web-erp-developers — Discussion on development of webERP

Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Great stuff!  Borland rules!!  What's MSX?  I think I might have you =
beat by age though.  I started with TI99/4A and Timex/Sinclair ZX80 =
before I got my Commodore 64.  Here's some links...

http://www.oldcomputers.net/zx81.html

http://www.vex.net/~guru/ti/ti994nota.htm

Lots of experience around this project I'd say!!!

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:08 PM
  Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge


  Dear Steve and All,

  =20

  > Hey, Phil, not true.  Just a different skill set.  A skill set more =
similar to mine than yours.  Except I don't have XML, Flash or Delphi =
experience.  I have some other experience though ;)

  =20

  Each one have their own skills. I developed mine as needed. Computers =
are a passion of mine and today, although I use computers as a secondary =
part in my profession (I am a International Sales Manager) they are =
still a big deal in my life. I usually use those to help the companies =
to develop their computer side and to improve the Company's efficiency.=20

  =20

  =D8       I can tell by the Borland C note that you are from my days, =
Rom!  Was Borland the best by far or what?!!

  =20

  I started in the computers at the age of 11, when I got my first =
commodore and a MSX. then I went to the Amiga and then at the same time =
to PCs. I started programming basic and logo in the MSX. I got my first =
job programming Borland C developing PDA like devices to the police of =
my country (I was 17 in that time). Then I become passionate with =
Borland C and DOS. Borland C is extremely powerful and I still recompile =
some of my old stuff just for fun using Dos Box and FreeDOS some times. =
I am no computer genius but I can make it work :D and the best of all: I =
have fun doing it. As it is for me know a lot of fun doing this project =
with you guys.

  =20

  Best Regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

  =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Daintrees=20

    To: web...@li...=20

    Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:39 AM

    Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

    =20

    You are WAY more knowledgable than me!

    =20

    Phil

      ----- Original Message -----=20

      From: Rom Pereira=20

      To: web...@li...=20

      Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 AM

      Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

      =20

      Dear Phil and All,

      =20

      Thank you for your welcome to the project.

      =20

      Although I agree with you that this is fun, I always try to spend =
my available time in something that can help others. And I know that a =
software like this would help a lot of small companies that are starting =
and do not have money to spent in expensive ERPs. As soon as we are done =
with the translation I will try to spread this all around. Here in the =
company we just adopted (unfortunately we are still using windows) =
OpenOffice.org and we are very satisfied with the results. As far as I =
know the future looks brighter and I will do everything I can so efforts =
like this will grow and grow and software like Web-ERP will become an =
everyday need.=20

      =20

      I am not the best php programmer, but I can do some coding and I =
am sure that I will learn a lot here. I am always open to learn more and =
I am not afraid of fixing mistakes of mine. Something I am good at is =
producing GUIs that are small in size and have harmony and are pleasant =
to look at. I try to keep it simple, as portable as I can and stable. I =
am used to produce GUIs to Netscape/Mozilla/IE and compatible with =
Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

      =20

      So that you get acquainted with what I can do:=20

      =20

      Programming Skills:

      -----------------------------------------------------

      C/C++ (mostly Console Borland C)

      VB

      HB++ (Palm)

      Delphi

      PHP

      Javascript (Browser and PDF)

      Some Java

      Flash Actionscript

      CSS

      HTML

      XML

      XHTML

      =20

      Graphic Skills

      -----------------------------------------------------

      Photoshop

      Illustrator

      Flash

      Image treating/optimizing

      =20

      Some DB Skills (Mostly MySQL, MsSQL, Oracle), lot of Hardware =
programming (like routers, firewalls and so on)  and more computer =
skills that I do not know if we can use in this project.

      =20

      Sorry about the long email,

      =20

      Thank you and best regards,

      =20

      Rom Pereira

      =20

      =20


-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-

      From: web...@li... =
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of =
Daintrees
      Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 03:52
      To: web...@li...
      Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

      =20

      Rom,

      =20

      The project is completely open and all input is greatly =
appreciated.

      =20

      Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the =
sourceforge site

      =20

      =
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D24138&group_id=3D70=
949

      =20

      Consider yourself IN!

      =20

      Thanks for joining in the fun!

      =20

      Phil

        ----- Original Message -----=20

        From: Rom Pereira=20

        To: web...@li...=20

        Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM

        Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

        =20

        Hello All,

        =20

        I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is =
romrp.

        =20

        Please let me in! :D

        =20

        Thank you and best regards,

        =20

        Rom Pereira

RE: [Web-erp-developers] Translations

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Dear Phil,

> 
> Where are you at? Sounds like Florida to me...

Wellington New Zealand!

Darn, you are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away...

> 
> I used to leave in Florida, in Miami. The ocean is a passion of mine...
> 

Me too - mad keen windsurfer as a lad. Too old and too cold now.

Hehe, love to sail also... Although I am getting a little bit rusty with all
the work and family...
 
Hope to visit you some day in this wonderful country of yours

With Best Regards,

Rom Pereira

Re: [Web-erp-developers] New Look

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

I was thinking of pull-down menus too but only as an alternate selected =
way because they would have to use Javascript.  The rule here is ALL =
HTML, CSS and PHP but possibly the odd Javascript as an option where it =
makes sense.  In this case it makes sense.  The Javascript must be =
tested and word in all the main browsers at the very least.

That's good about the icons being able to be different colors.

