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Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux Faq v0.2

[Joerg O. <ov...@de...>]

Am 23:24 23.01.02 -0600 schrubst Du:
-> Here is a more robust version of the faq. Enjoy and distribute at will.  

Hey, great stuff, really helpful!
I'm still pondering this sentence though:

"As of the final release of 0.80 (which will probably be in August '01) ..."

;) jo


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Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux Faq v0.2

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

Great work! This has been needed for a long time.

It is available at http://trinux.sf.net/faq/ and there is a link off the
main page.

Thanks again,

- mdf

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[Trinux-talk] Trinux Faq v0.2

[windham l. <mst...@ho...>]

  -= Trinux FAQ =- vers. 0.2
1.23.02
Compiled by Lance Windham
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Table of Contents

1. Introduction and General Information
    1.1. What Is Trinux?
    1.2. Trinux, huh? What is it good for?
    1.3. What Hardware is Supported?
    1.4. What Software does Trinux Support?
    1.5. What happened to my finger, find and other common
         UNIX utilities?

2. Trinux Installation and Configuration.
    2.1. Download, where and how?
    2.2. Bootdisks: ide, iso, and the like.
    2.3. Selecting Packages.
    2.4. Network Package Loading
    2.5. Fixed Disk Package Loading
    2.6. Floppy Package Loading
    2.7. Building package disks

3. Optimizing Trinux
    3.1. Loading Kernel modules
    3.2. how can I use my mouse with gpm?
    3.3. Using swap space, swap-on ?
    3.4. Building your own initrd!

4. Misc. questions
    4.1. Why a few applications complain about the
         missing libraries?
    4.2. How can I set up a NFS client on the Trinux box?
    4.3. How can I set up a PPP client/server daemon on
         my Trinux box?
    4.4. How can I set up SSH on my Trinux box?
    4.5. How can I clone a hard drive?
    4.6. How can I build an initrd?
    4.7. I have a USB Keyboard?
    4.8. Samba client to connect to NT/Win2k/NetWare shares.
    4.9. Mount: full version
    4.10. gethome and savehome.
    4.11. Trinux source
    4.12. What keeps Trinux from being multi-user?
    4.13. How can I make my own Linux from scratch?
    4.14. mounting loop filesystems
    4.15. modifying linuxrc
    4.16. I would like to use an alternate keymap for my
          trinux box.
    4.17. parallel zip drive
    4.18. what is rebol?
    4.19. what is contained on the bootdisk?
    4.20. what is tmpfs?
5.0. Networking Trinux
    5.1. trinux -> trinux
    5.2. linux -> trinux
    5.3. windows -> trinux
    5.4. NIC module list

-=/\/\/\/\/\/\/\=-

1. Introduction and General Information

1.1. What is Trinux?

  Trinux is a ramdisk-based Linux distribution that boots from
  a single floppy or CD-ROM, loads it packages from an HTTP/FTP
  server, a FAT/NTFS/ISO filesystem, or additional floppies.

1.2. Trinux, huh, What is it good for?

  Trinux contains the latest versions of popular Open Source
  network security tools for port scanning, packet sniffing,
  vulnerability scanning, sniffer detection, packet construction,
  active/passive OS fingerprinting, network monitoring,
  session-hijacking, backup/recovery, computer forensics, intrusion
  detection, and more. Trinux also provides support for Perl, PHP,
  and Python scripting languages. Remote Trinux boxes can be managed
  securely with OpenSSH.

1.3. What Hardware Is Supported?

  Trinux will boot on any i486 or better with at least 12-16 megabytes
  of RAM, depending on how many packages are loaded. Hardware support
  for many common Ethernet cards is provided in the default kernel
  and additional NICs are supported via Linux kernel modules.

1.4. What Software does Trinux Support?

  Trinux 0.8x is/was developed using Slackware 7.1 and supports the
  latest 2.4.x kernels and glibc 2.1.x.

  Trinux was first released in April 1998. Versions up through 0.51
  were based on Debian 1.31 binaries linked against libc5. Version 0.6x
  was built using RedHat Linux 5.2.

1.5. What happened to my finger, find and other common UNIX utilities.

  Trinux utilizes Busybox to replace many common UNIX utilities.
  http://busybox.lineo.com
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. Trinux Installation and Configuration.

    2.1. Download, where and how?

     Trinux can be obtained at the following locations:
       http://trinux.sourceforge.net
       http://www.io.com/~mdfranz/trinux
       http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/trinux/
       http://the.wiretapped.net/security/operating-systems/trinux/


   2.2. Bootdisks: ide, iso, and the like.

    Since Trinux is a floppy-based distribution, it is only available
    in the form of raw disk images, which must be written to floppies
    after they have been downloaded. Trinux requires a boot disk whose
    purpose is to load the linux kernel, mount the initrd
    (initial ramdisk), create additional ramdisks, configure networking,
    and load packages from additional floppies or from other sources.

    Floppy Images

    1.4MB boot floppy images will need to be written using rawrite (a
    DOS program) or better yet Rawrite for Windows. On UNIX systems, you
    can use the dd command to do a low-level image copy. Be sure to
    check the size of the file that you downloaded. It should be 1474560
    bytes.

    As of version 0.81pre0-2.4.5 , there are four possible boot images
    to choose from:

  * Network - contains a stripped down kernel with support for common
    Ethernet NiCs, but no integrated support for IDE devices or
    filesystems (except for FAT and minix).

  * PCMCIA - contains the smallest kernel (no built-in ISA/PCI NIC
    support) and PCMCIA kernel-module packages for 3Com, Xircom,
    and a few more PCMCIA NICs. Other PCMCIA modules are available.
    Best for network package loading. See pcmcia-cs project for a
    list of supported cards

  * IDE - nearly identical to the standard image except that the
    kernel has support for IDE hard drives and CD-ROMs and FAT, NTFS
   (read only), and minix filesystems.

