web-erp-developers — Discussion on development of webERP

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translation

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Sounds great!

I can probably contribute a Danish translation in a few months.  French once
we get a demand for it since we will probably have to pay to get it done.
No, I'm not Danish but a partner is and we have connections there.

There are some very good translation programs out there that cover many
languages.  However, they don't do a perfect job so someone who knows the
language needs to look it over by comparing the English and translated
strings.  Hopefully those translation programs can handle a po file,
otherwise it would have to be converted to a format they handle and then
reassembled into a po.

May I suggest we each take on a few scripts at a time.  Once we're done them
then we can all do a few more, etc.  In this way someone will not be
modifying a huge number of scripts for an extended time and it's more
inspirational when each chunk gets completed quickly.  We could possibly do
by module or alphabet.

Might want to make a language field in the user, company and customer
tables.

Let me know which files I'm doing...

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Daintree" <p.d...@pa...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Translation


> Rom, Luca and the team,
>
> Luca, I hope you can forgive me in trying this gettext approach - I know
> you were keen on the db method - which I relaise definitely has some
> advantages.
>
> I have started down the track of the gettext method of translating
> webERP, it does seem to have a minimal impact on readability ... I
> think? Take a look at the code and see what you think -comments
> appreciated.
>
>
> It is also very easy to modify the existing scripts. All strings are
> just encapsulated in a call to the function _()
>
> _("Some string")
>
> there is a utility xgettext that extracts all the strings that are
> encapsulated in this way to a .po file which is the core translation
> file which has a msgid being the original text of the string and a
> msgstr being the translation of that string into the alternative
> language.In some strings there are bits of html mark up - which will
> have to be retained where possible eg. on the links to Main Menu - the
> string is
>
> "<u>M</u>ain Menu" indicating that the letter M is the shortcut using
> CTRL+M (followed by enter in IE) is the same as clicking the link. This
> may not be quite so useful in other languages.
>
> If Rom could edit this file to make the appropriate translation for
> Brazillian  Portugese that would enable me to prove the concept.
>
> Luca may also like to have a go at the Italian. Has it been 2 weeks yet
> - are you back Luca?
>
> The only downer is that there are at least another 160 scripts to go!!
>
> I am hoping there will be support from
>
> Rom (Brazillian/Portugese),
> Luca (Italian),
> Steve (French speaking Canadians?)
> not sure if Dick is interested in a Dutch version,
> not sure if Danie is interest in Africans (sp??)
> and me
>
> If we can divide the scripts up we could crack this quite quickly.
> However, the translation on its own will be a significant project and
> for that we can only rely on you clever bi-lingual folk.
>
> It does seem particularly great to have all the strings extracted nicely
> from the scripts using this xgettext function.
>
> If the same string (exactly the same) occurs more than once in the .po
> file you can delete the related msgid and msgstr of the subsequent
> occurrences since they will not be needed.
>
> I have attached the translation .po file as it stands (just for the
> index.php, header.inc and session.inc) and a copy of index.php as
> amended so you can see the minimal modifications required. The actual
> additional translation code I have put in session.inc as this is
> included in every script. The only other issue is that gettext must be
> compiled in to PHP or the gettext.dll option in php.ini under windows is
> uncommented. If gettext is not compiled in or the module activated then
> the system defaults to the original english string.
>
> One beauty of the approach is that the system cannot be broken this way
> since even if gettext isnt installed I have a default function that just
> returns the english string. This is one aspect that I really like
> because if I am left holding the baby - at least the system isn't
> trashed and I can just mark the whole multi-language thing off to
> experience.
>
> Men, with your support I think this will work!
>
> I think this is the minimal hassle route to multi-language webERP.
>
> If the concept proves ok then all that needs to be done is:
>
> 1. split up the scripts between us
> 2. encapsulate every string in _("????")
> 3. send them back to me
> 4. I create one large .po file
> 5. Send back to the translation team Rom, Luca, Dick? for translation
> 6. Send me back the translated .po files
> 7. I create the binary .pot files using the gettext utilities
>
> et voila! (the extent of my French!) Brazillian/Portugese, Italian,
> Dutch?, Africans? webERP!
>
> We could easily make an additional field for language in the user table
> to allow the users to all have different languages.
>
> In terms of ongoing maintenance the xgettext utlity allows only new
> strings not already in the main messages.po file to be extracted too so
> all the leg work is removed - each time a script is changed the small
> additional .po file is circulated to the translators and fired back into
> the main messages.po file for creating the new .pot binary.
>
> All thoughts and comments always appreciated.
>
> Phil
>

RE: [Web-erp-developers] Translations

[Phil D. <p.d...@pa...>]

Rom,

yes this would be particularly good.

I think it would be possible to create a script that periodically
updates the main .po file of the strings requiring translation.
I also think it would be possible for a web-site to allow a translato=
r
to select the language and the appropriate .po file could be parsed=
=20
into a web page with the strings translated available for
modification.That would then write the new translations back to an
amended .po file. I think you will see the possibilities when you see
the automatically created .po file of strings and referred to as msgi=
d
and the translations referred to as msgstr.

