I close the program but it doesn't really close. Its not in the Systray. ...
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Wow...the more I use this the more bizarre it gets.
Are you not aware of DPI settings for enlarging fonts? Because this can't be maximized everything spills over and is unreadable. I clicked Reset but of course that doesn't really Reset the appearance. You really haven't thought this program out very well at all. Get some help. Obviously you're not interested in logic but have good ideas for the workings of the program which is the main thing. It works one day then doesn't work the next. Great. So much potential, so little thought.
Okay. I see you're not talking about Peace as this app has obviously a systray icon and menu. Are you talking about the Configuration Editor? What are you ranting about anyway? You're not making much sense. So let's establish what app and how you want or need to use it.
I'm not making much sense? I'd say almost everything about this program doesn't make much sense. First of all there seems to be multiple parts to it. We have Equalizer APO and Peace and something else I've forgotten. Huh? They both seem to launch some equalizer window.
I mention DPI settings and you don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Not sure what we can do from there. I see you're not the designer who obviously has "exited left" and left you with this very unfinished work which is very unfair. But it explains perfectly how bizarre this program is. I guess he lost interest midway through his project. Hopefully someone else will carry on. He sure did some good things here. It would be a shame to see it just waste away.
I think OP don't understand the working mechanism of EqualizerAPO. It is quite simple.
EqualizerAPO is a dll type application with no GUI. It is commanded through ASCII type command file (config.txt). EqualizerAPO Dll is loaded in Windows startup and filter commands found in config.txt are active as long as you turn them off. This (turning on/off) can be done through editing the config.txt file by using either (known) Notepad, Configuration Editor, Peace or any other pure ASCII editor or control software for EqualizerAPO.
Configuration Editor is an utility you can use for to build the command file (comes with EqualizerAPO package). CE updates the config.txt file (and all included files if edited).
If CE don't work for you the way you want it to work then why not use Notepad for to edit the config.txt (thought, controlling VST plug-ins would be difficult).
Peace is 3rd party utility written by Peter and it is done for same purpose as CE. AFAIK, Peace has worked quite well and fortunately Peter is active in development of his software so, if you define the issue properly it normally gets fixed quite fast.
BTW, Jonas is still active with this project ... as you can see, ... last source code update is from June 2021.
Simple? Its anything but simple. Simple would be something that worked like it looks like it would. Like it used to work with no fiddling from me before. Now its decided to go on vacation.
If it has no GUI how come I saw the equalizer window when I first launched it? If a program needs the user to do stuff why not tell us? This thing looks like a perfectly functioning equalizer....until you realize nothing works sometimes.
My config.txt file was empty.
I saw nothing in services.msc indicating anything was starting upon bootup of the OS.
Lovely how they opted to include NOTHING in the program telling us that. Sometimes it seems the general concept of logic is so far removed from many software designer's minds it defies comprehension. Maybe its an autistic thing, not sure. Brilliant in some areas and out to lunch in others. I suppose we're all like that at times.
News to me.
Well I suppose because there was no info about that in the program?
And the confit.txt file was empty?
And Help was useless?
What is CE?
They don't even say what Peace is or what Equalizer APO is or what the othe associated program is or the functions of each.
Jonas, the elusive creator. Oh hallowed one please grace us with your wisdom when you see fit. I'd love to get this working. It has features I haven't seen anywhere that are so good for taming active/reverberent rooms.
Perhaps it will be more productive if you stop being so difficult. Lets move on from that. Equalizer APO is free software and even open source. You may chang it however you like. Peace is just one of the many popular interfaces for Equalizer APO. It's also free of charge and open source. We as a community will help you on any related issues or questions about Equalizer APO, Peace and other interfaces. And no Jonas isn't the elusive creator. It's quite a nasty remark on your side. Why? He isn't that active. That's all. Talking about grace. Is he permitted by you to have others things to do in life? Or must he commit to give you free of charge software based on your remarks and specifications especially knowing that other people have other needs? You're rising concerns about the software. And right you are but please do this in a constructive way. So lets move on.
To explain:
Jonas Thedering is the creator of the Equalizer APO project
Peter Verbeek (me) is the creator of the popular Peace equalizer interface
Others like Juha have also made nice software/interfaces for Equalizer APO
For instance HeSuVi is another popular interface
CE=Configuration Editor, E-APO = Equalizer APO sometimes called just APO. I don't use abbreviations. It may confuse things, I think.
I know that the Configuration Editor (not my software) can be improved upon. We all know this. But it's a nice piece of software hence the 4.5 star rating for Equalizer APO. As it is now it doesn't have any features for a systray icon menu.