  * ISO - test release based on 0.81 linuxrc/initrd but still with 2.4.5
    kernel primarily useful for laptop(pcmcia) users.
    NOTE: you must be able to boot from cd in your CMOS setup.

   2.3. Selecting Packages.

   Only a bare minimum of Trinux's functionality is provided on the
   initial boot floppy: basically enough to boot the kernel, build
   the ramdisks, extract a minumum number of necessary utilities,
   and configure the network. As as a result, it is necessary for
   users to decide what applications they want to include.

   2.4. Network Package Loading

    For me, this is the preferred method of loading Trinux. Packages
    are maintained on a centralized HTTP/HTTP server and after obtaining
    an IP address a selection of packages are automatically loaded and
    installed via snarf. This saves the trouble of building and updating
    floppies. On a fast network (close to the web server) a Trinux box
    can be up and running in around a minute. As of 0.80rc2, use the
    "net" boot image if you are going to use network booting, although
    all version of Trinux can use this feature once the network is
    properly configured, or (if you are a laptop user) use the pcmcia
    boot disk.

    If I forgot to load a package (or if I want to test a new one) I
    just use the getpkg command to retrieve and install it. For now,
    getpkg does not initialize the package, so you need to check
    /etc/init.d for a package initialization script that would install
    kernel modules or start background processes. As of the final
    release of 0.80 (which will probably be in August '01) getpkg will
    automically initialize the package and install the kernel modules
    via the scripts in /etc/init.m.

    Network package loading will be used unless packages are found on a
    fixed disk partition (see below). If Trinux is unable to contact the
    default HTTP url due to network problems (interface, routing, DNS,
    configuration, etc.), it will resort to floppy loading. Laptop users
    will have to use multiple floppies, because the PCMCIA packages will
    not fit on the boot disk.

    Assuming your network is properly configured or you use DHCP, the
    following steps are necessary to configure network package loading:

    1. Select an HTTP/FTP server that has trinux packages. This value is
       set by /tux/config/server on the boot floppy (a:\tux\config\
       server) which contains a list of servers that Trinux will attempt
       to contact to load packages. See the mirror page for a mirror
       close to you.

    2. Modify /tux/config/pkglist on the boot floppy
      (a:\tux\config\pkglist) to add any new package names that you want
      Trinux to load automatically. All of these configuration files are
      in ASCII text so it best to use an editor such as notepad (or the
      DOS editor) or vi that does not add formatting characters. See
      below for which packages you might want to add or delete.

   2.5. Fixed Disk Package Loading

   Fixed Disk Package Loading (including CD-ROM booting and package
   loading) For users who cannot (or do not want to) use network package
   loading, this is the best option. It is also the fastest. This is
   also the option laptop users should choose because the pcmcia package
   does not fit on the boot disk.

      1. Download the "ide" boot floppy that has support for IDE hard
         drives, CD-ROMs, and minix, VFAT, NTFS, ISO9660 filesystems.

      2. Visit the packages page to see what packages you need.

      3. Create a trinux directory at the root (C:\ D:\ /, .etc ) of a
         FAT,Minix, NTFS, or ISO9660 filesytem. This is where you should
         download any and all packages you want to load.

      4. If you are using a Windows FAT16/32 filesystem, the boot kernel
         already supports this filesystem, if you are using an NTFS or
         EXT2(Linux) filesystem, you need to download the kernel module
         (ntfs.o or ext2.o) and copy it to the boot floppy.

      5. Download packages from ibiblio (what used to be MetaLab) or one
         of the mirror and save them to the directory you created in
         step 2. Trinux will automatically use the first filesytem it
         finds with a trinux directory to load packages.

      6. Modify /tux/config/pkglist on the boot floppy (a:\tux\config\
         pkglist to add any new package names that you want Trinux to
         load automatically. All of these configuration files are in
         ASCII text so it best to use an editor such as notepad (or the
         DOS editor) or vi that does not add formatting characters.

   2.6. Floppy Package Loading

        This method of loading packages is the slowest and most
        cumbersome, and Trinux only chooses this if it cannot find a
        package server or a local filesystem to load packages from.

   2.7. Building package disks

        Building package disks is fairly straightforward and involves
        the following steps:

        1. Get a bunch of floppy disks. Actually, 2-3 disks should do.
        2. Visit the packages page to see what packages you need.
        3. Download packages from ibiblio (what used to be MetaLab) or
           one of the mirrors.
--------------------

3. Optimizing Trinux

   3.1. Loading Kernel modules

        There are two ways to load Kernel modules in
        Trinux. At boot-time or after login.

        boot-time: add modulename.o to your bootdisk
                   as well as modulename.o to your
                   /tux/config/modules file.

        after: use insmod to insert the module file.
               i.e.-> # insmod modulename.o

        To verify if the module was loaded you can then
        do a -># lsmod to list loaded modules.

   3.2. How can I use my mouse with gpm?

        pkgadd gpm
        pkgadd libgpm
        pkgadd gpm-links
        pkgadd modmice.tgz           <- unpack mouse modules
        insmod mousedev.o            <- insert/load module
        insmod input.o               <- needed for mouse support
        ln -sf /dev/psaux /dev/mouse <- link for gpm
        pkgadd
        gpm -t ps2                   <- gpm -t (type of mouse)

   3.3. How can I customize initrd.gz?

        To customize your initrd.gz file which is basically
        just a compressed minix filesystem all you have to do
        is:
            # mount -o loop initrd /mnt

        then just cd to the /mnt directory and modify the files
        inside this directory. After you are done modifiying the
        files in this dir just unmount the dir and gzip it back
        up and place it onto your bootdisk and bahm! your done.
------------------------------------------

4. Misc. questions

    4.1. Why a few applications complain about missing libraries?

         . this means that you are missing libraries and must
           pkgadd the specific libs.

