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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2003-04-23 15:22:23
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:14:36 +0530 (IST) ve...@vs... wrote: > The Patiala workshop seems to have been extremely productive. > another way of taking things forward would be the online workshop > that Karunakar is planning on localization. Please contact > Kar...@in... for details. > This wont be a workshop in strict sense, but an online meet on IRC irc.gimp.org #indlinux We are having lot of fruitful discussions there nowadays. Once I have the bot up, will make available the chat archives online. Regards, Karunakar -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.Discover." - Mark Twain --------------------------- * Indian Linux project * * http://www.indlinux.org * --------------------------- |
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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-04-23 12:45:14
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The Patiala workshop seems to have been extremely productive. another way of taking things forward would be the online workshop that Karunakar is planning on localization. Please contact Kar...@in... for details.
I'd also like to gauge the interest of this group in attending a Linux Localization workshop. If there is a good deal of interest, Prakash, Karunakar and I can organize one in Mumbai.
I look forward to hearing from the group.
Regards,
Venky
=====
ta...@ya... wrote
This seems like a very productive workshop. I hope you can corrall some
of the enthousiasm into progress...
Karunakar, Venky et al. seem to be needing volunteers / programmers for
IndLinux, translation and also some programming. And Koshy has had had
a dearth of adequate volunteer help also on several Indic efforts...
Anyway, I am glad the enthousiasm is growing, and I am sure we are
almost to the point where it can be coordinated and directed properly...
-- Tapan
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:33:43 +0530
LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> wrote:
> dear all,
>
> just back from the seminar/talk i conducted at the Thapar Institute of
>
> Engineering and Technology (TIET), in patiala, punjab.
>
> the talk was held on friday, 18th april 2003.
> i think about 70 participants attended.
>
> initially scheduled for 4 hours, during the discussions in november,
> it came down to 2 hours, and then finally, due to some timing
> confusions and overlaps, i only got about 1 hour and 15 minutes.
>
> which was sufficient.
>
> topics:
> + the state of indian languages, and how they are rapidly dying.
> + the 'indian language mess' in encodings, standards, technology.
> + a brief overview of unicode.
> + a brief overview of opentype.
> + how/why both these are important and suitable for indic languages.
> + some limitations of them.
> + a hands-on demo of indic support under winXP using raghu font and
> hindi.+ a first-look at pfaEdit under gnuLinux and how it can be used
> to design otf.+ beyond indic font design: a punjabilinux (punjalinux?)
> gnuLinux distro, indic language technologies such as OCR,
> text-to-speech, speech-to-text, search engines, translation engines,
> and other similar projects.
>
> + a call for volunteers, supporters, enthusiasts, to jump in and take
> it into their hands to solve the 'indic language mess'.
>
> + for the linuxnewbies: a brief talk on gnulinux, knoppix, and what
> are the freedoms that the gnu GPL delivers. and the importance of
> gnuLinux-based solutions for indic languages.
>
> results:
> + several students and faculty volunteered to devote time, resources
> to indic language development, and towards development of other
> projects that demand software skills.
>
> + the faculty members promised to create and nurture more academic
> projects for students, focussed on indic computing. [for example,
> undergrad, grad, postgrad, and ph.d projects]
>
> beyond the seminar:
>
> + Dr. Gurpreet Singh Lehal, an assistant professor at TIET, and chief
> Investigator, resource centre for indian language technology solutions
>
> {project funded by Min of IT} is an amazing resource, as follows:
> he has done a Ph.D in his work on a Gurmukhi OCR. he demoed it to me,
> and i was quite impressed with its rather fast processing speed, and
> the way it handles tough images with noise and rotation issues. the
> OCR however, cannot handle really challenging stuff like gurmukhi
> scriptures on old-stock paper, but is getting there.
> he heads a fantastic laboratory at TIET on indian languages, funded by
> the Min of IT, he confirmed the TDIL. under the aegis of this lab,
> apart from the gurmukhi OCR, alongwith his team, research students, he
> has also spearheaded the creation of an impressive website that
> teaches newbies how to read and write gurmukhi. check it out at:
> punjabirc.tiet.ac.in
>
> the lab has also developed gurmukhi fonts, using fontographer. these
> are ttf fonts, *not* based on unicode. Dr Lehal pointed out several
> critical issues with unicode that are major stumbling blocks, and
> which have forced him to follow his own, non-standard, encoding, based
> loosely around ascii. i explained to him how unicode could greatly
> benefit the project, and how issues of gurmukhi could be easily
> tackled by communicating with the unicode consortium. he is open to
> the idea and wishes to explore this further.
>
> they are also working on a text to speech engine, a speech to text
> engine, a gurmukhi dictionary project, and several other exciting
> projects.
>
> he mentioned by May 31st, his work at the lab is coming to an end.
> thus he finds an urgent need to have an indic-language regional
> workshop on opentype, unicode, [much like the bangalore workshop i
> feel] organised, asap. i promised him we are working towards that.
> perhaps we must start working on this in earnest, probably holding it
> in delhi, at sarai, or at TIET, or wherever. a proper, 3-day workshop,
> make it 4 if we can throw in hinting.
>
> as usual, the font quality developed by the lab, though functional, is
> not professional quality, lacks hinting, and has various issues.
>
> i spent some time post-lunch at the lab, addressing queries from Dr
> Lehal's team, on various issues on font design, the placement of BCPs
> on the curve, hinting, the use of ligatures, metrics tables, and
> several other technical issues. this further heightened the need for
> otf with its much superior approach to the issues.
>
> okay, all the stuff done by Dr Lehal and his team is entirely based on
> win. all the licenses to their work are proprietory, nonfreedombased,
> and they wish to commercialize their work. Dr Lehal categorically
> mentioned that if given free (as in free lassi or free buttermilk)
> their work would not be appreciated.
