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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:08:55 +0800
Leslie Jackson <cew...@16...> wrote:

> One thing i haven't do

s/do/done/

Sorry for the typo.

-- 
Leslie Jackson

Committed all changes to the CVS, in a hope that they would help
in some way.  Please do a 'cvs diff'.

One thing i haven't do is: s/Visual/可视/g. (But i prefer to make it
translated).

-- 
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<BackSpace> --> ÍË¸ñ¼ü
<Space> --> ¿Õ¸ñ¼ü (already popular)
<Enter>  --> »Ø³µ¼ü (already popula)
<Up><Down><Left><Right> --> ¹â±êÒÆ¶¯¼ü, ¹â±ê¼ü
<Up>  --> ÉÏÒÆ±æ
<Down> -->  ÏÂÒÆ¼ü
<Left> --> ×óÒÆ¼ü
<Right> --> ÓÑÒÆ¼ü

<Delete> --> É¾³ý¼ü
<Insert> --> ²åÈë¼ü
<Home> --> 
<End> -->
<PageUp> -->
<PageDown> -->

<Tab> --> (popular choice ÖÆ±í·û¼ü)
<Esc> --> ÌÓÉú¼ü (any better one?)
<Shift> --> 
<Ctrl> --> ¿ØÖÆ¼ü
<Alt> --> 

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>  
> > There are some formation problem (I think I must 
> > have deleted some <TAB>). Time to use the tricks in 
> > usr_30.txt.
> 
> Then my translated file will be reviewed again.  ;-)

I think maybe we all do.

> > 
> 
> Some coloring stuff seems not to have worked pretty well.
> 
Where in particular?

To all:

I've also checked in the Makefiles to generate these html
files. So if you are in 'data/www', you do a 'make html',
you will have those html files in 'data/www/htdocs/doc/'

Please verify that your file renders OK.

But at the moment I am a bit confused, I tried different
browsers and they gave me different rendering result. Who
is familiar with Chinse web page authoring?

lang2

On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:27:56 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've made the HTML version of the translated documentations
> online.

Good job, lang2.

> There are some formation problem (I think I must 
> have deleted some <TAB>). Time to use the tricks in 
> usr_30.txt.

Then my translated file will be reviewed again.  ;-)

> 
> Anyway, check them out and see what you think.
> 

Some coloring stuff seems not to have worked pretty well.

-- 
Leslie Jackson

On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:25:10 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

To YC & lang2:

Thanks for your time and insights. :-) 
I adopted your advice and committed the modified file to the CVS server.

To all:

Glad if you'd like to do a 'cvs diff' and tell me whether there's still
something to be corrected or refined. 

BTW, sometimes i can't see the Chinese characters in your guys' mails.
And have you noticed that some of your emails couldn't well remain the
headers' threading?  Maybe have to config your mail client??

Regards,

-- 
Leslie Jackson

>   
> ×Ô¶¯Ëõ½øµÄÈ·×öµÃºÜºÃ£¬µ«ÔÚÄ³Ð©Çé¿öÏÂ,ÄãÒ²ÐíÒªÈÃËüÊ§Ð§¡£

No. The text means you can do it yourself.
> 
>    Original text --> ÔÎÄ

agree.

> »ò²»Òë¡£

That could be a good idea.

> 
>       great --> ÁË²»Æð 
> 

I think that is good.

--- Leslie Jackson <cew...@16...> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:06:55 +0000
> "lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 188     Missing a sentence or two
> 
> Find it hard to translate. How would you guys
> translate the following
> sentence:
> 
> "Vim knows a lot about C programs and will try very
> hard to
> automatically set the indent for you."
> 
> > 228     The use of 'fu4gai4' is probably wrong.
> 
> How about 'È¡Ïû'? 

The word overrule means 'invalidate' here. 
"The automatic indenting does a good job,but in some
situations you might want
to overrule it."