    4.2. How can I set up a NFS client on the Trinux box?
         nfs-client.tgz, ntfs.o(fsmod.tgz), reiserfs.tgz

         # pkgadd nfs-client.tgz     (nfs kernel mods)
         # pkgadd netutil.tgz   (full versions of mount/umount)

         you can also tail -f /var/log/messages to see if the
         volumes were mounted and/or do a tcpdump


    4.3. How can I set up a PPP client/server daemon on
         my Trinux box?
          - windmodems will not work.
          - make sure modem is detected.
          - pkgadd serial-net.tgz

          trinux> lsmod
          Module                  Size  Used by
          bsd_comp                4360   0 (unused)
          ppp_async               6700   0 (unused)
          ppp_generic            15432   0 [bsd_comp ppp_async]
          slhc                    5180   0 [ppp_generic]
          serial                 54928   0 (unused)
          isa-pnp                31568   0 [serial]
          ide-disk                7052   2
          ide-probe-mod           9256   0
          ide-mod

          If you don't see this then try /etc/init.m/ppp

          # dmesg

           isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
           isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
           Serial driver version 5.05a (2001-03-20)
           SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled
           ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
           ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
           CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of
           PPP generic driver version 2.4.1
           PPP BSD Compression module registered

    4.4. How can I set up SSH on my Trinux box?
         # pkgadd openssh
         # pkgadd opensshd

         You must generate an RSA keypair on your client and copy your
         public key to the boot floppy, which will then be added to the
         authorized_keys file when Trinux boots.

         execute an ssh-keygen and the keypair will
         be put in ~/.ssh.

         Copy your Public Key to the Boot Floppy
         Make a copy of the public key created by ssh-keygen (this will
         most-likely be identity.pub) and rename this file to keys.

         Copy this file to the \tux\pkg\opensshd\ directory the boot
         floppy.

         NOTE: You can have multiple RSA keys in the keys file. What I
         typically do is boot Trinux, mount the boot floppy, then scp
         the identity.pub files from the UNIX boxes I want to connect
         from to Trinux.

         Then I append the identity.pub to /.ssh/authorized_keys if I
         want to be able to login without having to reboot.

         You can also specify a key file (via URL) in /tux/pkg/opensshd/
         kserver so you don't have to update floppies. For example I use
         http://blahblah.cisco.com/tux/sshkeys and then add keys to that
         file when I want to let another host connect to a trinux box.


    4.5. How can I clone a hard drive?
    4.6. How can I build an initrd?
          # gunzip initrd.gz
          # pkgadd fsmods
          # insmod loop.o
          # mount -t loop initrd /mnt
         then just cd to /mnt and modify accordingly

    4.7. I have a USB (Device)/Keyboard?
          -> add the usb package to the boot floppy
           # pkgadd usb-input
           # pkgadd usb-core

    4.8. Using the Samba client to connect to NT/Win2k/NetWare shares.
          # insmod smbfs.o (available in the fsmods.tgz kernel package)
          # pkgadd smbmount
          # pkgadd smbcore

   4.9. Where can I locate -> Mount: the full version
         # pkgadd netutil

   4.10. gethome and savehome.
          ->
   4.11. Trinux source
          -> Much of trinux is actually stored in a compressed
             minux file system on the boot disk -- initrd.gz.
             You can poke around this / modify it by using the
             loop back device.

             The config files for the kernel can be found at
             http://trinux.sourceforge.net/kernel/2.4.13/.
             Note that this is for the 2.4.13 and 2.4.5 kernel.

             Everything was compiled on Slackware 7.1 (glibc2.1.3)

  4.12. What keeps Trinux from being multi-user?
         -> there are some weird libc/busybox issues which
            prevent passwd and login from working.

  4.13. How can I make my own Linux from scratch?
         -> see the linux from scratch faq

  4.14. mounting loop filesystems
         # insmod loop.o (from the fsmods.tgz pkg)
         # mount -t loop loopfile /mnt

  4.15. modifying linuxrc
         # insmod loop.o
         # mount -t loop initrd /mnt
         # cd /mnt; vi linuxrc

  4.16. I would like to use an alternate keymap for my
        trinux box.
         # loadkmap < hu.map

  4.19. what is contained on the bootdisk?
        initrd.gz  - compressed initial ramdisk filesystem (this is
                     actually MINIX)
          license  - the splash screen shown on the initial boot
          version  - what version of trinux
          bzimage  - the Linux kernel image
      ldlinux.sys  - the boot loader (DO NOT DELETE)
      syslinux.cfg - boot loader config file
      basenet.tgz  - a minimal set of network utils to get things going
               tux - directory where config/init scripts are

<-/\/\/\->
5.0. Networking Trinux
   5.1. trinux -> trinux
         -> boot trinux and check if eth0 came up via
            # dmesg | grep "eth0"

   5.1. linux -> trinux
   5.2. windows -> trinux
   5.4. NIC module list

[Trinux-talk] Re: remote syslog question

[<hk...@sy...>]

Hi Florian,
syslogd is started from linuxrc.
linuxrc is packed into initrd.gz.
Download its source to be able to modify.
You will need then the script to create initrd.gz from source, which
you can find somewhere in the mailing list archive.
Hajni

[Trinux-talk] remote syslog question

[<FLO...@LH...>]

Hi, 

can anybody tell me where the busybox syslogd is started from or how I could
get it to start with the -R parameter for remote syslogging right from the
start?

Thanks

Florian

[Trinux-talk] d-link network adapter

[Jochen G. <geo...@th...>]

hello
i'm lokking for a module for my 
d-link DFE-550TX Fast Ethernet (pci) adapter....

is there any?

thanks for all hints

beste gruesse
jochen georges

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[Trinux-talk] RE: keymap

[<hk...@sy...>]

Hi,=20

I checked, and loadkmap loads the hu.map right, but
the problem is only with the display:
  If I save the special characters to a file under trinux,=20
  and read the file under an other, complete linux box, I can see
  that all national characters are right. So the probem is with
  the display, which means that the ISO-8859-2 code page=20
  ought to be used, but no stuff is included in trinux for that.

