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[Dirssync-opendisc] Another directory synchroniser!

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

Hot on the heels of pyrobocopy, a message just came up on comp.lang.python.announce:
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.lang.python.announce&safe=off&selm=mailman.1070724602.31055.clpa-moderators%40python.org

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Subject: ANN: dfp 0.1 
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Date: 2003-12-06 08:01:01 PST 
 

 1.1. What is dfp?
 =================


A frequent software pattern is processing files that have changed:
- an incremental backup system, which will add new and changed files to
an archive or transfer them to another computer
- a website update with the latest changes
- automatic processing, like compiling changed source code
- software integrity check: detect changed files and raise an alert


dfp is a suite of components which permit to detect changed files and to process them. The components are split into 3 categories: 
detection: dfp 
processing: dfpCopy, dfpTar, dfpZip, dfpFtp, dfpCmd 
updating: dfpUpdate 
dfp works with snapshots, i.e. an image of a situation is initially taken, and on subsequent calls the new situation is compared to the former. This comparison results in files being classified either as different, gone, new, or same. 
A processors may then be used to process some or all of these files; example processors permit to copy files, send them by ftp or put them into an archive. You may write your own processors for any specific need. 

Finally, the snapshot can be updated to reflect the processing, if successful. 



Link:
http://www.homepages.lu/pu/dfp.html

I haven't actually investigated his stuff out yet - but the description seems intriguing.



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[Dirssync-opendisc] 2 new versions in CVS

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

Version 1.14 contains the whole rewrite of Mark RFE
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Version 1.15 : jobs are now editable : RFE 816553

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Fwd: [Dirssync-opendisc] Dir synching at Python Cookbook

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

Hello, 

We are a couple of developpers around a project called
DirsSync I've started in 2000. This is a wxPython tool
that allow windows and Linux (may be Mac) users to
synchronize files between 2 directories.

http:://dirssync.sf.net

As you see below, Mark has found your code on ASPN.
At the first glance, it seems that your robotcopy has
the same goals. I will est it on Linux and Windows
(target machines on which DirsSync must run).

After couple fo years, it appers to all of us that
DirsSync must be re-write. And the possibility to use
it without wxPython comes to us.
The last CVS version goes in that direction.

Are you agreed that we include partially your code ?
I can assure that references to you will be added.

Anyway, you are welcome to join us for this project.

Thanks

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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Dir synching at Python Cookbook

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Very interesting.
free software? GPL license?
Valerio.

Mark Carter wrote:

>I found this on Python cookbook:
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[Dirssync-opendisc] Dir synching at Python Cookbook

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

I found this on Python cookbook:
Title: Python robocopier - Advanced Directory Synchronization module 
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/231501


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[Dirssync-opendisc] Improvements update

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

CVS comment: Refactored to make it scriptable

I have finished the improvements to dirssync, and will make them available to Vincent shortly in a separate email.

I have included a test script called dstest.py [Vincent: can you add it to CVS in the same directory as dirssync.py] - which automates some testing of dirssync. To run it, simply go to the command line and type
   python dstest.py
It should report that it ran 4 tests, and that they were OK (Actually, one of the tests needs tweaking by me - but it's no biggy). Before further changes are made to the repository, dstest.py should be run to ensure that nothing has been broken. You are encouraged to add tests as time goes on - that way we can ensure that there are no regression errors.

dirssync is now scriptable from python. If you run pydoc on dirssync, you will find that useful comments have been added to module documentation (I hope you all know what I mean when I refer to the 'module docs'). Just in case you haven't, I've reproduced the main module documentation:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
USING THE GUI
 
By default, Dirssync starts as a GUI application. So at the command line,
simply typing:
    dirssync.py
or maybe:
    python dirssync.py
should be enough to start the application.
 
