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Re: [Scribia-dev] Uhoh... we better write docs...

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 11:54 PM -0700 7/11/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>>"He's dead," Joan told me. "Heart attack."

Hey, I'm not *that* stressed out! :-)

Seriously though, docs are needed. We're sufficiently different from 
Scribus to confuse people. I may take a shot at it, I've 12 hours to 
kill on an airplane today...
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[Scribia-dev] Uhoh... we better write docs...

[Ben H. <bh...@sa...>]

RISKS-Digest rules.

At 4:08 PM -0700 6/13/01, RISKS List Owner wrote:
>Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:59:11 -0500
>From: "Dankmyer, Kirt" <Kir...@cs...>
>Subject: Dead men produce no documentation
>
>I was recently assigned to take over a system that processes and sends data
>to a wide variety of scientific agencies that depend on said data. In
>particular, I've been asked to understand the system well enough to maintain
>and troubleshoot it.
>
>Naturally, the system, both software and hardware, was created "in-house" by
>contractors. Nothing like anything I'd experienced before. When I requested
>documentation, I was told there was none. The last person who had to work on
>the system had produced a draft of user documentation, but it was
>incomplete.
>
>So, I contacted the poor soul who had worked on this system before me, the
>one who had produced the incomplete documentation. (We'll call her Joan.)
>Joan was only familiar with the part of the system she had worked on (the
>user interface, really). So I asked her about the two people who had
>designed and implemented the system in the first place. I thought that they
>could perhaps help me with some of the questions I had.
>
>One of them had left the company that originally employed her, and wouldn't
>return phone calls. So I asked Joan about the other designer, who seemed to
>have done the bulk of the work anyway.
>
>"He's dead," Joan told me. "Heart attack."
>
>The risk? If you skimp on documentation while designing a custom system, you
>may find that you don't have time to go back and do it later, with serious
>consequences for those who follow you. This problem should be familiar to
>most readers of RISKS, but it bears repeating. As I write this, a problem
>has come up with the system and no one is even sure if it is hardware or
>software. When dealing with such a system, you cannot guarantee you will be
>able to talk to the original designer (and the only one who understands the
>system fully), and it might be because they've left more than just the
>company that originally produced the equipment. Sic transit gloria mundi...
>
>Kirt Dankmyer -- 757-824-2283 -- kir...@cs...
>CSOC UNIX System Administrator -- Wallops Flight Facility
>
>   [Of course, Wallops Island is where a lightning strike hit the missile
>   launch platform when a missile was waiting to be launched to test the
>   effects of lightning -- and resulted in the missile accidentally being
>   launched.  PGN]
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Fixed window zoom

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

>>also fixed a typo in the main window's CTYP resource (CScriba :)
>
>Just goes to show you dont really need those things anyway. :) Unless
>we need to add custom data fields to the structure, which we do not.
>We just use the standard LWindow stuff. We probably dont need any of
>those CTYPs, in fact, i dont think any of them have custom data. If
>you add custom classes i would say don't bother with the CTYP unless
>you need to extend the built in PP stuff. (with a custom type, when
>you open the project inspector, you can put additional initialization
>stuff at the bottom under the class name. All of ours are empty, no
>custom stuff)

yeah, a CTYP is not needed for a custom class unless you add fields to the
stream constructor. you can just change the Class ID in the PPob itself. if
no custom type has been defined for that class ID, it'll just appear as
"LWindow (SDcW)".

sometimes you want to add a CTYP just to see the actual class name. for
windows it's not that important, but if another developer sees a "LCaption
(SwqE)", he/she might wonder what it does exactly. (even more so for
attachments, since LAttachment does nothing by itself :)


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[Scribia-dev] [ scribia-Bugs-440448 ] in share time + preferences

[<no...@so...>]

Bugs item #440448, was opened at 2001-07-11 09:40
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: in share time + preferences

Initial Comment:
the in shares times go sometimes terribly wrong  ( more 
time than clanning time) and i can't open the 
preferences window.
hope i could be of any help
thanks for the really nice programm
take care.


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[Scribia-dev] Away until September

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

Hi,

I'll be traveling until the middle of August, then I'm back for a 
week, then I'll be traveling again for two weeks until September.

I won't be near my Mac, so there's not much I'll get done on Scribia. 
I will be online constantly though. I could do some minor flex work 
(it runs under FreeBSD :-) but I won't be able to compile the rest of 
Scribia.