What shall I do to be able to use that?
/Hajni

[Trinux-talk] keymap

[<hk...@sy...>]

Hi,

I would like to use an alternate keymap for my trinux box.
I downloaded the hu.map binary file from the tomsrtbt program,
and wanted to load it by

# loadkmap < hu.map

(Tomsrtbt uses the same loadkmap program, I suppose).
It works, but some specific hungarian letters are not correct=20
or cannot be displayed at all. I cannot change the hu.map
file, because it is binary. I checked the map file at=20
other linux distributions, but those files are just simple
text files.=20

What shall I do to be able to use a correct alternate (hungarian)
keymap ?

Thank you in advance if anyone can help me.
Please send any help directly to me, because I am not subscribed to the =
list.

/Hajni

[Trinux-talk] USB Keyboard Support

[Jeremy L. <je...@ga...>]

Have you had any luck in getting the USB keyboard support to work?  I see 
that there is a new usb-input.tgz package in the kernel directory.  Should 
I try to compile it?  Or does it still not work?  Thanks.  

Jeremy Linden

[Trinux-talk] Newbie: NTFS and PCMCIA

[<sig...@ac...>]

Hi!
I've tried to find the solution of my problem by roughly browsing this
maillist but with no success.

My problem is:

I have a laptop which run Win2K on NTFS filesystem with a PCMCIA card.
When DL the PCMCIA version I get the network connection up-and-running, and
when DL the IDE version I get the ntfs mounted ok (after adding the ntfs.o
file).

I want to get both my filesystem mounted and the network up, but this I'm
not able to do.

At home I have an CD-RW, but I'm looking for a solution where I can add
packages at work and my colleagues could use the same solution WITHOUT
access to a CD-R.

Sincerily
Sigurd Egset
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Re: [Trinux-talk] Parallel zip drive

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

SCSI, parallel, or IDE (I assume that I have IDE, its been a while)?

- mdf


On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Kevin Stenger wrote:

> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:03:43 -0500
> From: Kevin Stenger <kst...@cf...>
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> Subject: [Trinux-talk] Parallel zip drive
>
> Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to mount a zip 100 in Trinux.
>
> Thanks
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> Kevin
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[Trinux-talk] Parallel zip drive

[Kevin S. <kst...@cf...>]

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to mount a zip 100 in Trinux.

Thanks 

Kevin

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Re: [Trinux-talk] Is 0.80rc2 using glibc 2.1.x ?? Adding programs to a Trinux box

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

Right, slackware 8.0 using glibc 2.2 (which is huge) vs Slack 7.1 which is
2.1.x

-mdf
>
> I would like to add some packages to my trinux box and
> asking for any information on adding programs, etc. to Trinux. I saw that
> slackware was used to develop it and downloaded a copy of slackware 8.0.
>
> My assumption was to get slackware running, install and compile other
> program then repackage the files and/or copy over to Trinux. Is this correct
> ?
>
> After typing above I had re-read the home page and found
> "Trinux 0.7x/0.8x is was developed using Slackware 7.1 and supports the
> latest 2.2.x kernels and glibc 2.1.x. Trinux 0.8x supports Linux kernel
> 2.4.x."
>
> I read the slackware 8 page and found
> Slackware 8  - glibc-2.2.3 runtime support
>
> does this mean I need to use slackware 7.1 then more items over.. am I
> thinking correctly here.
>
> Thank you,
> Mark
>
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[Trinux-talk] Is 0.80rc2 using glibc 2.1.x ?? Adding programs to a Trinux box

[Mark L. <mar...@ho...>]

I would like to add some packages to my trinux box and
asking for any information on adding programs, etc. to Trinux. I saw that 
slackware was used to develop it and downloaded a copy of slackware 8.0.

My assumption was to get slackware running, install and compile other 
program then repackage the files and/or copy over to Trinux. Is this correct 
?

After typing above I had re-read the home page and found
"Trinux 0.7x/0.8x is was developed using Slackware 7.1 and supports the 
latest 2.2.x kernels and glibc 2.1.x. Trinux 0.8x supports Linux kernel 
2.4.x."

I read the slackware 8 page and found
Slackware 8  - glibc-2.2.3 runtime support

does this mean I need to use slackware 7.1 then more items over.. am I 
thinking correctly here.

Thank you,
Mark


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[Trinux-talk] Trinux, I have a booting problem.

[<Ian...@la...>]

Hi Matthew,

Trinux ISOs are giving me a problem.

First the Floppy image for the PCMCIA (trinux-0.80rc2-pcmcia.img) works=

beautifully. Thanks.

I have downloaded both

trinux-0.81pre0-2.4.5.iso=A0=A0trinux-80rc2-2.4.5.iso files and have pr=
oblems
with both.

I have checked the trinux-80rc2-2.4.5.iso MD5 checksum and it matches t=
hat
in the trinux.sourceforge.net site I have read it back from the CD and =
it
is the same so my CD is also the same. The CD starts to boot but the ke=
rmel
hangs. I have tried it on two machines here. One which has run Linux fo=
r
several years a Pentium II 233 from Sony (Vaio PCG 737). Another machin=
e,
an IBM T20 512MB RAM PIII 750MHz does the same. I am reluctant to use i=
t on
my servers because I want them to stay up. (One is an Alpha anyway).

The other ISO trinux-0.81pre0-2.4.5.iso MD5

137264378ae7863d5e75fffb9fc3f463=A0 trinux-0.81pre0-2.4.5.iso

will not even begin to boot. It appears to have no boot sector as the P=
Cs
(same as above) boot from the hard drive as normal.

