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From: windham l. <mst...@ho...> - 2002-02-14 02:28:38
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<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> <P>Alright, first make sure you have a dir called c:\trinux or whatever drive letter \trinux put your pkgs in that dir and make sure you include the baselib.tgz pkg because this is the key file that linuxrc looks for when looking for pkgs...</P> <P>mstrhelix<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: trinux not loading packages from IDE-drive <DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:11:15 +0100 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>prepared bootdisk with IDE-support <DIV></DIV>>hda6 is mapped on partition F under windows 2000 <DIV></DIV>>downloaded all files as in pkglist in directory trinux <DIV></DIV>>During bootphase message appears: found no packages on IDE drive <DIV></DIV>>Started automatic dowloading packages from the internet <DIV></DIV>>working on compaq armada with intel pro 10/100 nic: no PCMCIA <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>please supply an answer, many tnx. <DIV></DIV>>rgs, <DIV></DIV>>ad lukaart <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: <a href='http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag3_etl_EN.asp'>Click Here</a><br></html> |
From: <HHu...@t-...> - 2002-02-13 20:21:13
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Hallo, Richard, Du meintest am 13.02.02 zum Thema Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format: > Using cfdisk, I create a partition on the hard drive of type > 'Linux'. Then I 'W'rite the partition table. > I tried to mount the partition using the minix type. I get the > error, "Too many filesystems, wrong partition, yada yada..." Have you formatted the partition? Maybe yoe need first a reboot after partitioning. Maybe you should use "fdisk" or "sfdisk" instead of "cfdisk". Viele Gruesse! Helmut |
From: Richard T. <ri...@th...> - 2002-02-13 18:42:29
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See below... ----- Original Message ----- From: <tb...@ti...> To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > What type of filesystem are you trying to clone? In this instance, FAT32 > > What, exactly is on the source partition? A Win98 OS > > What is the device id of the source partition? /dev/hdd1 > > What is the device id of the destination partition? /dev/hdb1 > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > The reason I was trying to mount the partition after creating it was to make > > sure I was creating it correctly. > > > > If I create a Linux (82?) type partition what -t type do I specify in the > > mount command line? What type partition do I create if I want to use the > > ext2 driver to mount the partition? > > > > I am using dd to an intermediary file so that I get matching hashes from the > > initial partition and the destination image file. If I dd from drive to > > drive, it will make an exact copy of the partition, but the hashes won't > > match. > > > > I agree that I might be missing something. I just looked online and saw that > > I am missing the mkfs command step. I told you this was a newbie question. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <tb...@ti...> > > To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> > > Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > > > > > > > > > The dd command you quote is to read IN the partition to a file. I assume > > > you are changing the command when you dd the file to a partition. Do you > > > know the proper device name for the partition you have just created? Was > > > it used in the dd (out) command? > > > > > > You might try a "dd if=/dev/hdXX | od -c | head" and a > > > > > > "dd if=/directory/disk.img | od -c | head" and compare them visually. > > > > > > This might tell you alot. > > > > > > Perhaps you are missing an important piece... > > > > > > A partition defines a region of disk. > > > A filesystem fills a partition, and defines how the data is organized. > > > A file is a container, placed within a filesystem, that can hold data. > > > > > > [.*]nux offers features not found in other OS's, including the ability to > > > bypass the filesystem and place a file on a partition and vise versa. > > > > > > You can dd a partition to a file. and then dd the file back to a new > > > partition. You will have mirrored the partition. If you have both disks > > > connected but unmounted, then you can dd directly "dd if=/dev/hde1 > > > of=/dev/hde2". The imtermediary file is not necessary. You can then > > > mount the second partition, just as you did the first. If you couldn't > > > mount the source partition, then you won't be able to mount the clone. > > > > > > What is on the partition you are hoping to clone? Is is a windows > > > partition? FAT? NTFS? or Linux? minix, ext2, ext3?. I think this may be a > > > mount issue... > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > Okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > Using cfdisk, I create a partition on the hard drive of type 'Linux'. > > Then I > > > > 'W'rite the partition table. > > > > > > > > I tried to mount the partition using the minix type. I get the error, > > "Too > > > > many filesystems, wrong partition, yada yada..." > > > > > > > > I loaded ext2.o and tried to mount using the ext2 type. Didn't work. > > > > > > > > I loaded ntfs.o and change the partition type to 'HPFS/NTFS'. I tried to > > > > mount using the ntfs type. Didn't work. > > > > > > > > I guess I don't know what "-t type" to specify when mounting a Linux > > type > > > > partition. > > > > > > > > When I initially tried to dd partition to the image file on a FAT32 > > > > partition, I got an error about exceeding the 2GB file limit. > > > > > > > > The dd command line looks like this: dd if=/dev/hdd1 > > of=/directory/disk.img > > > > bs=1M > > > > > > > > I am writing a hard drive partition to an image file and then writing > > the > > > > image file to a 'clean' hard drive. > > > > > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <tb...