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[Scribia-dev] Os x on old world

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

Here's the link to get OS X running on old world machines:
http://homepage.mac.com/RyanRempel/OldWorld/Instructions.html

Ryan's also the guy that wrote the L2cache config utility.  It works pretty
well, I've gotten that same results with it as I have with XLR8's and
Powerlogic's.  

Couple notes to hopefully make your life easier.

You said that you have a TwinTurbo.  I don't remember if the clones had
built in video or not.  If it does and you're only running 1 monitor, you
may need to connect either a monitor or monitor adapter to the built in
video.  With some of the apple branded machines, there has been problems
with kernal panics on boot with no monitor hooked to the built in video.
Having the adapter on makes the machine think there's something hooked up to
it.  So you're technically running in a dual monitor mode even though you
actually only have one.  When booting into X, have a little patience with
the monitor connected to the TwinTurbo.  It doesn't turn on monitor's off of
the built in until shortly into the boot cycle.  I think it takes about
20-30 seconds after hitting the power key for my monitor that's on my
voodoo3 to come out of sleep.  With OS 9, it comes on right away.   Built in
does turn on right away though.

The other thing that really gave me fits was that OS X didn't like to be on
scsi bus 0 with my upgrade card in.  Seems there's some sort of conflict
there, probably something with the timings.  If I put in the old 604e it
would boot or if I put os x on either scsi bus 1 or on my pci ide
controller.

Good luck if you try it.


Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 6/7/01 12:09 AM, "Ben Hines" <bh...@al...> wrote:

> At 10:53 PM -0700 6/6/01, Lark wrote:
>> 
>> But here's an idea for a platform-independent GUI - the web! Make a
>> CGI out of the scanner, implement the GUI as forms: bingo, eScribia.
>> Of course we'd keep all data on the server, so we can check how
>> everybody is training :-)
> 
> <RANT>
> 
> ehhh, web-based apps bug me. They are slow and not user-friendly. No
> matter how nice of a web form you make and how fast of a connection
> you have, it will never be as good as a real native application.
> Example: Web-based email vs. Eudora.
> Example: Newsgroups (MTNW) vs. Web message boards.
> the list goes on.
> 
> And with the way things are headed these days, it turns out the main
> advantage of making a webbased app - platform independence - is being
> thrown out the window by developers who write for IE Windows only.
> What idiots.  So now they have writted a crippled app - confined to a
> browser window on a single platform that cant use your nice
> 2000-generation OS features - and the only advantage is you dont have
> to install it. But whats the point of that when everyone has 20 gigs
> of free HD space and DSL connections? Clueless.
> 
> </RANT>
 
I've never been a huge fan of web based apps either.  They're mainly slow
and a pain like Ben ranted about.  Plus, my log folder is up to about 102
megs now.  I can't picture trying to send that much back and forth over the
web.  It'd take super fast scanner and turn it into Scribus's crippled old
grandfather.  

Probably the easiest cross platform solution would be to do it in Java.  But
I don't know if you can generate the scanner for it.  If its possible to, I
could probably bang out a UI for it fairly quickly.  I've had to do a bunch
of swing stuff the last 2 semesters, so I'm getting pretty good with it.



> I believe someone already has a web based CL stat tracker. He was
> asking for all the trainers a few months back. I didnt send him our
> list since i didnt want to encourage the competition and because i
> think webbased apps suck. :)

I haven't seen one that actually scans the logs.  Just sites that let you
enter what you have as a record storage facility.  Which to me seems totally
pointless.  


Consolidating from the other thread:

> Adding a GUI to the scanner wasn't a huge amount of work, it just
> takes a while when one does it in their spare time, and is not a
> professional programmer. Perhaps I could learn one of the new
> OSX/Un*x/Windows frameworks (are there free ones?) by porting scribia
> to it.

Don't know about Un*x or window frameworks.  For os x, the only one that's
really new is Cocoa.  That I've seen so far at least.  Everything else is
just the carbon versions of the old ones, like powerplant.  Cocoa's not that
bad to learn.  I just started in with it.  Its set up and works a lot like
Swing if you have any experience in it.  Only problem with it right now
though is no C++.  Has to be done in either java or objective-C.  Which
falls into the problem of needing a flex compiler for it.



Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

At 10:53 PM -0700 6/6/01, Lark wrote:
>
>But here's an idea for a platform-independent GUI - the web! Make a 
>CGI out of the scanner, implement the GUI as forms: bingo, eScribia. 
>Of course we'd keep all data on the server, so we can check how 
>everybody is training :-)

<RANT>

ehhh, web-based apps bug me. They are slow and not user-friendly. No 
matter how nice of a web form you make and how fast of a connection 
you have, it will never be as good as a real native application.
Example: Web-based email vs. Eudora.
Example: Newsgroups (MTNW) vs. Web message boards.
the list goes on.

And with the way things are headed these days, it turns out the main 
advantage of making a webbased app - platform independence - is being 
thrown out the window by developers who write for IE Windows only. 
What idiots.  So now they have writted a crippled app - confined to a 
browser window on a single platform that cant use your nice 
2000-generation OS features - and the only advantage is you dont have 
to install it. But whats the point of that when everyone has 20 gigs 
of free HD space and DSL connections? Clueless.

</RANT>

I believe someone already has a web based CL stat tracker. He was 
asking for all the trainers a few months back. I didnt send him our 
list since i didnt want to encourage the competition and because i 
think webbased apps suck. :)

-Ben
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[Scribia-dev] wow, thats ugly

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

Ok...

Scribia 68k Debug runs on my Centris 610, with OS **7.6** and no 
Carbonlib installed (obviously). Its not too fast at scanning, but it 
ran, and scanned 36 MB of logs with no crash! in fact, other than the 
time it took to scan, performance in the app was perfectly 
acceptible, and i was not able to crash it by playing around with the 
gui.

Lark if you can narrow down a particular logfile 68k crashes on go 
ahead and send it over.

(as an aside, the 7.6 finder on my stock C610 is much more responsive 
than the 8.6 finder on my PB1400)

Lark, do you have Drue's email address, so we can try to figure out 
his problem? "scribia doesnt work" is not a very good bug report. 
What happens?

But man - that appearance thing IS pretty damned ugly. Why didnt you 
tell me. :) The white/gray thing is completely invisible on my 8.6 
LCD screen, for some reason, so i didnt consider it a big problem.

Also all the text fields are showing as white and the background 
behind them is gray.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 10:18 PM -0700 6/6/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>No, unfortunately. I think there is a commercial solution for PP on 
>Windows, but nothing free. There are other frameworks that do that 
>job, but powerplant is not one of them.

Sucks. (Bing - two peppers.)

>Adding a GUI to the scanner wasnt a huge amount of work, it just 
>takes a while when one does it in their spare time, and is not a 
>professional programmer. Perhaps i could learn one of the new 
>OSX/Un*x/Windows frameworks (are there free ones?) by porting 
>scribia to it.

I don't know any. On Unix, it's pretty much Motif - or Gtk these days.

But here's an idea for a platform-independent GUI - the web! Make a 
CGI out of the scanner, implement the GUI as forms: bingo, eScribia. 
Of course we'd keep all data on the server, so we can check how 
everybody is training :-)
-- 
Lark <lar...@ya...>

Re: [Scribia-dev] committed

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 10:11 PM -0700 6/6/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>After how long? It did fine here on 18 megs of logs - over 750 hours 
>of playtime. (well, it was mostly one 500k log, just recopied about 
>60 times) Perhaps there is a particular rule that crashes it?

Real quick. I'll see if I can reproduce it.

>By the way, VERY USEFUL thing that someone could do would be to make 
>a FAT Suite Logfile - (functional acceptance test in QA-speak) which 
>satisfies each rule in Scribia.l at least once and fills in 
>everything in the GUI for testing.

Oooh. Good thinking. I thought about doing it including an example 
log line in the scanner as "documentation" for each rule. Having them 
in a separate file would  be great.