Ben has release admin rights, so if you guys feel we have a new 
release, by all means put it out! :-)
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Bounty counting

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 3:48 AM -0700 7/10/01, Cygnus wrote:
>Does Scribia count bounties put on monsters by exiles?  I thought it did but
>I'm not seeing anything on it and it doesn't show in the GUI.  If its not in
>yet, its probably a good candidate for an item to count.
>
>Messages from it look like this:
>7/10/01 3:38:03a A 1c bounty from Urgelt!
>
>PS I'll open a feature request if its not in yet, wanted to make sure I'm
>not being brain dead since its 4 am =)

We did when they were first introduced. Maybe DT has changed the 
message . Could you open a bug report? I'm not sure when I'll get to 
this (see my other mail) but I don't want it forgotten.
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Fixed window zoom

[Ben H. <bh...@sa...>]

At 1:55 AM -0400 7/10/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>i changed the main window's Standard Height to -1. setting the Standard
>Width/Height to the same values as the Max Width/Height allows the window
>to be zoomed when the zoom box is clicked (before, you had to resize the
>window first).


Cool. I also muck with the window zoom stuff in 
CScribiaDocumentWindow.cp line 605 and 643, by the way, to let the 
"Debug" view be wider. If you feel like it, that code could be 
improved to zoom to as wide as it needs to be. (get the WText view 
ptr from the view, ask the view what its content size is would 
probably work) Currently it zooms to 1500 hardcoded for the debug 
view.

Also i found another slight bug. If you switch to the debug view, 
zoom out, them go back to the trainer view and try to zoom in, it 
stays zoomed out. Probably due to how i mucked with the zoom size.

>also fixed a typo in the main window's CTYP resource (CScriba :)

Just goes to show you dont really need those things anyway. :) Unless 
we need to add custom data fields to the structure, which we do not. 
We just use the standard LWindow stuff. We probably dont need any of 
those CTYPs, in fact, i dont think any of them have custom data. If 
you add custom classes i would say don't bother with the CTYP unless 
you need to extend the built in PP stuff. (with a custom type, when 
you open the project inspector, you can put additional initialization 
stuff at the bottom under the class name. All of ours are empty, no 
custom stuff)


Currently I am working on (not checked in yet since its broken still):

- Allowing command-period to cancel scanning.
- Moving progressbar/exile pict to window class.

-Ben
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[Scribia-dev] Bounty counting

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

Does Scribia count bounties put on monsters by exiles?  I thought it did but
I'm not seeing anything on it and it doesn't show in the GUI.  If its not in
yet, its probably a good candidate for an item to count.

Messages from it look like this:
7/10/01 3:38:03a A 1c bounty from Urgelt!

PS I'll open a feature request if its not in yet, wanted to make sure I'm
not being brain dead since its 4 am =)


Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

[Scribia-dev] Fixed window zoom

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

i changed the main window's Standard Height to -1. setting the Standard
Width/Height to the same values as the Max Width/Height allows the window
to be zoomed when the zoom box is clicked (before, you had to resize the
window first).

also fixed a typo in the main window's CTYP resource (CScriba :)

commit log:

Checking in scribia/Resources/ScribiaResources.ppob;
/cvsroot/scribia/scribia/Resources/ScribiaResources.ppob,v  <--
ScribiaResources.ppob
new revision: 1.33; previous revision: 1.32
done
Checking in scribia/Documentation/CHANGELOG;
/cvsroot/scribia/scribia/Documentation/CHANGELOG,v  <--  CHANGELOG
new revision: 1.45; previous revision: 1.44
done


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[Scribia-dev] more updates

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

Tracking coins won and lost in the Coliseum.
Tracking coins donated to the clan account. (Need withdrawal log message!)
Tracking more items (Clubius).
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[Scribia-dev] updates

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

Tracking items won (Bumgal, casino) or obtained as trophies after challenges.

Prior changes added support for items bought in shops or from other NPCs.

Please test. If any items aren't tracked yet, submit log strings. 
(For shops, etc., send the entire exchange between exile and NPC 
please.)
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Re: [Scribia-dev] live scanning?

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

Ben Hines wrote:

> How feasible would live scanning be? If i could grab each line of a 
> textlog as it is written (like algy does - applescript i believe, we 
> should be able to as well) would it be possible to rejigger the scanner 
> to scan each line "live"?
> And then update the GUI, live. (if its in the foreground)
> 
> Would obviously require some serious reworking of how scanning is handled.