@ti...> > > > > To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> > > > > Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:00 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should work. However, the devil is in the details. > > > > > > > > > > What modules did you load? > > > > > > > > > > What is the dd command line? > > > > > > > > > > What are you doing after the dd finishes, that causes you to believe > > that > > > > > the dd failed? > > > > > > > > > > If you hope to use the disk as a filesystem, then the image you are > > > > > putting on the disk must be a fully formed filesystem. You should be > > able > > > > > to test the image with a mount -o loop command before you do the dd. > > The > > > > > partition type should be set to match the type of filesystem. > > > > > > > > > > More info would help. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Good morning all... > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a newbie question, sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using cfdisk to create a partition > > > > > > on a harddrive. I select the default > > > > > > type as Linux and then write the > > > > > > partition table. However, I am not able > > > > > > to then mount the partition under > > > > > > Trinux. I load what I think are the > > > > > > appropriate modules. I have even tried > > > > > > changing the type to NTFS with no luck. > > > > > > What I am trying to do is create a > > > > > > partition that I can write a 6.5GB image > > > > > > file to using dd. I previously tried > > > > > > this with VFAT, but ran into the 2GB > > > > > > file size limit. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > > > > Tri...@li... > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > Timothy Burt > > > > > Internet Specialist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > > Tri...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------- > > > Timothy Burt > > > Internet Specialist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > Tri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > -- > -------------------- > Timothy Burt > Internet Specialist > > > |
From: <tb...@ti...> - 2002-02-13 18:39:52
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What type of filesystem are you trying to clone? What, exactly is on the source partition? What is the device id of the source partition? What is the device id of the destination partition? On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > The reason I was trying to mount the partition after creating it was to make > sure I was creating it correctly. > > If I create a Linux (82?) type partition what -t type do I specify in the > mount command line? What type partition do I create if I want to use the > ext2 driver to mount the partition? > > I am using dd to an intermediary file so that I get matching hashes from the > initial partition and the destination image file. If I dd from drive to > drive, it will make an exact copy of the partition, but the hashes won't > match. > > I agree that I might be missing something. I just looked online and saw that > I am missing the mkfs command step. I told you this was a newbie question. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tb...@ti...> > To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> > Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > > > > > The dd command you quote is to read IN the partition to a file. I assume > > you are changing the command when you dd the file to a partition. Do you > > know the proper device name for the partition you have just created? Was > > it used in the dd (out) command? > > > > You might try a "dd if=/dev/hdXX | od -c | head" and a > > > > "dd if=/directory/disk.img | od -c | head" and compare them visually. > > > > This might tell you alot. > > > > Perhaps you are missing an important piece... > > > > A partition defines a region of disk. > > A filesystem fills a partition, and defines how the data is organized. > > A file is a container, placed within a filesystem, that can hold data. > > > > [.*]nux offers features not found in other OS's, including the ability to > > bypass the filesystem and place a file on a partition and vise versa. > > > > You can dd a partition to a file. and then dd the file back to a new > > partition. You will have mirrored the partition. If you have both disks > > connected but unmounted, then you can dd directly "dd if=/dev/hde1 > > of=/dev/hde2". The imtermediary file is not necessary. You can then > > mount the second partition, just as you did the first. If you couldn't > > mount the source partition, then you won't be able to mount the clone. > > > > What is on the partition you are hoping to clone? Is is a windows > > partition? FAT? NTFS? or Linux? minix, ext2, ext3?. I think this may be a > > mount issue... > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > > > Okay, here goes. > > > > > > Using cfdisk, I create a partition on the hard drive of type 'Linux'. > Then I > > > 'W'rite the partition table. > > > > > > I tried to mount the partition using the minix type. I get the error, > "Too > > > many filesystems, wrong partition, yada yada..." > > > > > > I loaded ext2.o and tried to mount using the ext2 type. Didn't work. > > > > > > I loaded ntfs.o and change the partition type to 'HPFS/NTFS'. I tried to > > > mount using the ntfs type. Didn't work. > > > > > > I guess I don't know what "-t type" to specify when mounting a Linux > type > > > partition. > > > > > > When I initially tried to dd partition to the image file on a FAT32 > > > partition, I got an error about exceeding the 2GB file limit. > > > > > > The dd command line looks like this: dd if=/dev/hdd1 > of=/directory/disk.img > > > bs=1M > > > > > > I am writing a hard drive partition to an image file and then writing > the > > > image file to a 'clean' hard drive. > > > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <tb...@ti...