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] New Look


  Hello Steve and All,

  =20

  =D8       I'm thinking that possibly you're working from the old =
interface.  Have you downloaded the most recent cvs?  By the way, if you =
haven't, they seem to be having trouble with it for the last week.  =
You'll either have to wait or=20

  =D8       maybe Phil has a copy that he could send.

  =20

  Yes, I did this based on the download version of webERP. I did not =
join the CVS efforts yet. Where should I start?

  =20

  =D8       The graphics are very good.  The font on the menu is too =
small as it displays on mine.  Do you mean to have the Selects in that =
Go To drop-down?=20

  =20

  Yes, it is quite small. I am still doing some work on it since there =
are 2 concerns in that part: 1) the description of the icons and 2) the =
translation of it. I was thinking in maybe making the Modules Navigation =
a pull down menu. I don't know. All inputs are welcome :D.

  =20

  > Personally I'd like to drop the plus sign at the end of webERP as I =
think any punctuation makes it difficult for people to catch onto and =
readily communicate.  I believe a name that is represented the same =
everywhere and without > anything that hinders remembering it quickly =
and long term means it spreads quicker.  Especially in web searches, =
etc.  However, that's Phil's call. =20

  =20

  I just copy the actual way you write down the logo. As you said it is =
Phil's call. I just did a little redesign since "web" and "erp" are two =
different word and in languages like mine (Brazilian Portuguese) it =
sounds like one word. So it would be important, in my point of view (I =
can be wrong), to show that it is 2 words. I agree about the identity =
thing. One cannot change its name otherwise it looses it identity.

  =20

  > I find these days that several of the erp vendors have gone with =
pastel (calmer) shades as a color scheme.  In fact earth tones seem to =
be the "norm".  Accpac has varying shades of soft browns, blues (some =
harder)and greys > including their icons.  Great Plains uses soft to =
medium blues, greys, browns and soft, sort of grey/green.  Navision is =
soft blues and browns.  Possibly others may disagree.  Is it possible to =
reshade the graphics into a pastel > color scheme?

  =20

  I just copy and paste the icons in the interface. The green and orange =
makes it more commercial now-a-days, but I do agree with you that the =
pastels are more neutral and it is hard that people hates it. Who does =
not like pastels can easily ignore it. But my idea is the following: =
with CSS it is easy to change the main interface colors and we can do =
(as soon as we decide to use the Everaldo icons and the he sends to me =
the vector version of his icons so we can change the coloring on them) =
different versions of the icons for the different themes. So we can have =
10 different versions of the coloring of the icons and much more =
combinations of the CSS schemes.

  =20

  Best regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Rom Pereira=20

    To: web...@li...=20

    Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:12 AM

    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] New Look

    =20

    Dear All,

    =20

    I am designing a new look for the interface (I am doing the design =
job, so please don't mind the graphics) and would like to know your =
opinion about it:

    =20

    http://www.primor.ind.br/i/weberp_01_18.08.2004.jpg

    =20

    I kept all 3 navigations on it:

    =20

    - The icons are the navigation between modules;

    =20

    - The pull down menu is the navigation inside the modules (main menu =
and so on)

    =20

    - The items below are the same.

    =20

    The interface is good for 800x600, but it is possible to do a "slim" =
version that will fit in smaller screen widths.

    =20

    Please let me know your input,

    =20

    Best Regards,

    =20

    Rom Perei

RE: [Web-erp-developers] design idea

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Dear Phil and All,

> Sorry its taken me a few days to comment on your design work.

It is fine :)

> This design looks great!

Thank you!

> What is the intention with the GO TO selection box?

I noticed that Menu in the top right side (in the stable version, not CVS)
stays the same all the time. So I thought about putting it on a pull down so
it gets less space in the interface.

> One point - design seems to have adopted the old horizontal format.
> Steve's new design that I recently committed to the CVS is more vertical
> than the old horizontal way - you may want to have a look at this - I
> like the fact that we can get more links visible on the page with his
> way. It makes good use of the whole screen - even works at 600x800.

Well, I did not see the CVS version yet... Please point me the way to get
there. Some point I can share in my experience is that the interface must
attend to 2 types of user: the new user and the everyday user. The new user
needs to easily get along with the interface. The everyday user needs the
interface to work as fast as possible as well as efficient as possible to
them.

I saw the webERP as far as Interface and Navigation in the stable version as
follows:

- Modules (payables, receivables, etc)
- In Module Navigation (that is the main menu link and others) - these stay
as the same in all modules
- Options for each modules (those are unique for each module)

> I have had lectures from Steve about how the visual appeal is important
> for marketing purposes and getting initial buy in from potential users
> .... and since everyone will have different view on what looks good I
> really like the themes idea. This involves a new directory under the css
> directory all you need to do is tell config.php the name of the new
> directory (theme) under the css directory and the whole system changes
> its look! We could even make this different for different users quite
> easily.

I agree with Steve. Desing today is as important as functionality... You do
not wish to buy a Mercedes or a BMW or that wonderful Sport car because you
can drive you faster to work... It is because it appeals to you. You like
it. The same way with an application: you need to like its looks so you have
the will to become more acquainted to it...

> This may sound like me pouring cold water over your idea and I
> desperately don't want to put you off contributing. Its not that your
> design is not great... it is. However, I must say that I not keen to
> re-invent the core GUI every couple of months. Re-working old scripts
> always gives me the nasty negative feeling of "if only I'd done it this
> way in the first place I wouldn't be wasting time doing it again" - GUI
> re-invention seems like a never ending circle and I prefer to focus on
> pushing out the accounting functionality.

