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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] [Tuxpaint-users] Digital Arts & Crafts Studio

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 10:01 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:53:16PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote:
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting
> > 
> > This makes it look like it may be xorg.conf related.
> 
> That assumes it's a Wacom-based device (which it probably is, based on how
> it works -- not that I've played with other brands of digitizers, other than
> on PDAs and a Koala Pad back on the C=64 and Atari :) -- that is, you hover
> the stylus to move, and touch the stylus to click).
> 
> That also assumes the protocol looks like other Wacom devices, and hence
> X11 will understand it. :)
> 
> Here's hoping,

I don't know - but it's worth a go! It could be in xorg.conf like mice
and keyboards and wacoms are. Google found no-one playing with this
thing, all the hits were mirrors of this email list.. Mattell's tech
support stuff was dire.

There is a link off one of those pages to the guide to the wacom driver.
It seems that there is a specific wacom protocol or two. Maybe a wacom
driver hacker could point us in the right direction? 

We know a driver is attaching to it, we just don't know any more.. 

I also saw that under windows the tablet stops the keyboard and mouse
being used. 

Maybe a good first step would be to see if we can get tuxpaint for
windows to work with the tablet's driver, without loading the tablet's
software instead. Alas that would involve having to use windows..

Caroline

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] [Tuxpaint-users] Digital Arts & Crafts Studio

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:53:16PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting
> 
> This makes it look like it may be xorg.conf related.

That assumes it's a Wacom-based device (which it probably is, based on how
it works -- not that I've played with other brands of digitizers, other than
on PDAs and a Koala Pad back on the C=64 and Atari :) -- that is, you hover
the stylus to move, and touch the stylus to click).

That also assumes the protocol looks like other Wacom devices, and hence
X11 will understand it. :)

Here's hoping,

-- 
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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Digital Arts & Crafts Studio

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:18:23PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> 
> I saw this kit at a store recently:
> 
>   http://www.fisher-price.com/us/products/product.asp?id=40693

I got one for my wedding anniversary! :)  For those curious, it looks like
some kind of HID device for the tablet, and probably a joystick for the
buttons.

Here's my /var/log/syslog as I plug it in:

Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu kernel: [ 3786.092000] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu kernel: [ 3786.100000] hiddev96: USB HID v1.11 Device [Fisher-Price DACS] on usb-0000:00:1d.2-2
Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu NetworkManager: <debug> [1193780532.714277] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_813_1006_DACS0000001_if0').
Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu NetworkManager: <debug> [1193780532.722439] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_813_1006_DACS0000001_usbraw').

and my dmesg:

[ 3779.380000] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 3
[ 3785.908000] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[ 3786.092000] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 3786.100000] hiddev96: USB HID v1.11 Device [Fisher-Price DACS] on usb-0000:00:1d.2-2

No luck reading either, except I can see things change if I watch the
binary stream coming out of /dev/usb/hiddev0, as I move the stylus over the
tablet.

When/if I can get it to work, and decide to add support for it to, I think
I'd probably map the buttons as follows:

Top left:

* Eraser
  Eraser tool

* Paint can
  (Not sure yet)

* Paint brush
  Paint tool

* Pencil
  Line tool

Top right:

* Printer
  Print command

* Brush/House/Scissors
  (Not sure yet)

Bottom right:

* Color buttons
  Appropriate colors, of course

* Color wheel button
  Bring up the color-picker dialog (new to Tux Paint 0.9.18)

Bottom left:

* Undo arrow
  Undo command

* Explosion
  New command

* Magic wand
  Magic tools

* "ABCD"
  Text tool

* Paint bucket
  Magic "Flood fill" tool

* Rubber stamp smiley
  Stamps tool

* Picture of scenery
  (Not sure yet)

* Sliding toolbox switch
  (Not sure yet)


On the back:

* Power button
  Quit, maybe?


If anyone'd like to help me on my way to getting this thing recognized and
working under Ubuntu Gusty (Linux 2.6.22 kernel), please feel free to respond
here! :)

Anyone else get ahold of one of these devices yet?

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bi...@ne...
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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 10:34:52PM +0100, Pere Pujal i Carabantes wrote:
> Yes, with nosysfonts doesn't crash, but is better to don't crash at
> all :)

Sadly, sometimes these black boxes we depend on (called Libraries)
decide to crash for us. ;)

(Disclaimer: I haven't looked at this particular crash :) )

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Pere P. i C. <pe...@fo...>]

El ds 27 de 10 del 2007 a les 10:39 -0700, en/na Bill Kendrick va
escriure:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 01:05:54AM +0200, Pere Pujal i Carabantes wrote:
> > Well, I have uninstalled some fonts and now tuxpaint text tool runs
> > right.
> > 
> > If I have more time I will try to identify the offending font.

