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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-05-09 09:56:20
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At some point in time, we will have to start thinking of how we can interface with the Government. I wonder what would be an appropriate time to initiate such a process? The experiences of FSF in Kerala and KGP in Karnataka may be educative in this regard. Also, as recommended in point 15, working with groups like Agro-explorer at IIT Bombay that are funded by the Government would be very helpful. In my interactions with academics at IIT Bombay and IIT Kanpur over the last one year, I have found them to be quite open minded. Broadly the point is: How can we involve students, academics and the government in our efforts? Venky vi...@ek... wrote Hi Guys, We need to start generating feedback on the framework so that we can close the same and make it available for the regional group to start identifying the regional partners along the lines for taking up the issues. As of now we have received feedback from Sayamindu Dasgupta & M Arun and interestingly there feedback were identical which have been added as point 15 & 16 (see below). Please get back with your feedback soonest. regards vijay -- Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya ekgaon technologies email: vi...@ek... website: http://www.ekgaon.com Framework for Indic Regional Language Groups: ------------------------------------------------------- At the First National Indic-Font Workshop, March 2003, we decided to take up Regional Language workshops with the idea to give focused attention to each language and develop regional groups, which would bring together community interested to develop that language. During the first Indic-Computing workshop it was thought that subsequently these regional groups would form themselves into Regional Language Consortia and would take up various issues through consultations, training programs, technology demonstration and workshops at the regional level. These Regional groups would take initiative and involve other regional partners and build common understanding on major issues to be discussed in the Regional Language Workshops. Unresolved issues from these regional consultations would be dealt in National Level Consultations to be held twice each year. The Indic-Computing Consortium would provide necessary technical and capacity-building support to the Regional Consortia's and would provide representation at International bodies and Standards organizations for all languages. We invite volunteers (Individuals & Organisations) who would take upon to build the Regional Groups and hold these consultations & workshops by providing coordination & logistics support. Interested people can write to any of our active mailing lists. A framework for the Regional Groups is suggested so that each group can work towards developing common platform and resources and try to save on making similar mistakes, by sharing each others experiences. The proposed framework is as under: Regional Group: ------------------ Introduction: --------------- Indic language computing What ? Why ? Vision for Indic-computing Status Report/White Paper on Regional Language: --------------------------------------------------------- * Historical genesis of the language * Influence of other language on the language, how & how much * Cultural aspects & literature (poetry, Songs, Religion, Literature, books Tablets etc) * Dictionaries available and the most accepted one * Development of language across various media, Radio, Print, Television, Computer * Threat Perception to the language * Dialects & scripts (if used more then one) Regional language on Computers, core issues for action: ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Scripts and Writing Systems 2) Standards 3) Fonts, Open Type, True Type, Metafonts etc a) Fonts available (Free fonts) b) Open Type technology c) Glyph design and Hinting (Typographical issues) d) Developing OTF font tables with pfaedit e) OTF rendering mechanism, pango/ICU as example 4) Character Encodings & options & standards 5) Input Methods a) Keyboards b) Other methodologies (such as Tap a Tap) 6) Locale Information 7) Text Processing 8) Typography and Display 9) Printing & Publishing a) Gnome printing b) Tex Printing 10) OCR 11) Translation/Transliteration 12) Text to Speech, Voice Recognition and other technologies a) Voice Corpora b) Softwares o Vachak o Festival o Dhvani 13) Linguistic: Issues and problems a) Library b) Corpus c) Dictionaries 14) Localisation: Approaches & efforts for GNU/Linux a) GNU/Linux localisation initiative o IndLinux b) Office o Open Office c) Browsers o Mozilla o Internet Explorer o Netscape o Opera 15) Indic-support in Search engines a) Google b) Agri-explorer (IIT-Bombay) 16) Resources: a) Digitization & Online public archive of Indic language literature (on the lines of Project Guttenburg) ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ Indic-computing-users mailing list http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/ Ind...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-users [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists: -devel, -standards, -announce] |
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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-05-09 09:55:58
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At some point in time, we will have to start thinking of how we can interface with the Government. I wonder what would be an appropriate time to initiate such a process? The experiences of FSF in Kerala and KGP in Karnataka may be educative in this regard. Also, as recommended in point 15, working with groups like Agro-explorer at IIT Bombay that are funded by the Government would be very helpful. In my interactions with academics at IIT Bombay and IIT Kanpur over the last one year, I have found them to be quite open minded. Broadly the point is: How can we involve students, academics and the government in our efforts? Venky vi...@ek... wrote Hi Guys, We need to start generating feedback on the framework so that we can close the same and make it available for the regional group to start identifying the regional partners along the lines for taking up the issues. As of now we have received feedback from Sayamindu Dasgupta & M Arun and interestingly there feedback were identical which have been added as point 15 & 16 (see below). Please get back with your feedback soonest. regards vijay -- Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya ekgaon technologies email: vi...