
> Makes things easier I guess.

Sounds good ..

I've actually just released the 1.109 development version of webmin, 
which contains all of the features that will be in the 1.110 stable 
release. Translators or potential testers are encouraged to download 
it from http://www.webmin.com/devel.html and try it out. Unless some 
really serious problem is found, the 1.100 release will come out in 
about a week ..

This development version fixes the annoying problem that some IE users 
were having, thanks to Marius Popovici who gave me remote access to a 
system experiencing the problem.

  - Jamie

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Martin M. <mm...@ag...>]

Hi Jamie,

Am Freitag, 5. September 2003 14:58 schrieb
 Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:

>> a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
>> b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
>> c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before
>> "stable".
>> d) I will check in the latest translations two days
>> afterwards.
>> e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next
>> "stable".
>
> I think the second sequence sounds best ..
> Should I notify you when I put out a devel release, or do you have
> some script to delete it automatically?

The script I use is called "keep your eyes on webmin" ;-)
In fact I nearly watch daily on my mirror and will actually see it at 
least 24 hours later ...

I always do a RPM-Upgrade with Webmin then and go ahead.

The only thing I need to know for sure is part c) of this agreed 
sequence.

I have submitted your eMail-Adress to webmin-trans, so that you can do 
Official Announcements to this list as well without receiving the 
list itself.

Let's start this sequence after the release of the next "stable". 
Makes things easier I guess.

kind regards

Martin

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Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 20:56, Martin Mewes wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> 
> Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:
> 
> >I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
> >need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
> >submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
> >if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
> >remote login to their systems, let me know!
> 
> OK, so I think there is no further negotiating needed as long as we
> can agree to this:
> 
> a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
> b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
> c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the next "stable".
> d) I will check in the latest translations two days in advance.
> e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".
> 
> or
> 
> a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
> b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
> c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before "stable".
> d) I will check in the latest translations two days afterwards.
> e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".

I think the second sequence sounds best ..
Should I notify you when I put out a devel release, or do you have some
script to delete it automatically?

 - Jamie

Re: Re[2]: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Yeah, that is the exact problem! 
A normal user login should be enough for me to work out the cause ..

 - Jamie

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:18, Marius Popovici wrote:
> I think I can help you with reproducing this nasty bug. I have come upon it just a few weeks
> ago and it fits your description very well. Let me explain what happens on my system: everything works fine 
> with Mozilla, Konqueror, Netscape and Opera but when submitting a form with Internet Explorer users get
> a "Cannot display page" in return. This doesn't happen all the time but it does in 90% of the submits.
> I have managed to avoid this bug by converting submit methods from POST to GET but this isn't a good solution
> for I have some forms with a large number of inputs and GET can't always handle that many data. I thought the problems
> are in my CGI but I noticed that this happens in forms from all modules even with small amounts of input controls.
> At last :) I have noticed that this happens only on my machine (running Slackware 9.0) and it works just fine when installed
> on SUSE or something else. 
> 
> Hope, this helps. I can help you with a remote login on my machine if you are interested, but we have to agree on a schedule
> because the machine in question is my home computer and it's not always up. 
> 
> Best regards,
> Marius 
> ma...@4n... 
> 
> 
> Friday, September 5, 2003, 1:02:41 PM, you wrote:
> 
> JC> I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
> JC> need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
> JC> submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
> JC> if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
> JC> remote login to their systems, let me know!
> 
> JC>  - Jamie
> 
> 
> 
>   

Re[2]: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Marius P. <ma...@4n...>]

I think I can help you with reproducing this nasty bug. I have come upon it just a few weeks
ago and it fits your description very well. Let me explain what happens on my system: everything works fine 
with Mozilla, Konqueror, Netscape and Opera but when submitting a form with Internet Explorer users get
a "Cannot display page" in return. This doesn't happen all the time but it does in 90% of the submits.
I have managed to avoid this bug by converting submit methods from POST to GET but this isn't a good solution
for I have some forms with a large number of inputs and GET can't always handle that many data. I thought the problems
are in my CGI but I noticed that this happens in forms from all modules even with small amounts of input controls.
At last :) I have noticed that this happens only on my machine (running Slackware 9.0) and it works just fine when installed
on SUSE or something else. 

Hope, this helps. I can help you with a remote login on my machine if you are interested, but we have to agree on a schedule
because the machine in question is my home computer and it's not always up. 

Best regards,
Marius 
ma...@4n... 


Friday, September 5, 2003, 1:02:41 PM, you wrote:

JC> I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
JC> need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
JC> submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
JC> if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
JC> remote login to their systems, let me know!

JC>  - Jamie



  

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Martin M. <mar...@de...>]

Hi Jamie,

Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:

>I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
>need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
>submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
>if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
>remote login to their systems, let me know!

OK, so I think there is no further negotiating needed as long as we
can agree to this:

a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the next "stable".
d) I will check in the latest translations two days in advance.
e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".

or

a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before "stable".
d) I will check in the latest translations two days afterwards.
e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".


kind regards

Martin Mewes

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c/o IT/IS-Department - Hamburg - Germany

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

I don't really have a fixed schedule for releasing stable or development
versions. But typically 1-2 months will elapse between each stable
release that gets listed on www.webmin.com (currently 1.100). And a new
devel release made available at www.webmin.com/devel.html about every
1-2 weeks (the current one being 1.107)..

Typically, I will create and announce a development version about a week
prior to the next stable release so that people can test it out, and so
that translators can make any last minute features. Ideally, no changes
will be made between this pre-release version and the next stable
release.

I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
remote login to their systems, let me know!

 - Jamie

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 04:15, Martin Mewes wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I need to understand if we can activate some "methods" so that 
> translators and, of course, myself have some time to translate 
> things.
> 
> Before we start to negotiate I would like to know if there already is 
> something we can depend on. This could be, that Jamie does a "devel" 
> only once a week or that there are two weeks between the last "devel" 
> and the next "stable" or something like this.
> 
> Anyway I think it is important to tell the folks on the Webmin-Website 
> that the most up2date translations are only involved in the "stable" 
> and there will be no trans-updates in "devel".
> 
> Questions, comments, side-remarks to this idea/these ideas are 
> welcomed.
> 
> Have a lot of fun :-)
> 
> Martin
> 
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