Investigating the ISO file on the server with a loopback mount gives th=
is

/home/ianm/incoming/trinux-0.81pre0-2.4.5.iso on /mnt/t1 type iso9660
(ro,loop=3D/dev/loop0)

[ianm@bmf incoming]$ cd /mnt/t1
[ianm@bmf t1]$ cd isolinux/
[ianm@bmf isolinux]$ file *
boot.cat:=A0=A0=A0=A0 data
bzimage:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 x86 boot sector
initrd.gz:=A0=A0=A0 gzip compressed data, deflated, original filename, =
`initrd',
last modified: Thu Nov=A0 8 12:22:22 2001, max compression, os: Unix
isolinux.bin: file: read failed (Input/output error).

Remember the MD5 checksum is the same as that on Sourceforge. This is n=
ot
the only file to fail.

Please advise. My suspicion is incorrect options to mkisofs but there i=
s no
way I can tell.

Thanks for what otherwise is a great package and regards,

Ian
=

[Trinux-talk] Weired partitions with adaptec bzImage

[<FLO...@LH...>]

Hi,

when using the adaptec bzImage for my Trinux Boot disk I experience a
strange behavior at boot time.
When the partitions check is perfomed, the following partitions are found
(9187
17942564
512-byte
MB)
hdwr
sectors

It looks like Trinux takes the Harddisk information found at boot time an
takes them for partions.
[ root ]# dmesg |grep 512-byte
SCSI device sda: 17916240 512-byte hdwr sectors (9173 MB)
For those "partitions", Trinux creates directories in the system root. Does
anybody know what the problem could be. Rigth now I help myself in deleting
the directories again in the post install script.

Thanks

Florian

Re: [Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[<tb...@ti...>]

Sorry, I did not keep close track of what I did.  Mostly, I think it was
the linuxrc file, however, I think I needed to make some accomodating
changes in another script or two.  I forget.

Mostly, I was changing, and testing, changing and testing, until I had the 
iso the way I wanted it, and since I burned up a stack of CD blanks 
getting it, I thought others might find it useful.

Sorry, no diffs or patch file.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, David GLAUDE Mailing wrote:

> Mr Timothy Burt,
> Do you have some more specific information
> on what file did change exactly in your version of the iso?
> Would you have some kind of patch or diff or TGZ with a copy
> of the file modified.
> Thanks.
> David GLAUDE
> 
> This is your latest e-mail on the topic:
> "
> I have made some changes to the linuxrc file to smooth out the boot
> process for the CDROM version of Trinux.  It works much better for me now.
> Hopefully, I didn't break any of the floppy boot dependant code...
> 
> In addition, I added another Ram disk config for bigger ramdisks, if
> you have 512M of ram.
> 
> And one more change, I disabled the DHCP default.  The startup will ask if
> you want to use DHCP, or allow you to enter your own network values.
> 
> These changes were applied to the stock trinux-0.80rc2-2.4.5 iso.
> 
> I have posted my modified version of the CDROM iso on my server at:
> 
> http://www.timburt.com/trinux/trinux-0.80tburt-2.4.5.iso
> 
> Matt says he will put it up on sourceforge, so when he gets around to it,
> I will probably take the above URL down.
> 
> Hopefully, this will help some of you who are using the iso and having
> trouble adding packages.
> 
> Note that after successful bootup, the CDROM is not mounted.  If you want
> to use addpkg, you will need to mount the cdrom and find the package you
> want to add.
> "
> 
> 
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Re: [Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[David G. M. <dgl...@gm...>]

Mr Timothy Burt,
Do you have some more specific information
on what file did change exactly in your version of the iso?
Would you have some kind of patch or diff or TGZ with a copy
of the file modified.
Thanks.
David GLAUDE

This is your latest e-mail on the topic:
"
I have made some changes to the linuxrc file to smooth out the boot
process for the CDROM version of Trinux.  It works much better for me now.
Hopefully, I didn't break any of the floppy boot dependant code...

In addition, I added another Ram disk config for bigger ramdisks, if
you have 512M of ram.

And one more change, I disabled the DHCP default.  The startup will ask if
you want to use DHCP, or allow you to enter your own network values.

These changes were applied to the stock trinux-0.80rc2-2.4.5 iso.

I have posted my modified version of the CDROM iso on my server at:

http://www.timburt.com/trinux/trinux-0.80tburt-2.4.5.iso

Matt says he will put it up on sourceforge, so when he gets around to it,
I will probably take the above URL down.

Hopefully, this will help some of you who are using the iso and having
trouble adding packages.

Note that after successful bootup, the CDROM is not mounted.  If you want
to use addpkg, you will need to mount the cdrom and find the package you
want to add.
"

[Trinux-talk] Newbie Blues take 2

[windham l. <mst...@ho...>]

  -= Trinux FAQ =- vers. 0.1
12.02.01
compiled by Lance Windham

Table of Content

1. Introduction and General Information
    1.1. What Is Trinux?
    1.2. Trinux, huh? What is it good for?
    1.3. What Hardware is Supported?
    1.4. What Software does Trinux Support?
    1.5. What happened to my finger, find and other common UNIX utilities?

2. Trinux Installation and Configuration.
    2.1. Download, where and how?
    2.2. Bootdisks: ide, iso, and the like.
    2.3. Selecting Packages.
    2.4. Network Package Loading
    2.5. Fixed Disk Package Loading
    2.6. Floppy Package Loading
    2.7. Building package disks
    2.8. Current Package List.

3. Optimizing Trinux
    3.1. Loading Kernel modules
    3.2. how can I use my mouse and gpm?
    3.3. Using swap space, swap-on ?
    3.4. Building your own initrd!

4. Misc. questions
    4.1. Why a few applications complain about the missing libncurses.so.5?
    4.2. How can I set up a NFS client on the Trinux box?
    4.3. How can I set up a PPP client/server daemon on my Trinux box?
    4.4. How can I set up SSH on my Trinux box?
    4.5. How can I clone a hard drive?
    4.6. How can I build an initrd?


