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[Scribia-dev] Commit: new About Box

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

well, it's nothing fancy, but it's a start: i've committed a (hopefully)
nicer about box. feel free to adjust the layout and/or text style if
needed...

here's the commit log.

Checking in scribia/Resources/ScribiaResources.ppob;
/cvsroot/scribia/scribia/Resources/ScribiaResources.ppob,v  <--
ScribiaResources.ppob
new revision: 1.12; previous revision: 1.11
done
Checking in scribia/Resources/ScribiaResources.rsrc;
/cvsroot/scribia/scribia/Resources/ScribiaResources.rsrc,v  <--
ScribiaResources.rsrc
new revision: 1.10; previous revision: 1.9
done
Checking in scribia/Source/CScribiaApp.cp;
/cvsroot/scribia/scribia/Source/CScribiaApp.cp,v  <--  CScribiaApp.cp
new revision: 1.19; previous revision: 1.18
done
Checking in scribia/Source/CScribiaApp.h;
/cvsroot/scribia/scribia/Source/CScribiaApp.h,v  <--  CScribiaApp.h
new revision: 1.9; previous revision: 1.8
done


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Commit: project cleanup, prefix changes

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 1:12 AM -0500 3/13/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>i noticed that your e-mail client seems to "Reply to all" by default. i
>always receive two copies of your replies to my messages since you send the
>message to the list and CC it to me. was this intentional?

Sometimes I forget that reply-to-all is default :-)

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Re: [Scribia-dev] MoreFiles

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 1:33 AM -0500 3/13/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>maybe we can distribute the MoreFiles 1.5 package with the Scribia source
>package. this would ensure that we can keep a working MoreFiles package
>with the source at all time, even when switching CW versions and such. (for
>example i'm not sure that Pro 5 includes MoreFiles 1.5, which means that
>someone with Pro 5 could not compile Scribia, even if he/she updated the

We could, but I don't think it'd gain us much. And to compile with 
5.2, you need MoreFiles 1.4.9, 1.5 won't work because of some changes 
to UH. (It's in the README :-)

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[Scribia-dev] MoreFiles

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

i pulled the MacCVS Pro sources today and noticed they included MoreFiles
with the distribution. intrigued i looked at the MoreFiles ReadMe and found
this:

"You may incorporate this sample code into your applications without
restriction, though the sample code has been provided "AS IS" and the
responsibility for its operation is 100% yours. However, what you are not
permitted to do is to redistribute the source as "DSC Sample Code" after
having made changes. If you're going to redistribute the source, we require
that you make it clear in the source that the code was descended from Apple
Sample Code, but that you've made changes."

so apparently it's ok to redistribute the source as long as you either a)
didn't change it or b) made it clear in the source that you've made changes.

maybe we can distribute the MoreFiles 1.5 package with the Scribia source
package. this would ensure that we can keep a working MoreFiles package
with the source at all time, even when switching CW versions and such. (for
example i'm not sure that Pro 5 includes MoreFiles 1.5, which means that
someone with Pro 5 could not compile Scribia, even if he/she updated the
Pro 5 project to match the latest modifs.)


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Commit: project cleanup, prefix changes

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

i noticed that your e-mail client seems to "Reply to all" by default. i
always receive two copies of your replies to my messages since you send the
message to the list and CC it to me. was this intentional?


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Commit: project cleanup, prefix changes

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 6:44 PM -0500 3/12/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>it also answered a question i had about whether the files' headers were
>automatically updated by CVS when you committed something.

yes, they are

>  did you have to
>add a special comment at the beginning of each file to achieve this, or are
>all files automagically logged this way?

cvs expands tags that look like $keyword$ (they are in the header)

>  (i.e. if i add a file to the
>project, do i have to use a header template at the very beginning of the
>file? if so, how exactly should i set up that header to make sure logging
>works?)

use the header provided when you first create a file:

/*
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
$RCSfile: HEADER,v $

Copyright (C) 2000-2001, The Scribia Development Team

This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the terms of the "Artistic License" which comes with this Kit.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY
or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the Artistic License for more
details.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
$Revision: 1.3 $
   $Author: lark $
     $Date: 2001/02/04 20:24:41 $
    $State: Exp $
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
$Log: HEADER,v $
Revision 1.3  2001/02/04 20:24:41  lark
New copyright.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
*/

what cvs oes is replace the $Log...$ line with your commit comment 
every time a commit happens.

when you first start a file, remove the log that is already there, 
i.e. in the example above, you'd remove these two lines after pasting 
th header in:

>  Revision 1.3  2001/02/04 20:24:41  lark
>  New copyright.

the other info will automatically be corrected/updated on commit.