>Ack. USB works fine in macsbug on newer macs.  I know, i use it all 
>day at work. :)
>You are kinda running a monster over there :)

Yep. That's why any instabilities may very well be due to the 
machine. (Like the 68k crash.)
-- 
Lark <lar...@ya...>

Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

At 9:15 AM -0700 6/6/01, Lark wrote:
>Unfortunately, work insists of buying me PC laptops. Nice to run 
>FreeBSD, but I'd rather have thenm buy me a TiBook. Anyone have 
>contacts at Apple for academic donations of hardware? We do good 
>research :-)


Considering that FreeBSD apps run on OSX with very little 
modification, (cool site - http://ptf.com/tdc/  ) one would think 
they would not care if you just need a UNIX machine.  And of course, 
your TiBook would probably cause them LESS support headaches than the 
PC one. Ah well.

>That means, however, that I'm very interested in a Windows port of 
>Scribia once the CL version is out there. CW should support x86 code 
>generation, does PP run there?


No, unfortunately. I think there is a commercial solution for PP on 
Windows, but nothing free. There are other frameworks that do that 
job, but powerplant is not one of them.

Adding a GUI to the scanner wasnt a huge amount of work, it just 
takes a while when one does it in their spare time, and is not a 
professional programmer. Perhaps i could learn one of the new 
OSX/Un*x/Windows frameworks (are there free ones?) by porting scribia 
to it.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] committed

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

At 9:25 AM -0700 6/6/01, Lark wrote:
>At 10:22 PM -0700 6/3/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>>   - New 68k build.
>
>It builds - but when I run it, it crashes hard after a while in 
>scanning (on my G3, so it runs in emulation.) Could be a problem 
>with some compiler settings? Too much global data? (The scanner 
>tables are rather large.)


After how long? It did fine here on 18 megs of logs - over 750 hours 
of playtime. (well, it was mostly one 500k log, just recopied about 
60 times) Perhaps there is a particular rule that crashes it?

If not, i dont think its a showstopper crash - even 18 megs of logs 
takes a long time to scan with the 68k build. If it only happens if 
you scan 90 megs of logs, then we can say "dont scan 90 megs of logs, 
it will take all day anyway". :) Can you do it in parts?

I'll give scribia a go on my trusty centris 610..

By the way, VERY USEFUL thing that someone could do would be to make 
a FAT Suite Logfile - (functional acceptance test in QA-speak) which 
satisfies each rule in Scribia.l at least once and fills in 
everything in the GUI for testing. Maybe Cygnus would like to do 
that? Basically a logfile which has at least "one of everything" in 
it. And all variants of each thing. (3 different types of departs, 
for example)

>PS: </rant on> USB support sucks! What good is having a USB card, 
>keyboard and mouse if they aren't supported in MacsBug? </rant off> 
>My ADB port on the motherboard is broken...


Ack. USB works fine in macsbug on newer macs.  I know, i use it all 
day at work. :)
You are kinda running a monster over there :)

>PPS: Eudora gives me two hot peppers in the language filter for my 
>use of the word "sucks".


Cool. I should upgrade to the hot-pepper version, but i got annoyed 
about the adware thing.

Dunno about the carbon crashing business, as i dont have an OSX 
machine to test. Might have to wait till next month unless someone 
else knows how to debug with OSX.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 6/6/01 9:15 AM, "Lark" <lar...@ya...> wrote:

> At 12:38 AM -0700 6/6/01, Cygnus wrote:
>> BTW, anyone else running X?  The flex pluggin isn't doesn't show up for =
me
>> when running codewarrior natively.  Have to either boot into 9 or launch=
 as
>> a classic app to compile scribia.l
>=20
> I'm not sure my souped-up Mac clone is supported. (It has a G3
> upgrade card, an Adaptec SCSI card, and a no-name USB card. And I
> probably need to replace its ancient IMX TwinTurbo with something
> from ATI.)
>=20
> Unfortunately, work insists of buying me PC laptops. Nice to run
> FreeBSD, but I'd rather have thenm buy me a TiBook. Anyone have
> contacts at Apple for academic donations of hardware? We do good
> research :-)
>=20
> That means, however, that I'm very interested in a Windows port of
> Scribia once the CL version is out there. CW should support x86 code
> generation, does PP run there?