I dont think this would be too much of a mission either!

[Massively off topic ... Had a look at your web-site. Is your product
free from all non-organic fertiliser, insect sprays and chemicals ...=
 I
thought this resulted in low yields and bugs etc In NZ they call it
"organic" growing and it is trendy for those healthy clean living fol=
ks
although one has to pay quite a bit extra for fruit/veg that will not
pollute the body because of the difficulty in growing such produce.]

Phil

On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 05:02, Rom Pereira wrote:
> Dear Steve and All,
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> This project uses this very same gettext functionality:
> http://cattadoc.com/
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> =20
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> It is interesting, but to create the translated files is not as
> straight-forward as with a database interface, as they put in the
> page: http://cattadoc.com/translate.html, since it is needed to
> compile the file and everything.
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> =20
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> It would be nice if we could ally the advantages of the gettext
> functionality with a database interface straight-forwardness, like =
an
> online tool or something like it, where the user would make the
> translations in a database interface and get the result in a gettex=
t
> binary file.
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> =20
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> Please let me know your inputs and thank you for your reply,
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> =20
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> Rom Pereira
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> =20
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>                                   =20
> ___________________________________________________________________=
___
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> From:web...@li...
> [mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf O=
f
> skaill
> Sent: segunda-feira, 16 de agosto de 2004 13:37
> To: web...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translations
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> =20
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> Hi Rom,
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> =20
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> I was looking into the same thing with another SourceForge project
> called InfoCentral.  They use the built in gettext facility and the
> code and functions to do it are very understandable.  You may want =
to
> check that project out.
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> =20
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> The main part of the work will be finding every string in the progr=
am
> in order to put the gettext() function call around it.
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> =20
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> When using the gettext functionality, the language files are a
> specific format and there are tools available to more easily update
> and maintain the translations in the future.
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> =20
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> Steve
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>         ----- Original Message -----=20
>        =20
>        =20
>         From: Rom Pereira
>        =20
>        =20
>         To: web...@li...
>        =20
>        =20
>         Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:25 PM
>        =20
>        =20
>         Subject:[Web-erp-developers] Translations
>        =20
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>        =20
>         Dear Friends at Web-ERP Developers and Phil Daintree,
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         Recently I sent an email regarding translation to Brazilian
>         Portuguese. I received a prompt reply from Mr. Phil Daintre=
e
>         about the subject and I quote:
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         =B4There is work afoot to make it easier to translate the s=
ystem
>         such that when changes are implemented the translation work
>         will not need to be re-done.=A1
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         I use a CRM system from http://crm-ctt.sourceforge.net/ and=
 it
>         is pretty good. The way the created the translations system
>         works pretty well. Maybe we should study some system like t=
hat
>         to better understand how to create a good one. I am a PHP
>         programmer myself, far from an expert, but I can do some
>         programming. My intentions are to apply this ERP to my fami=
ly
>         company, Primor Doces e Caramelos Ltda.
>         (http://www.primor.ind.br). Something that I don=FFt unders=
tand
>         very well is the Company processes but I am willing to lear=
n.
>         Maybe I can be of more help. Please let me know.
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         =B4However, this is some way away. An Italian chap is start=
ing
>         work on this but we are discussing the best way to proceed.=
 If
>         you join the web-erp-developers list you can contribute to =
the
>         discussions.=A1
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         We can to an intermediate solution until we move to a bette=
r
>         approach to the ideal solution to the problem.
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         I do believe that ERP system should move from the hands of =
big
>         companies that make it so difficult to buy those systems
>         without wasting a lot of time and money.
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         I also own a copy of HB++, what is a programming language f=
or
>         palm platforms and I can help to create applications that
>         would link the both worlds.
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         Again let me know of how I can be of more help.
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         Thank you and Best Regards,
>        =20
>         =20
>        =20
>         Rom Pereira
>        =20
>=20

[Web-erp-developers] CVS is back up

[Phil D. <p.d...@pa...>]

( 2004-08-20 10:03:14 - Project CVS Service )   pserver-based CVS access
and ViewCVS access to repositories for projects starting with a, c, d,
g, u, w, and x has been restored as of 2004-08-20. This completes our
resolution of the 2004-08-12 hardware failure that impacted this
service. No data has been lost in this hardware outage; data has been
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service access, and non-developer CVS services for all other project
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[Web-erp-developers] Translation

[Phil D. <p.d...@pa...>]

Rom, Luca and the team,

Luca, I hope you can forgive me in trying this gettext approach - I know
you were keen on the db method - which I relaise definitely has some
advantages.

I have started down the track of the gettext method of translating
webERP, it does seem to have a minimal impact on readability ... I
think? Take a look at the code and see what you think -comments
appreciated.


