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Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] cvs dir structure

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

> What about being named as 'data'??  I often see projects using this name
> for this kind of stuff.

So be it.


> Yes, indeed.  We can make a new (cleaner and more straightforward) one
> for both VCD and vimcdoc. (How about VCD being a mirror-like site for
> vimcdoc??)

Someone is asking for more work. :-)

> lang2, i'd say you really did a GOOD JOB for us(and our projects)!

At your service.

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] Working at usr_30.txt and help needed.

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

> Hi, there.

Hi,

> 
> How would you translate these:

I havn't the immediate answer but will look into it 
tomorrow:

> 
> 2) We have to contact more often (wait, i know everyone is busy...) with
> each other. (and we need more people to join in)  We ought to share our
> thoughts and tips about our translation work.  What's most important, we
> should help each other in a cooperative way.  That's the essence of
> collaboration!

Agree. But it looks hard to attract ppl. We have to try
harder maybe.


> P.S.  Ken, are you there?  lang2 have suggested that we should base our
> work on version 6.1.(in fact, there's not too much work going from 6.0
> to 6.1). Could you set up a new structure of the CVS tree? I personally
> think lang2's model on cosoft is actually good enough(maybe we could add
> more stuff).  Or maybe lang2, since you're granted the project manager's
> privileges, could do the effort for us??
> 

Ken (and Merlin) hasn't subscribe to the list yet. 

As for CVS, plese refer to the other mail I sent out.

> When was your last date with your
> girlfriend? ;-)

3 yrs ago? ;-)

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] cvs dir structure

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:08:34 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:


> Hi everyone,
> 
> As the current status of the cvs directory stucture stands,
> I propose doing the following:

Hadn't received this mail before i sent that 'help needed' message. 

> 
> 1. add another top level directory -- 'vimcdoc' for 
> containing stuff other than the translated doucments.

What about being named as 'data'??  I often see projects using this name
for this kind of stuff.

> web page (We are going to have one won't we?)

Yes, indeed.  We can make a new (cleaner and more straightforward) one
for both VCD and vimcdoc. (How about VCD being a mirror-like site for
vimcdoc??)

> things will be done by the end of this weekend.
> 

lang2, i'd say you really did a GOOD JOB for us(and our projects)!

Thanks.


-- 
Leslie Jackson

[Vimcdoc-translate] Working at usr_30.txt and help needed.

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

Hi, there.

I'm just working at the file usr_30.txt. (I know Ken's going on with
usr_1?.txt and Merlin started usr_20.txt so i don't want to overlap our
effort. :-)

I've finished about a third of that file, encountering some difficulties
translating some of the words/phrases smoothly.  I need your help.

How would you translate these:

1) Formatting comment 
2) Exploring the GUI
3) Moving through programs
4) modifiers(filename-modifiers)

Any insights would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


Some of my other thoughts:

1) As Merlin suggested, i did not (at least _tried_ not to) translate
the text word by word.  Sometimes i even cut redundant sentences to be
clearer and smoother.

2) We have to contact more often (wait, i know everyone is busy...) with
each other. (and we need more people to join in)  We ought to share our
thoughts and tips about our translation work.  What's most important, we
should help each other in a cooperative way.  That's the essence of
collaboration!


P.S.  Ken, are you there?  lang2 have suggested that we should base our
work on version 6.1.(in fact, there's not too much work going from 6.0
to 6.1). Could you set up a new structure of the CVS tree? I personally
think lang2's model on cosoft is actually good enough(maybe we could add
more stuff).  Or maybe lang2, since you're granted the project manager's
privileges, could do the effort for us??


I'm going to finish usr_30.txt by this Sunday. (You know there're a lot
of things to do at weekend.  When was your last date with your
girlfriend? ;-)


Wish you all a pleasant weekend!


-- 
Leslie Jackson

[Vimcdoc-translate] cvs dir structure

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

Hi everyone,

As the current status of the cvs directory stucture stands,
I propose doing the following:

1. add another top level directory -- 'vimcdoc' for 
containing stuff other than the translated doucments.

2. make both 'vimcdoc' and 'doc' cvs modules.

3. In 'vimcdoc', there will be stuff like the word list,
web page (We are going to have one won't we?), package 
generating scripts, etc.

This kind of setup is different from what we had for 'vcd'
but in a way it is good as well - user who don't care about
the web, package building etc can simply checkout the 'doc'
module and enjoy the translated documents. 

I have already made makefiles for building various packages
for 'vcd'. They can be used unchanged for 'vimcdoc' 
provided that we checkout 'vimcdoc' first and then checkout
'doc' inside the 'vimcdoc' directory.