> > > > To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> > > > Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:00 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should work. However, the devil is in the details. > > > > > > > > What modules did you load? > > > > > > > > What is the dd command line? > > > > > > > > What are you doing after the dd finishes, that causes you to believe > that > > > > the dd failed? > > > > > > > > If you hope to use the disk as a filesystem, then the image you are > > > > putting on the disk must be a fully formed filesystem. You should be > able > > > > to test the image with a mount -o loop command before you do the dd. > The > > > > partition type should be set to match the type of filesystem. > > > > > > > > More info would help. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > Good morning all... > > > > > > > > > > I have a newbie question, sorry. > > > > > > > > > > I am using cfdisk to create a partition > > > > > on a harddrive. I select the default > > > > > type as Linux and then write the > > > > > partition table. However, I am not able > > > > > to then mount the partition under > > > > > Trinux. I load what I think are the > > > > > appropriate modules. I have even tried > > > > > changing the type to NTFS with no luck. > > > > > What I am trying to do is create a > > > > > partition that I can write a 6.5GB image > > > > > file to using dd. I previously tried > > > > > this with VFAT, but ran into the 2GB > > > > > file size limit. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > > > Tri...@li... > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------- > > > > Timothy Burt > > > > Internet Specialist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > Tri...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------- > > Timothy Burt > > Internet Specialist > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > -- -------------------- Timothy Burt Internet Specialist |
From: Richard T. <ri...@th...> - 2002-02-13 18:09:40
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The reason I was trying to mount the partition after creating it was to make sure I was creating it correctly. If I create a Linux (82?) type partition what -t type do I specify in the mount command line? What type partition do I create if I want to use the ext2 driver to mount the partition? I am using dd to an intermediary file so that I get matching hashes from the initial partition and the destination image file. If I dd from drive to drive, it will make an exact copy of the partition, but the hashes won't match. I agree that I might be missing something. I just looked online and saw that I am missing the mkfs command step. I told you this was a newbie question. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tb...@ti...> To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > The dd command you quote is to read IN the partition to a file. I assume > you are changing the command when you dd the file to a partition. Do you > know the proper device name for the partition you have just created? Was > it used in the dd (out) command? > > You might try a "dd if=/dev/hdXX | od -c | head" and a > > "dd if=/directory/disk.img | od -c | head" and compare them visually. > > This might tell you alot. > > Perhaps you are missing an important piece... > > A partition defines a region of disk. > A filesystem fills a partition, and defines how the data is organized. > A file is a container, placed within a filesystem, that can hold data. > > [.*]nux offers features not found in other OS's, including the ability to > bypass the filesystem and place a file on a partition and vise versa. > > You can dd a partition to a file. and then dd the file back to a new > partition. You will have mirrored the partition. If you have both disks > connected but unmounted, then you can dd directly "dd if=/dev/hde1 > of=/dev/hde2". The imtermediary file is not necessary. You can then > mount the second partition, just as you did the first. If you couldn't > mount the source partition, then you won't be able to mount the clone. > > What is on the partition you are hoping to clone? Is is a windows > partition? FAT? NTFS? or Linux? minix, ext2, ext3?. I think this may be a > mount issue... > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > Okay, here goes. > > > > Using cfdisk, I create a partition on the hard drive of type 'Linux'. Then I > > 'W'rite the partition table. > > > > I tried to mount the partition using the minix type. I get the error, "Too > > many filesystems, wrong partition, yada yada..." > > > > I loaded ext2.o and tried to mount using the ext2 type. Didn't work. > > > > I loaded ntfs.o and change the partition type to 'HPFS/NTFS'. I tried to > > mount using the ntfs type. Didn't work. > > > > I guess I don't know what "-t type" to specify when mounting a Linux type > > partition. > > > > When I initially tried to dd partition to the image file on a FAT32 > > partition, I got an error about exceeding the 2GB file limit. > > > > The dd command line looks like this: dd if=/dev/hdd1 of=/directory/disk.img > > bs=1M > > > > I am writing a hard drive partition to an image file and then writing the > > image file to a 'clean' hard drive. > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <tb...@ti...> > > To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> > > Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > > > > > > > > > It should work. However, the devil is in the details. > > > > > > What modules did you load? > > > > > > What is the dd command line? > > > > > > What are you doing after the dd finishes, that causes you to believe that > > > the dd failed? > > > > > > If you hope to use the disk as a filesystem, then the image you are > > > putting on the disk must be a fully formed filesystem. You should be able > > > to test the image with a mount -o loop command before you do the dd. The > > > partition type should be set to match the type of filesystem. > > > > > > More info would help. > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > Good morning all... > > > > > > > > I have a newbie question, sorry. > > > > > > > > I am using cfdisk to create a partition > > > > on a harddrive. I select the default > > > > type as Linux and then write the > > > > partition table. However, I am not able > > > > to then mount the partition under > > > > Trinux. I load what I think are the > > > > appropriate modules. I have even tried > > > > changing the type to NTFS with no luck. > > > > What I am trying to do is create a > > > > partition that I can write a 6.5GB image > > > > file to using dd. I previously tried > > > > this with VFAT, but ran into the 2GB > > > > file size limit. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > > Tri...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------- > > > Timothy Burt > > > Internet Specialist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > Tri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > -- > -------------------- > Timothy Burt > Internet Specialist > > > |