It is also very easy to modify the existing scripts. All strings are
just encapsulated in a call to the function _()

_("Some string")

there is a utility xgettext that extracts all the strings that are
encapsulated in this way to a .po file which is the core translation
file which has a msgid being the original text of the string and a
msgstr being the translation of that string into the alternative
language.In some strings there are bits of html mark up - which will
have to be retained where possible eg. on the links to Main Menu - the
string is 

"<u>M</u>ain Menu" indicating that the letter M is the shortcut using
CTRL+M (followed by enter in IE) is the same as clicking the link. This
may not be quite so useful in other languages.

If Rom could edit this file to make the appropriate translation for
Brazillian  Portugese that would enable me to prove the concept.

Luca may also like to have a go at the Italian. Has it been 2 weeks yet
- are you back Luca?

The only downer is that there are at least another 160 scripts to go!!

I am hoping there will be support from 

Rom (Brazillian/Portugese),
Luca (Italian),
Steve (French speaking Canadians?)
not sure if Dick is interested in a Dutch version,
not sure if Danie is interest in Africans (sp??)
and me

If we can divide the scripts up we could crack this quite quickly.
However, the translation on its own will be a significant project and
for that we can only rely on you clever bi-lingual folk.

It does seem particularly great to have all the strings extracted nicely
from the scripts using this xgettext function.

If the same string (exactly the same) occurs more than once in the .po
file you can delete the related msgid and msgstr of the subsequent
occurrences since they will not be needed.

I have attached the translation .po file as it stands (just for the
index.php, header.inc and session.inc) and a copy of index.php as
amended so you can see the minimal modifications required. The actual
additional translation code I have put in session.inc as this is
included in every script. The only other issue is that gettext must be
compiled in to PHP or the gettext.dll option in php.ini under windows is
uncommented. If gettext is not compiled in or the module activated then
the system defaults to the original english string.

One beauty of the approach is that the system cannot be broken this way
since even if gettext isnt installed I have a default function that just
returns the english string. This is one aspect that I really like
because if I am left holding the baby - at least the system isn't
trashed and I can just mark the whole multi-language thing off to
experience.

Men, with your support I think this will work!

I think this is the minimal hassle route to multi-language webERP.

If the concept proves ok then all that needs to be done is:

1. split up the scripts between us 
2. encapsulate every string in _("????") 
3. send them back to me
4. I create one large .po file
5. Send back to the translation team Rom, Luca, Dick? for translation
6. Send me back the translated .po files
7. I create the binary .pot files using the gettext utilities

et voila! (the extent of my French!) Brazillian/Portugese, Italian,
Dutch?, Africans? webERP!

We could easily make an additional field for language in the user table
to allow the users to all have different languages.

In terms of ongoing maintenance the xgettext utlity allows only new
strings not already in the main messages.po file to be extracted too so
all the leg work is removed - each time a script is changed the small
additional .po file is circulated to the translators and fired back into
the main messages.po file for creating the new .pot binary.

All thoughts and comments always appreciated.

Phil

Re: [Web-erp-developers] design idea

[Phil D. <p.d...@pa...>]

Rom,

Sorry its taken me a few days to comment on your design work.

This design looks great!

What is the intention with the GO TO selection box?

One point - design seems to have adopted the old horizontal format.
Steve's new design that I recently committed to the CVS is more verti=
cal
than the old horizontal way - you may want to have a look at this - I
like the fact that we can get more links visible on the page with his
way. It makes good use of the whole screen - even works at 600x800.

I have had lectures from Steve about how the visual appeal is importa=
nt
for marketing purposes and getting initial buy in from potential user=
s
=2E... and since everyone will have different view on what looks good=
 I
really like the themes idea. This involves a new directory under the =
css
directory all you need to do is tell config.php the name of the new
directory (theme) under the css directory and the whole system change=
s
its look! We could even make this different for different users quite
easily.

This may sound like me pouring cold water over your idea and I
desperately don't want to put you off contributing. Its not that your
design is not great... it is. However, I must say that I not keen to
re-invent the core GUI every couple of months. Re-working old scripts
always gives me the nasty negative feeling of "if only I'd done it th=
is
way in the first place I wouldn't be wasting time doing it again" - G=
UI
re-invention seems like a never ending circle and I prefer to focus o=
n
pushing out the accounting functionality.

Thats not to say that if we can extend the themes concept to allow a =
few
more bells and whistles ... then lets do it!

Perhaps we should get stuck into the multi-language stuff first then
revisit the GUI after that.

Phil

On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 17:32, Rom Pereira wrote:
> Hello All,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> It is 2:30 AM here=85 Quite late and the wife is sleeping already=
=85 Best
> time to work huh?
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Well, I did some design=85 Hope you like=85
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Please let me know your input. All comments will be welcome.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Thank you and Best Regards,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Rom Pereira
>=20
> =20
>=20
> =20
>=20
>=20

Re: [Web-erp-developers] design idea

[Stins, D. <DR...@Zi...>]

Rom,=20

I guess that users will like this!=20

With best regards,

Dick Stins

p.s. Is your wife not complaining?
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:32 AM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] design idea


  Hello All,

  =20

  It is 2:30 AM here. Quite late and the wife is sleeping already. Best =
time to work huh?