There's a chance you can get it running.  Its not a straight install from
the CDs though.  You have to do some witchcraft. =3D)  I'll look up the URL
for the instructions on how to install os x on old world machines when I ge=
t
home from work and send it out.  It wasn't too hard to do, but there is a
couple hang ups in it.  It mainly takes adding a couple kexts from darwin
into the install of X to give support for the old motherboards.

I'm in a similar situation to you in that I'm running an 8600 with a G4
card, usb, IDE controller and a voodoo3 in it.  OS X works pretty well once
I figured out a quirk in it.  Only thing that sucks is not having any
drivers for the voodoo3 card.  CL's right on the edge of being unplayable
for me in os x.  The redraw of the play screen is a little jumpy.  Not bad
for short play times, but when I'm going to be on for awhile I have to boot
into 9 to avoid a headache.

BTW, I've seen mostly positive result of people with the TwinTurbo.   I
think it might actually be supported.  But I'm not positive.  ATI cards are
really picky.  A lot of people with them are getting kernal panics at start
up.  Seems that if you don't have an OEM board, your our of luck and if you
do have an OEM board, you have about a 50/50 shot.  Or at least that=B9s the
way it sounds from everything I've seen.


Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

[Scribia-dev] bug tracker

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

I've added some (most?) of the open bugs into the tracker at SF. Please 
update stuff there when you fix our find things in the future.

Thanks,
Lark

Re: [Scribia-dev] committed

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 10:22 PM -0700 6/3/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>   - New 68k build.

It builds - but when I run it, it crashes hard after a while in 
scanning (on my G3, so it runs in emulation.) Could be a problem with 
some compiler settings? Too much global data? (The scanner tables are 
rather large.)

PS: </rant on> USB support sucks! What good is having a USB card, 
keyboard and mouse if they aren't supported in MacsBug? </rant off> 
My ADB port on the motherboard is broken...

PPS: Eudora gives me two hot peppers in the language filter for my 
use of the word "sucks".
-- 
Lark <lar...@ya...>

Re: [Scribia-dev] Depart and share bugs

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 11:39 PM -0700 6/5/01, Ben Hines wrote:
>AHA! CVS BLAME command rules. :)
>
>1.51         (lark     05-Jun-01): DEPART	("Your"|"This is the 
>first time your")" spirit has departed your body."
>
>^^^^^ Oops, lark added a period to the end of the depart scan string 
>on 5-Jun-01. There is no period for the more common "Your spirit has 
>departed your body 298 times.",  so this broke.

Lessons learned:

(1) Never check in a "trivial" change without testing.
(2) Never generate test cases from scanner patterns instead of logs.
-- 
Lark <lar...@ya...>

Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 12:38 AM -0700 6/6/01, Cygnus wrote:
>BTW, anyone else running X?  The flex pluggin isn't doesn't show up for me
>when running codewarrior natively.  Have to either boot into 9 or launch as
>a classic app to compile scribia.l

I'm not sure my souped-up Mac clone is supported. (It has a G3 
upgrade card, an Adaptec SCSI card, and a no-name USB card. And I 
probably need to replace its ancient IMX TwinTurbo with something 
from ATI.)

Unfortunately, work insists of buying me PC laptops. Nice to run 
FreeBSD, but I'd rather have thenm buy me a TiBook. Anyone have 
contacts at Apple for academic donations of hardware? We do good 
research :-)

That means, however, that I'm very interested in a Windows port of 
Scribia once the CL version is out there. CW should support x86 code 
generation, does PP run there?
-- 
Lark <lar...@ya...>

Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 6/6/01 12:01 AM, "Cygnus" <cy...@po...> wrote:

> Just built the carbon debug build and I'm getting the same thing.  Closing
> the window and reopening seems to get everything activated.  Running on 9.1
> with carbonlib 1.3.
> 
> Gonna boot into os x now to see how it looks and runs in it.