-=/\/\/\/\/\/\/\=-
1. Introduction and General Information

1.1. What is Trinux?

Trinux is a ramdisk-based Linux distribution that boots from a single
floppy or CD-ROM, loads it packages from an HTTP/FTP server, a FAT/NTFS/
ISO filesystem, or additional floppies.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.2. Trinux, huh, What is it good for?

Trinux contains the latest versions of popular Open Source network
security tools for port scanning, packet sniffing, vulnerability
scanning, sniffer detection, packet construction, active/passive OS
fingerprinting, network monitoring, session-hijacking, backup/recovery,
computer forensics, intrusion detection, and more. Trinux also provides
support for Perl, PHP, and Python scripting languages. Remote Trinux
boxes can be managed securely with OpenSSH.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.3. What Hardware Is Supported?

Trinux will boot on any i486 or better with at least 12-16 megabytes of
RAM, depending on how many packages are loaded. Hardware support for many
common Ethernet cards is provided in the default kernel and additional
NICs are supported via Linux kernel modules.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.4. What Software does Trinux Support?

  Trinux 0.7x/0.8x is/was developed using Slackware 7.1 and supports the
  latest 2.2.x kernels and glibc 2.1.x. Trinux 0.8x supports Linux kernel
  2.4.x.

  Trinux was first released in April 1998. Versions up through 0.51
  were based on Debian 1.31 binaries linked against libc5. Version 0.6x was
  built using RedHat Linux 5.2.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.5. What happened to my finger, find and other common UNIX utilities.

  Trinux utilizes Busybox to replace many common UNIX utilities.
  http://busybox.lineo.com
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. Trinux Installation and Configuration.

    2.1. Download, where and how?

     Trinux can be obtained at the following locations:
       http://trinux.sourceforge.net
       http://www.io.com/~mdfranz/trinux
       http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/trinux/
       http://the.wiretapped.net/security/operating-systems/trinux/
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------

   2.2. Bootdisks: ide, iso, and the like.

    Since Trinux is a floppy-based distribution, it is only available in the
    form of raw disk images, which must be copied to floppies after they 
have
    been downloaded. Trinux requires a boot disk whose purpose is to load 
the
    linux kernel, mount the initrd (initial ramdisk), create additional
    ramdisks, configure networking, and load packages from additional
    floppies or from other sources.

    Floppy Images

    1.4MB boot floppy images will need to be written using rawrite (a DOS
    program) or better yet Rawrite for Windows. On UNIX systems, you can use
    the dd command to do a low-level image copy. Be sure to check the size 
of
    the file that you downloaded. It should be 1474560 bytes.

    As of version 0.81pre0-2.4.5 , there are four possible boot images to
    choose from:

  * Network - contains a stripped down kernel with support for common
    Ethernet NiCs, but no integrated support for IDE devices or filesystems
    (except for FAT and minix).

  * PCMCIA - contains the smallest kernel (no built-in ISA/PCI NIC support)
    and PCMCIA kernel-module packages for 3Com, Xircom, and a few more 
PCMCIA
    NICs. Other PCMCIA modules are available. Best for network package
    loading. See pcmcia-cs project for a list of supported cards

  * IDE - nearly identical to the standard image except that the kernel has
    support for IDE hard drives and CD-ROMs and FAT, NTFS (read only), and
    minix filesystems.

  * ISO - test release based on 0.81 linuxrc/initrd but still with 2.4.5
    kernel primarily useful for laptop (pcmcia) users.
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------

   2.3. Selecting Packages.

   Only a bare minimum of Trinux's functionality is provided on the initial
   boot floppy: basically enough to boot the kernel, build the ramdisks,
   extract a minumum number of necessary utilities, and configure the 
network.
   As as a result, it is necessary for users to decide what applications 
they
   want to include.

   2.4. Network Package Loading

    For me, this is the preferred method of loading Trinux. Packages are
    maintained on a centralized HTTP/HTTP server and after obtaining an IP
    address a selection of packages are automatically loaded and installed
    via snarf. This saves the trouble of building and updating floppies.
    On a fast network (close to the web server) a Trinux box can be up and
    running in around a minute. As of 0.80rc2, use the "net" boot image if
    you are going to use network booting, although all version of Trinux can
    use this feature once the network is properly configured, or (if you are
    a laptop user) use the "pcmcia/laptop" boot disk.

    If I forgot to load a package (or if I want to test a new one) I just
    use the getpkg command to retrieve and install it. For now, getpkg does
    not initialize the package, so you need to check /etc/init.d for a
    package initialization script that would install kernel modules or start
    background processes. As of the final release of 0.80 (which will
    probably be in August '01) getpkg will automically initialize the 
package
    and install the kernel modules vi the scripts in /etc/init.m.

    Network package loading will be used unless packages are found on a 
fixed
    disk partition (see below). If Trinux is unable to contact the default
    HTTP url due to network problems (interface, routing, DNS, 
configuration,
    etc.), it will resort to floppy loading. Laptop users will have to use
    multiple floppies, because the PCMCIA packages will not fit on the boot
    disk.

    Assuming your network is properly configured or you use DHCP, the
    following steps are necessary to configure network package loading:

    1. Select an HTTP/FTP server than has trinux packages. This value is set
       by /tux/config/server on the boot floppy (a:\tux\config\server) which
       contains a list of servers that Trinux will attempt to contact to 
load
       packages. See the mirror page for a mirror close to you.

    2. Modify /tux/config/pkglist on the boot floppy (a:\tux\config\pkglist)
       to add any new package names that you want Trinux to load
       automatically. All of these configuration files are in ASCII text so
       it best to use an editor such as notepad (or the DOS editor) or vi
       that does not add formatting characters. See below for which packages
       you might want to add or delete.

   2.5. Fixed Disk Package Loading

   Fixed Disk Package Loading (including CD-ROM booting and package loading)
   For users who cannot (or do not want to) use network package loading, 
this
   is the best option. It is also the fastest. This is also the option 
laptop
   should choose because the pcmcia package does not fit on the boot disk.