>
> they are also working on a gurmukhi wordprocessor /editor, at which
> point i mentioned to them OpenOffice.org. they were not aware of the
> software suite, so i requested the network admin who is
> gnulinux-savvy, to download and install a copy of the software.
> briefed them also on the work of bharteeyaOO and how they are
> localizing Openoffice for indic. shared how the opensource community
> works, shares, grows, and how invaluable the contributions of the
> opensource, freesoftware world, is, to the growth of such things. Dr
> Lehal was quite impressed with this, and agreed to install gnuLinux,
> and start testing and using it, since he is already familiar with
> unix.
>
> am happy to note that Dr Lehal is always open to new and fresh ideas,
> and wishes to learn from the community and contribute to it. i request
> others to show and share.
>
> Dr Leha's email: gs...@ma...
>
>
> + Maninder Singh, Network Admin, TIET,
> is a veteran gnuLinux user and adept at both win and gnulinux.
> incidentally, TIET has dual-boot machines strewn across its campus,
> has even a high-end parallal computing lab, and loads of other
> impressive resources. i was impressed by maninder's high skill-levels
> with gnulinux, and yet rather disappointed by the lack of deeper
> awareness of gnulinux among the students and faculty members.
> discussed this with maninder. he immediately decided to launch a
> GnuLinux User Group in patiala, at the TIET. that's great news. i
> request all to support him whichever way you can.
>
> i briefed him about the commendable work done at IndLinux, by
> Bengalinux, and other localization efforts. He also promised he'd love
> to head and work a punjabi linux, and we joked we could call it
> PunjaLinux or something. :-) meanwhile, students who attended the
> lecture also volunteered to work on a Punjabi distro.
>
> Maninder also discussed with me possible topics for a Ph.D he wished
> to work on. suggested some ideas, related to indic, which he found
> quite enthralling. he also dicscovered how he could further delve into
> the research. however, i would rather leave it to him to announce his
> work, once he has finalized and formally enrolled for his Ph.D.
>
> + Seema Bawa,
> Head of Department, Computer Science 7 Engineering Dept, and Network
> Manager, who is also pursuing her Ph.D
> was quite motivated by the talk. as the H.O.D, she promised more
> projects will be initiated among the student community towards Indic
> computing, personally volunteered for any project she may find
> interesting, and also mentioned she would like me to conduct a similar
> talk/seminar at Gwalior. She is to get back to me with details. Am
> also going to forward this email to TIET, and hope at this point, she
> responds with the contact details.
>
> Misc:
> I noticed that through the day, students tend to converge to the
> newspaper stands near the entrance and reception of the computer lab,
> on the ground floor. I would keenly observe, of the english, hindi,
> and punjabi, newspapers, do students read the regional newspapers? and
> found an equal number of students did read the regional papers. so
> that's a healthy sign.
>
> as usual, i have taken some photos (but not enough) and once the roll
> is developed, will courier a cd as usual. perhaps vijay could then
> publish the photos to the indic website.
>
> acutely felt the need for a printed brochure, or a pdf, of indic
> computing consortium. it is difficult ot explain what ICC is to
> people. we also need a similar website, and must upload pictures and
> summaries and developments as they happen. so that people can distill
> how ICC is the umbrella to all indic computing developments, from
> fonts, localizations, software projects, etc.
>
> please get back to me immediately with your responses, so may forward
> them to patiala.
>
> [ and no, i did not try any patiala pegs, since i don't drink! ]
>
> :-)
> LL
>
>
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-04-23 10:26:47
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Su...@go... was mentioning to me his interest in GNU/Linux, when we ran into each other at Varsha Book Stall (my usual haunt on most evenings) the other day. I mentioned that his own brother, G Karunakar, had recently released Milan, a Hindi solution for Gnome. In no time, Subhash, who works with NIC in Goa, had downloaded Milan. It is a download of 1.5 MB, if one recalls right. Yesterday evening, Animesh and Subhash met at Cafe Prakash (another of our journo haunts in Panjim, a friendly hole-in-the-wall where you can sit for three hours over a single tea) and were talking about things. If we could get Milan into a demo-able stage for our coming Saturday's GNU/Linux free software meet, it would be great. Subhash says that he is not much into GNU/Linux himself, since NIC is working more into providing applications on the Windows platform. I think Milan works with RedHat 8.0 and 7.3. If anyone interested in this field would like to take this work ahead in Goa, please get in touch with su...@go... ba...@go... ar...@op... bb...@gm... Please don't overlook the fact that this is an important development for us in Goa. After all, the government-recognised script for Konkani is Devanagari. (We also need Kannada and Roman-script, including with the additional accents, solutions for Konkani... and also Malayalam and Perso-Arabic script solutions. These are all the scripts this small language with an estimated 1.5 to 5 million speakers is written in.) FN -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-23 09:25:47
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noticed the indic homepage does not mention the march 2k3 workshop, with the event, report, photos, further references, etc. would be nice if this could be up, as i expect lots more people to jump into indic computing over the next few weeks. vijay has the photos, and he already created a summary report. just needs to be uploaded. the cd contained a list of further refernces and urls. we could also create a sub category of regional events, and then mention the patiala event, and other events that are being coordinated in other parts of the country simultaneously. :-) LL |
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-23 09:21:34
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shortly after the march 2k3 bangalore workshop, noticed someone posted a mail on ibm publishing a huge set of reference material on indic computing. anyone knows the url? LL |
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-23 08:54:38
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> Yup, this I learnt in past one yr - how to involve students > effectively :). > > For time being I can jot down tasks for Punjabi localization, by > weekend. Then will do the other broader ones > > Regards, > Karunakar good. which is why i recommended you, since i know you would pre-empt multi-task on this with me, even before i uttered the words!!! :-) would strongly suggest you do visit the TIET website and understand in detail the work they have already done, and how it can be brought into the mainstream and further standardized and improved and evolved. i would also recommend the people at TIET to whom this email is cc-ed, to rather subscribe to the indic-computing-users mailing list, and inform us of the same, so we may all work more efficiently. :-) LL |