  =20

  Well, I did some design. Hope you like.

  =20

  Please let me know your input. All comments will be welcome.

  =20

  Thank you and Best Regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

  =20

  =20

Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Hey, Phil, not true.  Just a different skill set.  A skill set more =
similar to mine than yours.  Except I don't have XML, Flash or Delphi =
experience.  I have some other experience though ;)

I can tell by the Borland C note that you are from my days, Rom!  Was =
Borland the best by far or what?!!

Steve

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Daintrees=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge


  You are WAY more knowledgable than me!

  Phil
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Rom Pereira=20
    To: web...@li...=20
    Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 AM
    Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge


    Dear Phil and All,

    =20

    Thank you for your welcome to the project.

    =20

    Although I agree with you that this is fun, I always try to spend my =
available time in something that can help others. And I know that a =
software like this would help a lot of small companies that are starting =
and do not have money to spent in expensive ERPs. As soon as we are done =
with the translation I will try to spread this all around. Here in the =
company we just adopted (unfortunately we are still using windows) =
OpenOffice.org and we are very satisfied with the results. As far as I =
know the future looks brighter and I will do everything I can so efforts =
like this will grow and grow and software like Web-ERP will become an =
everyday need.=20

    =20

    I am not the best php programmer, but I can do some coding and I am =
sure that I will learn a lot here. I am always open to learn more and I =
am not afraid of fixing mistakes of mine. Something I am good at is =
producing GUIs that are small in size and have harmony and are pleasant =
to look at. I try to keep it simple, as portable as I can and stable. I =
am used to produce GUIs to Netscape/Mozilla/IE and compatible with =
Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

    =20

    So that you get acquainted with what I can do:=20

    =20

    Programming Skills:

    -----------------------------------------------------

    C/C++ (mostly Console Borland C)

    VB

    HB++ (Palm)

    Delphi

    PHP

    Javascript (Browser and PDF)

    Some Java

    Flash Actionscript

    CSS

    HTML

    XML

    XHTML

    =20

    Graphic Skills

    -----------------------------------------------------

    Photoshop

    Illustrator

    Flash

    Image treating/optimizing

    =20

    Some DB Skills (Mostly MySQL, MsSQL, Oracle), lot of Hardware =
programming (like routers, firewalls and so on)  and more computer =
skills that I do not know if we can use in this project.

    =20

    Sorry about the long email,

    =20

    Thank you and best regards,

    =20

    Rom Pereira

    =20

    =20


-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---

    From: web...@li... =
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of =
Daintrees
    Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 03:52
    To: web...@li...
    Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

    =20

    Rom,

    =20

    The project is completely open and all input is greatly appreciated.

    =20

    Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the sourceforge =
site

    =20

    =
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D24138&group_id=3D70=
949

    =20

    Consider yourself IN!

    =20

    Thanks for joining in the fun!

    =20

    Phil

      ----- Original Message -----=20

      From: Rom Pereira=20

      To: web...@li...=20

      Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM

      Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

      =20

      Hello All,

      =20

      I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is =
romrp.

      =20

      Please let me in! :D

      =20

      Thank you and best regards,

      =20

      Rom Pereira

Re: [Web-erp-developers] New Look

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Hi Rom,

I'm thinking that possibly you're working from the old interface.  Have =
you downloaded the most recent cvs?  By the way, if you haven't, they =
seem to be having trouble with it for the last week.  You'll either have =
to wait or maybe Phil has a copy that he could send.

The graphics are very good.  The font on the menu is too small as it =
displays on mine.  Do you mean to have the Selects in that Go To =
drop-down? =20

Personally I'd like to drop the plus sign at the end of webERP as I =
think any punctuation makes it difficult for people to catch onto and =
readily communicate.  I believe a name that is represented the same =
everywhere and without anything that hinders remembering it quickly and =
long term means it spreads quicker.  Especially in web searches, etc.  =
However, that's Phil's call. =20

I find these days that several of the erp vendors have gone with pastel =
(calmer) shades as a color scheme.  In fact earth tones seem to be the =
"norm".  Accpac has varying shades of soft browns, blues (some =
harder)and greys including their icons.  Great Plains uses soft to =
medium blues, greys, browns and soft, sort of grey/green.  Navision is =
soft blues and browns.  Possibly others may disagree.  Is it possible to =
reshade the graphics into a pastel color scheme?

Steve

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:12 AM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] New Look


  Dear All,

  =20

  I am designing a new look for the interface (I am doing the design =
job, so please don't mind the graphics) and would like to know your =
opinion about it:

  =20

  http://www.primor.ind.br/i/weberp_01_18.08.2004.jpg

  =20

  I kept all 3 navigations on it:

  =20

  - The icons are the navigation between modules;

  =20

  - The pull down menu is the navigation inside the modules (main menu =
and so on)

  =20

  - The items below are the same.

  =20

  The interface is good for 800x600, but it is possible to do a "slim" =
version that will fit in smaller screen widths.