The font that is crashing tuxpaint on my box comes with the package
ttf-arabeyes.
You can see a description of it here:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/ttf-arabeyes
and download from here if it is not packaged for your distribution.
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/ttf-arabeyes/ttf-arabeyes_2.0-1_all.deb


> Thanks.  BTW, the "--nosysfonts" (I believe) option would help here, etc.
> :)
> 
Yes, with nosysfonts doesn't crash, but is better to don't crash at
all :)


Yours
Pere

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 08:44:27AM +0100, Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote:
> 
> >> And neither sparkles nor distortion is translatable.
> >
> > As in, not gettext()ed?
> 
> Yes. After running the 'update-po.sh' script, the two text strings for
> distortion don't end up in the PO files.

Ah, no, it was just that I failed to add "magic/src/distortion.c" to
POTFILES.in.

I've done that, and re-ran update-po.sh to update the POT and POs.

Thx!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Karl O. H. <ka...@hu...>]

Bill Kendrick skreiv:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 07:29:00PM +0100, Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote:
>>
>> I used to get a segfault with the text tool. I don't now (current CVS
>> version).
>
> Has SDL_ttf or FreeType updated on your system?

Yes. I have updated to Mandriva 2008.0.

>> I do get segfault with the sparkles magic tool, though.
>
> The Sparkles tool has been removed; perhaps you need to do an
> uninstall and reinstall?

I'll try.

>> And neither sparkles nor distortion is translatable.
>
> As in, not gettext()ed?

Yes. After running the 'update-po.sh' script, the two text strings for
distortion don't end up in the PO files.

-- 
Karl Ove Hufthammer

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 11:15:31PM +0100, Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote:
> Then don't call it a release candidate; call it a beta! A 'release candidate'
> should be a real candidate for release, with all translations completed and 
> with no known critical bugs. If no such bugs are found, the release will be 
> identical to the release candiate.

Ah, ok, sorry :)

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 07:29:00PM +0100, Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote:
> 
> I used to get a segfault with the text tool. I don't now (current CVS 
> version).

Has SDL_ttf or FreeType updated on your system?  I _did_ touch a lot of
font-related stuff when adding SDL_Pango support, so perhaps I caught and
fixed a bug there...?

I've definitely still seen it crash when trying to use system-wide fonts,
unfortunately.


> I do get segfault with the sparkles magic tool, though.

The Sparkles tool has been removed; perhaps you need to do an
uninstall and reinstall?

The old sparkles were replaced with a brush that does pretty much the
same thing (sans sound effects).  A new tool was written that I ended
up naming "Light."


> And neither sparkles nor distortion is translatable.

As in, not gettext()ed?  Or as in, you don't know what I mean by the word?
The effect is vaguely based on the invisibility effect of the Predator
from the Predator movies, honestly. :)  But more realistically, you can think
of it as the effect hot air has when you look through it (like heat coming
off the back of a jet engine).  Does that make sense?

Thanks!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Karl O. H. <ka...@hu...>]

Sundag 28 oktober 2007 skreiv Bill Kendrick:
>On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 07:35:42PM +0100, Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote:
>> M=E5ndag 22 oktober 2007 skreiv Bill Kendrick:
>> >I've rolled a tarball of Tux Paint in CVS, calling it 0.9.18rc1
>> >(release candidate #1 of the next version: 0.9.18).
>>
>> Why did you create a release candidate without requesting
>> updates from the translators first?
>
>It's a chicken-and-egg thing.  If translators can more easily get to the
>PO files, see them in action, etc., they seem more likely to translate. ;)
>
>I haven't really feature-froze, yet... I did want to get a slightly wider
>audience to try out some of the new features, since I hadn't been touching
>the code for a while.

Then don't call it a release candidate; call it a beta! A 'release candidat=
e'=20
should be a real candidate for release, with all translations completed and=
=20
with no known critical bugs. If no such bugs are found, the release will be=
=20
identical to the release candiate.

=2D-=20
Karl Ove Hufthammer

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 07:35:42PM +0100, Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote:
> Måndag 22 oktober 2007 skreiv Bill Kendrick:
> >I've rolled a tarball of Tux Paint in CVS, calling it 0.9.18rc1
> >(release candidate #1 of the next version: 0.9.18).
> 
> Why did you create a release candidate without requesting 
> updates from the translators first?

It's a chicken-and-egg thing.  If translators can more easily get to the
PO files, see them in action, etc., they seem more likely to translate. ;)

I haven't really feature-froze, yet... I did want to get a slightly wider
audience to try out some of the new features, since I hadn't been touching
the code for a while.

I'd like to get a release out BEFORE December, since Tux Paint will be
featured in an article in a major magazine in their January 2008 issue! :)
(Which means it'll probably be mailed, and/or hit newsstands in December
some time.)