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[Scribia-dev] Commit: project cleanup, prefix changes

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

ok, i committed the changes made to the project file (Scribia.CW6.mcp.xml)
and to the PrefixCommon.h file. it worked. MacCVS Pro seems to work great :)

it also answered a question i had about whether the files' headers were
automatically updated by CVS when you committed something. did you have to
add a special comment at the beginning of each file to achieve this, or are
all files automagically logged this way? (i.e. if i add a file to the
project, do i have to use a header template at the very beginning of the
file? if so, how exactly should i set up that header to make sure logging
works?)


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Compiling Scribia

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 12:59 AM -0500 3/12/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>btw i have a couple of suggestions for the project layout in general:
>
>1. you might want to get rid of the pascal files in the MoreFiles package.
>you might also want to ditch the MoreFiles ReadMe file (like i always do, i
>had deleted that ReadMe file and got a compiler error :)

sure, just remove it - there's probably some other files that aren't 
needed in the project (esp. PP)

>2. the warnings in the precompiled headers are pretty annoying. however,
>there's an easy way to get rid of them and still keep the warning for the
>rest of the project. simply put the #pragma warning_foo after the #includes
>for the headers, like this:
>
>...
>
>// Include MSL headers.
>#include <MSLHeaders++.cp>
>
>// Bring in PP headers.
>#include <PP_ClassHeaders.cp>
>
>// All your warnings are belong to us now.
>#pragma warn_no_side_effect on
>#pragma warn_resultnotused on
>#pragma opt_strength_reduction_strict on
>
>that's it for tonight, when i get the 1.5.0 MoreFiles package i'll explore
>a bit further.

sounds good, commit it?


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Compiling Scribia

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 9:29 AM -0500 3/12/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>  >MoreFiles 1.5 came with my copy Codewarror 6, and compiles with 
>scribia fine.
>>
>>It should be in /Mac OS Support/(Third Party Support)/MoreFiles 1.5
>>
>>On my copy, i changed the access path to use that copy of morefiles,
>>not the one in the scribia folder.
>>
>>We could do this for the main project, unless there is a reason not to.
>
>i've tried 1.5.0 and it did work. i have a feeling that they changed
>something in 1.5.1 to match changes in a new version of the UH, but i can't
>find that new version on apple's website. maybe they included it on a
>monthly CD shipped to registered ADC membres... (that would suck.)
>
>i second Ben's proposal of having the Scribia project point to the
>MoreFiles 1.5 package included with Pro 6. this will remove the need for
>new users to download MoreFiles and will also ensure that we have a working
>version
>
>>Feel free to check in the header modifications, though youre going to
>  >make me compile the damn headers AGAIN. :)
>

go right ahead :-)


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Time to get your feet wet!

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

>Now that everybody has CVS access, it's time to start to pick a piece
>and write some code for it! Here's a short list of things that are
>currently missing in Scribia. All are pretty small and well-contained
>projects, so you can get comfortable with the code and learn more
>about PowerPlant/STL/CVS (if you don't know already):
>
>	- document functionality (load/save)
>	- about box

Scribia already has an about box. i guess you mean a prettier one? :)


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Compiling Scribia

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

>MoreFiles 1.5 came with my copy Codewarror 6, and compiles with scribia fine.
>
>It should be in /Mac OS Support/(Third Party Support)/MoreFiles 1.5
>
>On my copy, i changed the access path to use that copy of morefiles,
>not the one in the scribia folder.
>
>We could do this for the main project, unless there is a reason not to.

i've tried 1.5.0 and it did work. i have a feeling that they changed
something in 1.5.1 to match changes in a new version of the UH, but i can't
find that new version on apple's website. maybe they included it on a
monthly CD shipped to registered ADC membres... (that would suck.)

i second Ben's proposal of having the Scribia project point to the
MoreFiles 1.5 package included with Pro 6. this will remove the need for
new users to download MoreFiles and will also ensure that we have a working
version

>Feel free to check in the header modifications, though youre going to
>make me compile the damn headers AGAIN. :)

i'll wait and see what lark thinks of the modif before committing it.