From: <tb...@ti...> - 2002-02-13 17:36:31
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The dd command you quote is to read IN the partition to a file. I assume you are changing the command when you dd the file to a partition. Do you know the proper device name for the partition you have just created? Was it used in the dd (out) command? You might try a "dd if=/dev/hdXX | od -c | head" and a "dd if=/directory/disk.img | od -c | head" and compare them visually. This might tell you alot. Perhaps you are missing an important piece... A partition defines a region of disk. A filesystem fills a partition, and defines how the data is organized. A file is a container, placed within a filesystem, that can hold data. [.*]nux offers features not found in other OS's, including the ability to bypass the filesystem and place a file on a partition and vise versa. You can dd a partition to a file. and then dd the file back to a new partition. You will have mirrored the partition. If you have both disks connected but unmounted, then you can dd directly "dd if=/dev/hde1 of=/dev/hde2". The imtermediary file is not necessary. You can then mount the second partition, just as you did the first. If you couldn't mount the source partition, then you won't be able to mount the clone. What is on the partition you are hoping to clone? Is is a windows partition? FAT? NTFS? or Linux? minix, ext2, ext3?. I think this may be a mount issue... On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > Okay, here goes. > > Using cfdisk, I create a partition on the hard drive of type 'Linux'. Then I > 'W'rite the partition table. > > I tried to mount the partition using the minix type. I get the error, "Too > many filesystems, wrong partition, yada yada..." > > I loaded ext2.o and tried to mount using the ext2 type. Didn't work. > > I loaded ntfs.o and change the partition type to 'HPFS/NTFS'. I tried to > mount using the ntfs type. Didn't work. > > I guess I don't know what "-t type" to specify when mounting a Linux type > partition. > > When I initially tried to dd partition to the image file on a FAT32 > partition, I got an error about exceeding the 2GB file limit. > > The dd command line looks like this: dd if=/dev/hdd1 of=/directory/disk.img > bs=1M > > I am writing a hard drive partition to an image file and then writing the > image file to a 'clean' hard drive. > > Richard Thomas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tb...@ti...> > To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> > Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > > > > > It should work. However, the devil is in the details. > > > > What modules did you load? > > > > What is the dd command line? > > > > What are you doing after the dd finishes, that causes you to believe that > > the dd failed? > > > > If you hope to use the disk as a filesystem, then the image you are > > putting on the disk must be a fully formed filesystem. You should be able > > to test the image with a mount -o loop command before you do the dd. The > > partition type should be set to match the type of filesystem. > > > > More info would help. > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > > > Good morning all... > > > > > > I have a newbie question, sorry. > > > > > > I am using cfdisk to create a partition > > > on a harddrive. I select the default > > > type as Linux and then write the > > > partition table. However, I am not able > > > to then mount the partition under > > > Trinux. I load what I think are the > > > appropriate modules. I have even tried > > > changing the type to NTFS with no luck. > > > What I am trying to do is create a > > > partition that I can write a 6.5GB image > > > file to using dd. I previously tried > > > this with VFAT, but ran into the 2GB > > > file size limit. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > Tri...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------- > > Timothy Burt > > Internet Specialist > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > -- -------------------- Timothy Burt Internet Specialist |
From: Richard T. <ri...@th...> - 2002-02-13 16:05:30
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Okay, here goes. Using cfdisk, I create a partition on the hard drive of type 'Linux'. Then I 'W'rite the partition table. I tried to mount the partition using the minix type. I get the error, "Too many filesystems, wrong partition, yada yada..." I loaded ext2.o and tried to mount using the ext2 type. Didn't work. I loaded ntfs.o and change the partition type to 'HPFS/NTFS'. I tried to mount using the ntfs type. Didn't work. I guess I don't know what "-t type" to specify when mounting a Linux type partition. When I initially tried to dd partition to the image file on a FAT32 partition, I got an error about exceeding the 2GB file limit. The dd command line looks like this: dd if=/dev/hdd1 of=/directory/disk.img bs=1M I am writing a hard drive partition to an image file and then writing the image file to a 'clean' hard drive. Richard Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: <tb...@ti...> To: "Richard Thomas" <ri...@th...> Cc: "Trinux-Talk" <tri...