---
USING DIRSSYNC FROM PYTHON
 
Dirssync can also be used without a GUI - making it extensible(!). Here's an
example simple session, which you can type straight in to python, or store as a script:
    import dirssync
    from dirssync import *
    listdirs = {}
    listdirs[0] = ('local', 'remote')
    t = transfer()
    actions = t.analyse(listdirs)
    SyncList(actions, t.log)
 
You can synchronise more than one directory at a time by, for example,
replacing:
    listdirs[0] = ('local', 'remote')
with something like:
    listdirs[0] = ('local1', 'remote1')
    listdirs[1] = ('local2', 'remote2')
    ... etc.
    
 
---
WINDOWS ISSUES
 
Microsoft Windows XP and 2000 cause the following problems when files are
transferred to a non-NTFS file system:
    * the modification times are incremented by 1 second
    * older Windows versions mess up the capitalisation of the files
 
This confounds dirssync, which relies on both information to determine which
files to transfer. It is recommended that only NTFS file systems be used in
conjunction with Win XP and 2K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can see that it contains a scripting example.

Enjoy!


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[Dirssync-opendisc] Improvements

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

I have already made some progress towards making dirssync accessible on the command line. Some tests have also been created.

It's not finished yet - but I'll let you know when I have something.

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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Improvements

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

--- Mark Carter <xs...@uk...> wrote:
> Boa likes to set up GUIs its way. It doesn't like
> people hand-coding bits that
> it generates automatically. 
> 
If you a so convienced, I can propose that you start
version 2.0 with boa. When GUI are acceptable, we will
continue without boa.
Since the quote-low-quote developement activity, I
think that it's feasable.




> I think that, given the pitfalls that may be
> involved, I will forget boa for
> now (but it really is a convenient environment).
> What I propose to do is edit
> dirssync minimally - using gvim. What I'll end up

Haaaa vim, so wonderfull.

> with is a version of dirssync
> that does not require a GUI to get it working. It
> will be possible to run
> dirssync from the command line.
> 
Great.


> This is convenient in itself, and will pave the way
> for unit testing.
>
Indeed.

 
> Changing code doesn't usually mess up
> internationalisation, does it?
> 
No, we will adapt it. (at least I will do it for
French
version). 

 
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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Improvements

[<mim...@ti...>]

Mark Carter wrote:

>Boa likes to set up GUIs its way. It doesn't like people hand-coding bits that
>it generates automatically. 
>
>I think that, given the pitfalls that may be involved, I will forget boa for
>now (but it really is a convenient environment). What I propose to do is edit
>dirssync minimally - using gvim. What I'll end up with is a version of dirssync
>that does not require a GUI to get it working. It will be possible to run
>dirssync from the command line.
>
>This is convenient in itself, and will pave the way for unit testing.
>
>Changing code doesn't usually mess up internationalisation, does it?
>  
>
It should not if  translated strings are not changed.
If translated strings have to be changed or added or removed 
internationalization can be easily modified.

Ciao Valerio.

[Dirssync-opendisc] Improvements

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

Boa likes to set up GUIs its way. It doesn't like people hand-coding bits that
it generates automatically. 

I think that, given the pitfalls that may be involved, I will forget boa for
now (but it really is a convenient environment). What I propose to do is edit
dirssync minimally - using gvim. What I'll end up with is a version of dirssync
that does not require a GUI to get it working. It will be possible to run
dirssync from the command line.

This is convenient in itself, and will pave the way for unit testing.

Changing code doesn't usually mess up internationalisation, does it?


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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Testing, GUIs, and boa

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

--- Mark Carter <xs...@uk...> wrote:
> Vincent:
> > I've tryied to splt the GUI from the rest. That's
> why
> > the class Transfer has been created. All the
> > synchronisation functionalities are there, the
> rest is
> > pure GUI.
> > It seems that you have not the same feeling. 
> 
> The problem is that Transfer has, for example,
> options passed in to it. options is derived from
> wxPanel. So some kind of separation between options
> and wxPanel is required.
> 
> To take another example, class panellist contain the
> functions mkdir, copy, rmregfile, rmdir. These don't
> really belong there - they are not GUI functions,
> but part of the Transfer functionality.
> 
> There are no insurmountable problems - it's just a
> case of working through it.
> 

totally true, and totally agreed that it's not the
best.