If you guys agree, things will be done by the end of this
weekend.

Rgds,


lang2

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] word list

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

> > 
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> Not considering much within enough context, i just _try_ to translate
> some of them:

Thanks. That will help a lot.

> BTW, lang2, have you contact the guys who replied to the post on
> LinuxForum?

Not yet. I'd better do that then.

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] word list

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:30:00 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> It would still be nice though 
> to have a standard mapping of special terminologies like
>  'folding' tec.
> 

Indeed.

Not considering much within enough context, i just _try_ to translate
some of them:


+ identifier   标识(符)
+ word         单词
+ sentence     句子
+ paragraph    段落;段
+ offset       位移量;偏移量
+ boolean      布尔变量(or 类型?)
+ shell        shell


BTW, lang2, have you contact the guys who replied to the post on
LinuxForum?

-- 
Leslie Jackson

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] Re: [Vcd-develop] 6.1 files in cosoft cvs

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

> 
> Note that at the end of 75th line, there's a '>'.  If you removed that
> '>', there would be no color.

Indeed. My apologies. Man, this is tricky. 

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] word list

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

> i delete them all...  The problem is that you know what the English
> context means but don't know how to translate it into Chinese in a
> neatest way.

Totally agree. It would still be nice though 
to have a standard mapping of special terminologies like
 'folding' tec.

 
> 
> Hope Ken could set a new directory structure for CVS tree.

Ken and Merlin: Would you like to subscribe to this list? 


lang2

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] Re: [Vcd-develop] 6.1 files in cosoft cvs

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:11:04 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:


> > I've taken a close look at the original English texts finding that
> > there're also '>'s in the context. (often following the colon at the
> > end of the line)
> 
> I didn't look into all the occurance but in usr_01.txt. 
> The oringinal 76-78 doens't have '>' or '<'. While in the
> translated text there are in line 68-70. The oringinal
> documentation uses <TAB>: for synatx element. 
> 

Note that at the end of 75th line, there's a '>'.  If you removed that
'>', there would be no color.


-- 
Leslie Jackson

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] word list

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:32:19 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> Could I ask you 
> to take a look and see what you think? 

What i got on my mind: Translation is harder than expected.  It's
difficult to find a proper peer in Chinese sometimes.  Today i've tried
to start translating another file in the Vim Doc.  After a couple of
hours of efforts, i'm really not satisfied with what i've translated. So
i delete them all...  The problem is that you know what the English
context means but don't know how to translate it into Chinese in a
neatest way.

> This file, IMHO, should go into CVS at some stage, though
> I don't know where. Any suggestions?
> 

Hope Ken could set a new directory structure for CVS tree.

-- 
Leslie Jackson

[Vimcdoc-translate] cvscommit

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

Hi all,

I've setup yet another mailing list for receiving automatic
notification of cvs commits. 

Please go here if you want to sign up.

http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vimcdoc-cvscommit


lang2

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] Re: [Vcd-develop] 6.1 files in cosoft cvs

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

particular things
> > > used for coloring. It may be somewhat weird but if you removed them
> > > the words between that'>' and '<' wouldn't be color-syntaxed any
> > > more. 
> > 
> > Oops. Indeed they are in Ken's translation. However, 
> > they are not in the Vim documentation. 
> 
> I've taken a close look at the original English texts finding that
> there're also '>'s in the context. (often following the colon at the end
> of the line)

I didn't look into all the occurance but in usr_01.txt. 
The oringinal 76-78 doens't have '>' or '<'. While in the
translated text there are in line 68-70. The oringinal
documentation uses <TAB>: for synatx element. 

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] Re: [Vcd-develop] 6.1 files in cosoft cvs

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:16:57 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> > 
> > I've already noticed this.  They have been included in Ken's
> > original work and they're normally at the beginning of some lines. 
> > I think they are not the diff stuff but sort of particular things
> > used for coloring. It may be somewhat weird but if you removed them
> > the words between that'>' and '<' wouldn't be color-syntaxed any
> > more. 
> 
> Oops. Indeed they are in Ken's translation. However, 
> they are not in the Vim documentation. 

I've taken a close look at the original English texts finding that
there're also '>'s in the context. (often following the colon at the end
of the line)

Seems they are necessary for coloring.

-- 
Leslie Jackson

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] word list

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

Right. Just as I expected!

I will have to attach it then. Don't know how mailman handles
attachment.