@ek... website: http://www.ekgaon.com Framework for Indic Regional Language Groups: ------------------------------------------------------- At the First National Indic-Font Workshop, March 2003, we decided to take up Regional Language workshops with the idea to give focused attention to each language and develop regional groups, which would bring together community interested to develop that language. During the first Indic-Computing workshop it was thought that subsequently these regional groups would form themselves into Regional Language Consortia and would take up various issues through consultations, training programs, technology demonstration and workshops at the regional level. These Regional groups would take initiative and involve other regional partners and build common understanding on major issues to be discussed in the Regional Language Workshops. Unresolved issues from these regional consultations would be dealt in National Level Consultations to be held twice each year. The Indic-Computing Consortium would provide necessary technical and capacity-building support to the Regional Consortia's and would provide representation at International bodies and Standards organizations for all languages. We invite volunteers (Individuals & Organisations) who would take upon to build the Regional Groups and hold these consultations & workshops by providing coordination & logistics support. Interested people can write to any of our active mailing lists. A framework for the Regional Groups is suggested so that each group can work towards developing common platform and resources and try to save on making similar mistakes, by sharing each others experiences. The proposed framework is as under: Regional Group: ------------------ Introduction: --------------- Indic language computing What ? Why ? Vision for Indic-computing Status Report/White Paper on Regional Language: --------------------------------------------------------- * Historical genesis of the language * Influence of other language on the language, how & how much * Cultural aspects & literature (poetry, Songs, Religion, Literature, books Tablets etc) * Dictionaries available and the most accepted one * Development of language across various media, Radio, Print, Television, Computer * Threat Perception to the language * Dialects & scripts (if used more then one) Regional language on Computers, core issues for action: ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Scripts and Writing Systems 2) Standards 3) Fonts, Open Type, True Type, Metafonts etc a) Fonts available (Free fonts) b) Open Type technology c) Glyph design and Hinting (Typographical issues) d) Developing OTF font tables with pfaedit e) OTF rendering mechanism, pango/ICU as example 4) Character Encodings & options & standards 5) Input Methods a) Keyboards b) Other methodologies (such as Tap a Tap) 6) Locale Information 7) Text Processing 8) Typography and Display 9) Printing & Publishing a) Gnome printing b) Tex Printing 10) OCR 11) Translation/Transliteration 12) Text to Speech, Voice Recognition and other technologies a) Voice Corpora b) Softwares o Vachak o Festival o Dhvani 13) Linguistic: Issues and problems a) Library b) Corpus c) Dictionaries 14) Localisation: Approaches & efforts for GNU/Linux a) GNU/Linux localisation initiative o IndLinux b) Office o Open Office c) Browsers o Mozilla o Internet Explorer o Netscape o Opera 15) Indic-support in Search engines a) Google b) Agri-explorer (IIT-Bombay) 16) Resources: a) Digitization & Online public archive of Indic language literature (on the lines of Project Guttenburg) ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ Indic-computing-users mailing list http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/ Ind...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-users [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists: -devel, -standards, -announce] |
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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-05-09 09:02:10
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There is an UNDP meet in Delhi on the 28th of May and many of us Indiccers are speakers at the event (Sunil Abraham, Vijay Pratap, Prakash Advani and myself). The four of us + Linux Lingam, Osama Manzar, and Ravikant plan to meet up informally on the 28th evening at Eatopia, India Habitat Centre, New Delhi at 7PM. We look forward to meeting other Delhi based Indiccers at this get-together. Venky Nagarjuna wrote: >>Good going. With so much support and many enthusiastic participants the west will have more indic rainfall. Let us make it a monsoon event. If you need any help let me know. Nagarjuna |
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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-05-09 09:02:09
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There is an UNDP meet in Delhi on the 28th of May and many of us Indiccers are speakers at the event (Sunil Abraham, Vijay Pratap, Prakash Advani and myself). The four of us + Linux Lingam, Osama Manzar, and Ravikant plan to meet up informally on the 28th evening at Eatopia, India Habitat Centre, New Delhi at 7PM. We look forward to meeting other Delhi based Indiccers at this get-together. Venky Nagarjuna wrote: >>Good going. With so much support and many enthusiastic participants the west will have more indic rainfall. Let us make it a monsoon event. If you need any help let me know. Nagarjuna |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-05-09 07:11:19
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India's vernacular IT market to cross $64 million by 2005: study >From Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, May 8 (IANS) The vernacular IT applications market in India is expected to touch $64 million by 2005, up from $11 million now, as government agencies unveil a slew of e-governance projects, said a study Thursday. "The language technology industry is very nascent and highly fragmented," said the report of Manufacturers' Association for Information Technology (MAIT), an umbrella group representing hardware and IT research and development services. "The market is currently driven by off-the-shelf applications for end users such as the publishing industry and government sectors," it added. "However, in the next two to three years the e-governance initiatives being undertaken by various government bodies are expected to spur the growth in the local language computing market in India." The study revealed that current market size of the local language applications had remained limited due to lack of universal standards for scripts and fonts, and limited availability of vernacular software and fonts. According to MAIT, the key drivers of the local language application market in the near future will be introduction and promotion of new technology solutions and applications by the industry to cater to the growing needs of citizens. Initiatives revolving around the commercialisation of products and applications being developed in the numerous research labs in India will also fuel the growth in the sector, it added. "The challenges that need to be tackled for improving computing in vernacular include lack of formal IT-based language training amongst the users and lack of awareness regarding e-governance computing applications at the grassroots level." It said low computer penetration across the country and insufficient or delayed implementation of the initiatives taken by different government bodies also put roadblocks in the way of growth. The lobby group suggested that the government must create a web-based repository of best practices for content, software and language-based applications and this must be available in the public domain. The state and central governments must be mandated to deploy local language interface for citizens' services. "The government needs to play the role of a catalyst and facilitator. It has to handhold and ensure technology transfer to the public and vendors." "There is a direct correlation between availability of IT Applications in vernacular and the IT penetration in the country," said Vinnie Mehta, executive director of MAIT. "The latter can be accelerated by giving a thrust through increased deployment of the former. The industry needs to work towards killer applications, which will be of economic benefit to the SMEs and the common man." --Indo-Asian News Service |
