Re: [Scribia-dev] Carbon build probs

[Cygnus <cy...@po...>]

On 6/7/01 12:09 AM, "Ben Hines" <bh...@al...> wrote:

> At 10:53 PM -0700 6/6/01, Lark wrote:
>> 
>> But here's an idea for a platform-independent GUI - the web! Make a
>> CGI out of the scanner, implement the GUI as forms: bingo, eScribia.
>> Of course we'd keep all data on the server, so we can check how
>> everybody is training :-)
> 
> <RANT>
> 
> ehhh, web-based apps bug me. They are slow and not user-friendly. No
> matter how nice of a web form you make and how fast of a connection
> you have, it will never be as good as a real native application.
> Example: Web-based email vs. Eudora.
> Example: Newsgroups (MTNW) vs. Web message boards.
> the list goes on.
> 
> And with the way things are headed these days, it turns out the main
> advantage of making a webbased app - platform independence - is being
> thrown out the window by developers who write for IE Windows only.
> What idiots.  So now they have writted a crippled app - confined to a
> browser window on a single platform that cant use your nice
> 2000-generation OS features - and the only advantage is you dont have
> to install it. But whats the point of that when everyone has 20 gigs
> of free HD space and DSL connections? Clueless.
> 
> </RANT>
 
I've never been a huge fan of web based apps either.  They're mainly slow
and a pain like Ben ranted about.  Plus, my log folder is up to about 102
megs now.  I can't picture trying to send that much back and forth over the
web.  It'd take super fast scanner and turn it into Scribus's crippled old
grandfather.  

Probably the easiest cross platform solution would be to do it in Java.  But
I don't know if you can generate the scanner for it.  If its possible to, I
could probably bang out a UI for it fairly quickly.  I've had to do a bunch
of swing stuff the last 2 semesters, so I'm getting pretty good with it.



> I believe someone already has a web based CL stat tracker. He was
> asking for all the trainers a few months back. I didnt send him our
> list since i didnt want to encourage the competition and because i
> think webbased apps suck. :)

I haven't seen one that actually scans the logs.  Just sites that let you
enter what you have as a record storage facility.  Which to me seems totally
pointless.  


Consolidating from the other thread:

> Adding a GUI to the scanner wasn't a huge amount of work, it just
> takes a while when one does it in their spare time, and is not a
> professional programmer. Perhaps I could learn one of the new
> OSX/Un*x/Windows frameworks (are there free ones?) by porting scribia
> to it.

Don't know about Un*x or window frameworks.  For os x, the only one that's
really new is Cocoa.  That I've seen so far at least.  Everything else is
just the carbon versions of the old ones, like powerplant.  Cocoa's not that
bad to learn.  I just started in with it.  Its set up and works a lot like
Swing if you have any experience in it.  Only problem with it right now
though is no C++.  Has to be done in either java or objective-C.  Which
falls into the problem of needing a flex compiler for it.



Cygnus
cy...@po...

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