No it is fine... The whole idea of copying in some way the stable interface
was that we had to only change the header and footer files... It is not in
my concept having to redo any development in this way, only, of course, if
we decide so. Please put the stable interface side to side with this one I
did and you notice that they are the same, just with the positions changed.
It will work as a new theme to your stable version.

> Thats not to say that if we can extend the themes concept to allow a few
> more bells and whistles ... then lets do it!

> Perhaps we should get stuck into the multi-language stuff first then
> revisit the GUI after that.

Ok :D

Thank you for the comments,

Rom Pereira

On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 17:32, Rom Pereira wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
>  
> 
> It is 2:30 AM here. Quite late and the wife is sleeping already. Best
> time to work huh?
> 
>  
> 
> Well, I did some design. Hope you like.
> 
>  
> 
> Please let me know your input. All comments will be welcome.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you and Best Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Rom Pereira
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 




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Re: [Web-erp-developers] New Look

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Hi Rom,

Well I can tell you what I've figured out so far about cvs.  Others can =
tell you more I'm sure.  If you are using Windows then this will be more =
helpful and if not then maybe someone else can fill in the Linux blanks. =
 Also, Phil has a link to the SourceForge cvs explanation although it's =
more convoluted and less practical than what I'll explain here. =20

WinCVS seems to be the best so find it, download it and install it.  =
They have a link to it from SourceForge.  Now you are about half way =
there.  Go into WinCVS and click on Admin > Login.  Click on the General =
tab.  Fill in the following

pserver
/cvsroot/web-erp
cvs.sf.net
anonymous
ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/web-erp

I went to the Globals tab and checked Checkout read-only as well.  Don't =
honestly know if it's needed though.

Next, click on Remote > Checkout module.  Type in web-erp in the top =
area then select a local folder where it will be downloaded.  Click OK =
and it should download the newest cvs version to the local folder.

Voila!

There are ways of updating your cvs, etc. but I have been keeping it =
simple.  I rename my local folder and then download a new copy.  I then =
use my awesome compare tool to see what has changed and to move my =
changes in from another copy I work with.

Hope this helps.  I really don't know why the SourceForge instructions =
have to be so impractical.  They are enough to scare anyone off for =
good, I swear.  Anyway, that should get you started and you can go from =
there.

Some others may be able to add some helpful hints.

The idea is to know what files, tables and graphics you have changed and =
to give them to Phil.  He will look it over and put what he decides into =
the cvs.  Phil makes good decisions, except the one I don't agree with =
him about...hahaha...just kidding.

After Phil moves the changes into the cvs it is good to download it and =
test to make sure whatever you did that he incorporated works correctly. =


Steve


=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] New Look


  Hello Steve and All,

  =20

  =D8       I'm thinking that possibly you're working from the old =
interface.  Have you downloaded the most recent cvs?  By the way, if you =
haven't, they seem to be having trouble with it for the last week.  =
You'll either have to wait or=20

  =D8       maybe Phil has a copy that he could send.

  =20

  Yes, I did this based on the download version of webERP. I did not =
join the CVS efforts yet. Where should I start?

  =20

  =D8       The graphics are very good.  The font on the menu is too =
small as it displays on mine.  Do you mean to have the Selects in that =
Go To drop-down?=20

  =20

  Yes, it is quite small. I am still doing some work on it since there =
are 2 concerns in that part: 1) the description of the icons and 2) the =
translation of it. I was thinking in maybe making the Modules Navigation =
a pull down menu. I don't know. All inputs are welcome :D.

  =20

  > Personally I'd like to drop the plus sign at the end of webERP as I =
think any punctuation makes it difficult for people to catch onto and =
readily communicate.  I believe a name that is represented the same =
everywhere and without > anything that hinders remembering it quickly =
and long term means it spreads quicker.  Especially in web searches, =
etc.  However, that's Phil's call. =20

  =20

  I just copy the actual way you write down the logo. As you said it is =
Phil's call. I just did a little redesign since "web" and "erp" are two =
different word and in languages like mine (Brazilian Portuguese) it =
sounds like one word. So it would be important, in my point of view (I =
can be wrong), to show that it is 2 words. I agree about the identity =
thing. One cannot change its name otherwise it looses it identity.

  =20

  > I find these days that several of the erp vendors have gone with =
pastel (calmer) shades as a color scheme.  In fact earth tones seem to =
be the "norm".  Accpac has varying shades of soft browns, blues (some =
harder)and greys > including their icons.  Great Plains uses soft to =
medium blues, greys, browns and soft, sort of grey/green.  Navision is =
soft blues and browns.  Possibly others may disagree.  Is it possible to =
reshade the graphics into a pastel > color scheme?

  =20

  I just copy and paste the icons in the interface. The green and orange =
makes it more commercial now-a-days, but I do agree with you that the =
pastels are more neutral and it is hard that people hates it. Who does =
not like pastels can easily ignore it. But my idea is the following: =
with CSS it is easy to change the main interface colors and we can do =
(as soon as we decide to use the Everaldo icons and the he sends to me =
the vector version of his icons so we can change the coloring on them) =
different versions of the icons for the different themes. So we can have =
10 different versions of the coloring of the icons and much more =
combinations of the CSS schemes.