  =20

  Please let me know your input,

  =20

  Best Regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

You are WAY more knowledgable than me!

Phil
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 AM
  Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge


  Dear Phil and All,

  =20

  Thank you for your welcome to the project.

  =20

  Although I agree with you that this is fun, I always try to spend my =
available time in something that can help others. And I know that a =
software like this would help a lot of small companies that are starting =
and do not have money to spent in expensive ERPs. As soon as we are done =
with the translation I will try to spread this all around. Here in the =
company we just adopted (unfortunately we are still using windows) =
OpenOffice.org and we are very satisfied with the results. As far as I =
know the future looks brighter and I will do everything I can so efforts =
like this will grow and grow and software like Web-ERP will become an =
everyday need.=20

  =20

  I am not the best php programmer, but I can do some coding and I am =
sure that I will learn a lot here. I am always open to learn more and I =
am not afraid of fixing mistakes of mine. Something I am good at is =
producing GUIs that are small in size and have harmony and are pleasant =
to look at. I try to keep it simple, as portable as I can and stable. I =
am used to produce GUIs to Netscape/Mozilla/IE and compatible with =
Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

  =20

  So that you get acquainted with what I can do:=20

  =20

  Programming Skills:

  -----------------------------------------------------

  C/C++ (mostly Console Borland C)

  VB

  HB++ (Palm)

  Delphi

  PHP

  Javascript (Browser and PDF)

  Some Java

  Flash Actionscript

  CSS

  HTML

  XML

  XHTML

  =20

  Graphic Skills

  -----------------------------------------------------

  Photoshop

  Illustrator

  Flash

  Image treating/optimizing

  =20

  Some DB Skills (Mostly MySQL, MsSQL, Oracle), lot of Hardware =
programming (like routers, firewalls and so on)  and more computer =
skills that I do not know if we can use in this project.

  =20

  Sorry about the long email,

  =20

  Thank you and best regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

  =20

  =20


-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

  From: web...@li... =
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of =
Daintrees
  Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 03:52
  To: web...@li...
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

  =20

  Rom,

  =20

  The project is completely open and all input is greatly appreciated.

  =20

  Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the sourceforge =
site

  =20

  =
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D24138&group_id=3D70=
949

  =20

  Consider yourself IN!

  =20

  Thanks for joining in the fun!

  =20

  Phil

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Rom Pereira=20

    To: web...@li...=20

    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM

    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

    =20

    Hello All,

    =20

    I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is =
romrp.

    =20

    Please let me in! :D

    =20

    Thank you and best regards,

    =20

    Rom Pereira

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translations

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

> 
> Where are you at? Sounds like Florida to me...

Wellington New Zealand!

> 
> I used to leave in Florida, in Miami. The ocean is a passion of mine...
> 

Me too - mad keen windsurfer as a lad. Too old and too cold now.

Phil

[Web-erp-developers] Im Back!

[Phil D. <p.d...@pa...>]

I made the foolish error of attempting to install SuSE 9.1 kept hanging
on me so I'm back to 8.2 again!!

Lost a pile of email too MASSIVE time waster.

Anyway I am yet to re-install PHP and web-erp but I'm getting there!

Phil

Re: [Web-erp-developers] New LookRom,

[Chris B. <cb...@en...>]

Rom,

I'm diggin it.  I think it is pretty cool.  Nice work.

Chris




On Thursday 19 August 2004 07:12, Rom Pereira wrote:
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I am designing a new look for the interface (I am doing the design job, so
> please don't mind the graphics) and would like to know your opinion about
> it:
>
>
>
> http://www.primor.ind.br/i/weberp_01_18.08.2004.jpg
>
>
>
> I kept all 3 navigations on it:
>
>
>
> - The icons are the navigation between modules;
>
>
>
> - The pull down menu is the navigation inside the modules (main menu and so
> on)
>
>
>
> - The items below are the same.
>
>
>
> The interface is good for 800x600, but it is possible to do a "slim"
> version that will fit in smaller screen widths.
>
>
>
> Please let me know your input,
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Rom Pereira

[Web-erp-developers] New Look

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Dear All,

 

I am designing a new look for the interface (I am doing the design job, so
please don't mind the graphics) and would like to know your opinion about
it:

 

http://www.primor.ind.br/i/weberp_01_18.08.2004.jpg

 

I kept all 3 navigations on it:

 

- The icons are the navigation between modules;

 

- The pull down menu is the navigation inside the modules (main menu and so
on)

 

- The items below are the same.

 

The interface is good for 800x600, but it is possible to do a "slim" version
that will fit in smaller screen widths.

 

Please let me know your input,

 

Best Regards,

 

Rom Pereira

[Web-erp-developers] Unable to update from CVS

[Danie B. <br...@na...>]

Hi Phil and All

I've not been able to update for the last week. I am aware of the mail
you send letting us know there is a problem. However, from what I
understood, it would be fixed by now. Has anything changed in regards to
how we should access CVS now ?