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Compiling Scribia

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

MoreFiles 1.5 came with my copy Codewarror 6, and compiles with scribia fine.

It should be in /Mac OS Support/(Third Party Support)/MoreFiles 1.5

On my copy, i changed the access path to use that copy of morefiles, 
not the one in the scribia folder.

We could do this for the main project, unless there is a reason not to.

Feel free to check in the header modifications, though youre going to 
make me compile the damn headers AGAIN. :)

-Ben

At 12:59 AM -0500 3/12/01, Charles Lechasseur wrote:
>well, since i'm a registered developer and i now have CVS access, it seems
>i no longer have an excuse to not contribute. can't goof off playing CL all
>night any more. oh well. :)
>
>i tried compiling Scribia with CW Pro 6.1 today. no luck. MoreFiles doesn't
>compile. i grabbed the latest (and only) version i found on the apple
>website, which is 1.5.1. the README mentions 1.5.0 but i can't find it on
>the site.
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[Scribia-dev] Compiling Scribia

[Charles L. <da...@sy...>]

well, since i'm a registered developer and i now have CVS access, it seems
i no longer have an excuse to not contribute. can't goof off playing CL all
night any more. oh well. :)

i tried compiling Scribia with CW Pro 6.1 today. no luck. MoreFiles doesn't
compile. i grabbed the latest (and only) version i found on the apple
website, which is 1.5.1. the README mentions 1.5.0 but i can't find it on
the site.

anyway the problems seem to be related to how UPP are defined in the UH...
Geotzou told me that he had a similar problem on another project, so it
might be related to a conflict between the UH provided with Pro 6.1 (UH
3.3.2) and the latest MoreFiles package (1.5.1).

i can't find a newer UH package on the developer page on Apple's website
but i'm pretty sure i heard about more recent ones. anyway, lark, do you
think you could send me your MoreFiles 1.5.0 package via e-mail? i'll try
to test it with that version and see if it builds... if it does, then we're
going to get into trouble when people are going to try and build with
1.5.1, and i'll try to find a way around the bug (i already have a bit of
an idea but i'd like to test with lark's version first).

btw i have a couple of suggestions for the project layout in general:

1. you might want to get rid of the pascal files in the MoreFiles package.
you might also want to ditch the MoreFiles ReadMe file (like i always do, i
had deleted that ReadMe file and got a compiler error :)

2. the warnings in the precompiled headers are pretty annoying. however,
there's an easy way to get rid of them and still keep the warning for the
rest of the project. simply put the #pragma warning_foo after the #includes
for the headers, like this:

...

// Include MSL headers.
#include <MSLHeaders++.cp>

// Bring in PP headers.
#include <PP_ClassHeaders.cp>

// All your warnings are belong to us now.
#pragma warn_no_side_effect on
#pragma warn_resultnotused on
#pragma opt_strength_reduction_strict on

that's it for tonight, when i get the 1.5.0 MoreFiles package i'll explore
a bit further.


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     - Minsc

[Scribia-dev] Time to get your feet wet!

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

Now that everybody has CVS access, it's time to start to pick a piece 
and write some code for it! Here's a short list of things that are 
currently missing in Scribia. All are pretty small and well-contained 
projects, so you can get comfortable with the code and learn more 
about PowerPlant/STL/CVS (if you don't know already):

	- document functionality (load/save)
	- about box
	- preferences file
	- icons (app an docs)
	- Scribus data import
	- GUI polishing (resizing, sorting, platinumizing, aquafying)
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[Scribia-dev] SSH1 reportedly added to MacCVS Pro

[Ben H. <bh...@sa...>]

At 10:07 AM +0100 3/10/01, Jean-Pierre wrote:
>
>look like you didn't get the last MacCVS Pro:
>
>Ram added SSH1 support a few days ago !


  http://sourceforge.net/projects/maccvspro/

I havent tried it yet.