  =20

  Best regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Rom Pereira=20

    To: web...@li...=20

    Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:12 AM

    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] New Look

    =20

    Dear All,

    =20

    I am designing a new look for the interface (I am doing the design =
job, so please don't mind the graphics) and would like to know your =
opinion about it:

    =20

    http://www.primor.ind.br/i/weberp_01_18.08.2004.jpg

    =20

    I kept all 3 navigations on it:

    =20

    - The icons are the navigation between modules;

    =20

    - The pull down menu is the navigation inside the modules (main menu =
and so on)

    =20

    - The items below are the same.

    =20

    The interface is good for 800x600, but it is possible to do a "slim" =
version that will fit in smaller screen widths.

    =20

    Please let me know your input,

    =20

    Best Regards,

    =20

    Rom Perei

RE: [Web-erp-developers] design idea

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Dear Dick and All,

 

I guess that users will like this! 

 

Thank you! Although I believe that we will have an entirely different
version in the end ;)

 

p.s. Is your wife not complaining?

 

Well, I believe that "complaining" comes with the wife definition. But I do
what I can to help her and in the end, she understands that I need some time
alone with my thinking and my notebook. I cannot complain about her
complaining (that sounded nice :-)) because it helped me to become a better
person in a lot of different ways. But sometimes it is a pain. life is
wonderful and my family makes it easier by far to live it.

 

With Best Regards,

 

Rom Pereira

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:32 AM

Subject: [Web-erp-developers] design idea

 

Hello All,

 

It is 2:30 AM here. Quite late and the wife is sleeping already. Best time
to work huh?

 

Well, I did some design. Hope you like.

 

Please let me know your input. All comments will be welcome.

 

Thank you and Best Regards,

 

Rom Pereira

 

 

RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Dear Steve and All,

 

> Hey, Phil, not true.  Just a different skill set.  A skill set more
similar to mine than yours.  Except I don't have XML, Flash or Delphi
experience.  I have some other experience though ;)

 

Each one have their own skills. I developed mine as needed. Computers are a
passion of mine and today, although I use computers as a secondary part in
my profession (I am a International Sales Manager) they are still a big deal
in my life. I usually use those to help the companies to develop their
computer side and to improve the Company's efficiency. 

 

*       I can tell by the Borland C note that you are from my days, Rom!
Was Borland the best by far or what?!!

 

I started in the computers at the age of 11, when I got my first commodore
and a MSX. then I went to the Amiga and then at the same time to PCs. I
started programming basic and logo in the MSX. I got my first job
programming Borland C developing PDA like devices to the police of my
country (I was 17 in that time). Then I become passionate with Borland C and
DOS. Borland C is extremely powerful and I still recompile some of my old
stuff just for fun using Dos Box and FreeDOS some times. I am no computer
genius but I can make it work :D and the best of all: I have fun doing it.
As it is for me know a lot of fun doing this project with you guys.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rom Pereira

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Daintrees <mailto:p.d...@pa...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:39 AM

Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

You are WAY more knowledgable than me!

 

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 AM

Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Dear Phil and All,

 

Thank you for your welcome to the project.

 

Although I agree with you that this is fun, I always try to spend my
available time in something that can help others. And I know that a software
like this would help a lot of small companies that are starting and do not
have money to spent in expensive ERPs. As soon as we are done with the
translation I will try to spread this all around. Here in the company we
just adopted (unfortunately we are still using windows) OpenOffice.org and
we are very satisfied with the results. As far as I know the future looks
brighter and I will do everything I can so efforts like this will grow and
grow and software like Web-ERP will become an everyday need. 

 

I am not the best php programmer, but I can do some coding and I am sure
that I will learn a lot here. I am always open to learn more and I am not
afraid of fixing mistakes of mine. Something I am good at is producing GUIs
that are small in size and have harmony and are pleasant to look at. I try
to keep it simple, as portable as I can and stable. I am used to produce
GUIs to Netscape/Mozilla/IE and compatible with Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

 

So that you get acquainted with what I can do: 

 

Programming Skills:

-----------------------------------------------------

C/C++ (mostly Console Borland C)

VB

HB++ (Palm)

Delphi

PHP

Javascript (Browser and PDF)

Some Java

Flash Actionscript

CSS

HTML

XML

XHTML

 

Graphic Skills

-----------------------------------------------------

Photoshop

Illustrator

Flash

Image treating/optimizing

 

Some DB Skills (Mostly MySQL, MsSQL, Oracle), lot of Hardware programming
(like routers, firewalls and so on)  and more computer skills that I do not
know if we can use in this project.

 

Sorry about the long email,

 

Thank you and best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

 

 


  _____  


From: web...@li...
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of
Daintrees
Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 03:52
To: web...@li...
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Rom,

 

The project is completely open and all input is greatly appreciated.

 

Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the sourceforge site

 

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=24138
<http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=24138&group_id=70949>
&group_id=70949

 

Consider yourself IN!

 

Thanks for joining in the fun!

 

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM

Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Hello All,

 

I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is romrp.

 

Please let me in! :D

 

Thank you and best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

RE: [Web-erp-developers] New Look

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Hello Steve and All,

 

*       I'm thinking that possibly you're working from the old interface.
Have you downloaded the most recent cvs?  By the way, if you haven't, they
seem to be having trouble with it for the last week.  You'll either have to
wait or 

*       maybe Phil has a copy that he could send.

 

Yes, I did this based on the download version of webERP. I did not join the
CVS efforts yet. Where should I start?

 

*       The graphics are very good.  The font on the menu is too small as it
displays on mine.  Do you mean to have the Selects in that Go To drop-down? 