Kind Regards
Danie Brink

[Web-erp-developers] icons - missing one link

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Hello,

 

I missed one link.

 

I apologize for all those emails.

 

Here is the correct list:

 

Crystal GT:

 

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-apps.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-actions.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-devices.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-fliesystems.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-mimetypes.html

 

Crystal SVG:

 

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-apps.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-actions.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-devices.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-fliesystems.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-mimetypes.html

 

Best Regards,

 

Rom Pereira

[Web-erp-developers] icons

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Hello All,

 

I am sending the links to the icons again in a more organized manner:

 

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-actions.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-devices.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-fliesystems.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-mimetypes.html

 

 

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-apps.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-actions.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-devices.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-fliesystems.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-mimetypes.html

 

Hope you like,

 

Rom Pereira

RE: [Web-erp-developers] New look and feel

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Hello all,

 

I just received and email from Everaldo, and he told me that we can use any
of the icons in the following links:

 

From the Crystal-GT Series: 

 

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-apps.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-actions.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-devices.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-fliesystems.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-gt-mimetypes.html

 

And from the Crystal-SVG Series:

 

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-apps.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-actions.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-devices.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-fliesystems.html

http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/crystal-svg-mimetypes.html

 

Please let me know if you like any. If we use It he asked us to add the link
to his site in the credits.

 

Rom Pereira

RE: [Web-erp-developers] Translations

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Hello Phil,

Where are you at? Sounds like Florida to me...

> Sounds lovely where you are - we have had 170km winds and floods and 4
> degrees C today.
> Also liked the look of those yacht charters!!

I used to leave in Florida, in Miami. The ocean is a passion of mine...

> Will have a drink to you tonight!

Great, Thank you!

Rom
>
> [Extremely Out of Topic]
>
> Good to know :) - a little bit about myself... Here in South Brazil =
this
> time of the year (it is winter here) is kind of cold, but today is =
very
hot.
> It would be nice to go to the beach or to take my boat through the =
winds
(I
> have a small 12 foot sailboat). I live in a beautiful island called
> Florian=F3polis, where in the summer the population gets three times =
bigger.
I
> am very fortunate because I had the opportunity to live in different
country
> (I lived in USA for 5 years) and as I work with sales in our family
company
> (http://www.primor.ind.br), 3 times per year I travel around the world =
to
> different countries (specially to Germany and Switzerland), but I =
never
been
> to the Mediterranean. Should be very nice... Someday I will take my =
family
> (me, wife and a daughter and a son on its way) to see the wonders all
> around. If I happen to be in your country one day, let's drink a beer =
and
> share some laughs :D
>
> [Back to the topic]
>
> Well, the DB approach is nice... But this gettext looks nicer, if we =
can
> have the files being created automatically, so we can control in some =
way
> the way the translations are done.
>
> > I think it is well known that my objection is to compromising the
> > readability of the code. Using gettext appears not to damage this =
too
> > badly.
> > It might be an idea if those developers who are keen to be a part of
this
> > effort put their hands up and once the approach is clear then divide =
and
> > conquor
>
> Good enough for me! Well documented code always save a lot of time in
> debugging / modifying.
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
> Rom Pereira
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Web-erp-developers] New look and feel

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Hello Phill and All,

 

> Sounds good Rom - also seems you know how mad I am on
efficiency/throughput/badwidth use.

 

Some people love to make you wait. I do not mind waiting for some flash to
load, but I hate web sites that they make you wait, because the menu or some
main navigation is tightened to the huge graphics that are loading or some
java application. There is a need to ally wonderful looks to efficiency and
speed in the GUIs.

 

> The recent facelift from Steve looks pretty good to me, but everyone likes
different things I guess.

 

> Have you got in mind a new theme ? 

 

Yeap. Let me get acquainted to the Web-ERP structure and I will propose
something. Let's see if I can join to Steve's expertise so we can try to
produce something even cooler ;)

 

The more choice the merrier in my book.

 

In mine too :-)

 

Phil

 

Best Regards,

 

Rom Pereira

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:33 AM

Subject: [Web-erp-developers] New look and feel

 

Hello All,

 

I was wondering, what do you think about redesigning some of the interface?
My brother happens to be a good designer (an example:
http://www.1800sailaway.com - he did the graphics and animations and I coded
it) and I was explaining to him about this project and he offered to help if
we desired so. Also a friend of his, Everaldo that is the designer of the
icons of KDE (http://www.everaldo.com <http://www.everaldo.com/> ), once
told me if I needed some Icons that he would do for me. So, what do you
think about doing some modifications to the appearance without loading it up
with images? I am also a freak about loading time, so it would be a very
light makeup J

 

Please let me know,

 

Best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Thank you Steve :D

 

Rom Pereira

 

  _____  

From: web...@li...
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of skaill
Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 09:19
To: web...@li...
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Good to have you on board Rom :)

 

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:06 AM

Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Dear Phil and All,

 

Thank you for your welcome to the project.