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Harddrive Format > > It should work. However, the devil is in the details. > > What modules did you load? > > What is the dd command line? > > What are you doing after the dd finishes, that causes you to believe that > the dd failed? > > If you hope to use the disk as a filesystem, then the image you are > putting on the disk must be a fully formed filesystem. You should be able > to test the image with a mount -o loop command before you do the dd. The > partition type should be set to match the type of filesystem. > > More info would help. > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > > > Good morning all... > > > > I have a newbie question, sorry. > > > > I am using cfdisk to create a partition > > on a harddrive. I select the default > > type as Linux and then write the > > partition table. However, I am not able > > to then mount the partition under > > Trinux. I load what I think are the > > appropriate modules. I have even tried > > changing the type to NTFS with no luck. > > What I am trying to do is create a > > partition that I can write a 6.5GB image > > file to using dd. I previously tried > > this with VFAT, but ran into the 2GB > > file size limit. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Richard Thomas > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > Tri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > -- > -------------------- > Timothy Burt > Internet Specialist > > > |
From: <tb...@ti...> - 2002-02-13 15:00:13
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It should work. However, the devil is in the details. What modules did you load? What is the dd command line? What are you doing after the dd finishes, that causes you to believe that the dd failed? If you hope to use the disk as a filesystem, then the image you are putting on the disk must be a fully formed filesystem. You should be able to test the image with a mount -o loop command before you do the dd. The partition type should be set to match the type of filesystem. More info would help. On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Richard Thomas wrote: > Good morning all... > > I have a newbie question, sorry. > > I am using cfdisk to create a partition > on a harddrive. I select the default > type as Linux and then write the > partition table. However, I am not able > to then mount the partition under > Trinux. I load what I think are the > appropriate modules. I have even tried > changing the type to NTFS with no luck. > What I am trying to do is create a > partition that I can write a 6.5GB image > file to using dd. I previously tried > this with VFAT, but ran into the 2GB > file size limit. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > -- -------------------- Timothy Burt Internet Specialist |
From: Richard T. <ri...@th...> - 2002-02-13 12:30:17
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Good morning all... I have a newbie question, sorry. I am using cfdisk to create a partition on a harddrive. I select the default type as Linux and then write the partition table. However, I am not able to then mount the partition under Trinux. I load what I think are the appropriate modules. I have even tried changing the type to NTFS with no luck. What I am trying to do is create a partition that I can write a 6.5GB image file to using dd. I previously tried this with VFAT, but ran into the 2GB file size limit. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Richard Thomas |
From: shivananda .s.n. <nay...@ya...> - 2002-02-13 11:59:00
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dear all, i have installed cron daemon. I edited the crontab as : " 12 12 13 feb wed root >/var/log/messages 2>&test --cron.daily " when i am running cron daemon using : " /etc/init.d/cron start|stop " i will be gtting the message as: ".. cron starting:command not found " and if u view in /var/log/messages file I find ...cron.info /usr/sbin(CRON}[551] STARTUP (fork ok) ...cron.info /usr/sbin(CRON}[551] STAT FAILED (/etc/cron.d) please solve this and give suitable solution. shivu --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! |
From: Matthew F. <mf...@ci...> - 2002-02-12 22:30:12
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Max rd size is hard coded into the kernel, but the max for the initrd depends on when you build the initrd with dd. I believe by default the last release of trinux used tmpfs /shmfs for all partitions except for / (which was the initrd) so it doesn't even use ramdisks. - mdf > > It 'could' also be a trinux-script problem perhaps. > I also had troubles with RAMdisk-size on my 64 Mb system. Trinux couldn't > use all RAM. I tried it by make changes on inir.rd. > Now for me it works fine. I'm no expert on this matter. > Perhaps I'm wrong. > (I want to get a full linux in RAM with a size of 512 Mb. Loaded from the > net. For fun. But at this time I don't have this amount of RAM so I can't > test it.) > > Arne > > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > |
From: P60 <akd...@ka...> - 2002-02-12 22:24:27
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It 'could' also be a trinux-script problem perhaps. I also had troubles with RAMdisk-size on my 64 Mb system. Trinux couldn't use all RAM. I tried it by make changes on inir.rd. Now for me it works fine. I'm no expert on this matter. Perhaps I'm wrong. (I want to get a full linux in RAM with a size of 512 Mb. Loaded from the net. For fun. But at this time I don't have this amount of RAM so I can't test it.) Arne |
From: Guillaume C. <co...@fi...> - 2002-02-12 20:25:58
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Hello, I am currently learning Perl with trinux. I was looking for the IO::Socket perl module. I actually found /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/IO/Socket/INET.pm but not /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/IO/Socket.pm which IO::Socket::INET and loads of other stuff rely on. I have installed the following packages: perlbin, perlcore, perluni, perlsite, perlmods. Did someone find it in another package? If it is not included, could you please include it in a package? Thanks a lot. _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net |