 

Yes, it is quite small. I am still doing some work on it since there are 2
concerns in that part: 1) the description of the icons and 2) the
translation of it. I was thinking in maybe making the Modules Navigation a
pull down menu. I don't know. All inputs are welcome :D.

 

> Personally I'd like to drop the plus sign at the end of webERP as I think
any punctuation makes it difficult for people to catch onto and readily
communicate.  I believe a name that is represented the same everywhere and
without > anything that hinders remembering it quickly and long term means
it spreads quicker.  Especially in web searches, etc.  However, that's
Phil's call.  

 

I just copy the actual way you write down the logo. As you said it is Phil's
call. I just did a little redesign since "web" and "erp" are two different
word and in languages like mine (Brazilian Portuguese) it sounds like one
word. So it would be important, in my point of view (I can be wrong), to
show that it is 2 words. I agree about the identity thing. One cannot change
its name otherwise it looses it identity.

 

> I find these days that several of the erp vendors have gone with pastel
(calmer) shades as a color scheme.  In fact earth tones seem to be the
"norm".  Accpac has varying shades of soft browns, blues (some harder)and
greys > including their icons.  Great Plains uses soft to medium blues,
greys, browns and soft, sort of grey/green.  Navision is soft blues and
browns.  Possibly others may disagree.  Is it possible to reshade the
graphics into a pastel > color scheme?

 

I just copy and paste the icons in the interface. The green and orange makes
it more commercial now-a-days, but I do agree with you that the pastels are
more neutral and it is hard that people hates it. Who does not like pastels
can easily ignore it. But my idea is the following: with CSS it is easy to
change the main interface colors and we can do (as soon as we decide to use
the Everaldo icons and the he sends to me the vector version of his icons so
we can change the coloring on them) different versions of the icons for the
different themes. So we can have 10 different versions of the coloring of
the icons and much more combinations of the CSS schemes.

 

Best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:12 AM

Subject: [Web-erp-developers] New Look

 

Dear All,

 

I am designing a new look for the interface (I am doing the design job, so
please don't mind the graphics) and would like to know your opinion about
it:

 

http://www.primor.ind.br/i/weberp_01_18.08.2004.jpg

 

I kept all 3 navigations on it:

 

- The icons are the navigation between modules;

 

- The pull down menu is the navigation inside the modules (main menu and so
on)

 

- The items below are the same.

 

The interface is good for 800x600, but it is possible to do a "slim" version
that will fit in smaller screen widths.

 

Please let me know your input,

 

Best Regards,

 

Rom Perei

Re: [Web-erp-developers] cvs

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Good.  That newest copy you put in is the same as my "old" copy instead =
of their backup which was older.

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Daintrees=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] cvs


  Just committed the latest changes - now has the locale directory and =
the latest index.php session.inc and header.inc in it.

  Phil
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: skaill=20
    To: web...@li...=20
    Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:18 PM
    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] cvs


    Phil, I was just comparing an earlier version of the cvs to the =
latest I just downloaded.  Some things don't make sense

    1) PDFChequeListing on my older version has a date of 20040816 but =
the one I just downloaded from cvs is 20040315.  I think they only =
restored up to 20040815 because some other files have that date but I =
don't think any have a later date.

    2) PDFStockCheckComparison.  Same as 1.

    3) PrintCustTrans old dated 20040816 but new cvs is 20040815.

    4) SuppPaymentRun.  Same as 1.

    The newest file they seem to have in the newest cvs is 20040816 @ =
4am.  My Help.html.

    Now, I think I downloaded my "older" version on 20040816 so someone =
may even have newer files...

    Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] cvs

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

Just committed the latest changes - now has the locale directory and the =
latest index.php session.inc and header.inc in it.

Phil
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: skaill=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:18 PM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] cvs


  Phil, I was just comparing an earlier version of the cvs to the latest =
I just downloaded.  Some things don't make sense

  1) PDFChequeListing on my older version has a date of 20040816 but the =
one I just downloaded from cvs is 20040315.  I think they only restored =
up to 20040815 because some other files have that date but I don't think =
any have a later date.

  2) PDFStockCheckComparison.  Same as 1.

  3) PrintCustTrans old dated 20040816 but new cvs is 20040815.

  4) SuppPaymentRun.  Same as 1.

  The newest file they seem to have in the newest cvs is 20040816 @ 4am. =
 My Help.html.

  Now, I think I downloaded my "older" version on 20040816 so someone =
may even have newer files...

  Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] cvs

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

The most recent changes were SelectOrderItems.php - the new narrative by =
line and ConfirmDispatch_Invoice.php
If they have had to restore from backups there could be some date =
stamping issues?? I just dont know. I will re-commit now.

Phil
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: skaill=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:18 PM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] cvs


  Phil, I was just comparing an earlier version of the cvs to the latest =
I just downloaded.  Some things don't make sense

  1) PDFChequeListing on my older version has a date of 20040816 but the =
one I just downloaded from cvs is 20040315.  I think they only restored =
up to 20040815 because some other files have that date but I don't think =
any have a later date.

  2) PDFStockCheckComparison.  Same as 1.

  3) PrintCustTrans old dated 20040816 but new cvs is 20040815.

  4) SuppPaymentRun.  Same as 1.

  The newest file they seem to have in the newest cvs is 20040816 @ 4am. =
 My Help.html.