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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2003-04-23 08:15:26
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:16:22 +0530 LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> wrote: > On Wednesday 23 April 2003 05:57 > > in the above-dated indic mail, venky hariharan and fred note people > are required for the mozilla localization effort. [mozilla:an > opensource web browser that runs on several platforms. . .] > > tapan writes koshy [co-founder of several projects on indic > computing] needs assistants, karunakar [of IndLinux] needs helping > hands. > > i propose the following: write a consolidated mail, preferably > written and compiled by karunakar, on the projects, people+skillsets > requirements, time-period, as internships, or on projects, for the > college students. > Yep, I was planning this anyways, though there are some projects/tasks which we havent got into detail level & need more exploration on what all needs to be done & how much time it would take. > make this into a short, time-frame college project. do understand > that the students probably have their examinations coming up. those > students interested could then sign in, and inform us when they'll > be free, how much time they can devote. please give them short, > meaningful, achievable, deliverable goals. under proper guidance. > Yup, this I learnt in past one yr - how to involve students effectively :). > i suggest karunakar could then send this email to the contact > details provided in the email on the patiala report. > > am cc-ing this email to Dr Lehel, Seema Bawa, and Maninder Singh, of > TIET's computer science deptt as well. > For time being I can jot down tasks for Punjabi localization, by weekend. Then will do the other broader ones Regards, Karunakar -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.Discover." - Mark Twain --------------------------- * Indian Linux project * * http://www.indlinux.org * --------------------------- |
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-23 07:49:23
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On Wednesday 23 April 2003 05:57 in the above-dated indic mail, venky hariharan and fred note people are required for the mozilla localization effort. [mozilla:an opensource web browser that runs on several platforms. . .] tapan writes koshy [co-founder of several projects on indic computing] needs assistants, karunakar [of IndLinux] needs helping hands. i propose the following: write a consolidated mail, preferably written and compiled by karunakar, on the projects, people+skillsets requirements, time-period, as internships, or on projects, for the college students. make this into a short, time-frame college project. do understand that the students probably have their examinations coming up. those students interested could then sign in, and inform us when they'll be free, how much time they can devote. please give them short, meaningful, achievable, deliverable goals. under proper guidance. i suggest karunakar could then send this email to the contact details provided in the email on the patiala report. am cc-ing this email to Dr Lehel, Seema Bawa, and Maninder Singh, of TIET's computer science deptt as well. :-) LL |
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From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-04-23 04:37:23
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--- Joseph Koshy <a_j...@ya...> wrote: > > Indix is a script rendering engine for X. > > What indlinux localises, indix can display. > > I'm not sure if it would work that way. > > What this means is > that an existing X client which works on other servers > is not guaranteed to work correctly under IndiX. Can you please list few clients which do not work with NCST IndiX? - Keyur __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-04-23 03:16:05
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Hi Koshy, What about Redhat latest distribution with Hindi (Milan?)? Does it follow NCST or Gnome? Which one I should go for? Rgds, Pavanaja > > Indix is a script rendering engine for X. > > What indlinux localises, indix can display. > > I'm not sure if it would work that way. > > The last I checked, NCST IndiX had deviated from the X protocol; the > text drawing tests in the X test suite run fail horribly when you run > the test suite against NCST IndiX. [This has already been covered on > the Indic lists in the past]. What this means is that an existing X > client which works on other servers is not guaranteed to work > correctly under IndiX. > > GNOME's Indic rendering is X protocol compliant and should work > with any X server. > > ===== > Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ > Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project > http://indic-computing.sf.net > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. > visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Indic-computing-users mailing list > http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/ > Ind...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-users > [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists: -devel, -standards, -announce] > > ---------------------------------------------------- - Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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From: Tapan S. P. <ta...@ya...> - 2003-04-23 00:26:36
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This seems like a very productive workshop. I hope you can corrall some
of the enthousiasm into progress...
Karunakar, Venky et al. seem to be needing volunteers / programmers for
IndLinux, translation and also some programming. And Koshy has had had
a dearth of adequate volunteer help also on several Indic efforts...
Anyway, I am glad the enthousiasm is growing, and I am sure we are
almost to the point where it can be coordinated and directed properly...
-- Tapan
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:33:43 +0530
LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> wrote:
> dear all,
>
> just back from the seminar/talk i conducted at the Thapar Institute of
>
> Engineering and Technology (TIET), in patiala, punjab.
>
> the talk was held on friday, 18th april 2003.
> i think about 70 participants attended.
>
> initially scheduled for 4 hours, during the discussions in november,
> it came down to 2 hours, and then finally, due to some timing
> confusions and overlaps, i only got about 1 hour and 15 minutes.
>
> which was sufficient.
>
> topics:
> + the state of indian languages, and how they are rapidly dying.
> + the 'indian language mess' in encodings, standards, technology.
> + a brief overview of unicode.
> + a brief overview of opentype.
> + how/why both these are important and suitable for indic languages.
> + some limitations of them.
> + a hands-on demo of indic support under winXP using raghu font and
> hindi.+ a first-look at pfaEdit under gnuLinux and how it can be used
> to design otf.+ beyond indic font design: a punjabilinux (punjalinux?)