Thanks!

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Karl O. H. <ka...@hu...>]

M=E5ndag 22 oktober 2007 skreiv Bill Kendrick:
>I've rolled a tarball of Tux Paint in CVS, calling it 0.9.18rc1
>(release candidate #1 of the next version: 0.9.18).

Why did you create a release candidate without requesting=20
updates from the translators first?

=2D-=20
Karl Ove Hufthammer

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Karl O. H. <ka...@hu...>]

Fredag 26 oktober 2007 skreiv Pere Pujal i Carabantes:

>> rc2 is now available, along with Tux Paint Config 0.0.9rc1.
>
>I get a segfault with the text tool.
>Can someone else reproduce?

I used to get a segfault with the text tool. I don't now (current CVS 
version).

I do get segfault with the sparkles magic tool, though.

And neither sparkles nor distortion is translatable.

-- 
Karl Ove Hufthammer

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 01:05:54AM +0200, Pere Pujal i Carabantes wrote:
> Well, I have uninstalled some fonts and now tuxpaint text tool runs
> right.
> 
> If I have more time I will try to identify the offending font.

Thanks.  BTW, the "--nosysfonts" (I believe) option would help here, etc.
:)

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Pere P. i C. <pe...@fo...>]

El dv 26 de 10 del 2007 a les 23:37 +0200, en/na Pere Pujal i Carabantes
va escriure: 
> El dt 23 de 10 del 2007 a les 09:34 -0700, en/na Bill Kendrick va
> escriure:
> 
> > rc2 is now available, along with Tux Paint Config 0.0.9rc1.
> > 
> 
> I get a segfault with the text tool.
> Can someone else reproduce?
> I have _lots_ of fonts currently installed,(more than 30000) I will try
> deinstalling some of them and retry. 
> 

Well, I have uninstalled some fonts and now tuxpaint text tool runs
right.

If I have more time I will try to identify the offending font.

Yours
Pere

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Pere P. i C. <pe...@fo...>]

El dv 26 de 10 del 2007 a les 23:37 +0200, en/na Pere Pujal i Carabantes
va escriure:
> El dt 23 de 10 del 2007 a les 09:34 -0700, en/na Bill Kendrick va
> escriure:
> 
> > rc2 is now available, along with Tux Paint Config 0.0.9rc1.
> > 
> 
> I get a segfault with the text tool.
> Can someone else reproduce?
> I have _lots_ of fonts currently installed,(more than 30000) I will try
> deinstalling some of them and retry. 
> 
> 
> About the magic "Shift"
> If the image is asociated to a starter, when displacing the image, 
> the starter gets copied into the image but not displaced with it, 
> so you have two or more starters.
> 
> 
Oops, and mirror/flip have the text changed!
comment for mirror displays with flip.
comment for flip displays with mirror.

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Pere P. i C. <pe...@fo...>]

El dt 23 de 10 del 2007 a les 09:34 -0700, en/na Bill Kendrick va
escriure:

> rc2 is now available, along with Tux Paint Config 0.0.9rc1.
> 

I get a segfault with the text tool.
Can someone else reproduce?
I have _lots_ of fonts currently installed,(more than 30000) I will try
deinstalling some of them and retry. 


About the magic "Shift"
If the image is asociated to a starter, when displacing the image, 
the starter gets copied into the image but not displaced with it, 
so you have two or more starters.


Yours
Pere

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Printing in Vista

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:02:02AM -0700, kjetilostereng wrote:
> 
> We're experiencing some problems regarding printing from TuxPaint using
> Windows Vista. What exactly the problem is, I don't know, but pushing print
> in TuxPaint doesn't result in any paper coming out of the printer. It seems
> like the print job never leaves TuxPaint, at least it doesn't show up in the
> que. Any hints, tips of fixes?

Hey there!  There's a slight bug in Tux Paint 0.9.17 where it's missing
the printer configuration file.  You can create one by holding [Alt] as you
click 'Print', to bring up a printer configuration dialog.  After that,
it should work (without needing to hold [Alt] to get the dialog every time).

This, and a few other minor issues in the latest version of Tux Paint,
is mentioned on the Known Issues page:

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/docs/known_issues/

Good luck!

-bill!

[Tuxpaint-devel] Printing in Vista

[kjetilostereng <kje...@hi...>]

We're experiencing some problems regarding printing from TuxPaint using
Windows Vista. What exactly the problem is, I don't know, but pushing print
in TuxPaint doesn't result in any paper coming out of the printer. It seems
like the print job never leaves TuxPaint, at least it doesn't show up in the
que. Any hints, tips of fixes?


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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 02:31:26PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> 
> I've rolled a tarball of Tux Paint in CVS, calling it 0.9.18rc1
> (release candidate #1 of the next version: 0.9.18).

rc2 is now available, along with Tux Paint Config 0.0.9rc1.