      1. Download the "ide" boot floppy that has support for IDE hard 
drives,
         CD-ROMs, and minix, VFAT, NTFS, ISO9660 filesystems.

      2. Visit the packages page to see what packages you need.

      3. Create a trinux directory at the root (C:\ D:\ /, .etc ) of a FAT,
         Minix, NTFS, or ISO9660 filesytem. This is where you should 
download
         any and all packages you want to load.

      4. If you are using a Windows FAT16/32 filesystem, the boot kernel
         already supports this filesystem, if you are using an NTFS or EXT2
         (Linux) filesystem, you need to download the kernel module (ntfs.o
         or ext2.o) and copy it to the boot floppy.

      5. Download packages from ibiblio (what used to be MetaLab) or one of
         the mirror and save them to the directory you created in step 2.
         Trinux will automatically use the first filesytem it finds with a
         trinux directory to load packages.

      6. Modify /tux/config/pkglist on the boot floppy 
(a:\tux\config\pkglist
         to add any new package names that you want Trinux to load
         automatically. All of these configuration files are in ASCII text
         so it best to use an editor such as notepad (or the DOS editor) or
         vi that does not add formatting characters.


   2.6. Floppy Package Loading

        This method of loading packages is the slowest and most cumbersome,
        and Trinux only chooses this if it cannot find a package server or
        a local filesystem to load packages from.

   2.7. Building package disks

        Building package disks is fairly straightforward and involves the
        following steps:

        1. Get a bunch of floppy disks. Actually, 2-3 disks should do.
        2. Visit the packages page to see what packages you need.
        3. Download packages from ibiblio (what used to be MetaLab) or one
           of the mirrors.
-=/\/\/\/\/\/=-

3. Optimizing Trinux

   3.1. Loading Kernel modules

        There are two ways to load Kernel modules in
        Trinux. At boot-time or after login.

        boot-time: add modulename.o to your bootdisk
                   as well as modulename.o to your
                   /tux/config/modules file.

        after: use insmod to insert the module file.
               i.e.-> # insmod modulename.o

        To verify if the module was loaded you can then
        do a -># lsmod to list loaded modules.

   3.2. How can I use my mouse with gpm?

        pkgadd modmice.tgz <- unpack mouse modules
        insmod mousedev.o  <- insert/load module
        insmod input.o     <- needed for mouse support
        ln -sf /dev/psaux /dev/mouse <- link for gpm
        gpm -t ps2   <- gpm -t (type of mouse)

   3.3. How can I customize initrd.gz?
        To customize your initrd.gz file which is basically
        just a compressed minix filesystem all you have to
        do is:
               mount -o loop initrd /mnt

        then just cd to the /mnt directory and modify the files
        inside this directory. After you are done modifiying
        the files in this dir just unmount the dir and gzip it
        back up and place it onto your bootdisk and bahm! your done.

Re: [Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[<tb...@ti...>]

I think that many newbies gravitate to Trinux because it offers a running 
Linux system with only a boot floppy.  This is true, but I would hesitate 
to suggest that it is a good Linux for a Newbie to start with.

Trinux is foremost an intrusion detection tool, and comes loaded with some 
very powerful tools.  However, the tools assume a somewhat advanced 
knowledge of networking, and often present information of use only to 
advanced users.

Trinux has alot of the traditional Linux stripped away.  For two reasons, 
1) to keep it light and bootable from a floppy, and 2) as an ID tool, it 
doesn't need alot of the multi-user capabilities.  An example of this is 
that Trinux does not use a password file.  It has no password.

For a newbie, I would recommend sticking with a standard Linux 
distribution until you feel very comfortable, then give Trinux a look see.  

It took me a couple of days of messing with it to get Trinux to boot and 
come up the way I wanted it.  I had to research many of the bootup scripts 
(/linuxrc is where it all starts) to see why it did not do what I wanted, 
and then make adjustments or modify the scripts to my liking.  Not 
recommended for a newbie!

That said, here are some answers to your questions......



On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Intrusion Detector wrote:

> TO add insult to injury ... I originally sent this
> email to the news group!!! Is this an indication of
> Newbie-itus or what?!?!? DUH!!!! 
> 
> ANyway, hope someone can help with this ......
> (although somewhat embarrassed, I include the original
> email)
> 
> OK,
> 
> Up front people ... I apologize (or apologise) for the
> dumb questions I am about to ask but I am a newbie to
> Linux having just, and I do mean just, installed SUSE
> and now trying my hand at Trinux. OK, so I'm trying
> the switch  .........
> 
> REQUEST: 
> 
> 1. Request on installation procedures
> Sorry but the documentation on the website is not the
> best for us REALLY newbie folks
> 
> 2. With the exception of NMap, how the other programs
> are run within the Trinux environment;

From the command line, but you must first add them with a getpkg 
or pkgadd command. (I think the command names are correct), with some 
packages, it may be necessary to run the init script by hand too.

> 
> 3. After you get up off the floor from your spat of
> uncontrollable laughter, realise (or realize) that I
> am truly serious. 
> 
> 4. rather than post to the entire group I would
> appreciate a little hand holding here from a
> "sympathetic" subscriber.
> 
> In advance, I thank you.
> 
> Environment:
> 1. OS - Windows '98 (OK,OK, I'm also a tad bit behind
> in that area!!)
> 
> 2. HArdware: IBM THinkpad 600. Am willing to give mre
> details, but only after receipt of individual email.

If you have a CD-Rom, then you might try my iso:

http://timburt.com/trinux/trinux-0.80tburt-2.4.5.iso

It works for me, and some others have reported success with it.  But my
iso is not without it's own problems.. :-(  Booting from the iso has the
advantage of loading up many of the support packages from the cdrom, and
not the network...  or Dos partition...

