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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-02-13 13:49:01
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Vim :Help shows the following TOC. I marked 'Chinese' on those parts that should be translated into Chinese, and 'Optional' on those parts that are worth translation if we have rich resources. Under the line where I marked 'Maximum cut', I just cannot imagine any team would be able to accomplish that much on voluntary basis. I absolutely aggree with Lang2 that we must finish up the User Manual as soon as possible, so that we can make a release announcement and hear some feedback from the user community. We'll decide whether or not continue with parts of Ref manual based upon the feedback. Basic (Chinese) User Manual (Chinese) --------------------------- Best cut here ------- Reference Manual General Subjects (Optional) Basic editing (Optional) Advanced editing (Optional) ---------------------------- Maximum cut here ---- Special issues ( Don't touch it ) GUI ( Don't touch it ) Interfaces ( Don't touch it ) Versions ( Don't touch it ) Remarks about specific systems ( Don't touch it ) Standard plug-ins ( Don't touch it ) --- lang2 <wzh...@po...> wrote: > Hi all, > > It has all gone very quiet these days with C.Y gone > and > wandys nowhere to be found and .. I've been lazy > myself. > > OK. For the foreesable future developement of this > project, > I think we should concentrate on getting those > usr_??.txt > finished _and polished_. We've gone to 41 so far and > snoopy > is taking on usr_45.txt. We are not far from this > goal. Our > last release was 0.1, which was dated last december. > Next > release will be when we finish these files. > > For myself, I will be finishing the 41.txt and > review the > existing documents. > > All the best. > > > lang2 > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Vimcdoc-translate mailing list > Vim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vimcdoc-translate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-02-13 10:56:11
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Hi all, It has all gone very quiet these days with C.Y gone and wandys nowhere to be found and .. I've been lazy myself. OK. For the foreesable future developement of this project, I think we should concentrate on getting those usr_??.txt finished _and polished_. We've gone to 41 so far and snoopy is taking on usr_45.txt. We are not far from this goal. Our last release was 0.1, which was dated last december. Next release will be when we finish these files. For myself, I will be finishing the 41.txt and review the existing documents. All the best. lang2 |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-02-10 09:57:17
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> hi all: > > Happy new year! Thanks, > BTW,I'll take usr_45.txt if no one has taken it. Yeah. It is free. Could you check it in? |
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From: <bla...@ms...> - 2003-02-10 04:10:40
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hi all: Happy new year! I come back again. I'm sorry to hear that we loose C.Y in the new year . He is an excellent member in our team and has done a lot of hard work . Good luck,C.Y ! Thanks lang2 to review and update usr_25.txt ,by reason of the fool mistakes I have made , lang2 has to spend more time to check my punk work . I have a guilty conscience . BTW,I'll take usr_45.txt if no one has taken it. Rgds snoopy _________________________________________________________________ 享用世界上最大的电子邮件系统― MSN Hotmail。 http://www.hotmail.com |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-29 11:24:08
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> > Of couse not. Actually I really enjoy working with > you. You have my very high respect. Likewise. > > See you at Linuxforum! See you. |
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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-01-29 10:55:20
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> > I hope it wasn't my e-mail that pushed you away from > us. ;) > Only joking. I thought this would come anyway. Of couse not. Actually I really enjoy working with you. You have my very high respect. > That suggestion sounds great. I saw you post > already. > Maybe you can re-post that to a top-thread? > I already did. I plan to further develop my point as why we need it and what we can achieve from it. Hope David also share the view with us. > Best of luck to you. > See you at Linuxforum! CY __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-29 10:06:36
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C. Y. I hope it wasn't my e-mail that pushed you away from us. ;) Only joking. I thought this would come anyway. Well it is really a pity to loose one of our most pctive/productive member. But I can understand. It can be hair-pulling some time. I think even Linus himself can't "have fun" all the time. That suggestion sounds great. I saw you post already. Maybe you can re-post that to a top-thread? Best of luck to you. lang2, On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) chimin yen <ych...@ya...> wrote: > Makes sense. I'll keep it in mind. > > > PS. I've completed 8 chapters so far, all in "Editing > Effectively" section of user's manual. The work has > taken up all my spare time in the last two months or > so. After the Spring Festival, I'll be busy with other > projects, therefore, I'm afraid of being unable to > go any further with vimcdoc. However, correction > and revision of those 8 chapters will be still my > resposibility. > > Translation is sometimes interesting, and other times > painful. When stucked somewhere in the text, one would > wish to have a public forum to discuss issues, > exchange > ideas, and help each other. I recently found a place > from Linuxforum, that is the old CMAN Page board, > which has been quiet for a long time. Why don't we > suggest David to make it more general board for doc > translation. I know there are other teams on other doc > translation. Those people, including us, all need a > place to get together. Well, just my wish. > > Best wishes to all of you > during this warm Spring Festival season! > > Vimcdoc project will always be my best memory. > > C.Y. > |