From: Matthew F. <mf...@ci...> - 2002-02-12 16:22:33
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Thanks for tracking this down -- if there is enough interest I can create a trinux-uml mailing list so we can take this off the trinux-talk list. I really haven't done a formal release announcement but there might be some interest in using a UML version of trinux for various things. - mdf > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:06:31 -0500 (EST) > From: Jonathan Rosenbaum <mma...@ya...> > To: Bill Burdick <bi...@ap...> > Cc: tri...@li..., Matthew Franz <mf...@ci...> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] (Solution) Alternative kernels and trinux-uml > > Hi trinux-talkers, > > Yes, the solution did come from looking at Bill's kernel config > for his uml. This is a really interesting problem. What is happening is > that the order in which the VFS (Virtual File System) is being checked by > the kernel for filesystem type determines when the bug occurs. > > In this case cramfs is the culprit. Notice what is happening below: > > RAMDISK: Minix filesystem found at block 0 > RAMDISK: Loading 4096 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. > Freeing initrd memory: 4096k freed > cramfs: wrong magic > MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended. > VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > When CONFIG_CRAMFS is made into a module or not included, the problem > disappears. But when I ran the same uml kernel with cramfs on an initrd > which has ext2 fs, the problem also disappears. This is because the > kernel uses an order when checking the fs. You can look at this order in > /proc/filesystems. > > For instance: > > nodev rootfs > nodev bdev > nodev proc > nodev sockfs > nodev tmpfs > nodev shm > nodev pipefs > nodev binfmt_misc > ext2 > cramfs > minix > umsdos > msdos > > An initrd with minix will fail in the above situation, but an initrd with > ext2 won't. So at this point if you want minix or msdos you can't have > cramfs included in the kernel. This may be related to a documented bug in > cramfs, regardless, a simple solution would be to put cramf at the end of > the VFS check list since it would be nice to have cramfs and everything > else, too. > > Thanks for the config. I am going to be posting a bug report at > user-mode-linux-devel, if you notice another fs causing this VFS problem > contact me, or add to this post. > > Regards, > > > Jonathan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > |
From: Matthew F. <mf...@ci...> - 2002-02-12 13:54:53
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The file /tux/config/crontab on the boot floppy follows the same format as the standard cron daemon. Create it if it is not there. Just in case you might be sure to include the system.tgz package but I don't think you need it. - mdf On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, shivananda .s.nayak wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:07:41 -0800 (PST) > From: shivananda .s.nayak <nay...@ya...> > To: tri...@li... > Subject: [Trinux-talk] cron problem with trinux > > dear all, > I have installed TRINUX .It is working fine.Now I want > include cron daemon package for scheduling the task. > please help me with proper >.tgz package for > insatalling cron daemon on trinux,its steps of > installation,configuration,editing and scheduling > > hope my problem is clear and u will be able to provide > the solution as early as possible. > > I WAS STUCK UP IN MIDDLE OF PROJECT. > > waiting ur reply very anxiously... > > nayak > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > |
From: shivananda .s.n. <nay...@ya...> - 2002-02-12 13:07:42
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dear all, I have installed TRINUX .It is working fine.Now I want include cron daemon package for scheduling the task. please help me with proper >.tgz package for insatalling cron daemon on trinux,its steps of installation,configuration,editing and scheduling hope my problem is clear and u will be able to provide the solution as early as possible. I WAS STUCK UP IN MIDDLE OF PROJECT. waiting ur reply very anxiously... nayak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com |
From: shivananda .s.n. <nay...@ya...> - 2002-02-12 13:05:34
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dear all, I have installed TRINUX .It is working fine.Now I want include cron daemon package for scheduling the task. please help me with proper >.tgz package for insatalling cron daemon on trinux,its steps of installation,configuration,editing and scheduling shivu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com |
From: Jonathan R. <mma...@ya...> - 2002-02-12 05:40:55
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Hi trinux-talkers, Yes, the solution did come from looking at Bill's kernel config for his uml. This is a really interesting problem. What is happening is that the order in which the VFS (Virtual File System) is being checked by the kernel for filesystem type determines when the bug occurs. In this case cramfs is the culprit. Notice what is happening below: RAMDISK: Minix filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 4096 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. Freeing initrd memory: 4096k freed cramfs: wrong magic MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended. VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). Warning: unable to open an initial console. Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. When CONFIG_CRAMFS is made into a module or not included, the problem disappears. But when I ran the same uml kernel with cramfs on an initrd which has ext2 fs, the problem also disappears. This is because the kernel uses an order when checking the fs. You can look at this order in /proc/filesystems. For instance: nodev rootfs nodev bdev nodev proc nodev sockfs nodev tmpfs nodev shm nodev pipefs nodev binfmt_misc ext2 cramfs minix umsdos msdos An initrd with minix will fail in the above situation, but an initrd with ext2 won't. So at this point if you want minix or msdos you can't have cramfs included in the kernel. This may be related to a documented bug in cramfs, regardless, a simple solution would be to put cramf at the end of the VFS check list since it would be nice to have cramfs and everything else, too. Thanks for the config. I am going to be posting a bug report at user-mode-linux-devel, if you notice another fs causing this VFS problem contact me, or add to this post. Regards, Jonathan |