×Ô¶¯Ëõ½øµÄÈ·×öµÃºÜºÃ£¬µ«ÔÚÄ³Ð©Çé¿öÏÂ,ÄãÒ²ÐíÒªÈÃËüÊ§Ð§¡£

> 358     'zui4chi1wen2ben3' -> 'yuan2wen2ben3'
> 
> 'ÔÊ¼ÎÄ±¾' 

   Original text --> ÔÎÄ

> > 375     'tuo3xie2' -> 'zhe2zhong1'
> 
> Right.
> 
> 424     'hui2tui4jian4' can we find a better word
for 
> Backspace here. Any suggestion?
> 
> None i know of.

BackSpace --> ¡°»ØÍË¡± ¡°ºóÍË¡± »¹ÐÐ°É£¿ ¡£¡£¡£
»ò²»Òë¡£

> 456     Translating 'great' into 'wei3da4de' isn't
> right.
> 
> What do you think is the right translation? 
> 
> "One of the great things about Vim is that it
> understands comments."
> 
> Any hint or insight would be appreciated.  TIA.

      great --> ÁË²»Æð 

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What do you guys think of unicode? Shall we support that?

&#27979;&#35797;

Hi all,

I've made the HTML version of the translated documentations
online. There are some formation problem (I think I must 
have deleted some <TAB>). Time to use the tricks in 
usr_30.txt.

Anyway, check them out and see what you think.

lang2

vim...@li... 

I thought you were not to do it again. 
We will forgive you this time.

Gota use pinyin!

On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:14:28 +0800
> Hi lang2:
> 
> > > How to translate it these sentences delicately? May be you can give
> > > me some advice.
> > > >     The Vim editor is not a word processor.

bian1ji4qi4
zi4 chu4li3 qi4

> > > >     That's a blank line, but not an empty line.
> > >     I translate this sentence as ???????,???????.
> >how about

yi3 kong4bai2 zi4fu2 zu3cheng2 de hang2

Hi all,

I've finished the 'help.txt' last night. That was actually
easy since Ken and all you guys have actually translated 
many of them already. i just had to copy and paste them.

So a quick review maybe?

lang2

> > I've just checked in the latest effort of the
> > quickref.txt.
> 
> ÎÒ¾õµÃ Pattern Õâ¸ö´ÊÒªÍ³Ò»Ò»ÏÂ¡£ quickref
> Àï½«ËüÒëÎªÄ£Ê½£¬
> Õâ¸ú mode Õâ¸ö´Ê»ìÍ¬ÁË£¬ ºÃÏñ¡®ÐÍÊ½¡¯ ¸üÌùÇÐÒ»Ð©¡£ 

Agree. However, I'd inclined to change the translation for 'mode'.
Suggestions please.

see attachement
[snip]
> > 
>   ÎÒÃÇ¶ÔÒ»ÐÐ¶à¿í»òÒ»ÐÐ¼¸×ÖÉÐÎÞ¹æ¶¨£¬
> ²»Í¬µÄÈËÓÃ²»Í¬´óÐ¡×ÖÌå
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> ÓÃ12ºÅ

No. We are talking about 'pure' text here. The rendring deosn't matter.
No matter what font you used in Vim, they will be stored in the same
way. 

> I've just checked in the latest effort of the
> quickref.txt.

ÎÒ¾õµÃ Pattern Õâ¸ö´ÊÒªÍ³Ò»Ò»ÏÂ¡£ quickref
Àï½«ËüÒëÎªÄ£Ê½£¬
Õâ¸ú mode Õâ¸ö´Ê»ìÍ¬ÁË£¬ ºÃÏñ¡®ÐÍÊ½¡¯ ¸üÌùÇÐÒ»Ð©¡£ 

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On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:06:55 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> 188     Missing a sentence or two

Find it hard to translate. How would you guys translate the following
sentence:

"Vim knows a lot about C programs and will try very hard to
automatically set the indent for you."