  Now, I think I downloaded my "older" version on 20040816 so someone =
may even have newer files...

  Steve

[Web-erp-developers] cvs

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Phil, I was just comparing an earlier version of the cvs to the latest I =
just downloaded.  Some things don't make sense

1) PDFChequeListing on my older version has a date of 20040816 but the =
one I just downloaded from cvs is 20040315.  I think they only restored =
up to 20040815 because some other files have that date but I don't think =
any have a later date.

2) PDFStockCheckComparison.  Same as 1.

3) PrintCustTrans old dated 20040816 but new cvs is 20040815.

4) SuppPaymentRun.  Same as 1.

The newest file they seem to have in the newest cvs is 20040816 @ 4am.  =
My Help.html.

Now, I think I downloaded my "older" version on 20040816 so someone may =
even have newer files...

Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Ok, will do in other search/list places too.  Any chance you could list =
all scripts that produce lists other than SelectCustomer, SelectProduct =
and SelectSupplier?

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Daintrees=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


  sounds good steve
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: skaill=20
    To: web...@li...=20
    Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 6:10 AM
    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


    Hi all,

    I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are =
more records from a search than you would want to display on a single =
page.  There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that =
says the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

    It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on =
Select Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  =
There are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to =
test I have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

    Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

    If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have =
searches/lists such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to =
put into the cvs.

    In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With =
and Contains Within radio buttons as well.

    Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

sounds good steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: skaill=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 6:10 AM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


  Hi all,

  I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are more =
records from a search than you would want to display on a single page.  =
There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that says =
the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

  It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on =
Select Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  =
There are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to =
test I have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

  Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

  If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have searches/lists =
such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to put into the =
cvs.

  In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With and =
Contains Within radio buttons as well.

  Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] CVS is back up

[Danie B. <br...@na...>]

THANKS WORKING AGAIN

On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 23:41, Phil Daintree wrote:

> ( 2004-08-20 10:03:14 - Project CVS Service )   pserver-based CVS access
> and ViewCVS access to repositories for projects starting with a, c, d,
> g, u, w, and x has been restored as of 2004-08-20. This completes our
> resolution of the 2004-08-12 hardware failure that impacted this
> service. No data has been lost in this hardware outage; data has been
> reloaded to this host from the developer CVS server. Developer CVS
> service access, and non-developer CVS services for all other project
> letters, was not impacted by this outage.
> 
> 
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Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging

[Stins, D. <DR...@Zi...>]

forget the third point. That's too much for webpages.

Dick
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: skaill=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


  I totally agree.  Sometime soon I would like to add a user preferences =
area and have the setting in there.  It would be loaded and stay in =
their session variable.  There should be a default of 100 the user gets =
when they are created.

  Will put in next and previous.  Not sure what you mean by third point =
since it sounds like second point and also don't understand about =
scroll.  There is a list of pages that will scroll when need be.

  Steve
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Stins, Dick=20
    To: web...@li...=20
    Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:43 PM
    Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


    Steve,=20

    This is excellent, but every user should be able to tell how many =
records he would like to see per page. I like 100 records per pages, =
because that prevents clicking lot's of buttons so it prevents rsi.

    Some other suggestions:
    - next page button
    - previous page button
    -  May be a next and previous record button too and able to scroll =
with cursor up and down.

    With best regards,

    Dick Stins
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: skaill=20
      To: web...@li...=20
      Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:10 PM
      Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


      Hi all,

      I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are =
more records from a search than you would want to display on a single =
page.  There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that =
says the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

      It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on =
Select Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  =
There are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to =
test I have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

      Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

      If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have =
searches/lists such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to =
put into the cvs.

      In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With =
and Contains Within radio buttons as well.

      Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

I didn't read correctly first time but now understand the last point.  =
Problem is that I can't extract one record each 100 effectively as far =
as I know.

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Stins, Dick=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


  Steve,=20

  This is excellent, but every user should be able to tell how many =
records he would like to see per page. I like 100 records per pages, =
because that prevents clicking lot's of buttons so it prevents rsi.

  Some other suggestions:
  - next page button
  - previous page button
  -  May be a next and previous record button too and able to scroll =
with cursor up and down.

  With best regards,

  Dick Stins
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: skaill=20
    To: web...@li...=20
    Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:10 PM
    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


    Hi all,

    I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are =
more records from a search than you would want to display on a single =
page.  There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that =
says the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

    It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on =
Select Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  =
There are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to =
test I have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

    Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

    If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have =
searches/lists such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to =
put into the cvs.

    In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With =
and Contains Within radio buttons as well.

    Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Next and Previous are in there now.

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Stins, Dick=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


  Steve,=20

  This is excellent, but every user should be able to tell how many =
records he would like to see per page. I like 100 records per pages, =
because that prevents clicking lot's of buttons so it prevents rsi.

  Some other suggestions:
  - next page button
  - previous page button
  -  May be a next and previous record button too and able to scroll =
with cursor up and down.

  With best regards,

  Dick Stins
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: skaill=20
    To: web...@li...=20
    Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:10 PM
    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


    Hi all,

    I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are =
more records from a search than you would want to display on a single =
page.  There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that =
says the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

    It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on =
Select Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  =
There are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to =
test I have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

    Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

    If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have =
searches/lists such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to =
put into the cvs.

    In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With =
and Contains Within radio buttons as well.

    Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

I totally agree.  Sometime soon I would like to add a user preferences =
area and have the setting in there.  It would be loaded and stay in =
their session variable.  There should be a default of 100 the user gets =
when they are created.