> > Yes, I know Boa, It's a quite good IDE for
> wxPython.  
> > But In 2000 Boa was not so good. May be now, it's
> the
> > good time to re-try it.
> 
> It still has its little ideosyncracies - but they
> can be overcome. And its *much* easier to use their
> GUI designer than it is to hand-code GUIs.
> 
> Once a GUI has been designed using Boa, it is best
> to commit to it forever more. Boa "autogenerates"
> many UI things, and may become upset if hand-coding
> supplements the GUI components. It has functions
> which it labels "do not edit this code" - *and it
> means it*, because it will probably wipe out any
> changes that one makes to code that it designates as
> off-limits.
> 
That's exactly what I don't like from boa.


> 
> > I'm interested by the initiative and will support
> it.
> 
> Could I persuade you to give Boa a try?
> 

What will be the benefits for DirsSync to build it via
Boa instead of via vi (I'm vi user since more than 10
years) ?


Is it possible for developers to work on the same
source of code but using a different version of Boa ?

If he respect all the "Boa guide lines", Is it
possible for a developer who don't have (or don't want
to have) Boa to contribute to DirsSync.




Thanks




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RE: [Dirssync-opendisc] Testing, GUIs, and boa

[mimisando <mim...@ti...>]

An idea could be to create a command line version of dirssync and a GUI
which works on it. This way the gui would be completly separated from the=

functionalities and dirssync could be used also without the GUI.

Ciao Valerio.

>-- Messaggio Originale --
>From: Mark Carter <xs...@uk...>
>To: dir...@li...
>Reply-To: xs...@uk...
>Subject: [Dirssync-opendisc] Testing, GUIs, and boa
>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:34:46 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>I was investigating the possibility of testing dirssync. The main proble=
m
I face is that because dirssync is wrapped up in a GUI, it makes it nigh
on impossible to test its functionality.

What really needs to happen is to separate functionality from
>GUI - which has the added advantage that people who don't want to use th=
e
GUI don't have to.

This raises a further issue - if the GUI is going to be separated out, th=
en
why not strip out the GUI stuff completely, and rebuild it using boa-cons=
tructor
>- a real-cool tool for authoring python, especially when it comes to GUI=

construction.

Comments?


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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Testing, GUIs, and boa

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

Vincent:
> I've tryied to splt the GUI from the rest. That's why
> the class Transfer has been created. All the
> synchronisation functionalities are there, the rest is
> pure GUI.
> It seems that you have not the same feeling. 

The problem is that Transfer has, for example, options passed in to it. options is derived from wxPanel. So some kind of separation between options and wxPanel is required.

To take another example, class panellist contain the functions mkdir, copy, rmregfile, rmdir. These don't really belong there - they are not GUI functions, but part of the Transfer functionality.

There are no insurmountable problems - it's just a case of working through it.

> Yes, I know Boa, It's a quite good IDE for wxPython.  
> But In 2000 Boa was not so good. May be now, it's the
> good time to re-try it.

It still has its little ideosyncracies - but they can be overcome. And its *much* easier to use their GUI designer than it is to hand-code GUIs.

Once a GUI has been designed using Boa, it is best to commit to it forever more. Boa "autogenerates" many UI things, and may become upset if hand-coding supplements the GUI components. It has functions which it labels "do not edit this code" - *and it means it*, because it will probably wipe out any changes that one makes to code that it designates as off-limits.


> I'm interested by the initiative and will support it.

Could I persuade you to give Boa a try?


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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Testing, GUIs, and boa

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--- Mark Carter <xs...@uk...> wrote:
> I was investigating the possibility of testing
> dirssync. The main problem I face is that because
> dirssync is wrapped up in a GUI, it makes it nigh on
> impossible to test its functionality.
> 
> What really needs to happen is to separate
> functionality from GUI - which has the added
> advantage that people who don't want to use the GUI
> don't have to.
> 
I've tryied to splt the GUI from the rest. That's why
the class Transfer has been created. All the
synchronisation functionalities are there, the rest is
pure GUI.
It seems that you have not the same feeling. 
You are maybe right, because patch after patch, this
split was not striclty followed.
It's may be a good opportunity to rewrite DirsSync.