Looks like 20 min. may have been way to easy.  I can't get the carbondebug
to run for me under os x.  It bounces 3 or 4 times in the dock then quits.
I'll try to get the carbon final built and try it, but I'm not sure if I
have enough memory.  Only have 170 megs and Lark said something about
needing or it taking 256.  Maybe the virtual memory under X will get it
done.

BTW, anyone else running X?  The flex pluggin isn't doesn't show up for me
when running codewarrior natively.  Have to either boot into 9 or launch as
a classic app to compile scribia.l

Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] Depart and share bugs

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

At 9:17 PM -0700 6/5/01, Cygnus wrote:
>
>Other thing is that the average and max. share info is not being saved.  It
>shows up after scanning a log, but if you close the window and then reopen
>it, all the values are back to zero.


Ok, fixed that one too. The share info was being saved, just not read 
back in. So really functionally, it was not being saved. :)

Some ideas i had tonight for additions:

- saving of window size/position (per document basis?)

and (more effort):
- add more menus (columns) to the menu based views if the user wants 
to enlarge the window horizontally.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 6/5/01 11:25 PM, "Ben Hines" <bh...@al...> wrote:

> On my 1400, with the carbon build only, after i scan a log, most of
> the controls in the document window remain disabled. Anyone else
> seeing this? I am running the super-newest carbonlib - 1.4a3c1, so it
> could be a problem with that.
> 

Just built the carbon debug build and I'm getting the same thing.  Closing
the window and reopening seems to get everything activated.  Running on 9.1
with carbonlib 1.3.

Gonna boot into os x now to see how it looks and runs in it.



Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] Depart and share bugs

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

At 9:17 PM -0700 6/5/01, Cygnus wrote:
>Just got the latest submissions.  It looks like one of the changes made
>broke the recording of departs.  They're no longer being show.  The build I
>had from Sunday night does show them.


AHA! CVS BLAME command rules. :)

1.51         (lark     05-Jun-01): DEPART	("Your"|"This is the 
first time your")" spirit has departed your body."


^^^^^ Oops, lark added a period to the end of the depart scan string 
on 5-Jun-01. There is no period for the more common "Your spirit has 
departed your body 298 times.",  so this broke.

>
>Other thing is that the average and max. share info is not being saved.  It
>shows up after scanning a log, but if you close the window and then reopen
>it, all the values are back to zero.


Looking at that one now.

-Ben
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Depart and share bugs

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

At 9:17 PM -0700 6/5/01, Cygnus wrote:
>Just got the latest submissions.  It looks like one of the changes made
>broke the recording of departs.  They're no longer being show.  The build I
>had from Sunday night does show them.

Hm. I made some simple changes, but they work on my end.

If you scan these lines, do the departs show up?

6/5/01 8:46:25p Your spirit has departed your body.
6/5/01 8:46:25p This is the first time your spirit has departed your body.

-- 
Lark <lar...@ya...>

[Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

On my 1400, with the carbon build only, after i scan a log, most of 
the controls in the document window remain disabled. Anyone else 
seeing this? I am running the super-newest carbonlib - 1.4a3c1, so it 
could be a problem with that.

Does not happen with the PPC build.

Oh Well. Figured 20 minutes was "Too easy" for the carbon port. :/

-Ben
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[Scribia-dev] Depart and share bugs

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

Just got the latest submissions.  It looks like one of the changes made
broke the recording of departs.  They're no longer being show.  The build I
had from Sunday night does show them.

Other thing is that the average and max. share info is not being saved.  It
shows up after scanning a log, but if you close the window and then reopen
it, all the values are back to zero.



Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
And drink fifteen pints of beer                 -   Shane MacGowen

Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbonized

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 6/5/01 3:20 PM, "Ben Hines" <bh...@al...> wrote:

> Carbonized Scribia (got it building, anyway) in about 20 mins.
> Since we are all-powerplant, basically all the work has been done.
> 
> However it is not yet tested on MacOS X, as i dont have it yet.  I
> expect the interface to have a few problems in Aqua. Possibly
> horrible problems. :)
> 

I'm running os X now, so I'll download the new source later and try it out.
Hopefully there are not UI problems with it.  I'll let you know how it goes.