Actually, this is easy!

The flex scanner is already modular - it allows you to override the 
function delivering the data to scan (it's a feature of flex). Right 
now, that funtion is read(). However, *any* function returning a string 
can be used.

The biggest change would be to trigger a GUI redraw periodically. 
However, this isn't too hard either to do every few lines of log text or so.

Lark

[Scribia-dev] live scanning?

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

Future directions of scribia...

How feasible would live scanning be? If i could grab each line of a 
textlog as it is written (like algy does - applescript i believe, we 
should be able to as well) would it be possible to rejigger the 
scanner to scan each line "live"?

And then update the GUI, live. (if its in the foreground)

Would obviously require some serious reworking of how scanning is handled.

-Ben
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[Scribia-dev] [Bugs-438569 ] progress dialog eating CPU time

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

>
>Initial Comment:
>This is strage: When I put Scribia in the background, my
>foreground appication is dog-slow. When I drag something
>over Scribia's scanning progress indicator, things speed up a
>lot in the foreground.


Not sure why that might be, but..

>I have no clue about Mac internals, so this might be a stupid
>assumption: Does the progress indicator use spinning or
>something like it that eats a lot of cycles?


Yes, scanning is not very friendly to other apps. Also, calling 
waitnextevent yourself in a powerplant app is A Bad Thing=81. We do not 
treat other apps nicely.  And we don't have a freakin' cancel button.

Still need to look into threading the scanner.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Fwd: Scribia

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 10:15 AM +1200 7/5/01, John Holley - Adept wrote:
>Went and checked and it looks quite wrong. For boloks (which have the
>highest max total worth), the max total was 148! (Total worth of 337 from 37
>skins)

I think that might have been due to the coin counter not being reset 
on all occasions. I've added it where I thought it was missing - it's 
in the CVS version now.

I never saw a problem with my logs, so I don't have a case to test it 
against. Let me know if the new version works for you.
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[Scribia-dev] [ scribia-Bugs-438703 ] Can delete char while open

[<no...@so...>]

Bugs item #438703, was opened at 2001-07-05 00:26
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Category: GUI
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Ben H (benh57)
Assigned to: Ben H (benh57)
Summary: Can delete char while open

Initial Comment:
You can delete a char in the menu or gui while its open. This can cause strange things to happen.

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Re: [Scribia-dev] Fwd: Scribia

[John H. - A. <joh...@ad...>]

>> 2) The MaxShr$ doesn't seem to work correctly. I assume this keeps track of
>> the largest skin? If so, it now reports this as being 223 for me :)
> 
> 
> MaxShr$ is the max shared skin amount. Its possible there was a 223
> coin skin somewhere... foothills? Go to the "beasts" view and look at
> the "max. total worth" field, that might say what it is.

Went and checked and it looks quite wrong. For boloks (which have the
highest max total worth), the max total was 148! (Total worth of 337 from 37
skins)

MaxShr$ is 223 on the money view.

John

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Re: [Scribia-dev] features

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 2:23 PM -0700 7/3/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>Just added some more today... chains and jury duty should be in the 
>GUI now. Misc tab. (i had some chain data, it looks good. No jury 
>data to test, but it should at least show up)

Cool!

>Only thing missing now from the GUI are trainer evaluations.  I was 
>thinking disclosure triangles on each trainer. (easy to do with 
>LOutlineTable) Or i could move the experience box somewhere else and 
>put them in the table like normal.

I would put it in the list, and move the exp. table - either to its 
own tab (overkill?) or as a new short list-thingie on the "Misc" tab 
(the Court list there is somewhat long and could be shortened.

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[Scribia-dev] [ scribia-Bugs-438571 ] GUI fields too narrow

[<no...@so...>]

Bugs item #438571, was opened at 2001-07-04 09:45
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Category: GUI
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Lark (lark)
Assigned to: Ben H (benh57)
Summary: GUI fields too narrow

Initial Comment:
The "ruined furs" and "bank fees" fields in the GUI show only 
three digits - I have four-digit values for each of those.