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From: Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...> - 2003-05-09 03:59:28
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Hi Guys, We need to start generating feedback on the framework so that we can close the same and make it available for the regional group to start identifying the regional partners along the lines for taking up the issues. As of now we have received feedback from Sayamindu Dasgupta & M Arun and interestingly there feedback were identical which have been added as point 15 & 16 (see below). Please get back with your feedback soonest. regards vijay -- Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya ekgaon technologies email: vi...@ek... website: http://www.ekgaon.com Framework for Indic Regional Language Groups: ------------------------------------------------------- At the First National Indic-Font Workshop, March 2003, we decided to take up Regional Language workshops with the idea to give focused attention to each language and develop regional groups, which would bring together community interested to develop that language. During the first Indic-Computing workshop it was thought that subsequently these regional groups would form themselves into Regional Language Consortia and would take up various issues through consultations, training programs, technology demonstration and workshops at the regional level. These Regional groups would take initiative and involve other regional partners and build common understanding on major issues to be discussed in the Regional Language Workshops. Unresolved issues from these regional consultations would be dealt in National Level Consultations to be held twice each year. The Indic-Computing Consortium would provide necessary technical and capacity-building support to the Regional Consortia's and would provide representation at International bodies and Standards organizations for all languages. We invite volunteers (Individuals & Organisations) who would take upon to build the Regional Groups and hold these consultations & workshops by providing coordination & logistics support. Interested people can write to any of our active mailing lists. A framework for the Regional Groups is suggested so that each group can work towards developing common platform and resources and try to save on making similar mistakes, by sharing each others experiences. The proposed framework is as under: Regional Group: ------------------ Introduction: --------------- Indic language computing What ? Why ? Vision for Indic-computing Status Report/White Paper on Regional Language: --------------------------------------------------------- * Historical genesis of the language * Influence of other language on the language, how & how much * Cultural aspects & literature (poetry, Songs, Religion, Literature, books Tablets etc) * Dictionaries available and the most accepted one * Development of language across various media, Radio, Print, Television, Computer * Threat Perception to the language * Dialects & scripts (if used more then one) Regional language on Computers, core issues for action: ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Scripts and Writing Systems 2) Standards 3) Fonts, Open Type, True Type, Metafonts etc a) Fonts available (Free fonts) b) Open Type technology c) Glyph design and Hinting (Typographical issues) d) Developing OTF font tables with pfaedit e) OTF rendering mechanism, pango/ICU as example 4) Character Encodings & options & standards 5) Input Methods a) Keyboards b) Other methodologies (such as Tap a Tap) 6) Locale Information 7) Text Processing 8) Typography and Display 9) Printing & Publishing a) Gnome printing b) Tex Printing 10) OCR 11) Translation/Transliteration 12) Text to Speech, Voice Recognition and other technologies a) Voice Corpora b) Softwares o Vachak o Festival o Dhvani 13) Linguistic: Issues and problems a) Library b) Corpus c) Dictionaries 14) Localisation: Approaches & efforts for GNU/Linux a) GNU/Linux localisation initiative o IndLinux b) Office o Open Office c) Browsers o Mozilla o Internet Explorer o Netscape o Opera 15) Indic-support in Search engines a) Google b) Agri-explorer (IIT-Bombay) 16) Resources: a) Digitization & Online public archive of Indic language literature (on the lines of Project Guttenburg) |
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From: Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...> - 2003-05-08 18:02:05
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Hi Here is a report on Rediff, on local language technology market, the reference quoted is the old frost and sullivan report. http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/may/08it.htm best vijay |
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From: Nagarjuna G. <nag...@hb...> - 2003-05-08 11:55:59
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On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 02:52:57PM +0530, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote: > Keyur Shroff and Ashish Kothamkar have expressed their interest, so it looks like we have good momentum behind this workshop. Keyur said he will check with NCST to see if we can organize the event there. Rajesh Jain of Netcore has also offerred his office facilities (which can accomodate 30 people) for the workshop. > > Keyur, Ashish, Jitendra, Prakash, Karunakar (other volunteers also most welcome) can we meet up early next week and discuss this? > > Venky Good going. With so much support and many enthusiastic participants the west will have more indic rainfall. Let us make it a monsoon event. If you need any help let me know. Nagarjuna |
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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-05-08 09:23:02
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Keyur Shroff and Ashish Kothamkar have expressed their interest, so it looks like we have good momentum behind this workshop. Keyur said he will check with NCST to see if we can organize the event there. Rajesh Jain of Netcore has also offerred his office facilities (which can accomodate 30 people) for the workshop.