> gnuLinux distro, indic language technologies such as OCR,
> text-to-speech, speech-to-text, search engines, translation engines,
> and other similar projects.
>
> + a call for volunteers, supporters, enthusiasts, to jump in and take
> it into their hands to solve the 'indic language mess'.
>
> + for the linuxnewbies: a brief talk on gnulinux, knoppix, and what
> are the freedoms that the gnu GPL delivers. and the importance of
> gnuLinux-based solutions for indic languages.
>
> results:
> + several students and faculty volunteered to devote time, resources
> to indic language development, and towards development of other
> projects that demand software skills.
>
> + the faculty members promised to create and nurture more academic
> projects for students, focussed on indic computing. [for example,
> undergrad, grad, postgrad, and ph.d projects]
>
> beyond the seminar:
>
> + Dr. Gurpreet Singh Lehal, an assistant professor at TIET, and chief
> Investigator, resource centre for indian language technology solutions
>
> {project funded by Min of IT} is an amazing resource, as follows:
> he has done a Ph.D in his work on a Gurmukhi OCR. he demoed it to me,
> and i was quite impressed with its rather fast processing speed, and
> the way it handles tough images with noise and rotation issues. the
> OCR however, cannot handle really challenging stuff like gurmukhi
> scriptures on old-stock paper, but is getting there.
> he heads a fantastic laboratory at TIET on indian languages, funded by
> the Min of IT, he confirmed the TDIL. under the aegis of this lab,
> apart from the gurmukhi OCR, alongwith his team, research students, he
> has also spearheaded the creation of an impressive website that
> teaches newbies how to read and write gurmukhi. check it out at:
> punjabirc.tiet.ac.in
>
> the lab has also developed gurmukhi fonts, using fontographer. these
> are ttf fonts, *not* based on unicode. Dr Lehal pointed out several
> critical issues with unicode that are major stumbling blocks, and
> which have forced him to follow his own, non-standard, encoding, based
> loosely around ascii. i explained to him how unicode could greatly
> benefit the project, and how issues of gurmukhi could be easily
> tackled by communicating with the unicode consortium. he is open to
> the idea and wishes to explore this further.
>
> they are also working on a text to speech engine, a speech to text
> engine, a gurmukhi dictionary project, and several other exciting
> projects.
>
> he mentioned by May 31st, his work at the lab is coming to an end.
> thus he finds an urgent need to have an indic-language regional
> workshop on opentype, unicode, [much like the bangalore workshop i
> feel] organised, asap. i promised him we are working towards that.
> perhaps we must start working on this in earnest, probably holding it
> in delhi, at sarai, or at TIET, or wherever. a proper, 3-day workshop,
> make it 4 if we can throw in hinting.
>
> as usual, the font quality developed by the lab, though functional, is
> not professional quality, lacks hinting, and has various issues.
>
> i spent some time post-lunch at the lab, addressing queries from Dr
> Lehal's team, on various issues on font design, the placement of BCPs
> on the curve, hinting, the use of ligatures, metrics tables, and
> several other technical issues. this further heightened the need for
> otf with its much superior approach to the issues.
>
> okay, all the stuff done by Dr Lehal and his team is entirely based on
> win. all the licenses to their work are proprietory, nonfreedombased,
> and they wish to commercialize their work. Dr Lehal categorically
> mentioned that if given free (as in free lassi or free buttermilk)
> their work would not be appreciated.
>
> they are also working on a gurmukhi wordprocessor /editor, at which
> point i mentioned to them OpenOffice.org. they were not aware of the
> software suite, so i requested the network admin who is
> gnulinux-savvy, to download and install a copy of the software.
> briefed them also on the work of bharteeyaOO and how they are
> localizing Openoffice for indic. shared how the opensource community
> works, shares, grows, and how invaluable the contributions of the
> opensource, freesoftware world, is, to the growth of such things. Dr
> Lehal was quite impressed with this, and agreed to install gnuLinux,
> and start testing and using it, since he is already familiar with
> unix.
>
> am happy to note that Dr Lehal is always open to new and fresh ideas,
> and wishes to learn from the community and contribute to it. i request
> others to show and share.
>
> Dr Leha's email: gs...@ma...
>
>
> + Maninder Singh, Network Admin, TIET,
> is a veteran gnuLinux user and adept at both win and gnulinux.
> incidentally, TIET has dual-boot machines strewn across its campus,
> has even a high-end parallal computing lab, and loads of other
> impressive resources. i was impressed by maninder's high skill-levels
> with gnulinux, and yet rather disappointed by the lack of deeper
> awareness of gnulinux among the students and faculty members.
> discussed this with maninder. he immediately decided to launch a
> GnuLinux User Group in patiala, at the TIET. that's great news. i
> request all to support him whichever way you can.
>
> i briefed him about the commendable work done at IndLinux, by
> Bengalinux, and other localization efforts. He also promised he'd love
> to head and work a punjabi linux, and we joked we could call it
> PunjaLinux or something. :-) meanwhile, students who attended the
> lecture also volunteered to work on a Punjabi distro.
>
> Maninder also discussed with me possible topics for a Ph.D he wished
> to work on. suggested some ideas, related to indic, which he found
> quite enthralling. he also dicscovered how he could further delve into
> the research. however, i would rather leave it to him to announce his
> work, once he has finalized and formally enrolled for his Ph.D.
>
> + Seema Bawa,
> Head of Department, Computer Science 7 Engineering Dept, and Network
> Manager, who is also pursuing her Ph.D
> was quite motivated by the talk. as the H.O.D, she promised more
> projects will be initiated among the student community towards Indic
> computing, personally volunteered for any project she may find
> interesting, and also mentioned she would like me to conduct a similar
> talk/seminar at Gwalior. She is to get back to me with details. Am
> also going to forward this email to TIET, and hope at this point, she
> responds with the contact details.