> This raises a further issue - if the GUI is going to
> be separated out, then why not strip out the GUI
> stuff completely, and rebuild it using
> boa-constructor - a real-cool tool for authoring
> python, especially when it comes to GUI
> construction.
> 
Yes, I know Boa, It's a quite good IDE for wxPython.  
But In 2000 Boa was not so good. May be now, it's the
good time to re-try it.

> Comments?
> 
I'm interested by the initiative and will support it.
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[Dirssync-opendisc] Testing, GUIs, and boa

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

I was investigating the possibility of testing dirssync. The main problem I face is that because dirssync is wrapped up in a GUI, it makes it nigh on impossible to test its functionality.

What really needs to happen is to separate functionality from GUI - which has the added advantage that people who don't want to use the GUI don't have to.

This raises a further issue - if the GUI is going to be separated out, then why not strip out the GUI stuff completely, and rebuild it using boa-constructor - a real-cool tool for authoring python, especially when it comes to GUI construction.

Comments?

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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] comparaison : md5sum

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

--- Mark Carter <xs...@uk...> wrote:
> --- vincent delft <vin...@ya...> wrote:
> 
> > Can you give me more details about MD5sum checks ?
> 
> It's just a checksum - a number derived from the
> contents of the file, like a fingerprint. The good
> thing about it is that you can tell if 2 files are
> different just by looking at their checksum
> 
> > Doing such check will show you a difference when
> one
> > of the file has been updated. My question is which
> one
> > must be synchronized ?
> 
> Offhand, it would not be possible to tell, unless
> you stored the checksum somewhere. For a one-way
> transfer, though, the fact that the checksums are
> different implies that a transfer is required.
> 

Even if I store the checksum somewhere, what's the
added value ?
You will have 2 files and 4 checksums, and then ??
Sorry I don't understand.

For me the main advantage of dirssync is not that he's
comparing files, he's taking decesion to replace one
of the two. 

Checksum will be a way to detect that 2 files are
different, but we must decide which one will replace
the other one. For that point we will decide on
modification time ... Thus why use the cpu for doing
checksum.

 




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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] comparaison : md5sum

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

--- vincent delft <vin...@ya...> wrote:

> Can you give me more details about MD5sum checks ?

It's just a checksum - a number derived from the contents of the file, like a fingerprint. The good thing about it is that you can tell if 2 files are different just by looking at their checksum

> Doing such check will show you a difference when one
> of the file has been updated. My question is which one
> must be synchronized ?

Offhand, it would not be possible to tell, unless you stored the checksum somewhere. For a one-way transfer, though, the fact that the checksums are different implies that a transfer is required.

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[Dirssync-opendisc] comparaison : md5sum

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

Thanks for your interest on DirsSync.

Can you give me more details about MD5sum checks ?

Doing such check will show you a difference when one
of the file has been updated. My question is which one
must be synchronized ?

Thanks

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[Dirssync-opendisc] Release of DirsSync-1.3

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

launch of the new stable DirsSync with new web site,
with new logo (Thanks to Valerio and Sara).

Annonces on Pypi, Vault of parnasus (and thus
python.annonce), Freshmeat, Sourceforge.

MANY, MANY thanks to Mark, Valerio, Chris and Sara. in
your area your are all responsible of the progress of
this application.




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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] last stuff before release 1.3

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

I've added a comment for Internet Explorer users to
the header of the web page.