Keyur, Ashish, Jitendra, Prakash, Karunakar (other volunteers also most welcome) can we meet up early next week and discuss this?
Venky
jit...@vs... wrote
DRAFT
An
Appeal to Initiate
Consultation on
Culture, Language and Technology
There is need to facilitate a concerted effort to bring about an
awareness among public on Lnaguage technologies. They are having an
impact on culture and literature . It is important to formulate future
strategies to enrich our people and our culture. It is therefore
necessary to facilitate meeting of the Cultural leaders, Literary
leaders and Technology leaders together into consultation.
IndLinux, C-DAC, VJTI and IIT Centre For Language Technology Research
are the natural Technology leaders . IIT-B had also organized a
recent conference on Universal Knowledge and Language in Goa , Nov 2002.
It is necessary to invite interest from the other fields.
It is proposed that a conference be organized in the middle of June
2003. The same may focus on Marathi and may include Gujarati/Hindi if
found necessary.
To arrive at what should happen in such a conference , and on a
continuing basis later on, we wish to bring people in contact with each
other.
The issues that come to my mind are
Language technology :
Tools : Office tools, Fonts, converters, editors, operating systems ,
translating aides, UNL
Resources : Dictionaries, lexical resources,
Standards: script, transliteration,
Application in Education : Translations from English, creation of
internationalized packages that can be translated into English
Application in other areas, : preserving cultures
Strategies : popularizing of tools, Inter-lingual transliteration
standard, Free software, enabling affordable computers
Cultural:
Impact as of now
Future trends
Saving/preserving dying languages and corresponding culture
Literary:
Impact on literary movements
Creation of content using technology that may sustain
Creation for global consumption/market
Translation from other languages
Those interested in being in the loop, participating in the conference,
contributing at the conference, and participating in informal caucus
discussions may so indicate to
Jitendra Shah: jit...@vs...
Kumar Ketkar:
CC : With a request to those in the media to publicise the appeal
(following are those who had attended a 1 day workshop in IIT-B last April)
Vinayak Parab (Loksatta) vin...@vs... 24717677
Sameer karve (Mah Times) sam...@ho... 22731175, 25928131
AnilShaligram(free lance, IT) ani...@ya... 5363122
AnilTakalkar (Sakal) ani...@ho... 7572961 9821313620
ArunTikekar (Loksatta) 2731175Fax Fax4717653
AshokDatar(Marathi Vidyapeeth) fo...@vs... 4449465 6182541
BharatRaut (Mah Times) Fax 2731175Fax
GeetaDesai (Mumbai Samachar, Gujarati) sam...@vs... 2045531
80662122045501Fax9820703561
HarshavardhanPurandare mum...@ya... 4448351
Kumar Ketkar(Loksatta) ket...@ho... 3008851 9821524131
Mahesh (Tarun Bharat) Sarlashkar s_m...@vs...
Mahesh Vijapurkar (Hindu)
Meena Karnik(Akshar Prakashan) me...@bo... 4449072
4446194
Nikhil Wagle(Mahanagar) nik...@ho... 449072 4449669
Nikhil Vaidya (Alfa TV) va...@ze... 6971234
NiluDamle (free Lance) dam...@re... 4304720
PrafullaMarpakwar (loksatta) pra...@ho... 4717677
4143838 9869014105
PrakashBal( Free Lancer) pr...@bo... 5369984
Pralhad Jadhav (Dir Publicity, MS) pra...@re...
2024961fax:6456074
RaviPandharinath (Dictionery author) ?5720224
Shabnam Minwalla (TOI) smi...@ya...
Shivaji Phulsundar (DoorDarshan) ddr...@bo... 4984672
5340994
Smruti Koppikar(Express News) 4717677
SundarLatpute (Maharashtra) 4111044
Suresh Nadkarni (dr, Free Lance) drn...@ya...
Vidyadhar Date (TOI) dat...@ya... 2353535 6424799
VishwanathSachdev Navbharat Times (Hindi) ?563535352731889Fax
Yuvaraj Mohite (Mahanagar) 8750073Fax4465103
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From: jnshah <jit...@vs...> - 2003-05-08 06:48:22
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DRAFT
An
Appeal to Initiate
Consultation on
Culture, Language and Technology
There is need to facilitate a concerted effort to bring about an
awareness among public on Lnaguage technologies. They are having an
impact on culture and literature . It is important to formulate future
strategies to enrich our people and our culture. It is therefore
necessary to facilitate meeting of the Cultural leaders, Literary
leaders and Technology leaders together into consultation.