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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-01-28 18:19:12
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Makes sense. I'll keep it in mind. PS. I've completed 8 chapters so far, all in "Editing Effectively" section of user's manual. The work has taken up all my spare time in the last two months or so. After the Spring Festival, I'll be busy with other projects, therefore, I'm afraid of being unable to go any further with vimcdoc. However, correction and revision of those 8 chapters will be still my resposibility. Translation is sometimes interesting, and other times painful. When stucked somewhere in the text, one would wish to have a public forum to discuss issues, exchange ideas, and help each other. I recently found a place from Linuxforum, that is the old CMAN Page board, which has been quiet for a long time. Why don't we suggest David to make it more general board for doc translation. I know there are other teams on other doc translation. Those people, including us, all need a place to get together. Well, just my wish. Best wishes to all of you during this warm Spring Festival season! Vimcdoc project will always be my best memory. C.Y. CY --- lang2 <wzh...@po...> wrote: > CY, > > I've noticed that you checked in some files. Since > the > cvs log message said 'comepleted' and they were > already > 'completed.', I had to go 'cvs diff' them to see the > > changes. Could I ask you in the future to be more > explicit > in cvs log messages? > > Thanks, > > lang2 > > > ps. This mail is intentionally sent to the mailing > list > in case someone else were about to do something > similiar. > So don't complain about the spam! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: > SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = > Something 2 See! > http://www.vasoftware.com > _______________________________________________ > Vimcdoc-translate mailing list > Vim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vimcdoc-translate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-28 17:19:09
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CY, I've noticed that you checked in some files. Since the cvs log message said 'comepleted' and they were already 'completed.', I had to go 'cvs diff' them to see the changes. Could I ask you in the future to be more explicit in cvs log messages? Thanks, lang2 ps. This mail is intentionally sent to the mailing list in case someone else were about to do something similiar. So don't complain about the spam! |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-28 11:07:10
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A very happy Spring Festval to you all! Rgds, lang2 |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-24 16:06:20
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> > To be realistic, Chinese puncs don't look as good as > English ones. Of course it doesn't look good with English text. But it is OK with Chinese characters. > > It is editor's responsibility to add a space after > every punctuation. I don't see why this is a problem. It is too easily forgotten and it is just simpler to use the Chinese ones which take two spaces anyway. In fairnesss, don't ask me to change this rule again. :( |
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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-01-24 15:43:06
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--- lang2 <wzh...@po...> wrote: > > I was a supporter of english ones myself. But then > again, > as wandys said, we are writing in Chinese after all. To be realistic, Chinese puncs don't look as good as English ones. > And > what concerns me more is that the Enlish ones > weren't > properly used. Too often is the space after ',' and > '.' > forgotten and make the text really hard to read. So It is editor's responsibility to add a space after every punctuation. I don't see why this is a problem. > I'd > go with Chinese ones. But don't use them excesively. > > > lang2 > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: > SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = > Something 2 See! > http://www.vasoftware.com > _______________________________________________ > Vimcdoc-translate mailing list > Vim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vimcdoc-translate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-24 13:34:54
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> On some issues, however, > you're > not decisive enough That is the impression I wanted to make. ;-) > , e.g. punctuation. (I used English > puncs for all based upon (1) Chinese puncs often > messed > up the text, (2) I could use the origial puncs, and > (3) English puncs look better than Chinese ones, > strange, eh? ) I was a supporter of english ones myself. But then again, as wandys said, we are writing in Chinese after all. And what concerns me more is that the Enlish ones weren't properly used. Too often is the space after ',' and '.' forgotten and make the text really hard to read. So I'd go with Chinese ones. But don't use them excesively. lang2 |
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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-01-24 12:39:48