Will put in next and previous.  Not sure what you mean by third point =
since it sounds like second point and also don't understand about =
scroll.  There is a list of pages that will scroll when need be.

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Stins, Dick=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


  Steve,=20

  This is excellent, but every user should be able to tell how many =
records he would like to see per page. I like 100 records per pages, =
because that prevents clicking lot's of buttons so it prevents rsi.

  Some other suggestions:
  - next page button
  - previous page button
  -  May be a next and previous record button too and able to scroll =
with cursor up and down.

  With best regards,

  Dick Stins
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: skaill=20
    To: web...@li...=20
    Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:10 PM
    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


    Hi all,

    I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are =
more records from a search than you would want to display on a single =
page.  There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that =
says the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

    It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on =
Select Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  =
There are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to =
test I have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

    Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

    If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have =
searches/lists such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to =
put into the cvs.

    In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With =
and Contains Within radio buttons as well.

    Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Paging

[Stins, D. <DR...@Zi...>]

Steve,=20

This is excellent, but every user should be able to tell how many =
records he would like to see per page. I like 100 records per pages, =
because that prevents clicking lot's of buttons so it prevents rsi.

Some other suggestions:
- next page button
- previous page button
-  May be a next and previous record button too and able to scroll with =
cursor up and down.

With best regards,

Dick Stins
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: skaill=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:10 PM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Paging


  Hi all,

  I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are more =
records from a search than you would want to display on a single page.  =
There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that says =
the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

  It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on =
Select Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  =
There are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to =
test I have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

  Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

  If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have searches/lists =
such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to put into the =
cvs.

  In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With and =
Contains Within radio buttons as well.

  Steve

[Web-erp-developers] Paging

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Hi all,

I have created paging in my version of webERP for when there are more =
records from a search than you would want to display on a single page.  =
There is a new variable called $DisplayRecordsMax in config that says =
the maximum number of records per page and a drop-down allows the =
selection of the page.

It can be seen at http://weberp.gocom.ca/weberpcvstest.  Click on Select =
Customer then type "a" to search for all customers with an "a".  There =
are 9 "a" records so it puts them into 2 pages since right now to test I =
have the $DisplayRecordsMax set at 5.

Would this be good to have in the base webERP version?

If so, I will do similar code for other areas that have searches/lists =
such as Select Item and Select Supplier and send Phil to put into the =
cvs.

In the searches I'm thinking it would be nice to have Begins With and =
Contains Within radio buttons as well.

Steve

Re: [Web-erp-developers] design idea

[Stins, D. <DR...@Zi...>]

Dear all,

I agree with Phil:
"I really like the themes idea. This involves a new directory under the c=
ss
directory all you need to do is tell config.php the name of the new
directory (theme) under the css directory and the whole system changes
its look! We could even make this different for different users quite
easily."

Ofcourse we need to split the user interface code from the other code in =
a
gentle manor to prevent to have to update every theme when one sql is
modified or one field is added to a form.

With best regards,

Dick Stins

p.s. It's some color combination are ergonomic better then others. There =
are
also colors which are not able to see by some people (color blindness).
There has been a lot of scientific research at this, but be aware that no=
t
only colors on the screen interfere but also colors from external sources
like sunlight, colors in the room, ... That is why it would be nice when
people can choose their own theme.

May be is this a usefull link:
http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/ahtutorials/interface.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Daintree" <p.d...@pa...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] design idea


Rom,

Sorry its taken me a few days to comment on your design work.

This design looks great!

What is the intention with the GO TO selection box?

One point - design seems to have adopted the old horizontal format.
Steve's new design that I recently committed to the CVS is more vertical
than the old horizontal way - you may want to have a look at this - I
like the fact that we can get more links visible on the page with his
way. It makes good use of the whole screen - even works at 600x800.

I have had lectures from Steve about how the visual appeal is important
for marketing purposes and getting initial buy in from potential users
.... and since everyone will have different view on what looks good I
really like the themes idea. This involves a new directory under the css
directory all you need to do is tell config.php the name of the new
directory (theme) under the css directory and the whole system changes
its look! We could even make this different for different users quite
easily.

This may sound like me pouring cold water over your idea and I
desperately don't want to put you off contributing. Its not that your
design is not great... it is. However, I must say that I not keen to
re-invent the core GUI every couple of months. Re-working old scripts
always gives me the nasty negative feeling of "if only I'd done it this
way in the first place I wouldn't be wasting time doing it again" - GUI
re-invention seems like a never ending circle and I prefer to focus on
pushing out the accounting functionality.

Thats not to say that if we can extend the themes concept to allow a few
more bells and whistles ... then lets do it!

Perhaps we should get stuck into the multi-language stuff first then
revisit the GUI after that.

Phil

On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 17:32, Rom Pereira wrote:
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> It is 2:30 AM here=85 Quite late and the wife is sleeping already=85 Be=
st
> time to work huh?
>
>
>
> Well, I did some design=85 Hope you like=85
>
>
>
> Please let me know your input. All comments will be welcome.
>
>
>
> Thank you and Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Rom Pereira
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translation

[Stins, D. <DR...@Zi...>]

All,

I definitely would like to have a translation to Dutch, but I do not know
yet in which year I have some time left to do this. After the translation of
Dutch is done, then I might be able to help with French too but I need then
some help of my friends and/or my wife.

First priority is to be sure that webERP meets all functional requirements
that we need in The Netherlands.