IndLinux, C-DAC, VJTI and IIT Centre For Language Technology Research
are the natural Technology leaders . IIT-B had also organized a
recent conference on Universal Knowledge and Language in Goa , Nov 2002.
It is necessary to invite interest from the other fields.
It is proposed that a conference be organized in the middle of June
2003. The same may focus on Marathi and may include Gujarati/Hindi if
found necessary.
To arrive at what should happen in such a conference , and on a
continuing basis later on, we wish to bring people in contact with each
other.
The issues that come to my mind are
Language technology :
Tools : Office tools, Fonts, converters, editors, operating systems ,
translating aides, UNL
Resources : Dictionaries, lexical resources,
Standards: script, transliteration,
Application in Education : Translations from English, creation of
internationalized packages that can be translated into English
Application in other areas, : preserving cultures
Strategies : popularizing of tools, Inter-lingual transliteration
standard, Free software, enabling affordable computers
Cultural:
Impact as of now
Future trends
Saving/preserving dying languages and corresponding culture
Literary:
Impact on literary movements
Creation of content using technology that may sustain
Creation for global consumption/market
Translation from other languages
Those interested in being in the loop, participating in the conference,
contributing at the conference, and participating in informal caucus
discussions may so indicate to
Jitendra Shah: jit...@vs...
Kumar Ketkar:
CC : With a request to those in the media to publicise the appeal
(following are those who had attended a 1 day workshop in IIT-B last April)
Vinayak Parab (Loksatta) vin...@vs... 24717677
Sameer karve (Mah Times) sam...@ho... 22731175, 25928131
AnilShaligram(free lance, IT) ani...@ya... 5363122
AnilTakalkar (Sakal) ani...@ho... 7572961 9821313620
ArunTikekar (Loksatta) 2731175Fax Fax4717653
AshokDatar(Marathi Vidyapeeth) fo...@vs... 4449465 6182541
BharatRaut (Mah Times) Fax 2731175Fax
GeetaDesai (Mumbai Samachar, Gujarati) sam...@vs... 2045531
80662122045501Fax9820703561
HarshavardhanPurandare mum...@ya... 4448351
Kumar Ketkar(Loksatta) ket...@ho... 3008851 9821524131
Mahesh (Tarun Bharat) Sarlashkar s_m...@vs...
Mahesh Vijapurkar (Hindu)
Meena Karnik(Akshar Prakashan) me...@bo... 4449072
4446194
Nikhil Wagle(Mahanagar) nik...@ho... 449072 4449669
Nikhil Vaidya (Alfa TV) va...@ze... 6971234
NiluDamle (free Lance) dam...@re... 4304720
PrafullaMarpakwar (loksatta) pra...@ho... 4717677
4143838 9869014105
PrakashBal( Free Lancer) pr...@bo... 5369984
Pralhad Jadhav (Dir Publicity, MS) pra...@re...
2024961fax:6456074
RaviPandharinath (Dictionery author) ?5720224
Shabnam Minwalla (TOI) smi...@ya...
Shivaji Phulsundar (DoorDarshan) ddr...@bo... 4984672
5340994
Smruti Koppikar(Express News) 4717677
SundarLatpute (Maharashtra) 4111044
Suresh Nadkarni (dr, Free Lance) drn...@ya...
Vidyadhar Date (TOI) dat...@ya... 2353535 6424799
VishwanathSachdev Navbharat Times (Hindi) ?563535352731889Fax
Yuvaraj Mohite (Mahanagar) 8750073Fax4465103
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From: Venky H. <ve...@vs...> - 2003-05-08 04:19:31
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Vijay has sent me a list of potential participants for the Western region workshops and we can use that as a starting point. Venky ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashish Kotamkar <as...@mi...> To: <ind...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: RE: [Indic-computing-users] Western Region Workshop > Venky, let me know how I can help. I missed the Bangalore workshop due to > pre-occupation with my work here. > Ashish > > > > > I would be willing to organize a Western Region Workshop of the Indic > > Computing Group. Are there others who are interested? This workshop could > > focus on Marathi, Konkani, Gujarathi and other languages. > > > > Venky > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara > The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > _______________________________________________ > Indic-computing-users mailing list http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/ > Ind...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-users > [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists: -devel, -standards, -announce] > |
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From: Ashish K. <as...@mi...> - 2003-05-07 11:48:38
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Venky, let me know how I can help. I missed the Bangalore workshop due to pre-occupation with my work here. Ashish > > I would be willing to organize a Western Region Workshop of the Indic > Computing Group. Are there others who are interested? This workshop could > focus on Marathi, Konkani, Gujarathi and other languages. > > Venky |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-05-07 03:32:18
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------------------------ URL : http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/designaxes _________________________________________________________________ [12]The Indic Computing Project > [13]Design Axes for the Indian Language Computing Market _________________________________________________________________ Design Axes for the Indian Language Computing Market Joseph Koshy The Indic-Computing project Copyright =A9 2003 by A. Joseph Koshy $Date: 2003/04/30 07:23:50 $ Abstract Despite nearly four decades of work, computing in local languages remains unavailable to the common man in the Indian subcontinent. In this article we identify seven core issues, namely [14]power, [15]usability, [16]interoperability, [17]locality of information, [18]value addition, the effect of [19]social structure and the quality of the supporting [20]development ecosystem, that need to be addressed before pervasive Indian language computing can become a reality. We analyse a few existing projects and show that the levels of success achieved by these is consistent with their tackling of these seven core issues. Finally, we present a ``road map'' for making computing pervasive in Indian society and list the areas where the [21]Indic-Computing Project hopes to make a contribution. Document status: Third draft. _________________________________________________________________ Table of Contents 1 [22]Introduction 2 [23]The Design ``Axes'' 3 [24]Analyses 4 [25]Road map 5 [26]Acknowledgments 1 Introduction The