>> PPS: Should we enter these bugs into the tracker on sourceforge, so
>> they don't slip through the cracks?
> 
> 
> Sure, good idear.

Yeah, good idea.  Also makes it easier so the same things aren't reported
over and over.  Probably a good idea to keep posting them to the list also
so that they're still know right away when found.

Another item to mix in.  In the couple views that have the pop up menus for
the columns, like the kill view, is it possible to have it so that if you
select the item that's already selected for a column, that it sorts by it?
Right now if I want to sort by say help vanq, I have to select another item
and then go back to helped vanq. In order to have the view sorted by it.


Cygnus
cy...@po...

_________________________________________________________________
Oh the words that he spoke
Seemed the wisest of philosophies
There's nothing ever gained
By a wet thing called a tear
When the world is too dark
And I need the light inside of me
I'll walk into a bar
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Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbonized

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

>
>By the way, i have no problems with the "Kills" column. If you still 
>do, nuke your prefs file and they should show up.

Ah, you said falls, not kills. Yes, they look ok now too.

-Ben
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[Scribia-dev] Carbonized

[Ben H. <bh...@al...>]

Carbonized Scribia (got it building, anyway) in about 20 mins. 
Since we are all-powerplant, basically all the work has been done.

However it is not yet tested on MacOS X, as i dont have it yet.  I 
expect the interface to have a few problems in Aqua. Possibly 
horrible problems. :)

The main change was that MNU Carbon.lib has to be added to the carbon 
target so we can use  the metronubutils debugging stuff. (also it 
needed the WASTE path added, and build order for Scribia.l put before 
the lex c file)
Also there were about 3 changes in the code and prefix involving stddialogs vs
navservices, but that was about it!


I uploaded the new xml file.

By the way, i have no problems with the "Kills" column. If you still 
do, nuke your prefs file and they should show up.

-Ben

At 9:59 AM -0700 6/5/01, Lark wrote:
>
>PS: One thing I found is that the "total time clanning" is still off 
>from what is displayed in the debug view.


Ok i think i'll just get rid of Rifkin's little Timefield and use the 
same code that we have for the debug view. (the problem is somewhere 
in the communication with that.) That will solve that problem, but 
its less maclike i suppose...

>PPS: Should we enter these bugs into the tracker on sourceforge, so 
>they don't slip through the cracks?


Sure, good idear.


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Re: [Scribia-dev] Few more items

[Lark <lar...@ya...>]

Cygnus wrote:

> No I don't.  Right now I only have the ppc debug build made with what was
> submitted as of about 1 am on Monday.  I also rescanned all my logs into new
> data files for both my fighter and my mystic and trashed my prefs.  So I
> shouldn't have any contamination from old versions.


OK, then that's not it.

Anonymous karma received (there is no given) is counted for the virtual 
exile "(Somebody)" now.

Falls fixed as described earlier.

Trainer messages I have not looked into yet. Note that you only see the 
trainer message when scanning one log if you gained a rank for that 
trainer *and* you talked to him/her. (I'm not sure why I made this 
decision, it may make sense to not care if you got a rank or not.)

Lark

PS: One thing I found is that the "total time clanning" is still off 
from what is displayed in the debug view.

PPS: Should we enter these bugs into the tracker on sourceforge, so they 
don't slip through the cracks?

Re: [Scribia-dev] Few more items

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 6/4/01 11:38 PM, "Lark" <lar...@ya...> wrote:

> Do you have multiple versions of Scribia built? I see similar strange
> things when I open new data files with an old build or vice versa.
> 

No I don't.  Right now I only have the ppc debug build made with what was
submitted as of about 1 am on Monday.  I also rescanned all my logs into new
data files for both my fighter and my mystic and trashed my prefs.  So I
shouldn't have any contamination from old versions.


> As for the falls, this really is a bug. The GUI is displaying a
> different (and empty) data column than the scanner uses to store the
> fallen counters. I'll commit an update soon (i.e. after testing in a
> few minutes.)

BTW, everything that I report I check with both my fighter and mystic log
scans.  


Cygnus
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