Sorry lads. Won't happen again, I promise. 

lang2

[Vimcdoc-translate] word list

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

Hi all,

I've been preparing a list of translation for Vim 
terminologies, which is pasted below. Could I ask you 
to take a look and see what you think? It is not complete.
There are some words that I just can't find the proper 
translation (e.g diagraph) or I don't understand the real
 meaning (alternative file). If you guys can help me finish
this (the list will grow during the course), I think I can
finish the quickref.txt much easier. 

This file, IMHO, should go into CVS at some stage, though
I don't know where. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

--------------------------------------------------------
The following table contains the terminologies Vim used in its
documentation and The corresponding Chinese frase.

+----------------------------------------------------+
|  ENGLISH                             ????          +
+----------------------------------------------------+
 + text object                        ??¡À????¨®
 + shiftwidth
 + quickfix
 + mark and tag                       ¡À¨º????¡À¨º??
 + visual mode                        ????????
 + synatx highligh                    ??¡¤¡§????
 + scroll                             ?¨ª??
 + digraph
 + folding                            ????
 + identifier
 + atom
 + append
 + indent                             ????
 + join
 + register                           ?????¡Â
 + yank
 + shell
 + alternative file
 + key mapping
 + abbreviations                      ????
 + literally
 + recall                             ????
 + argument                           ????
 + section
 + active                             ??????
 + buffer                             ????
 + arg                                ????
 + block                              ?¨¦
 + operator                           ??¡Á¡Â¡¤? 
 + word
 + sentence
 + paragraph
 + section
 + inner
 + cursor                             ??¡À¨º
 + tooltip
 + autocommand                        ¡Á????¨¹??
 + event                              ????
 + swap file                          ????????
 + boolean                            
 + offset                            
 + column                             ??                       
 + like                               ??
 + Vi                                 Vi
 + Vim                                Vim
 + Ex                                 Ex
 + lisp                               lisp
 + GUI                                GUI
 + UNIX                               UNIX
--------------------------------------------------------

ps. If the encoding of the mail isn't perfect, don't blame
me! :-)


lang2

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] Re: [Vcd-develop] 6.1 files in cosoft cvs

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

> 
> I've already noticed this.  They have been included in Ken's original
> work and they're normally at the beginning of some lines.  I think they
> are not the diff stuff but sort of particular things used for coloring. 
> It may be somewhat weird but if you removed them the words between that
> '>' and '<' wouldn't be color-syntaxed any more. 

Oops. Indeed they are in Ken's translation. However, 
they are not in the Vim documentation. Thus, I'd suggest 
it should be done away with. I think the syntax hilight
work with <TAB>: 

[Vimcdoc-translate] Re: [Vcd-develop] 6.1 files in cosoft cvs

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:31:47 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> Hi wandys,
> 
> I've noticed that the files you checked in into the cvs 
> server on cosoft has '>' and '<' which supposely is the
> output by diff. Could you fix those.

I've already noticed this.  They have been included in Ken's original
work and they're normally at the beginning of some lines.  I think they
are not the diff stuff but sort of particular things used for coloring. 
It may be somewhat weird but if you removed them the words between that
'>' and '<' wouldn't be color-syntaxed any more. 

> 
> And if Ken agree, could you check those into the SF cvs
> repository?

Will do.


-- 
Leslie Jackson

[Vimcdoc-translate] 6.1 files in cosoft cvs

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

Hi wandys,

I've noticed that the files you checked in into the cvs 
server on cosoft has '>' and '<' which supposely is the
output by diff. Could you fix those.

And if Ken agree, could you check those into the SF cvs
repository?

Ken, myself and wandys both agree that we should be working
on 6.1 documentations as:
1. It is the latest
2. There are very little difference.
3. It is likely that 6.1 will be the official Vim version 
for a while.

Would you agree with that?

Thanks


lang2

[Vimcdoc-translate] Re: [Vcd-develop] vimcdoc mailing lists

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

> 
> > Whether we use it or not can be decided later. But at 
> > least it is there if we do.
> 
> Since we all are included in the vimcdoc's members list, I think we can
> use SF.net as main development platform.

Let's wait and see what Ken and Merlin have to say. I personally agree.

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] [Please ignore] Test

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:28:01 +0800
Leslie Jackson <cew...@16...> wrote:

> Test

Okay.

-- 
Leslie Jackson

[Vimcdoc-translate] [Please ignore] Test

[Leslie J. <cew...@16...>]

Test

-- 
Leslie Jackson

Re: [Vimcdoc-translate] test - please ignore.

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

passed.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:47:04 +0000
 "lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:
> testing.
> 
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[Vimcdoc-translate] test - please ignore.

[lang2 <wzh...@po...>]

testing.