so-called ``digital divide'' remains a yawning gulf today for most Indian citizens. In a country with over one billion citizens, 99 out of 100 do not use computers. Numerous organizations have attempted in the past to increase the penetration of information processing technologies in the Indian sub-continent. Until date, these efforts have been relatively unsuccessful (see [27]the sidebar The Case of the Missing Market). Local language computing has not made inroads into mainstream Indian society. We believe that this situation has arisen because prior efforts have not taken cognizance of the core characteristics that underlie the Indian context. Rather unsurprisingly, these characteristics turn out to be different from those in the so-called ``developed'' societies--in other words, a successful product or service for the Indian subcontinent has necessarily to be designed differently from one aimed at a ``developed'' market. The major contributions of this article are as follows: * We identify seven core areas that a computing technology needs to address before it can succeed in the Indian context. * We provide a model explains the lack of success of prior initiatives to bridge the digital divide. The model can be used to evaluate the impact a new technology would have in the Indian context. * We offer for discussion, a ``road map'' for pervasive Indian language computing that has a higher probability of success than current efforts.. The Case of the Missing Market Estimates of the size of the Indian language computing market vary widely. A survey conducted by the [28]Indian Institute of Information Technology, Bangalore described the existing Indian language market as predominantly DTP and print driven, with a market size of about INR 64 Crores (INR 640 million). However, an article in the [29]June 24th, 2002 issue of DataQuest, author Yograj Verma estimated that the potential size of the Indian language market to be as large as INR 65,260 Crores (INR 652.6 billion). According to this estimate, the potential size of the indigenous market rivals that of the existing ``export oriented'' software industry. In reality, computing infrastructure has yet to make significant headway into Indian society. The use of computers remains an essentially urban phenomenon, mostly restricted to the English speaking elite in the country. There clearly is a gap between what the market could be and what today's market players are able to provide. 1.1 Target Audience This document has been written with the following audiences in mind: * Planners designing computing infrastructure for developing societies. Many of issues highlighted here would be present in other developing societies, and the solutions developed would be of use there too. * Software developers and development managers interested in developing software for the Indian language software market. * Educationists, especially those in Indian technical colleges. * Open-source developers attempting to add support for Indian languages to open-source software. 1.2 Prerequisites Awareness of the technical issues in Indian language computing is assumed. The reader wishing to refresh his or her knowledge may find tutorial sections of the [30]Indic-Computing Handbook, and some of the questions and answers in the [31]Indic-Computing FAQ to be of help. 1.3 What this article is not A few statements about what the article does not cover would also be in order. * The article does not cover the benefits that a pervasive computing infrastructure brings to Indian society. It also does not go into the issues of the appropriateness of information technology; as with all tools, the use of information technology would be appropriate in certain contexts and inappropriate in others; the judgment call on this matter would need to be taken by the stakeholders involved. * We do not identify specific end-user solutions that are needed in the market today. Though there are many opportunities that we can see, discussing these would be out of scope for this article. In this document, we sketch the broad architectural characteristics that successful solutions in the Indian context would possess. 1.4 Structure of this document The rest of this article is structured as follows: * In [32]Section 2 we look at the seven core issues that need to be solved before any computing technology can succeed in a large-scale in the Indian context. * We then analyse a few existing projects in [33]Section 3 in the framework of our model. * [34]Section 4 lists some of the next steps that need to be taken up before pervasive computing can become a reality in the Indian context. This section also provides the rationale for the tasks that the Indic-Computing project has taken up. ______________________________________________________________________ [35]Next The Design ``Axes'' This, and other documents, can be downloaded from [36]http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/. _________________________________________________________________ [37]Built With WebMake=20 [38]Copyright =A9 2001--2003 The Indic-Computing Project. Last Modified: Wed Apr 30 12:56:11 2003 Webmaster: [39]jkoshy(@)users.sourceforge.net |
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From: Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...> - 2003-05-07 01:08:58
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Hi Guys! Apologies for this long delay in getting back to you on the next step from the Indic-Computing's National Indic-Font workshop, March 2003, where we had decided to form regional groups for each language. It was also decided to form a guideline/framework under which all groups work. Such a framework is suggested here, derived from discussions with several people offline and as per the Handbook. The framework (below) follows the Context/Introduction in which it is suggested, it is a earnest request from all to please provide feedback on the framework soonest so that we can send it to all regional groups already formed and waiting to take up these issues within there forums. Please suggest/critic/correct any of what is mentioned as under, there is enough scope for it :-) . All key resource persons of each language group please note. regards vijay -- Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya ekgaon technologies email: vi...