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Yes, agree. --- lang2 <wzh...@po...> wrote: > Hi YC, > > I've made the changes proposed here together with my > comments. > > One thing I don't agree though: > > > > Other stuff: > > > > At top "For Vim version 6.1." --- Vim °æ±¾ 6.1 > (We > > follow the way of usr_01) > > No really. That will break the syntax hilighting of > Vim online documents. So I'd leave it alone. Anyone > should know what 'For' and 'version' mean anyway. > > > > Line 236 -- TABSTOP ------- maybe ÖƱíλ ? > > Added to dict.txt. > > > Overall, Good Job!!! > > Yes. It was pretty good actually. > :) > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: > SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = > Something 2 See! > http://www.vasoftware.com > _______________________________________________ > Vimcdoc-translate mailing list > Vim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vimcdoc-translate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com |
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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-01-24 12:29:36
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Agree. You're our Editor-in-Chief and the only person to make final decision. On some issues, however, you're not decisive enough, e.g. punctuation. (I used English puncs for all based upon (1) Chinese puncs often messed up the text, (2) I could use the origial puncs, and (3) English puncs look better than Chinase ones, strange, eh? ) > I'd rather have no translation than > have a bad one. Well said!!! Make this manual popular in vim user community, make our work some real value, make all of us remembered by vim users. --- lang2 <wzh...@po...> wrote: > Hi all, > > After reviewing and updating 'usr_25.txt', I have a > few > thoughts that I want to share. > > 1. I had been less active for a while, thus, leaving > the > guide.txt and dict.txt outdated. Some of the > guidelines > we agreed on wasn't reflected in that file. That led > to > a lot of re-work. (E.g I spend a lot of time > changing english ',' into chinese ones.) I apologize > for that. > > 2. Still, not all the rules are followed. So I'd > much > appreciate it if we all keep an eye on update of the > > guide.txt (cvs diff guides.txt) and follow/make > suggestion > to it. > > 3. I found out that review is rather necessary. We > should > keep on doing this. It is vital for us to make the > translation correct. I'd rather have no translation > than > have a bad one. I will go through all the usr_*txt > myself. > If you feel like go 'picky' for a little while, > review > some of the files. > > 4. When you finished a file, don't rush to claim it > is done. > Please read it through at least once to see if there > is > anything obvious, like missing a line or two, typo, > etc. > > OK. I guess at this stage you all had enough of me > bitching. > So let me stop here. > > As always, any comments, discussion more than > welcomed. > > > Rgds, > > > lang2 > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: > SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = > Something 2 See! > http://www.vasoftware.com > _______________________________________________ > Vimcdoc-translate mailing list > Vim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vimcdoc-translate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-24 10:30:26
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Hi all, After reviewing and updating 'usr_25.txt', I have a few thoughts that I want to share. 1. I had been less active for a while, thus, leaving the guide.txt and dict.txt outdated. Some of the guidelines we agreed on wasn't reflected in that file. That led to a lot of re-work. (E.g I spend a lot of time changing english ',' into chinese ones.) I apologize for that. 2. Still, not all the rules are followed. So I'd much appreciate it if we all keep an eye on update of the guide.txt (cvs diff guides.txt) and follow/make suggestion to it. 3. I found out that review is rather necessary. We should keep on doing this. It is vital for us to make the translation correct. I'd rather have no translation than have a bad one. I will go through all the usr_*txt myself. If you feel like go 'picky' for a little while, review some of the files. 4. When you finished a file, don't rush to claim it is done. Please read it through at least once to see if there is anything obvious, like missing a line or two, typo, etc. OK. I guess at this stage you all had enough of me bitching. So let me stop here. As always, any comments, discussion more than welcomed. Rgds, lang2 |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-24 10:17:54
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Hi YC, I've made the changes proposed here together with my comments. One thing I don't agree though: > > Other stuff: > > At top "For Vim version 6.1." --- Vim °æ±¾ 6.1 (We > follow the way of usr_01) No really. That will break the syntax hilighting of Vim online documents. So I'd leave it alone. Anyone should know what 'For' and 'version' mean anyway. > > Line 236 -- TABSTOP ------- maybe ÖƱíλ ? Added to dict.txt. > Overall, Good Job!!! Yes. It was pretty good actually. :) |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-23 11:34:42
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Hi all, Maybe you have noticed already. I've checked in a few updated documents, incluinding README, INSTALL, etc. I'd like you to read them, especially guide.txt. Please try to stick with the rules therein. These rules are agreed upon by most of the developers and will make the output look alike. Of course, there could be something silly in those documents as well. Please raise your comments for future improvement. Rgds, lang2 |
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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-01-22 12:53:36
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Some comments on usr_25.
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Äã¿ÉÒԲ鿴¸ÃÎļþÒÔ»ñµÃ½øÒ»²½µÄ½âÊÍ˵Ã÷.To go there,
do "gf" on this name:
$VIMRUNTIME/macros/justify.vim.
Original Line 200
Look in the file for more explanations. To go
there, do "gf" on this name:
$VIMRUNTIME/macros/justify.vim.