>
> Misc:
> I noticed that through the day, students tend to converge to the
> newspaper stands near the entrance and reception of the computer lab,
> on the ground floor. I would keenly observe, of the english, hindi,
> and punjabi, newspapers, do students read the regional newspapers? and
> found an equal number of students did read the regional papers. so
> that's a healthy sign.
>
> as usual, i have taken some photos (but not enough) and once the roll
> is developed, will courier a cd as usual. perhaps vijay could then
> publish the photos to the indic website.
>
> acutely felt the need for a printed brochure, or a pdf, of indic
> computing consortium. it is difficult ot explain what ICC is to
> people. we also need a similar website, and must upload pictures and
> summaries and developments as they happen. so that people can distill
> how ICC is the umbrella to all indic computing developments, from
> fonts, localizations, software projects, etc.
>
> please get back to me immediately with your responses, so may forward
> them to patiala.
>
> [ and no, i did not try any patiala pegs, since i don't drink! ]
>
> :-)
> LL
>
>
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-22 22:12:38
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dear all,
just back from the seminar/talk i conducted at the Thapar Institute of
Engineering and Technology (TIET), in patiala, punjab.
the talk was held on friday, 18th april 2003.
i think about 70 participants attended.
initially scheduled for 4 hours, during the discussions in november, it came
down to 2 hours, and then finally, due to some timing confusions and
overlaps, i only got about 1 hour and 15 minutes.
which was sufficient.
topics:
+ the state of indian languages, and how they are rapidly dying.
+ the 'indian language mess' in encodings, standards, technology.
+ a brief overview of unicode.
+ a brief overview of opentype.
+ how/why both these are important and suitable for indic languages.
+ some limitations of them.
+ a hands-on demo of indic support under winXP using raghu font and hindi.
+ a first-look at pfaEdit under gnuLinux and how it can be used to design otf.
+ beyond indic font design: a punjabilinux (punjalinux?) gnuLinux distro,
indic language technologies such as OCR, text-to-speech, speech-to-text,
search engines, translation engines, and other similar projects.
+ a call for volunteers, supporters, enthusiasts, to jump in and take it into
their hands to solve the 'indic language mess'.
+ for the linuxnewbies: a brief talk on gnulinux, knoppix, and what are the
freedoms that the gnu GPL delivers. and the importance of gnuLinux-based
solutions for indic languages.
results:
+ several students and faculty volunteered to devote time, resources to indic
language development, and towards development of other projects that demand
software skills.
+ the faculty members promised to create and nurture more academic projects
for students, focussed on indic computing. [for example, undergrad, grad,
postgrad, and ph.d projects]
beyond the seminar:
+ Dr. Gurpreet Singh Lehal, an assistant professor at TIET, and chief
Investigator, resource centre for indian language technology solutions
{project funded by Min of IT} is an amazing resource, as follows:
he has done a Ph.D in his work on a Gurmukhi OCR. he demoed it to me, and i
was quite impressed with its rather fast processing speed, and the way it
handles tough images with noise and rotation issues. the OCR however, cannot
handle really challenging stuff like gurmukhi scriptures on old-stock paper,
but is getting there.
he heads a fantastic laboratory at TIET on indian languages, funded by the
Min of IT, he confirmed the TDIL. under the aegis of this lab, apart from the
gurmukhi OCR, alongwith his team, research students, he has also spearheaded
the creation of an impressive website that teaches newbies how to read and
write gurmukhi. check it out at:
punjabirc.tiet.ac.in
the lab has also developed gurmukhi fonts, using fontographer. these are ttf
fonts, *not* based on unicode. Dr Lehal pointed out several critical issues
with unicode that are major stumbling blocks, and which have forced him to
follow his own, non-standard, encoding, based loosely around ascii. i
explained to him how unicode could greatly benefit the project, and how
issues of gurmukhi could be easily tackled by communicating with the unicode
consortium. he is open to the idea and wishes to explore this further.
they are also working on a text to speech engine, a speech to text engine, a
gurmukhi dictionary project, and several other exciting projects.
he mentioned by May 31st, his work at the lab is coming to an end. thus he
finds an urgent need to have an indic-language regional workshop on opentype,
unicode, [much like the bangalore workshop i feel] organised, asap. i
promised him we are working towards that. perhaps we must start working on
this in earnest, probably holding it in delhi, at sarai, or at TIET, or
wherever. a proper, 3-day workshop, make it 4 if we can throw in hinting.
as usual, the font quality developed by the lab, though functional, is not
professional quality, lacks hinting, and has various issues.
i spent some time post-lunch at the lab, addressing queries from Dr Lehal's
team, on various issues on font design, the placement of BCPs on the curve,
hinting, the use of ligatures, metrics tables, and several other technical
issues. this further heightened the need for otf with its much superior
approach to the issues.
okay, all the stuff done by Dr Lehal and his team is entirely based on win.
all the licenses to their work are proprietory, nonfreedombased, and they
wish to commercialize their work. Dr Lehal categorically mentioned that if
given free (as in free lassi or free buttermilk) their work would not be
appreciated.
they are also working on a gurmukhi wordprocessor /editor, at which point i
mentioned to them OpenOffice.org. they were not aware of the software suite,
so i requested the network admin who is gnulinux-savvy, to download and
install a copy of the software. briefed them also on the work of bharteeyaOO
and how they are localizing Openoffice for indic. shared how the opensource
community works, shares, grows, and how invaluable the contributions of the
opensource, freesoftware world, is, to the growth of such things. Dr Lehal
was quite impressed with this, and agreed to install gnuLinux, and start
testing and using it, since he is already familiar with unix.
am happy to note that Dr Lehal is always open to new and fresh ideas, and
wishes to learn from the community and contribute to it. i request others to
show and share.