@ek... website: http://www.ekgaon.com Framework for Indic Regional Language Groups: ------------------------------------------------------- At the First National Indic-Font Workshop, March 2003, we decided to take up Regional Language workshops with the idea to give focused attention to each language and develop regional groups, which would bring together community interested to develop that language. During the first Indic-Computing workshop it was thought that subsequently these regional groups would form themselves into Regional Language Consortia and would take up various issues through consultations, training programs, technology demonstration and workshops at the regional level. These Regional groups would take initiative and involve other regional partners and build common understanding on major issues to be discussed in the Regional Language Workshops. Unresolved issues from these regional consultations would be dealt in National Level Consultations to be held twice each year. The Indic-Computing Consortium would provide necessary technical and capacity-building support to the Regional Consortia's and would provide representation at International bodies and Standards organizations for all languages. We invite volunteers (Individuals & Organisations) who would take upon to build the Regional Groups and hold these consultations & workshops by providing coordination & logistics support. Interested people can write to any of our active mailing lists. A framework for the Regional Groups is suggested so that each group can work towards developing common platform and resources and try to save on making similar mistakes, by sharing each others experiences. The proposed framework is as under: Regional Group: ------------------ Introduction: --------------- Indic language computing What ? Why ? Vision for Indic-computing Status Report/White Paper on Regional Language: --------------------------------------------------------- * Historical genesis of the language * Influence of other language on the language, how & how much * Cultural aspects & literature (poetry, Songs, Religion, Literature, books Tablets etc) * Dictionaries available and the most accepted one * Development of language across various media, Radio, Print, Television, Computer * Threat Perception to the language * Dialects & scripts (if used more then one) Regional language on Computers, core issues for action: ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Scripts and Writing Systems 2) Standards 3) Fonts, Open Type, True Type, Metafonts etc a) Fonts available (Free fonts) b) Open Type technology c) Glyph design and Hinting (Typographical issues) d) Developing OTF font tables with pfaedit e) OTF rendering mechanism, pango/ICU as example 4) Character Encodings & options & standards 5) Input Methods a) Keyboards b) Other methodologies (such as Tap a Tap) 6) Locale Information 7) Text Processing 8) Typography and Display 9) Printing & Publishing a) Gnome printing b) Tex Printing 10) OCR 11) Translation/Transliteration 12) Text to Speech, Voice Recognition and other technologies a) Voice Corpora b) Softwares o Vachak o Festival o Dhvani 13) Linguistic: Issues and problems a) Library b) Corpus c) Dictionaries 14) Localisation: Approaches & efforts for GNU/Linux a) GNU/Linux localisation initiative o IndLinux b) Office o Open Office c) Browsers o Mozilla o Internet Explorer o Netscape o Opera |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-05-06 17:40:36
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear Firends, I have downloaded openOffice 1.1beta and installed it. Very easy to install. Everything will be installed in /opt ( the place when a package will install every thing in one place will use. it means its removal is just deleting this folder and hide from me to be safe ;) ). I can write irani very well, like koffice. I was so happy to see this powerrfull package is available for us. Its size for download is about 74MB. I can give you a copy if you want. It needs just a appointment setting as the hardest part. at last, I was able to print in farsi! very well. I don't know it is because of xprint program I have downloaded to solve my printing problem, or just a fix in openoffice, anyway you can print in farsi without need to use PDF or with it now. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ bna-linuxiran mailing list bna...@no... http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bna-linuxiran |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-05-06 17:40:35
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________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: 07 May 2003 07:26:17 +0530 From: Sunil Abraham <su...@ma...> Subject: Open Office 1.1 speaks Hindi --------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Linux Tips at TechRepublic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- The open source cousin of Sun's StarOffice suite, OpenOffice.org, grows more mature with every revision. OpenOffice.org 1.1 beta, the most current and stable beta release, offers several improvements. Some of the features of OpenOffice.org 1.1 beta include new import and export formats, such as DocBook, PDF, Macromedia Flash, flat XML, and XHTML. It also includes new support for languages such as Thai, Hindi, Arabic, and Hebrew. OpenOffice.org contains virtually the same feature set as StarOffice, making it a true alternative to expensive, proprietary office suites like Microsoft Office and WordPerfect Office. In addition, OpenOffice.org runs on Windows, Linux, Solaris, and Mac OS X. The ability to use the same office suite software, regardless of which OS you use, has definite appeal. Many Linux distributions are opting to include OpenOffice.org as the default office suite--even Mandrake Linux, which previously bundled its distribution with StarOffice. Since more people are using OpenOffice.org every day, bugs are found faster, more developers are attracted to the project, and each release promises to be better than the last. The OpenOffice.org office suite contains a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation manager, and drawing program. Ports for other OSs, including FreeBSD and IRIX, are in the works. To install this office suite on your Linux system, download it from the OpenOffice Web page. Linux gurus unite! Have you downloaded OpenOffice.org 1.1 beta? If so, take a few moments to tell your peers about its pros and cons in our Linux discussion thread. If not, let us know what alternative you currently use. Visit the Discussion Center today! --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sunil Abraham, CEO MAHITI Infotech Pvt. Ltd. 'Reducing the cost and complexity of ICTs' 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 4150580. Mobile: 98455 12611 su...@ma... http://www.mahiti.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-05-06 14:58:46