 

Although I agree with you that this is fun, I always try to spend my
available time in something that can help others. And I know that a software
like this would help a lot of small companies that are starting and do not
have money to spent in expensive ERPs. As soon as we are done with the
translation I will try to spread this all around. Here in the company we
just adopted (unfortunately we are still using windows) OpenOffice.org and
we are very satisfied with the results. As far as I know the future looks
brighter and I will do everything I can so efforts like this will grow and
grow and software like Web-ERP will become an everyday need. 

 

I am not the best php programmer, but I can do some coding and I am sure
that I will learn a lot here. I am always open to learn more and I am not
afraid of fixing mistakes of mine. Something I am good at is producing GUIs
that are small in size and have harmony and are pleasant to look at. I try
to keep it simple, as portable as I can and stable. I am used to produce
GUIs to Netscape/Mozilla/IE and compatible with Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

 

So that you get acquainted with what I can do: 

 

Programming Skills:

-----------------------------------------------------

C/C++ (mostly Console Borland C)

VB

HB++ (Palm)

Delphi

PHP

Javascript (Browser and PDF)

Some Java

Flash Actionscript

CSS

HTML

XML

XHTML

 

Graphic Skills

-----------------------------------------------------

Photoshop

Illustrator

Flash

Image treating/optimizing

 

Some DB Skills (Mostly MySQL, MsSQL, Oracle), lot of Hardware programming
(like routers, firewalls and so on)  and more computer skills that I do not
know if we can use in this project.

 

Sorry about the long email,

 

Thank you and best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

 

 


  _____  


From: web...@li...
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of
Daintrees
Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 03:52
To: web...@li...
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Rom,

 

The project is completely open and all input is greatly appreciated.

 

Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the sourceforge site

 

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=24138
<http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=24138&group_id=70949>
&group_id=70949

 

Consider yourself IN!

 

Thanks for joining in the fun!

 

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM

Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Hello All,

 

I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is romrp.

 

Please let me in! :D

 

Thank you and best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Good to have you on board Rom :)

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:06 AM
  Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge


  Dear Phil and All,

  =20

  Thank you for your welcome to the project.

  =20

  Although I agree with you that this is fun, I always try to spend my =
available time in something that can help others. And I know that a =
software like this would help a lot of small companies that are starting =
and do not have money to spent in expensive ERPs. As soon as we are done =
with the translation I will try to spread this all around. Here in the =
company we just adopted (unfortunately we are still using windows) =
OpenOffice.org and we are very satisfied with the results. As far as I =
know the future looks brighter and I will do everything I can so efforts =
like this will grow and grow and software like Web-ERP will become an =
everyday need.=20

  =20

  I am not the best php programmer, but I can do some coding and I am =
sure that I will learn a lot here. I am always open to learn more and I =
am not afraid of fixing mistakes of mine. Something I am good at is =
producing GUIs that are small in size and have harmony and are pleasant =
to look at. I try to keep it simple, as portable as I can and stable. I =
am used to produce GUIs to Netscape/Mozilla/IE and compatible with =
Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

  =20

  So that you get acquainted with what I can do:=20

  =20

  Programming Skills:

  -----------------------------------------------------

  C/C++ (mostly Console Borland C)

  VB

  HB++ (Palm)

  Delphi

  PHP

  Javascript (Browser and PDF)

  Some Java

  Flash Actionscript

  CSS

  HTML

  XML

  XHTML

  =20

  Graphic Skills

  -----------------------------------------------------

  Photoshop

  Illustrator

  Flash

  Image treating/optimizing

  =20

  Some DB Skills (Mostly MySQL, MsSQL, Oracle), lot of Hardware =
programming (like routers, firewalls and so on)  and more computer =
skills that I do not know if we can use in this project.

  =20

  Sorry about the long email,

  =20

  Thank you and best regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

  =20

  =20


-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

  From: web...@li... =
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of =
Daintrees
  Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 03:52
  To: web...@li...
  Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at =
sourceforge

  =20

  Rom,

  =20

  The project is completely open and all input is greatly appreciated.

  =20

  Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the sourceforge =
site

  =20

  =
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D24138&group_id=3D70=
949

  =20

  Consider yourself IN!

  =20

  Thanks for joining in the fun!

  =20

  Phil

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Rom Pereira=20

    To: web...@li...=20

    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM

    Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

    =20

    Hello All,

    =20

    I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is =
romrp.

    =20

    Please let me in! :D

    =20

    Thank you and best regards,

    =20

    Rom Pereira

RE: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[Rom P. <ro...@pr...>]

Dear Phil and All,

 

Thank you for your welcome to the project.

 

Although I agree with you that this is fun, I always try to spend my
available time in something that can help others. And I know that a software
like this would help a lot of small companies that are starting and do not
have money to spent in expensive ERPs. As soon as we are done with the
translation I will try to spread this all around. Here in the company we
just adopted (unfortunately we are still using windows) OpenOffice.org and
we are very satisfied with the results. As far as I know the future looks
brighter and I will do everything I can so efforts like this will grow and
grow and software like Web-ERP will become an everyday need. 