I just added support for setting the "nolockfile" option in the
config file (previously, it was _only_ available as a command-line option).

You can grab the source tarballs from here:

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/source/

-bill!

[Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18rc1 available

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

I've rolled a tarball of Tux Paint in CVS, calling it 0.9.18rc1
(release candidate #1 of the next version: 0.9.18).

You can grab the source tarball directly from here:

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/source/tuxpaint-0.9.18rc1.tar.gz

It weighs in at around 7.6MB.  Please check it out and let me know if you
have any issues.

John Popplewell and Martin Fuhrer have been looking at what's in CVS,
preparing to make Windows and Mac OS X builds, respectively.  Once any
changes they need are in CVS, and any other issues are ironed out,
0.9.18 can be officially released.

In the meantime, there may be more "rc" source tarballs, and hopefully
some "rc" binary builds for Win32 and OSX.

Thanks and good luck!

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[Tuxpaint-devel] Volunteers needed for FLOSS Usability Sprint [San Francisco Bay Area]

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

The Tux Paint project hopes to participate in the upcoming
Free/Libre/Open Source Software ('FLOSS') Usability Sprint
at Google Inc's campus in Mountain View, California.

It takes place Friday November 2nd through Sunday, November 4th.

  http://www.flossusability.org/

To summarize the event (from their website):

  "Our strategy for improving the usability of FLOSS is to attack the
  entire system, not just individual projects within the system.
  In particular, we want to bring the already established, but siloed
  usability and open source communities together and catalyze
  collaboration between them."


I'm interested in having the Tux Paint project attend with the hopes
that the usability experts attending can help us improve the usability
of our documentation and website.  (Working on the app itself is less
important to me, since I personally feel it needs less work on the
usability front.  I won't discourage interested parties from looking at it,
though! :^) )

If you'd like to help, and are available to attend the Sprint any part
of Nov. 2nd thru 4th, please contact me directly:

  bi...@ne...

Thanks!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18 status

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

On 22/10/2007, Caroline Ford <car...@go...> wrote:
> On 22/10/2007, tor...@at... <tor...@at...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:44:15 -0700, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 06:26:42AM +0100, Caroline Ford wrote:
> > >> > * I'm hoping a friend came make a few sfx for some of the new Magic
> > > Tools
> >
> > Not sure if there will be any license issues, but http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php
> > has a nice free creative commons-licensed sound library.
>
> They are released under Creative Commons Sampling + 1.0. That's not
> one of the normal CC licenses and I'll need to check re: compliance
> with the GPL.
>
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/
>
> This is the problme with "creative commons licensed" - it can be
> anything from CC-BY (just attribution) to the totally non free
> CC-NC-ND (non commercial and no derivative works0.
>
> Caroline
>
I'm gonna call it as non free license. It doesn't seem to allow
commercial distribution of the unmodified sound.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/legalcode

The small print has the following in it:

# Re-creativity permitted. You may create and reproduce Derivative
Works, provided that:

   1. the Derivative Work(s) constitute a good-faith partial or
recombined usage employing "sampling," "collage," "mash-up," or other
comparable artistic technique, whether now known or hereafter devised,
that is highly transformative of the original, as appropriate to the
medium, genre, and market niche; and
   2. Your Derivative Work(s) must only make a partial use of the
original Work, or if You choose to use the original Work as a whole,
You must either use the Work as an insubstantial portion of Your
Derivative Work(s) or transform it into something substantially
different from the original Work. In the case of a musical Work and/or
audio recording, the mere synchronization ("synching") of the Work
with a moving image shall not be considered a transformation of the
Work into something substantially different.

Caroline

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18 status

[Caroline F. <car...@go...>]

On 22/10/2007, tor...@at... <tor...@at...> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:44:15 -0700, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 06:26:42AM +0100, Caroline Ford wrote:
> >> > * I'm hoping a friend came make a few sfx for some of the new Magic
> > Tools
>
> Not sure if there will be any license issues, but http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php
> has a nice free creative commons-licensed sound library.

They are released under Creative Commons Sampling + 1.0. That's not
one of the normal CC licenses and I'll need to check re: compliance
with the GPL.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/

This is the problme with "creative commons licensed" - it can be
anything from CC-BY (just attribution) to the totally non free
CC-NC-ND (non commercial and no derivative works0.

Caroline

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint 0.9.18 status

[<tor...@at...>]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:44:15 -0700, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 06:26:42AM +0100, Caroline Ford wrote:
>> > * I'm hoping a friend came make a few sfx for some of the new Magic
> Tools

Not sure if there will be any license issues, but http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php
has a nice free creative commons-licensed sound library.

Kind regards,
Tore