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--- Venky Hariharan <ve...@vs...> wrote: > I would be willing to organize a Western Region Workshop of the Indic > Computing Group. Are there others who are interested? This workshop could > focus on Marathi, Konkani, Gujarathi and other languages. Yes, we are interested. But let me ask my other collegues at C-DAC, Mumbai (formerly NCST). I can also make enquiry about any financial assistance that C-DAC or any other partner can provide. I am on leave tomorrow and will get back to you on the day after tomorrow. - Keyur __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com |
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From: Venky H. <ve...@vs...> - 2003-05-06 10:24:15
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I would be willing to organize a Western Region Workshop of the Indic Computing Group. Are there others who are interested? This workshop could focus on Marathi, Konkani, Gujarathi and other languages. Venky |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-05-05 18:46:12
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Harnessing the Free/Open Source Software Movement for India www.iiitb.ac.in, www.freeos.com/indianlinux To Post a message, send it to: ind...@eG... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:58:50 -0000 From: "sivarajd" <siv...@ho...> Subject: Pango: Left-Matra placement bug fix for Tamil Hi All, I did a patch for fixing the long standing left matra bug in Pango. We tested it in Tamilinix list and made sure it works for Tamil. But we need to test it for other indic scripts. Can someone on this list test it and let me know if this works, at least for Devanagari. Words that have a half-form followed by a left side matra need to be tested (like 'kki' in Devanagari). Here is the link for the RH8.0 RPM and a patch which should work for Pango 1.1.1 through current. We would like to check this into CVS as soon as possible, so testing at the earliest would be very much appreciated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tamilinix/files/unicode/pango-1.1.1-5sd.i386.rpm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tamilinix/files/unicode/pango-1.1.1-fixmpre.patch Thanks for the help. -Sivaraj. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ |
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-05-05 09:01:32
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from the HindustanTimes post on the article by kuber on 'Linux' published in the 5th may 2003 issue, delhi: [heavy SNIP] Vernacular > > Yet another benefit of using linux would be availability of an operating > > system in Indian languages. okay, here comes the Know Linuxlingam's Phrase Definitions (K.L.P.D.) by Niyam Bhushan: [ K.L.D.P being] the word 'verna' means home-born slave. so vernacular basically means 'of the home-born slave'. obviously, 'vernacular languages' *was* a term used by the british empire to speak derogatically of the languages of the slaves of the colonial empire, not just indian. not the emphasis on 'was' in the above statement, then read on: 'vernacular languages' *is* a term used by most of the former slaves of the british empire, especially indians, to refer to their own languages. this probably explains the pathetic state of affairs of indic-language computing despite two decades of efforts. the indic-computing project prefers to use the term "indic-languages' and this is a far-sighted and visionary term. for in its domain, it also covers languages that are closely linked to the brahmi script, the devanagri, dravidian, urdu/persian, and other source languages of the region. for example, languages spoken in bangalesh, nepal, tibet, etc, to name a few. should an indian or any citizen of the modern world go to some unknown island in the middle of the pacific ocean and wish to refer to the non-indic language spoken there, use the term 'indigenous language'. for example, this rather large island straddling the atlantic and the pacific ocean, formerly of the red-indians, has an indigenous language called 'american-english' which has only a faint resemblence to 'the queen's english' or 'oxford english' spoken in the much smaller island off the atlantic, called Britain. [ K.L.D.P. end] thanks to dr pavanaja of vishwakannada-fame to pointing this out originally to the mailing lists. :-) LL |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-05-04 22:02:01
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-05-04 07:47:51
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dear all, anyone knows / involved on kashmiri language indic technology support, encoding, fonts, etc? found someone may be interested in this field. ? LL |
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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2003-05-02 07:47:35
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:27:19 +0530 LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> wrote: > anyways, just my two paisas on the thought. please do give me the > urls of the whitepapers. > Chek the fonts, opentype, truetype, unicode links in http://www.indlinux.org/bookmarks.html Regards, Karunakar -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.Discover." - Mark Twain --------------------------- * Indian Linux project * * http://www.indlinux.org * --------------------------- |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-05-01 02:06:12
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> could you please point the urls to the relevant whitepapers? Truetype fundas- http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/ What is Truetype- http://www.microsoft.com/typography/what/what.htm?fname=%20&fsiz e= -Pavanaja ----------------------------------------------------- Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-04-30 18:30:55
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> could you please point the urls to the relevant whitepapers? also, if > you have links to hinting whitepapers and pdfs, would also be > appreciated. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/hinting/hinting.htm?fname=%2 0&fsize= -Pavanaja ----------------------------------------------------- Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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