Dr Leha's email: gs...@ma...
+ Maninder Singh, Network Admin, TIET,
is a veteran gnuLinux user and adept at both win and gnulinux. incidentally,
TIET has dual-boot machines strewn across its campus, has even a high-end
parallal computing lab, and loads of other impressive resources.
i was impressed by maninder's high skill-levels with gnulinux, and yet rather
disappointed by the lack of deeper awareness of gnulinux among the students
and faculty members. discussed this with maninder.
he immediately decided to launch a GnuLinux User Group in patiala, at the
TIET. that's great news. i request all to support him whichever way you can.
i briefed him about the commendable work done at IndLinux, by Bengalinux, and
other localization efforts. He also promised he'd love to head and work a
punjabi linux, and we joked we could call it PunjaLinux or something. :-)
meanwhile, students who attended the lecture also volunteered to work on a
Punjabi distro.
Maninder also discussed with me possible topics for a Ph.D he wished to work
on. suggested some ideas, related to indic, which he found quite enthralling.
he also dicscovered how he could further delve into the research. however, i
would rather leave it to him to announce his work, once he has finalized and
formally enrolled for his Ph.D.
+ Seema Bawa,
Head of Department, Computer Science 7 Engineering Dept, and Network Manager,
who is also pursuing her Ph.D
was quite motivated by the talk. as the H.O.D, she promised more projects
will be initiated among the student community towards Indic computing,
personally volunteered for any project she may find interesting, and also
mentioned she would like me to conduct a similar talk/seminar at Gwalior. She
is to get back to me with details. Am also going to forward this email to
TIET, and hope at this point, she responds with the contact details.
Misc:
I noticed that through the day, students tend to converge to the newspaper
stands near the entrance and reception of the computer lab, on the ground
floor. I would keenly observe, of the english, hindi, and punjabi,
newspapers, do students read the regional newspapers? and found an equal
number of students did read the regional papers. so that's a healthy sign.
as usual, i have taken some photos (but not enough) and once the roll is
developed, will courier a cd as usual. perhaps vijay could then publish the
photos to the indic website.
acutely felt the need for a printed brochure, or a pdf, of indic computing
consortium. it is difficult ot explain what ICC is to people. we also need a
similar website, and must upload pictures and summaries and developments as
they happen. so that people can distill how ICC is the umbrella to all indic
computing developments, from fonts, localizations, software projects, etc.
please get back to me immediately with your responses, so may forward them to
patiala.
[ and no, i did not try any patiala pegs, since i don't drink! ]
:-)
LL
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-22 22:12:38
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grr! what's the url of the indic computing website, of the indlinux punjabi project, and how does someone subscribe to them. would be nice if the homepages were part of the mailings. LL |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-04-22 18:18:37
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> Indix is a script rendering engine for X. > What indlinux localises, indix can display. I'm not sure if it would work that way. The last I checked, NCST IndiX had deviated from the X protocol; the text drawing tests in the X test suite run fail horribly when you run the test suite against NCST IndiX. [This has already been covered on the Indic lists in the past]. What this means is that an existing X client which works on other servers is not guaranteed to work correctly under IndiX. GNOME's Indic rendering is X protocol compliant and should work with any X server. ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-04-22 08:14:16
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Edward Cherlin wrote: > Translators, fonts, coders needed for full Indic support in > Mozilla. I'm talking to several groups of font developers about > this, including some at GNU-India working on the Akruti fonts. > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Re: Devanagari in Mozilla: some issues > Date: Friday 18 April 2003 08:45 pm > From: alo...@ma... (Alok Kumar) > To: moz...@mo... > > from ind...@li... > > We are looking for people to help us localize Mozilla to Indian > languages. Rediff has agreed to hire people for this and their > objective is to encourage the > penetration of the Internet in India. The programmers will work > closely with the IndLinux.org team to localize Mozilla and the > software thus developed will > be released in the public domain. This would be a good > opportunity for those passionate about Indian language > computing to work full-time in this area. The individuals > selected will work out of Rediff's Mumbai office. > > More details are below. Those interested are requested to write > to us at: ve...@in... and kar...@in... > > Regards, > > Venky > > > Mozilla Indianization > ============== > > 1) Goal: Enable Mozilla browser to display & handle indian > languages properly, with proper font technology available. > Localize Mozilla interface also to indian languages. > > 2) Project Requirements: All work done should be contributed > back to Mozilla codebase, so that it becomes part of it. > Solutions arrived at should make into main tree, rather than be > done as adhoc hacks / addons / patches. > > i) i18n part (involving changing mozilla codebase) : > a - Should be able to render Indian languages encoded in > Unicode/UTF-8 b - Use a standardized font technology - eg > OpenType. > c - Support any encodings standardized for a language eg ISCII, > TSCII, KSCLP (KGP) > > ii) l10n part (no code change - UI customization, translations > of UI and Help text): > a - Incorporate locale support (chrome level) > b - Translate Mozilla UI into indian languages > c - Making indianized mozilla theme - custom graphics, logos > > 3) Skill sets req > a - Knowlegde of at least two Indian languages - reading & > writing, script & language processing level 2.i & 2.ii.b > b - C, C++, XML, Java for 2.i > c - Graphics expertise for 2.ii.c > d - For translator - good vocabulary in English & at least one > Indian language, previous exp in translation also helpful. > e - Proj. mgmt skills, ability to work with volunteers > remotely, coordinate work through email/IM/group meetings. > f - Interest in localization and passion for having indian > languages on mozilla. > g - Work experience of 2-3 years in the IT industry > > Current status: > Mozilla supports Unicode, so all indian languages represented > in Unicode work at unicode level - no proper rendering, if a > suitable unicode font is available. ie proper vowel sign > positioning, conjuncts etc are not avialable. Some work is on > by Prabhat Hegde from Sun Microsystems on adding devanagari > support, basically by using Pango (www.pango.org) rendering > engine. He is exploring doing it using Opentype fonts. (Any one > working for this should work with Prabhat for > guidance & review, as he already has experience in Mozilla > codebase ) > > Some hindi translation work has been done by a group based in > Mumbai, available at http://www.bttlindia.com/mozilla/ . Some > translation work for Tamil is also on. (These translations > should be reused, instead of starting from scratch) > > Notes: > > 2.i has to be done in active participation with Mozilla > developers & done at those forums ( mozilla-i18n , mozilla-l10n > ) > 2.ii.b is pure translation work, can be done in centralized or > distributed fashion. > 2.i.c - Since ISCII, TSCII etc are not registered character > sets, it may not be possible to use them with Mozilla > autodetection feature. Some workaround could be suggested. > ISCII text will basically be converted to Unicode internally > for display, enabled through use of 'iso8829-12' reserved for > Indic - ISO is waiting for us to settle to something :). (The > rationale to support ISCII is since ISCII chars will take > 1byte, UTF-8 indic characters take 3bytes, or 7 bytes when > used as named > character references - The debate will pick up heat when indian > languages are fully supported ) > > -0- > > > > > == > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-hindi/ > > > > can't see Hindi? > > > > http://geocities.com/alkuma/seehindi.html > > > > ========================== > > free hindi unicode editor at > > www.geocities.com/hanu_man_ji > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: <kar...@vs...> - 2003-04-22 06:12:46
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Dear Venky, That is nice to know. Hope you will also find time to study the paper and give your feeback and suggestions to Prof. Krishnan. Good luck with the Mozilla localization project. Regards, Karthik ve...@vs... wrote Dear Karthik, We will be in touch with Prof. Krishnan for Mozilla Localization. Regards, Venky Karthik Venkatesh wrote: <snip> Venky, you mentioned in the mail about Mozilla localization that ISO is waiting for Indian language developers to settle to some encoding. Hopefully, Prof. Krishnan's labour of love for the past twenty years for Indian language computing and his rich experience will have a place in that discussion. In fact, Netscape approached him some years ago for localising its browser. |
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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-04-21 08:54:56
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Dear Karthik, We will be in touch with Prof. Krishnan for Mozilla Localization. Regards, Venky Karthik Venkatesh wrote: <snip> Venky, you mentioned in the mail about Mozilla localization that ISO is waiting for Indian language developers to settle to some encoding. Hopefully, Prof. Krishnan's labour of love for the past twenty years for Indian language computing and his rich experience will have a place in that discussion. In fact, Netscape approached him some years ago for localising its browser. |
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From: <kar...@vs...> - 2003-04-21 05:48:45
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Sorry for that horrible HTML post. Am re-sending the message again. Karthik ------------------------------------------------------------------ I had mentioned this some months ago on this list. The paper is now available at the following url: http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/multi_sys/unicode/intro.html Fred just asked for and received a sneak preview of the paper a couple of days ago:-) It is an exceptionally painstaking work that condenses both Prof. Krishnan's thoughts on Unicode for Indian language computing and the SDL approach to multilingual computing for our country. Venky, you mentioned in the mail about Mozilla localization that ISO is waiting for Indian language developers to settle to some encoding. Hopefully, Prof. Krishnan's labour of love for the past twenty years for Indian language computing and his rich experience will have a place in that discussion. In fact, Netscape approached him some years ago for localising its browser. As always, you can send your comments and suggestions on the paper to rk...@ac... Karthik Venkatesh P.S: By the way, it was magnanimous of Prof. Krishnan to acknowledge my help in the intro page. Rest assured that my effort was mere window dressing and I didn't write a single word:-) |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-04-20 16:56:01
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--__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:20:28 +0800 (SGT) From: M K Saravanan <mk...@co...> To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai <il...@ae...> Subject: [Ilugc] Nice Tamil display in RH 9.0 (mozilla) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:15:13 -0000 From: Vasee Vaseeharan <t_...@ya...> Reply-To: tam...@ya... To: tam...@ya... Subject: [tamilinix] Re: redhat 9.0+tamil initial opinions? Venkat, Here is a screenshot from my Dell Inspiron 4150, running RH 9.0: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tamilinix/files/misc/screenshots/rh9_tamil_mozilla.png -Vasee --__--__-- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: R. K. V. <kar...@vs...> - 2003-04-19 09:41:46
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<HTML><HEAD> </HEAD> <BODY> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> Dear friends,</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> I had mentioned this some= months ago on this list. The paper is now available at the= following url:</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div> <A= HREF=3D"http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/multi_sys/unicode/intro.html"><F= ONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3>= http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/multi_sys/unicode/intro.html</FONT></A= ></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> Fred just asked for and= received a sneak preview of the paper a couple of days= ago:-)</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> It is an exceptionally= painstaking work that condenses both Prof. Krishnan's thoughts= on Unicode for Indian language computing and the SDL approach to= multilingual computing for our country. </FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> Venky, you mentioned in the= mail about Mozilla localization that ISO is waiting for Indian= language developers to settle to some encoding. Hopefully, Prof.= Krishnan's labour of love for the past twenty years for Indian= language computing and his rich experience will</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> have a place in that= discussion. In fact, Netscape approached him=A0 some years ago for= localising its browser.</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> As always, you can send your= comments and suggestions on the paper to= rk...@ac...</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> Regards,</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> Karthik Venkatesh</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> P.S: By the way, it was= magnanimous of Prof. Krishnan to acknowledge my help in the= intro page. Rest assured that my effort was mere window dressing= and I didn't write a single word:-)</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div> <div><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D3> Karthik</FONT></div> </body></html> |