From: Jonathan R. <mma...@ya...> - 2002-02-11 20:21:49
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Actually, the ramdisk_size switch does work properly. Compiling 7168 into the kernel didn't help. It has to be something, and I am suspicious that this factor may be found in the config you are using. > > Also, you must make sure that initrd and minix are compiled into the > > kernel (not as modules), and make sure that the ram dev size is big > > enough (I use 7168) > > Initrd and minix are compiled into the kernel. > > You should be able to pass ramdisk_size=7168, this may be the problem > because the RAMDISK doesn't seem to recognize this switch. I'll try the > 7168 compiled into the kernel to find out whether this makes a difference. > It may be a uml bug or just the lack of this feature. > > If you can, please send or post that .config just in case it is a weird > interaction in the kernel. Thanks. > > > On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 17:25, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote: > > > Hi,exec ../linux > > > > > > I've been trying to get the initrd from trinux-uml-0.1.tgz to work with > > > another kernel which has both CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD > > > configured, the minix fs mounts, but for some reason an initial console > > > can't be found, and this isn't a devfs issue either since nomount is used. > > > > > > Usually, in a situation like this it would be safe to assume that > > > something is amiss in the initrd, but this is definitely not the case, and > > > the initrd does work properly with the kernel which comes with trinux-uml. > > > I thought maybe it was a compiler issue so I made a uml (2.4.17-5um) with > > > the same compiler used to make the trinux-uml kernel, but I still had the > > > same results. > > > > > > This leads me to suspect that it is a configuration conflict. Could you > > > please send me the .config you used for the trinux-uml kernel? It would > > > also be a good idea to include this .config with the trinux-uml package. > > > > > > The kernel which ships with gbootroot (gbootroot.sf.net) exhibits the same > > > problem, and the config used to make this kernel is included. I am > > > thinking that it may be something simple causing this problem. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > RAMDISK: Minix filesystem found at block 0 > > > RAMDISK: Loading 4096 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. > > > Freeing initrd memory: 4096k freed > > > cramfs: wrong magic > > > MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended. > > > VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). > > > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > > > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > Tri...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > -- > > Bill Burdick > > Bi...@ap... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > |
From: Jonathan R. <mma...@ya...> - 2002-02-11 19:57:02
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On 11 Feb 2002, Bill Burdick wrote: > The problem might be in the args you're passing to the kernel. Here are > the command line args I'm using (from my run script): > > umid=bob initrd=initrd root=/dev/ram0 umlpacks=$dir/$disk eth0=daemon > eth1=daemon $args > > umid -- identifies this instances name for uml_mconsole This shouldn't be a factor. > initrd -- identifies initrd file > -- note that you need this one, NOT init= > -- this could be your problem right here Yes, I've been using initrd=initrd. > root=/dev/ram0 -- identifies the device for initrd Same here. > umlpacks=$dir/$disk -- stuff for my linuxrc A customized switch, but this only matters if the linuxrc is executed, and this isn't happening with my kernel, though it does with your kernel. > eth0=daemon -- ethernet device. run uml_switch for this to work. > eth1=daemon -- ethernet device > > > Also, you must make sure that initrd and minix are compiled into the > kernel (not as modules), and make sure that the ram dev size is big > enough (I use 7168) Initrd and minix are compiled into the kernel. You should be able to pass ramdisk_size=7168, this may be the problem because the RAMDISK doesn't seem to recognize this switch. I'll try the 7168 compiled into the kernel to find out whether this makes a difference. It may be a uml bug or just the lack of this feature. If you can, please send or post that .config just in case it is a weird interaction in the kernel. Thanks. > On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 17:25, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote: > > Hi,exec ../linux > > > > I've been trying to get the initrd from trinux-uml-0.1.tgz to work with > > another kernel which has both CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD > > configured, the minix fs mounts, but for some reason an initial console > > can't be found, and this isn't a devfs issue either since nomount is used. > > > > Usually, in a situation like this it would be safe to assume that > > something is amiss in the initrd, but this is definitely not the case, and > > the initrd does work properly with the kernel which comes with trinux-uml. > > I thought maybe it was a compiler issue so I made a uml (2.4.17-5um) with > > the same compiler used to make the trinux-uml kernel, but I still had the > > same results. > > > > This leads me to suspect that it is a configuration conflict. Could you > > please send me the .config you used for the trinux-uml kernel? It would > > also be a good idea to include this .config with the trinux-uml package. > > > > The kernel which ships with gbootroot (gbootroot.sf.net) exhibits the same > > problem, and the config used to make this kernel is included. I am > > thinking that it may be something simple causing this problem. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > RAMDISK: Minix filesystem found at block 0 > > RAMDISK: Loading 4096 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. > > Freeing initrd memory: 4096k freed > > cramfs: wrong magic > > MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended. > > VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). > > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > Tri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > -- > Bill Burdick > Bi...@ap... > |