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[Scribia-dev] [ scribia-Bugs-438569 ] progress dialog eating CPU time

[<no...@so...>]

Bugs item #438569, was opened at 2001-07-04 09:38
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Category: GUI
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Lark (lark)
Assigned to: Ben H (benh57)
Summary: progress dialog eating CPU time

Initial Comment:
This is strage: When I put Scribia in the background, my 
foreground appication is dog-slow. When I drag something 
over Scribia's scanning progress indicator, things speed up a 
lot in the foreground.

I have no clue about Mac internals, so this might be a stupid 
assumption: Does the progress indicator use spinning or 
something like it that eats a lot of cycles?

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[Scribia-dev] [ scribia-Feature Requests-438568 ] column resizing

[<no...@so...>]

Feature Requests item #438568, was opened at 2001-07-04 09:35
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Category: GUI
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Lark (lark)
Assigned to: Ben H (benh57)
Summary: column resizing

Initial Comment:
I'd be nice if the GUI would automatically resize columns in 
the output to fit the longest element.

I'd be even nicer if user could resize columns manually, too. 
:-)

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[Scribia-dev] features

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

At 10:03 AM -0700 7/3/01, Lark wrote:
>At 3:01 AM -0400 7/2/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>>i've just checked out the latest sources from CVS, and it won't compile.
>>it's complaining about an undefined "Scribia_ConfirmDlgID" in both
>>CMapTable.cp and CTrainingTable.cp. anyone forgot to check something in?
>
>Same here. I don't have any pending changes uncommitted. Bones? :-)


Just added some more today... chains and jury duty should be in the 
GUI now. Misc tab. (i had some chain data, it looks good. No jury 
data to test, but it should at least show up)

Only thing missing now from the GUI are trainer evaluations.  I was 
thinking disclosure triangles on each trainer. (easy to do with 
LOutlineTable) Or i could move the experience box somewhere else and 
put them in the table like normal.

The other main feature, added last week, was to allow deletion of 
data from tables.

-Ben
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[Scribia-dev] [ scribia-Feature Requests-438314 ] Track itms/dys/shes/etc bought from NPCs

[<no...@so...>]

Feature Requests item #438314, was opened at 2001-07-03 12:14
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Category: Scanner
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Ben H (benh57)
Assigned to: Lark (lark)
Summary: Track itms/dys/shes/etc bought from NPCs

Initial Comment:
We do not track purchases of the form:


7/2/01 8:26:33p Beltic asks, "John Junkar, would you like to buy a third
circle fighter's belt for 1000 coins?"
7/2/01 8:26:35p John Junkar says, "yes"
7/2/01 8:26:35p Beltic says, "There you go, John Junkar."

We could track dyes, shoes, items, etc all bought in this fashion. Yes, this would treat some "non-items" as "items" but i dont see that as a big deal. 

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Re: [Scribia-dev] Fwd: Scribia

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

>
>From: John Holley <j.h...@uc...>
>To: Bones <bh...@sa...>
>
>Couple of glitches
>
>1) The other night the View Data for Last Session button worked in reverse.
>From memory when I quit that was selected - haven't seen it again


This was a bug, is fixed in current CVS version if you have 
codewarrior and can compile it.

>2) The MaxShr$ doesn't seem to work correctly. I assume this keeps track of
>the largest skin? If so, it now reports this as being 223 for me :)


MaxShr$ is the max shared skin amount. Its possible there was a 223 
coin skin somewhere... foothills? Go to the "beasts" view and look at 
the "max. total worth" field, that might say what it is.

>3) It seems to treat karma you give to someone who is out of range as
>anonymous?

Worked fine for me.  Thanked Jeanne from the library and it was 
counted for her.


>4) It doesn't see belts as an item.
>
>7/2/01 8:26:33p Beltic asks, "John Junkar, would you like to buy a third
>circle fighter's belt for 1000 coins?"
>7/2/01 8:26:35p John Junkar says, "yes"
>7/2/01 8:26:35p Beltic says, "There you go, John Junkar."

Yep. We dont track NPC purchases like that. If we did we could also 
track skin dyes and such. That is probably a good feature request.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Cannot compile fresh CVS code

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

At 3:01 AM -0400 7/2/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>i've just checked out the latest sources from CVS, and it won't compile.
>it's complaining about an undefined "Scribia_ConfirmDlgID" in both
>CMapTable.cp and CTrainingTable.cp. anyone forgot to check something in?

Sorry, forgot the constants header. Fixed.

-Ben
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