Re: [Plone-docs] Server Guide: Overview and Document structure

[Russ F. <ru...@to...>]

(Splitting this for the plone-docs list - including attachment it was =20=

too big)
Interesting, Chris.
I'm in the middle of a proposal and only have a moment. Paraphrasing =20
Pascal, this would have been shorter, but I hadn't the time.
Attached is a version that has worked for Z2 and recent Plones, and =20
that I've recently hastily modified for Z3, standalone.
It's not quality but has served quite well. It used to smartly apply =20
diffs to client and zeo config files, but that was a pain to keep up =20
to date.
The precursor was a pure shell script. It was when I moved from that =20
to python that I lost patience with the diff'd config files.
The package info that's currently hard coded could easily be external =20=

to remove a major source of change in the script itself
It's irritating how conventions about .tgz, .tar.gz and version =20
numbering have changed in Plone and Zope. Makes it hard to automate. =20
And sometimes unzipped packages are names a bit different from the =20
tar files they were in. So there's that horrible kludge about =20
building as you'll see. Lots of this could be improved by having some =20=

nice managed config info in a public place.
Best would be to install by fetching the script and tools from svn. A =20=

list of options for bundles could be offered or passed as params.
I think it's time to move more to this model (possible exception of =20
Windows) and away from packaged installers which need much =20
maintenance for the value they provide, and only provide a 'getting-=20
started' kind of config. The ones I know seem to put things in /usr/=20
local/zope and forget that there will be multiple concurrent =20
versions, installations, some for testing, some for production ;) - =20
I'm moving over to a setup that facilitates virtual servers-  no need =20=

to go outside a virt server root, but that can be configured for a =20
'systemwide' installation.
other notes;
testZEO is the script to start things up.
I need (we all need) the ability to have specific python =20
installations to maintain control of special site-package configs. =20
Lots more things coming inside eggs, PIL, SQLObject, etc.
I rely on there being a platform python to run all this with. But I =20
never use that to run Zope.
in fstools.py  curlFile() looks for cached versions of the file to =20
get. Saves some time during testing, while still not needing to rsync =20=

from a preloaded server.
Now show me yours! ;)
--r


On 20 Apr 2006, at 19:18, Chris Steel wrote:

>
> I use a rather kludgy install script I've developed that does a =20
> from-source
> build and install of python, zope, plone, linguaplone.
> It always creates ZEO client0 and client1.
> I find it really useful for dev and debugging, even before we get to
> multiprocessor systems and performance.
> Each zope install gets its own pet python, so everything is very =20
> controlled,
> including python add-ons like PIL.
> Would it be worthwhile to recommend ZEO clients as a standard part =20
> of server
> setup?
> --r
>
> Russ,
>
> I am in the process of building an rsync / ssh script to do the =20
> same thing.
> Right now I use it for installing plone products on a remote dev =20
> system. The
> script is also "rather clunky" but gets the job done. Basically it  =20=

> ssh's
> into the server, rsyncs an installation directory and then runs a =20
> script
> that was rsynced onto the server with the package. It then installs =20=

> the
> products, corrects ownership info an so forth. Want to trade  =20
> scripts? That
> could save me a lot of time and it is basically where I am headed now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Steel
>
> manoeuvre.org
>
>
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