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From: <pra...@ya...> - 2003-04-19 08:50:25
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If this mail is to be believed, MS seems to be working on a OTF for brahmi. http://omega.cse.unsw.edu.au/pipermail/omega/2002-April/000098.html -pramod ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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From: Venky H. <ve...@vs...> - 2003-04-18 18:34:05
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Dear Indic Computing Group, We are looking for people to help us localize Mozilla to Indian languages. Rediff has agreed to hire people for this and their objective is to encourage the penetration of the Internet in India. The programmers will work closely with the IndLinux.org team to localize Mozilla and the software thus developed will be released in the public domain. This would be a good opportunity for those passionate about Indian language computing to work full-time in this area. The individuals selected will work out of Rediff's Mumbai office. More details are below. Those interested are requested to write to us at: ve...@in... and kar...@in... Regards, Venky Mozilla Indianization ============== 1) Goal: Enable Mozilla browser to display & handle indian languages properly, with proper font technology available. Localize Mozilla interface also to indian languages. 2) Project Requirements: All work done should be contributed back to Mozilla codebase, so that it becomes part of it. Solutions arrived at should make into main tree, rather than be done as adhoc hacks / addons / patches. i) i18n part (involving changing mozilla codebase) : a - Should be able to render Indian languages encoded in Unicode/UTF-8 b - Use a standardized font technology - eg OpenType. c - Support any encodings standardized for a language eg ISCII, TSCII, KSCLP (KGP) ii) l10n part (no code change - UI customization, translations of UI and Help text): a - Incorporate locale support (chrome level) b - Translate Mozilla UI into indian languages c - Making indianized mozilla theme - custom graphics, logos 3) Skill sets req a - Knowlegde of at least two Indian languages - reading & writing, script & language processing level 2.i & 2.ii.b b - C, C++, XML, Java for 2.i c - Graphics expertise for 2.ii.c d - For translator - good vocabulary in English & at least one Indian language, previous exp in translation also helpful. e - Proj. mgmt skills, ability to work with volunteers remotely, coordinate work through email/IM/group meetings. f - Interest in localization and passion for having indian languages on mozilla. g - Work experience of 2-3 years in the IT industry Current status: Mozilla supports Unicode, so all indian languages represented in Unicode work at unicode level - no proper rendering, if a suitable unicode font is available. ie proper vowel sign positioning, conjuncts etc are not avialable. Some work is on by Prabhat Hegde from Sun Microsystems on adding devanagari support, basically by using Pango (www.pango.org) rendering engine. He is exploring doing it using Opentype fonts. (Any one working for this should work with Prabhat for guidance & review, as he already has experience in Mozilla codebase ) Some hindi translation work has been done by a group based in Mumbai, available at http://www.bttlindia.com/mozilla/ . Some translation work for Tamil is also on. (These translations should be reused, instead of starting from scratch) Notes: 2.i has to be done in active participation with Mozilla developers & done at those forums ( mozilla-i18n , mozilla-l10n ) 2.ii.b is pure translation work, can be done in centralized or distributed fashion. 2.i.c - Since ISCII, TSCII etc are not registered character sets, it may not be possible to use them with Mozilla autodetection feature. Some workaround could be suggested. ISCII text will basically be converted to Unicode internally for display, enabled through use of 'iso8829-12' reserved for Indic - ISO is waiting for us to settle to something :). (The rationale to support ISCII is since ISCII chars will take 1byte, UTF-8 indic characters take 3bytes, or 7 bytes when used as named character references - The debate will pick up heat when indian languages are fully supported ) -0- Download Milan -- the Hindi interface to GNU/Linux from www.indlinux.org. |
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From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-04-17 06:04:24
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>
> Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
> >
> > I am once been bitten by this bug to edit devanagari/marathi
> documents.
> >
> > I have enabled hindi keyboard in KDE control centre and install
> code2000 and
> > raghu fonts. Using these, I am able to type in marathi in kedit/kword
> etc.
> > pretty easily.
> >
> > But I lost as far as keyboard layout is concerned. Can anybody point me
> to
> > right direction?
You may want to use on-screen virtual keyboard based on gtk-2.0. It assumes
that you have correctly configured your system in order to display Indic
scripts. You can download the tool from
http://rohini.ncst.ernet.in/indix/
Direct link to the download directory is:
http://rohini.ncst.ernet.in/indix/download/keyboard/
Features of this virtual keyboard has been mentioned in the README file of
source tarball. we welcome your feedback and suggestion.
Regards,
Keyur
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-17 05:47:02
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if you go through the documentation of pfaEdit carefully, you'll realize the author clearly mentions the tool is not yet ready for professional-quality hinting. it does some amount of hinting, but is somewhat limited in some ways for the moment. meanwhile, hinting under ttf is a complete 'programming' type language in itself. postscript does its own ways of hinting, which adobe opened up. so we have no choice but to basically 'hand-tweak' hinting given the unique attributes of indic glyphs and conjuncts. anybody tried hinting on OTF indic yet? any experiences to share? let's get the hint. :-) LL |
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From: <pra...@ya...> - 2003-04-16 12:05:41
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Someone(Michael Everson) seems to have submitted a proposal to encode Brahmi in Plane 1 of ISO/IEC 10646-2: http://std.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC2/WG2/docs/n1685/n1685.htm I remember some students from pesit were doing a project about brahmi. Someone can forward this information to them. -Pramod. ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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