-Ben
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[Scribia-dev] SSH/CVS/Mac working with sourceforge...

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

As of the current version of MacSSH.

However, i don't want to mention this to moorman, since pserver is 
far more convenient.

The ideal would be to get SSH running in MacCVS Pro.

 From the Macssh.com faq: (note: this was added this week)

How do I setup CVS in MacSSH ?

Let's say you need to access the project CVSPROJECT, on the 
sourceforge cvs server, as user CVSUSER, with password CVSPASS:

1) MacSSH settings:

Create a favorite configured with SSH2 for the CVS server you want to 
connect to:

-Tab General:
     host: cvs.CVSPROJECT.sourceforge.net
     port: 22 (SSH default)
-Tab Security:
     protocol: ssh2 (secure shell)
     username: CVSUSER
     password: CVSPASS
     command: -N -E"cvs -d /cvsroot/CVSPROJECT server"
-Tab SSH2:
     method: CVS port forwarding
     local port: 514 (CVS)

2) MacCVS settings:

CVSROOT: CVSUSER@127.0.0.1:/cvsroot/CVSPROJECT
authentication: Rsh (".rhosts" file)

3) Connect MacSSH to the server, then use MacCVS as usually.



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Re: [Scribia-dev] Misc items

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 3/8/01 9:15 AM, "Lark" <lar...@ya...> wrote:

> At 12:14 AM -0700 3/8/01, Cygnus wrote:
>> Tried scanning my mystic logs for the first time.  No trainers came up.
> 
> At all? I don't play a mystic, but I thought I had all the trainers
> that Scribus had (I got the log strings from there). Maybe they were
> changed? Here's the ones I have in there :
> 
> CHRONOS        {X}"You notice your augment lasting longer"(" longer")?
> QUANTOS        {X}"You notice that you can augment others to a greater degree"
> RESPOS        {X}"You feel your mind recovering faster"
> SESPOS        {X}"You feel your mind lasting longer now"
> RADIA        {X}"You notice your augmentation reaching further"
> 
> Do you train any of those, and they are not counted?

Sorry, I worded that badly.  In the group I scanned none showed up, but all
the trainings in that group of files where in the two trainers I gave.  Only
other trainers that I had in logs are Respos and Sespos and both show up
correctly.  I seem to be missing some log files that show radia and chronos,
I think they might have been accidently deleted.

BTW, all of those are apprentice trainers, doesn't look like any of the
journeymen or full are in.  I'll see if I can get the other trainers.


Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] Misc items

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 12:14 AM -0700 3/8/01, Cygnus wrote:
>Tried scanning my mystic logs for the first time.  No trainers came up.

At all? I don't play a mystic, but I thought I had all the trainers 
that Scribus had (I got the log strings from there). Maybe they were 
changed? Here's the ones I have in there :

CHRONOS		{X}"You notice your augment lasting longer"(" longer")?
QUANTOS		{X}"You notice that you can augment others to a greater degree"
RESPOS		{X}"You feel your mind recovering faster"
SESPOS		{X}"You feel your mind lasting longer now"
RADIA		{X}"You notice your augmentation reaching further"

Do you train any of those, and they are not counted?

>Pontifen   *You notice that you're able to increase others' accuracy more.
>Bouste     *You notice that you can enhance others to a greater degree.
>
>There could be more, but that's all I have messages for.

Added & committed, thanks! If others play mystics: Please scan your 
mystic logs and let me know if stuff is missing.

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[Scribia-dev] Misc items

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

Just a couple things I noticed tonight.

In the character window, a delete char button should probably be added.  I
had a typo and had to delete that file and restart the app.  Sort of a
hassle for the end use.

Tried scanning my mystic logs for the first time.  No trainers came up.
Looks like some of them are missing.  No matches were found in scribia.l
doing a find. =20

Pontifen   =80You notice that you're able to increase others' accuracy more.
Bouste     =80You notice that you can enhance others to a greater degree.