 

I am not the best php programmer, but I can do some coding and I am sure
that I will learn a lot here. I am always open to learn more and I am not
afraid of fixing mistakes of mine. Something I am good at is producing GUIs
that are small in size and have harmony and are pleasant to look at. I try
to keep it simple, as portable as I can and stable. I am used to produce
GUIs to Netscape/Mozilla/IE and compatible with Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

 

So that you get acquainted with what I can do: 

 

Programming Skills:

-----------------------------------------------------

C/C++ (mostly Console Borland C)

VB

HB++ (Palm)

Delphi

PHP

Javascript (Browser and PDF)

Some Java

Flash Actionscript

CSS

HTML

XML

XHTML

 

Graphic Skills

-----------------------------------------------------

Photoshop

Illustrator

Flash

Image treating/optimizing

 

Some DB Skills (Mostly MySQL, MsSQL, Oracle), lot of Hardware programming
(like routers, firewalls and so on)  and more computer skills that I do not
know if we can use in this project.

 

Sorry about the long email,

 

Thank you and best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

 

 

  _____  

From: web...@li...
[mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of
Daintrees
Sent: quarta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2004 03:52
To: web...@li...
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Rom,

 

The project is completely open and all input is greatly appreciated.

 

Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the sourceforge site

 

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=24138
<http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=24138&group_id=70949>
&group_id=70949

 

Consider yourself IN!

 

Thanks for joining in the fun!

 

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rom Pereira <mailto:ro...@pr...>  

To: web...@li... 

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM

Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

 

Hello All,

 

I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is romrp.

 

Please let me in! :D

 

Thank you and best regards,

 

Rom Pereira

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translations

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

Rom,

Sounds lovely where you are - we have had 170km winds and floods and =
4
degrees C today.
Also liked the look of those yacht charters!!

Will have a drink to you tonight!

Phil
>
> [Extremely Out of Topic]
>
> Good to know :) - a little bit about myself... Here in South Brazil=
 this
> time of the year (it is winter here) is kind of cold, but today is =
very
hot.
> It would be nice to go to the beach or to take my boat through the =
winds
(I
> have a small 12 foot sailboat). I live in a beautiful island called
> Florian=F3polis, where in the summer the population gets three time=
s bigger.
I
> am very fortunate because I had the opportunity to live in differen=
t
country
> (I lived in USA for 5 years) and as I work with sales in our family
company
> (http://www.primor.ind.br), 3 times per year I travel around the wo=
rld to
> different countries (specially to Germany and Switzerland), but I n=
ever
been
> to the Mediterranean. Should be very nice... Someday I will take my=
 family
> (me, wife and a daughter and a son on its way) to see the wonders a=
ll
> around. If I happen to be in your country one day, let's drink a be=
er and
> share some laughs :D
>
> [Back to the topic]
>
> Well, the DB approach is nice... But this gettext looks nicer, if w=
e can
> have the files being created automatically, so we can control in so=
me way
> the way the translations are done.
>
> > I think it is well known that my objection is to compromising the
> > readability of the code. Using gettext appears not to damage this=
 too
> > badly.
> > It might be an idea if those developers who are keen to be a part=
 of
this
> > effort put their hands up and once the approach is clear then div=
ide and
> > conquor
>
> Good enough for me! Well documented code always save a lot of time =
in
> debugging / modifying.
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
> Rom Pereira
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Web-erp-developers] New look and feel

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

Sounds good Rom - also seems you know how mad I am on =
efficiency/throughput/badwidth use.

The recent facelift from Steve looks pretty good to me, but everyone =
likes different things I guess.

Have you got in mind a new theme ?=20

The more choice the merrier in my book.

Phil
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:33 AM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] New look and feel


  Hello All,

  =20

  I was wondering, what do you think about redesigning some of the =
interface? My brother happens to be a good designer (an example: =
http://www.1800sailaway.com - he did the graphics and animations and I =
coded it) and I was explaining to him about this project and he offered =
to help if we desired so. Also a friend of his, Everaldo that is the =
designer of the icons of KDE (http://www.everaldo.com), once told me if =
I needed some Icons that he would do for me. So, what do you think about =
doing some modifications to the appearance without loading it up with =
images? I am also a freak about loading time, so it would be a very =
light makeup J

  =20

  Please let me know,

  =20

  Best regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira

Re: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge

[Daintrees <p.d...@pa...>]

Rom,

The project is completely open and all input is greatly appreciated.

Contributions guidelines are in the docs section of the sourceforge site

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D24138&group_id=3D70=
949

Consider yourself IN!

Thanks for joining in the fun!

Phil
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rom Pereira=20
  To: web...@li...=20
  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:15 AM
  Subject: [Web-erp-developers] how to join the project at sourceforge


  Hello All,

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  I would like to join the project at source forge. My user id is romrp.

  =20

  Please let me in! :D

  =20

  Thank you and best regards,

  =20

  Rom Pereira