--- "mim...@ti..."
<mim...@ti...> wrote:
> Testing new web page:
> 
>     On Mozilla Firebird 0.6   OK
>     On Mozilla 1.5 for win32 OK
>     On IE  5.50, I had a problem: The left frame
> seems to be loked to 
> the bottom of the web page. So, when I open the page
> the frame is not 
> visible; to see it I have to scroll to the end of
> the page. (the links 
> seem to work).
> 
> Ciao Valerio.
> 
> vincent delft wrote:
> 
> >AFAIK there is no more known bug in this versoin.
> >
> >I'm asking your feedbacks about the new web site
> >(style, english, ...) 
> >http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/new2index.html
> >It's a XHTML web page with full of CSS.
> >I don't know if current browser will display it
> >correctly.
> >It works well with Konqueror (KDE 3.1.4) and
> Mozilla
> >1.5. What about IE ?
> >
> >I would like to get your vote about the logo.
> >Can you check this : 
> >http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/logos.html
> >and give me your preference.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] last stuff before release 1.3

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Testing new web page:

    On Mozilla Firebird 0.6   OK
    On Mozilla 1.5 for win32 OK
    On IE  5.50, I had a problem: The left frame seems to be loked to 
the bottom of the web page. So, when I open the page the frame is not 
visible; to see it I have to scroll to the end of the page. (the links 
seem to work).

Ciao Valerio.

vincent delft wrote:

>AFAIK there is no more known bug in this versoin.
>
>I'm asking your feedbacks about the new web site
>(style, english, ...) 
>http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/new2index.html
>It's a XHTML web page with full of CSS.
>I don't know if current browser will display it
>correctly.
>It works well with Konqueror (KDE 3.1.4) and Mozilla
>1.5. What about IE ?
>
>I would like to get your vote about the logo.
>Can you check this : 
>http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/logos.html
>and give me your preference.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
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[Dirssync-opendisc] Re: last stuff before release 1.3

[Mark C. <xs...@uk...>]

> From:   vincent delft <vin...@ya...>
> To:   dir...@li...
> Subject:   [Dirssync-opendisc] last stuff before release 1.3
> Date:   Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:19:40 +0000 
> 
> I'm asking your feedbacks about the new web site
> (style, english, ...) 
> http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/new2index.html

I preferred the one you did just recently.

> It works well with Konqueror (KDE 3.1.4) and Mozilla
> 1.5. What about IE ?

Something is wrong. The sidebar to the left appears at the bottom left
of the page, after the main body of text. There are also white gaps
between each section in the main body (I assume this wasn't intended).

> I would like to get your vote about the logo.
> Can you check this : 
> http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/logos.html

One of the problems with 2 and 3 is that you will have difficulty
putting them against a background. The backgound wont continue in the


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[Dirssync-opendisc] last stuff before release 1.3

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AFAIK there is no more known bug in this versoin.

I'm asking your feedbacks about the new web site
(style, english, ...) 
http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/new2index.html
It's a XHTML web page with full of CSS.
I don't know if current browser will display it
correctly.
It works well with Konqueror (KDE 3.1.4) and Mozilla
1.5. What about IE ?

I would like to get your vote about the logo.
Can you check this : 
http://dirssync.sourceforge.net/logos.html
and give me your preference.

Thanks






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Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Unit Testing

[<mim...@ti...>]

In my opinion this is a very good idea.
Unit testing is necessary for a serius project.
Valerio.

Mark Carter wrote:

>Ah, the boring question of unit testing. I'm thinking of writing some
>automated unit tests for Dirssync ... just simple stuff. 
>
>The file which does the testing will be called test.py - and I would
>like it to be placed in the CVS repository. Is that OK, Vincent?
>
>Testing is boring, to be sure, but by automating it we will at least take
>the drudgery out of running the tests. This'll give us a more robust
>product. 
>
>Comments?
>
>  
>

Re: [Dirssync-opendisc] Unit Testing

[vincent d. <vin...@ya...>]

Yes. very good.

I will look at it this evening. 

Any way you are in the dev. list ... thus I trust you
to put good code in cvs tree. 

Thanks Mark.



--- Mark Carter <xs...@uk...> wrote:
> Unit Testing
> 
> Ah, the boring question of unit testing. I'm
> thinking of writing some
> automated unit tests for Dirssync ... just simple
> stuff. 
> 
> The file which does the testing will be called
> test.py - and I would
> like it to be placed in the CVS repository. Is that
> OK, Vincent?
> 
> Testing is boring, to be sure, but by automating it
> we will at least take
> the drudgery out of running the tests. This'll give
> us a more robust
> product. 
> 
> Comments?
> 
> 
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