For your reference:
Çë²éÔĸÃÎļþÒÔ»ñÈ¡¸üÏêϸ½âÊÍ. ÔÚÎļþÃû
$VIMRUNTIME/macros/justify.vim ÉÏ,
¼üÈëÃüÁî "gf", ¾Í¿ÉÒÔ´ò¿ª¸ÃÎļþ.
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Your Line 502
µ±ÄãÐèÒªÌæ»»¶àÓÚÒ»¸ö×Ö·ûʱ,ʹÓà "R"
ÃüÁîÀ´½øÈëÌ滻ģʽ(²Î¿´ |04.9|). This
messes up the layout ²¢ÇÒÌæ»»´íÎóµÄ×Ö·û:
Original Line 549
When you need to replace more than one character,
you use the "R" command
to go to replace mode (see |04.9|). This messes up
the layout and replaces
the wrong characters:
For your reference:
µ±ÄãÐèÒªÌæ»»Ò»¸öÒÔÉÏ×Ö·ûʱ, ÄãʹÓÃÃüÁî "R"
½øÈëÌ滻ģʽ (²Î¼û |04.9|). Õâ
ÑùÒ»À´, ÔÀ´µÄ°æÃæÂÒÌ×ÁË, ¶øÇÒÌæ»»Á˲»¸Ã»»µÄ×Ö·û.
----------------------------------------------------
Other stuff:
At top "For Vim version 6.1." --- Vim °æ±¾ 6.1 (We
follow the way of usr_01)
Date stamp 2002 ¶þÔÂ 24 ------ 2002Äê2ÔÂ24ÈÕ
Several "Note" ------ ×¢Òâ
At bottom "Copyright" ------- °æȨ
space after punctuation. e.g. "²Ù×÷.µ±È»,Õë¶Ô" ------
"²Ù×÷. µ±È», Õë¶Ô"
And -------------------------- Óõ½"gq"²Ù×÷·û ------
Óõ½ "gq" ²Ù×÷·û
Keep the original empty line after section title. e.g.
*25.1*
VimÓÐһϵÁй¦ÄÜ¿ÉÒÔʹ´¦ÀíÎı¾
(need a line in between.)
Line 207 -- Ôö¼ÓËõ½ø: ------ No colon :
Line 236 -- TABSTOP ------- maybe ÖƱíλ ?
Line 234 --- All lines in Note need to be aligned.
Note:
Ò²ÐíÄãÒѾ°Ñ 'tabstop'Ñ¡ÏîÉèÖÃΪ4.
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From: <bla...@ms...> - 2003-01-22 09:59:57
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>I noticed in your cvs log, you said >'a few sentences and words troubled me are not tanslated ,open to suggestion.' >which is nice but could easily be ignored since not every >one read these log. So in the future, you may ask questions >in this mailing list if you come across problems. That is >what this ML is for really. > > thanks a lot for your caution. I'll do my work this way next time. snoopyxp _________________________________________________________________ 与联机的朋友进行交流，请使用 MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-22 09:37:44
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> I have commited usr_25.txt . Good work. > Does somebody check it ? Good point. At the very beginning of the project, we wen through several reivew. But soon that procedure is dropped. I think I will agree with CY on getting usr_??.txt right. So it would be nice if we can spend some time on reviewing these files. I will do yours soon. > Open to suggestion. I noticed in your cvs log, you said 'a few sentences and words troubled me are not tanslated ,open to suggestion.' which is nice but could easily be ignored since not every one read these log. So in the future, you may ask questions in this mailing list if you come across problems. That is what this ML is for really. |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-22 09:28:17
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> > ¸ø´ó¼Ò°Ý¸öÔçÄê,×£´ó¼ÒÐÂÄê¿ìÀÖ,ÍòÊÂÈçÒâ! The same to you. Enjoy your holiday. |
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From: lang2 <wzh...@po...> - 2003-01-22 09:27:20
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Well done Cy. Thanks I am trying to hack a perl script for the online version. Hopefully it won't take long. On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) chimin yen <ych...@ya...> wrote: > usr-27 completed. > I'll take one more, usr_28. > > CY > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! > Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. > Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. > www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp > _______________________________________________ > Vimcdoc-translate mailing list > Vim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vimcdoc-translate > |
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From: <bla...@ms...> - 2003-01-22 07:19:14
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I have commited usr_25.txt . Does somebody check it ? Open to suggestion. BTW,I'll be absent two weeks . 给大家拜个早年,祝大家新年快乐,万事如意! rgs, snoopyxp _________________________________________________________________ 免费下载 MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn |
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From: chimin y. <ych...@ya...> - 2003-01-21 16:20:41
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usr-27 completed. I'll take one more, usr_28. CY __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com |
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