There isn't a service needed for Equalizer APO. The rerouting is done by editing the registry keys for the audio devices. This causes that the audio stream is rerouted through equalizerapo.dll. By use of the Windows Audio Processing Objects architecture (APO's) the needed functions are called in this dll. Of course there is no need to know this but, hey, now you know.
Of course the Configuration Editor could benefit from a decent manual. In contrast Peace does have a decent manual. It's under every Help button in the app. I suggest working with Peace. But I will help you on the usage of the Configuration Editor. It has its pro's and cons (as you have noticed already).
Looks like I have the same problem on my laptop (Windows 10 Pro) - one time it works, then suddenly it doesn't anymore. Rebooting the Laptop usually helps, but sometimes not for long.
I use eq APO also on my desktop to equalize in room response of my nearfild monitors. This works reliably, since many months. But obviously, once I finished the setup for these monitors, I never changed it again.
I am currently using REW and eq APO to equalize and align a subwoofer and a satellite using REW's built-in auto-EQ-generator. I export the found filter set as a text file (in "Generic" format) that I then include in eq APO. Frequency response measured with the filter set active shows precisely the response predicted by REW's EQ - unfortunately not often for long.
In contrast to the setup on the desktop, on the laptop I am changing the setup often, to include changes following new measurements with REW. Can this be the reason that eq APO "forgets"previously set up commands?
Please find my current eq APO setup attached. As you can see, I switched off nearly all lines in an attempt to avoid everything that could affect the currently measurement, which is the measurement of the sub's original frequeny response without any EQ.
Hi Wolfgang,
If no commands work then a Windows update has "broken" Equalizer APO. Usually because a new updated audio device driver is installed. And usually this is fixed by starting up the Configurator. This app automatically detects if the audio stream rerouting is undone. At installation of Equalizer APO on a device the Configurator reroutes the audio stream through the audio engine of Equalizer APO.
If some commands are working then the green on/off button has been clicked. Setting it to off and the command is disabled. Looking at your image a lot of commands are disabled. It can become quite messy when using the Configuration Editor. When you want to easily switch between eq and effect configs, take a look at the Peace equalizer interface. All will be more tidy and you gain a lot of features. Also note that Graphic EQ (the 3th eq command of your image) doesn't always work properly. We don't know why as the developer hasn't responded on this whatsoever. Therefore Peace uses peak filters by default for its eq sliders.
Enable the log feature so you'll might find out the source for this ("not always working") issue. When you start playing audio EqualizerAPO writes log of what it does internally (with error note if one happens).
Windows update was certainly not the reason, because I disabled automatic updating. It bugged me too many times, on so many instances :-(
I followed your advice from the other thread, selecting SFX/EFX from the eq APO controller. Let's see if it helps.
Does the developer (of eq APO, or eq APO's graphic EQ??) ever respond to such questions?
Most of the time SFX/EFX or SFX/MFX (Windows 10/11) is more stable then the old LFX/GFX (Windows Vista/7/8). Sometimes in LFX/GFX is actually working/stable but not often.
Unfortunately the developer isn't very active, a few posts per year. So I'm dedicated to give the proper support. Others help too like Juha for instance. Anyway, I have almost 8 years of experience working with Equalizer APO, not only as the developer of the Peace equalizer interface.
It didn't help :-(
That's unfortunate. I'm not aware of any issues with the Configuration Editor although using many include files may go wrong? If, or rather when some commands aren't working then include the config.txt to a post. I'll check it and say what's active and what isn't.
Thank you for your offer, Peter! Really appreciate it! Here is the config text as per the above screenshot (sorry I have no idea why some of it prints this large, and this forum's editor doesn't seem to allow changing font size)
Device: MAYA22 Virtual CH 5-6 MAYA22USB Audio driver {194b34a6-c98d-47a3-a2a2-c067673bc9ba}; MAYA22 Virtual CH 3-4 MAYA22USB Audio driver {4c27fdcb-2a2a-4399-a934-1057163290e6}; Logilink UA0099 USB Audio Out USB Sound Device {5c950b50-61be-4ce2-946f-15cd5960c39c}
Preamp: 0 dB
GraphicEQ: 20 0; 25 0; 31.5 0; 40 0; 50 0; 63 0; 80 0; 100 0; 125 0; 160 0; 200 0; 250 0; 315 0; 400 0; 500 0; 630 0; 800 0; 1000 0; 1250 0; 1600 0; 2000 0; 2500 0; 3150 0; 4000 0; 5000 0; 6300 0; 8000 0; 10000 0; 12500 0; 16000 0; 20000 0
Channel: L=0.5L+0.5R R=0.5L+0.5R
Channel: L
Preamp: 0 dB
Channel: VL
Include: Main v2 EQ v2.txt
Delay: 1.45 ms
Filter: ON HP Fc 300 Hz
Channel: L=VL
Channel: R
Preamp: 2.77556e-17 dB
Channel: VR
Include: Sub @2,83V EQ v3.txt
Filter: ON LP Fc 300 Hz
Channel: R=VR
Sorry again, I see only now that pasting the text copied from config.txt in the editor here removed the hashes that complement all the commands out that I set inactive in eqAPO. I attach the file as such, hope that's okay with you.