> 228     The use of 'fu4gai4' is probably wrong.

How about '取消'? 

> 358     'zui4chi1wen2ben3' -> 'yuan2wen2ben3'

'原始文本' 

> 375     'tuo3xie2' -> 'zhe2zhong1'

Right.

> 424     'hui2tui4jian4' can we find a better word for 
>         Backspace here. Any suggestion?

None i know of.

> 456     Translating 'great' into 'wei3da4de' isn't right.

What do you think is the right translation? 

"One of the great things about Vim is that it understands comments."

Any hint or insight would be appreciated.  TIA.

-- 
Leslie Jackson

> > Õâ¿Õ¸ñºÃÏñ»¹ÓÐÖÐÓ¢ÎÄµÄÇø±ðÄØ£¬ ÊÇ°É£¿
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  I thought that one space in Chinese text occupies
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  Sorry. Ignore it.   

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> 
> We better off use Chinese ones as Chinese is our target 
> language.  

I thought you might. :-)

> Bottom Line: Use Chinese ones as possible, except for quotes.
> (I know it's not that consistent but "It's a good compromise".)

Ok. I got one vote for 'pure eng' and one for 'mixed eng and chn'. 
Seems like a draw. Anyone else?

> I'd like to translate 'column' to 'ÁÐ'.

Adopted!

On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:06:55 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> I've just finished reviewing your usr_30.txt. 

Thanks for your time. 

> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Line#                   Comments
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> [snip]

I'm going to correct the errors. 

-- 
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:50:29 +0000
"lang2   " <wzh...@po...> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Please update your sandbox. I've added in a guides.txt in 
> 'data' and checked in a new 'dict.txt'.
> 
> This is to make sure that we translate *as a group* not
> as individules. I think there should be compulsory ones 
> and recommendations.

Indeed.

Just took a look at those two files. Here're some of my thoughts:

1) About the guides.txt:

>标点符号: 建议统一使用英文标点.(或者统一
>使用中文标点.总之要统一)

We better off use Chinese ones as Chinese is our target language.  One
exception is for the quotes.  I just found Chinese quotes shown in files
were not so neat or comfortable.  And also, a lot of words quoted by
single quotes are Vim's option names, which are tags that can be
referenced.

Bottom Line: Use Chinese ones as possible, except for quotes.
(I know it's not that consistent but "It's a good compromise".)

2) About the dict.txt:

I'd like to translate 'column' to '列'.

Just my 2 cents.  Let's see our teammates' insights.

-- 
Leslie Jackson

> 
> Would it be nice having dict.txt sorted?
> 

Yes. It would.

> Also, the list should be much expanded. Do you want
> all of us to contribute tech words? 

Indeed. I would like all of you *add* in new terms.
But changing the translation will have to be agreed 
by the majority hence has to be discussed first, I think.

I think it would be handy for you to subscribe to another
private mailing list about cvs commits. That way you won't
missing anything.

lang2

> Please update your sandbox. I've added in a
> guides.txt in 
> 'data' and checked in a new 'dict.txt'.

Would it be nice having dict.txt sorted?

Also, the list should be much expanded. Do you want
all of us to contribute tech words? 

CY

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--- lang2    <wzh...@po...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Please update your sandbox. I've added in a
> guides.txt in 
> 'data' and checked in a new 'dict.txt'.
> 
> This is to make sure that we translate *as a group*
> not
> as individules. I think there should be compulsory
> ones 
> and recommendations. E.g things like 'folding' has
> to be 
> translated into one word in all the documents.
> 
> These are all *drafts* and they should be dynamic as
> well.
>  I am only starting these to ask your
> opinion. It is more of a place-holder for you guys
> to 
> contribute than anything. So please do take a look
> (won't
> take you long) and see what you think. Either it is
> great
> of crap, please discuss them here.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> lang2
> 
> 
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