> 
> 3. Used the latest version of Trinux and the IDE
> image;
> 
> 4. Wrote the image file to a floppy using RawWrite;
> 
> 5. Created the c:/trinux directory and copied all the
> files from the website to this directory (I used the
> website in Texas (duh);

I had difficulties getting this to work.  Not sure why.  I switched to 
network upload.  The base Trinux kernel does include support for FAT 
filesystems (but not Linux!) so the underlying support is there.

> 
> 6. Turned system off and rebooted from floppy:
> 
> 7. ON boot:
> 7.1 Kernel Loaded (v 2.4.5)
> 7.3 Created HDA1 through HDA6 (From my limited
> experience these are hard disks recognized by the
> Linux system and I have NO idea why there are so many.
> I have but 2 partitions: 1 for Windows and 1 for SUSE
> Linux);
> 
> 7.3 Added packages like the bash (I do get the BASH#
> prompt) and some others that were downloaded;

A crippled version of bash, as well as many other commands (mount) are 
available in the bootup OS.  Enough for you to look around and see what is 
going right, and what failed.

> 
> 8. Welsome message appears with a request to activate
> the console by pressing return.
> 
> OK ......so I press enter and get <BASH#> then I try
> to activate the other programs (e.g. scanners,
> ipaudit, and nothing but "sh: ipaudit: command not
> found" then back to the prompt.
> 

This is most likely caused by the package not loading, even tho you 
thought it did.  Some commands fail silently...

I had trouble getting Trinux to find the /trinux folder on my disk, but it 
didn't matter because I wanted to download from the net anyway.

Note that Trinux runs in Ram, and if you are starting with 16 or 32 MB, 
you may find that you run out before you get too many packages loaded.

Use df to see how much ramdisk is available.

> 
> Sooooooooo, there ya go. Now, can someone please help.
> I have searched through the email archives and a
> French guy came close to the problem I am having, but
> there was no definitive answer. 
> 
> ANyways, hope I have been detailed enough.
> 
> Kind regards
> 

You are doing better than some.  However, you still have a rocky road 
ahead.  Getting SSH running can be frustrating.  See the prior posts.

> 
> 
> 
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[Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[Intrusion D. <ide...@ya...>]

TO add insult to injury ... I originally sent this
email to the news group!!! Is this an indication of
Newbie-itus or what?!?!? DUH!!!! 

ANyway, hope someone can help with this ......
(although somewhat embarrassed, I include the original
email)

OK,

Up front people ... I apologize (or apologise) for the
dumb questions I am about to ask but I am a newbie to
Linux having just, and I do mean just, installed SUSE
and now trying my hand at Trinux. OK, so I'm trying
the switch  .........

REQUEST: 

1. Request on installation procedures
Sorry but the documentation on the website is not the
best for us REALLY newbie folks

2. With the exception of NMap, how the other programs
are run within the Trinux environment;

3. After you get up off the floor from your spat of
uncontrollable laughter, realise (or realize) that I
am truly serious. 

4. rather than post to the entire group I would
appreciate a little hand holding here from a
"sympathetic" subscriber.

In advance, I thank you.

Environment:
1. OS - Windows '98 (OK,OK, I'm also a tad bit behind
in that area!!)

2. HArdware: IBM THinkpad 600. Am willing to give mre
details, but only after receipt of individual email.

3. Used the latest version of Trinux and the IDE
image;

4. Wrote the image file to a floppy using RawWrite;

5. Created the c:/trinux directory and copied all the
files from the website to this directory (I used the
website in Texas (duh);

6. Turned system off and rebooted from floppy:

7. ON boot:
7.1 Kernel Loaded (v 2.4.5)
7.3 Created HDA1 through HDA6 (From my limited
experience these are hard disks recognized by the
Linux system and I have NO idea why there are so many.
I have but 2 partitions: 1 for Windows and 1 for SUSE
Linux);

7.3 Added packages like the bash (I do get the BASH#
prompt) and some others that were downloaded;

8. Welsome message appears with a request to activate
the console by pressing return.

OK ......so I press enter and get <BASH#> then I try
to activate the other programs (e.g. scanners,
ipaudit, and nothing but "sh: ipaudit: command not
found" then back to the prompt.


Sooooooooo, there ya go. Now, can someone please help.
I have searched through the email archives and a
French guy came close to the problem I am having, but
there was no definitive answer. 

ANyways, hope I have been detailed enough.

Kind regards





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Re: [Trinux-talk] USB Keyboard in Trinux

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

Ah, Microsoft Natural keyboard's are great. Using one right now with
Linux. First the good news -- it should work if you use a floppy since it
will require adding the usb package to the boot floppy. The bad news, you
won't be able to boot from the CD-ROM. You still might be able to load the
packages off the CD-ROM but network packaging loading will be
easier/faster.

The first step will be to get the keyboard detected and working (which
will require a few modifications to the usb package but shouldn't be hard
and I'm working on now). I should be able to put out floppy boot image
tonight and you (or anyone else) can test it on their system to make sure
it works with their USB chipset.

-mdf




> I have a USB Keyboard, the Micro$oft Natural Keyboard Pro (yuck!), and I
> tried to boot Trinux from CD.  It detected my Ethernet card, and asked me
> whether I wanted to configure it or not.  It wouldn't let me press "y" or
> "n" to reply so it was stuck.  Any way you can help?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Jeremy Linden
>
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[Jeremy L. <je...@ga...>]

I have a USB Keyboard, the Micro$oft Natural Keyboard Pro (yuck!), and I 
tried to boot Trinux from CD.  It detected my Ethernet card, and asked me 
whether I wanted to configure it or not.  It wouldn't let me press "y" or 
"n" to reply so it was stuck.  Any way you can help?  Thanks in advance.  

Jeremy Linden

Re: [Trinux-talk] gdb

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

Ok, its done (gdb.tgz). It runs but haven't checked on any real
binaries/src though.

-mdf

>
> I was wondering how much trouble it would be for you to include a gdb package for trinux?
>
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