Due to the # character the font becomes large. So use the code formating like so:
According to your config.txt nothing should happen as everything is 'off' accept for a tiny pre amp on the right channel (which is a bit odd by itself). What do you expect to happen?
I expect the level to change when I turn the preamp "knob", which it doesn't.
Right, for the selected devices, in this case the MAYA22 Virtual channels 3 to 6 and the Logilink audio out the levels should change. There is a catch however, as these are USB devices, Windows could create new devices (with new id's called GUIDs) everytime there's an update of these devices (in a Windows update). And a new device is being made when connecting to another USB port (creating another GUID). Unfortunately that's how Windows work. Peace tries to work around these issue but the Configuration Editor doesn't. The best thing to do is to delete the GUIDs, the value between brackets.
That may all be sometimes, in other cases, but cannot be the reason in my case. As I already expressed, automatic Windows update is disabled. I occasionally manually start a search for updates and if any are available I install them, but I didn't do this today / yesterday. And I did not connect other USB devices either.
I will the delete GUIDs tomorrow, but I will save them first so that I can compare them with the new ones after Windows created some again. And I will compare them again when eqAPO once more stops working. I'm curious ...
... and I want to thank you for your continued support!
Sorry, you're right. You've mentioned that Windows isn't updating automatically. I'm not sure what else may cause the issue (except for the usage of different USB ports). I guess the GUIDs will remain the same.
I do remember that someone in the past had some issue reported on this forum with multiple include files. I don't remember how it was resolved. Or if it was an issue at all. All I know for sure that 1 include file works without problems. My Peace app is showing the reliability of this method for almost 8 years.
I deleted the GUID now, but it did not solve the issue. I had to run the Configurator App to make eqAPO recognize my USB device again.
Since thist didn't help, I disconnected all USB devices from the laptop, took it out of the docking station, made another reboot and tried again - but again no success. eqAPO has stopped working completely in the meantime. It looks normally when I open it, but it doesn't have any effect at all.
Next I uninstalled eqAPO. I verified that the uninstall had removed everything from the Windows Programs folder, including the folder and all subfolders and config files, before I rebooted the laptop for the 99th time. After the reboot I installed it again and started it with an all new, very basic standard setup. I was surprized that the Maya USB Audio device was already selected as the standard device.
But again, even with this simple factory supplied setup, which includes a pre amp for level control, it did not work.
I really wonder what broke here. At home, this laptop normally sits in its docking station and has a USB connection to one of my monitors (a NEC PA301W), which has 2 inputs and a built in dual USB hub. Another USB Audio interface, a Logilink UA0099, is connected to this hub and drives the nearfield monitors that I already mentioned. The monitor's video and USB inputs are connected to the docking station and my stationary computer. I have set it up the so that when I switch video inputs from laptop to computer or vice versa, it automatically switches over the USB hub's input to the respective device. This way, I could use the nearfield monitors also when I was working on the laptop, with the same eq APO setup that I use on the computer. This setup contains a total of 3 include files, it was working well since months, also from the laptop - until yesterday or the day before, after I started working with REW to EQ that subwoofer and satellite system. Now it doesn't work anymore on the laptop.
There must be another reason that causes the trouble on the laptop.
Sorry if I kept ignoring your repeated suggestions to use Peace. I tried it when you first suggested it to me earlier this year, but didn't like it.
Regarding MAYA22 device, do you use Windows own USB audio drivers or native ones bundled with MAYA (or from support pages )?
If you don't get EqualizerAPO working with MAYA22, there might be a solution where you use Voicemeeter integration with it.
No problem. It's alright you don't like it. It doesn't change my effort to help. Unfortunately I don't know what else you could try. It seems you have done a lot already. And restarting many times does get a bit annoying. Commonly it's about a Windows update or a USB connection where Windows creates a new audio device everytime with a different GUID. But there must be something else going on, for instance, an antivirus/firewall app blocking Equalizer APO. Else I don't have a clue.
I finally got the thing working again. I installed new drivers for the Maya, checked all the routing and corrected the sound device used by eqAPO. In the end I'm still not sure what caused it to stop working, but I'm glad it's working again now.
Thanks a ton for all your help!
Great! Your persistance pay off. Happy to help.