There could be more, but that's all I have messages for.

Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] mods

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

on 3/6/01 9:20 AM, Rob Tsuk at ro...@ts... wrote:
> Has anyone tried building with traceback tables off? Traceback tables add a
> lot of space, and are only of use for debugging.

Good point, Rob! I've turned traceback tables off for the Final target, and
it brings the app down to 1.1MB (from 1.5MB). I'll commit the project file
later.
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Re: [Scribia-dev] CVS pserver access, finally!

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

on 3/6/01 8:35 AM, Lark at lar...@ya... wrote:
> There is a small problem: I think you've set your CVS to encode binary files
> in HQX before committing (it's probably the default). This messes things up.
> For example, the Scribia.l file you committed was HQX'ed, probably because
> it contains some non-ASCII characters. Could you please change that, and
> re-commit?

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Not Ben's fault at all!

I turns out the problem was on my side: For some reason, Internet Config
started mapping files with the *.l extension into APPL, not TEXT types. Then
my local CVS client binhexed it before diffing it against Ben's changes.
Doh.
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Re: [Scribia-dev] mods

[Ben H. <bh...@sa...>]

At 8:39 AM -0800 3/6/01, Lark wrote:
>
>We could go even further, and create two views, on that displays a Tcounter,
>an one that displays a TCounterMap. Row/column headings can be obtained from
>the map keys, like I do for the debug window.

Actually we could use just 2 views, and generate the same headings 
and "totals" fields we have now dynamically, but that makes it 
slightly harder to maintain, i think.

I didnt actually try the "final" target - the code is probably a lot 
smaller for that one. So it might not matter.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] CVS pserver access, finally!

[Ben H. <bh...@sa...>]

At 8:35 AM -0800 3/6/01, Lark wrote:
>At 12:43 AM -0800 3/6/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>
>>  Excellent. And i have succeeded in commiting my most recent additions.
>
>I'm updating them as we speak! :-) Great job!
>
>There is a small problem: I think you've set your CVS to encode binary files
>in HQX before committing (it's probably the default). This messes things up.
>For example, the Scribia.l file you committed was HQX'ed, probably because
>it contains some non-ASCII characters. Could you please change that, and
>re-commit?


Aha, i found the problem - i had no encoding type set for .l files, 
so it was using the default encoding, which is to MacBinary 'em. (not 
hqx... you sure it was hqxed?)

At 8:39 AM -0800 3/6/01, Lark wrote:
>We could go even further, and create two views, on that displays a Tcounter,
>an one that displays a TCounterMap. Row/column headings can be obtained from
>the map keys, like I do for the debug window.

Well, two table types is good, but not only two views. I think we 
still need all the 7 different views for the column headers, totals 
boxes, and special entries we might want to put below the table. Each 
view could use either the TCounterMap table or the TCounter table.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] CVS pserver access, finally!

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 3/6/01 1:43 AM, "Ben Hines" <bh...@sa...> wrote:

Just updated.  Looks great.


> Do you all like the "kills" pane how it is, or should i make a
> "disclosure triangle"?  I think i like it how it is.
> 

I like it the way it is.  I always found the disclosure triangles in Scribus
a little annoying.  Viewing all the kill types at once is a lot more
informative to me.  The triangles have always just been a tedious slow down.

The only change I'd maybe make is to spell out the entire words.  But that
might take up to much space.  Maybe make the names into 2 rows with help on
its own line, like:  Helped
                      Kill




Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] mods

[Rob T. <ro...@ts...>]

on 3/6/01 8:39 AM, Lark at lar...@ya... wrote:

> on 3/4/01 7:48 PM, Ben Hines at bh...@sa... wrote:
>> I have noticed that our app is getting pretty massive, due to the use
>> of STL i think. Each of my small table classes adds about 150k of
>> code.
> 
> It may be because of aggressive inlining. STL and PP both have lots of small
> functions.

Has anyone tried building with traceback tables off? Traceback tables add a
lot of space, and are only of use for debugging.

Rob