I think you are doing an excellent job with designing the architecture for
translations.

It might be an option to integrate the database solution with gettext
solution with .po files by entering the translations in the database and
create a report which creates the .po files. You can then create separate
column for the shortcut and generate the right string inclusive html to the
.po file. This opens also the possibility to replace the .po file by a
database interface. It's probably a better userfriendly interface for end
users to be able to alter translations in the database.

I would like to thank you all for the support and joining the project and
adding your contributions. Last year there was only Phil. I was looking for
accounting software and joined this project because the basic concepts (no
overhead, very clean, runs almost everywhere through basic php and mysql),
lots of functionality and last but not least: Phil's energy ant time to get
it all done.

Now there is interests from all over the world! :)

With best regards,

Dick Stins
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Daintree" <p.d...@pa...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:39 PM
Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Translation


> Rom, Luca and the team,
>
> Luca, I hope you can forgive me in trying this gettext approach - I know
> you were keen on the db method - which I relaise definitely has some
> advantages.
>
> I have started down the track of the gettext method of translating
> webERP, it does seem to have a minimal impact on readability ... I
> think? Take a look at the code and see what you think -comments
> appreciated.
>
>
> It is also very easy to modify the existing scripts. All strings are
> just encapsulated in a call to the function _()
>
> _("Some string")
>
> there is a utility xgettext that extracts all the strings that are
> encapsulated in this way to a .po file which is the core translation
> file which has a msgid being the original text of the string and a
> msgstr being the translation of that string into the alternative
> language.In some strings there are bits of html mark up - which will
> have to be retained where possible eg. on the links to Main Menu - the
> string is
>
> "<u>M</u>ain Menu" indicating that the letter M is the shortcut using
> CTRL+M (followed by enter in IE) is the same as clicking the link. This
> may not be quite so useful in other languages.
>
> If Rom could edit this file to make the appropriate translation for
> Brazillian  Portugese that would enable me to prove the concept.
>
> Luca may also like to have a go at the Italian. Has it been 2 weeks yet
> - are you back Luca?
>
> The only downer is that there are at least another 160 scripts to go!!
>
> I am hoping there will be support from
>
> Rom (Brazillian/Portugese),
> Luca (Italian),
> Steve (French speaking Canadians?)
> not sure if Dick is interested in a Dutch version,
> not sure if Danie is interest in Africans (sp??)
> and me
>
> If we can divide the scripts up we could crack this quite quickly.
> However, the translation on its own will be a significant project and
> for that we can only rely on you clever bi-lingual folk.
>
> It does seem particularly great to have all the strings extracted nicely
> from the scripts using this xgettext function.
>
> If the same string (exactly the same) occurs more than once in the .po
> file you can delete the related msgid and msgstr of the subsequent
> occurrences since they will not be needed.
>
> I have attached the translation .po file as it stands (just for the
> index.php, header.inc and session.inc) and a copy of index.php as
> amended so you can see the minimal modifications required. The actual
> additional translation code I have put in session.inc as this is
> included in every script. The only other issue is that gettext must be
> compiled in to PHP or the gettext.dll option in php.ini under windows is
> uncommented. If gettext is not compiled in or the module activated then
> the system defaults to the original english string.
>
> One beauty of the approach is that the system cannot be broken this way
> since even if gettext isnt installed I have a default function that just
> returns the english string. This is one aspect that I really like
> because if I am left holding the baby - at least the system isn't
> trashed and I can just mark the whole multi-language thing off to
> experience.
>
> Men, with your support I think this will work!
>
> I think this is the minimal hassle route to multi-language webERP.
>
> If the concept proves ok then all that needs to be done is:
>
> 1. split up the scripts between us
> 2. encapsulate every string in _("????")
> 3. send them back to me
> 4. I create one large .po file
> 5. Send back to the translation team Rom, Luca, Dick? for translation
> 6. Send me back the translated .po files
> 7. I create the binary .pot files using the gettext utilities
>
> et voila! (the extent of my French!) Brazillian/Portugese, Italian,
> Dutch?, Africans? webERP!
>
> We could easily make an additional field for language in the user table
> to allow the users to all have different languages.
>
> In terms of ongoing maintenance the xgettext utlity allows only new
> strings not already in the main messages.po file to be extracted too so
> all the leg work is removed - each time a script is changed the small
> additional .po file is circulated to the translators and fired back into
> the main messages.po file for creating the new .pot binary.
>
> All thoughts and comments always appreciated.
>
> Phil
>

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translation

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

I think InfoCentral (in SourceForge) checks whether gettext is installed and
deals with it accordingly.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hani Naguib" <ha...@na...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translation


> Hi  Phil,
> One note, you don't really need gettext to be compiled with php (if it
> is great then use it because of the speed improvements) but if not there
> are simple php based gettext implementations.
> I thought someone had already posted a function that checked for that
> and acted accordingly.
> Although gettext is pre-compiled at most ISPs it does not come with the
> default php installers which is probably what people will be using when
> they first download weberp for evaluation.
>
> Hani
>
>
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Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translation

[Hani N. <ha...@na...>]

Hi  Phil,
One note, you don't really need gettext to be compiled with php (if it 
is great then use it because of the speed improvements) but if not there 
are simple php based gettext implementations.
I thought someone had already posted a function that checked for that 
and acted accordingly.
Although gettext is pre-compiled at most ISPs it does not come with the 
default php installers which is probably what people will be using when 
they first download weberp for evaluation.

Hani