From: Jonathan R. <mma...@ya...> - 2002-02-11 19:53:23
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On 11 Feb 2002, Bill Burdick wrote: > The problem might be in the args you're passing to the kernel. Here are > the command line args I'm using (from my run script): > > umid=bob initrd=initrd root=/dev/ram0 umlpacks=$dir/$disk eth0=daemon > eth1=daemon $args > umid -- identifies this instances name for uml_mconsole Umid shouldn't be a factor. > initrd -- identifies initrd file > -- note that you need this one, NOT init= > -- this could be your problem right here Yes, I've been using initrd=initrd. > root=/dev/ram0 -- identifies the device for initrd Same here. > umlpacks=$dir/$disk -- stuff for my linuxrc A customized switch, but this only matters if the linuxrc is executed, and this isn't happening with my kernel, though it does with your kernel. > eth0=daemon -- ethernet device. run uml_switch for this to work. > eth1=daemon -- ethernet device > > > Also, you must make sure that initrd and minix are compiled into the > kernel (not as modules), and make sure that the ram dev size is big > enough (I use 7168) Initrd and minix are compiled into the kernel. You should be able to pass ramdisk_size=7168, this may be the problem because the RAMDISK doesn't seem to recognize this switch. I'll try the 7168 compiled into the kernel to find out whether this makes a difference. It may be a uml bug or just the lack of this feature. If you can, please send or post that .config just in case it is a weird interaction in the kernel. Thanks. > On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 17:25, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote: > > Hi,exec ../linux > > > > I've been trying to get the initrd from trinux-uml-0.1.tgz to work with > > another kernel which has both CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD > > configured, the minix fs mounts, but for some reason an initial console > > can't be found, and this isn't a devfs issue either since nomount is used. > > > > Usually, in a situation like this it would be safe to assume that > > something is amiss in the initrd, but this is definitely not the case, and > > the initrd does work properly with the kernel which comes with trinux-uml. > > I thought maybe it was a compiler issue so I made a uml (2.4.17-5um) with > > the same compiler used to make the trinux-uml kernel, but I still had the > > same results. > > > > This leads me to suspect that it is a configuration conflict. Could you > > please send me the .config you used for the trinux-uml kernel? It would > > also be a good idea to include this .config with the trinux-uml package. > > > > The kernel which ships with gbootroot (gbootroot.sf.net) exhibits the same > > problem, and the config used to make this kernel is included. I am > > thinking that it may be something simple causing this problem. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > RAMDISK: Minix filesystem found at block 0 > > RAMDISK: Loading 4096 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. > > Freeing initrd memory: 4096k freed > > cramfs: wrong magic > > MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended. > > VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). > > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > Tri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > -- > Bill Burdick > Bi...@ap... > |
From: Bill B. <bi...@ap...> - 2002-02-11 18:45:23
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The problem might be in the args you're passing to the kernel. Here are the command line args I'm using (from my run script): umid=bob initrd=initrd root=/dev/ram0 umlpacks=$dir/$disk eth0=daemon eth1=daemon $args umid -- identifies this instances name for uml_mconsole initrd -- identifies initrd file -- note that you need this one, NOT init= -- this could be your problem right here root=/dev/ram0 -- identifies the device for initrd umlpacks=$dir/$disk -- stuff for my linuxrc eth0=daemon -- ethernet device. run uml_switch for this to work. eth1=daemon -- ethernet device Also, you must make sure that initrd and minix are compiled into the kernel (not as modules), and make sure that the ram dev size is big enough (I use 7168) On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 17:25, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote: > Hi,exec ../linux > > I've been trying to get the initrd from trinux-uml-0.1.tgz to work with > another kernel which has both CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD > configured, the minix fs mounts, but for some reason an initial console > can't be found, and this isn't a devfs issue either since nomount is used. > > Usually, in a situation like this it would be safe to assume that > something is amiss in the initrd, but this is definitely not the case, and > the initrd does work properly with the kernel which comes with trinux-uml. > I thought maybe it was a compiler issue so I made a uml (2.4.17-5um) with > the same compiler used to make the trinux-uml kernel, but I still had the > same results. > > This leads me to suspect that it is a configuration conflict. Could you > please send me the .config you used for the trinux-uml kernel? It would > also be a good idea to include this .config with the trinux-uml package. > > The kernel which ships with gbootroot (gbootroot.sf.net) exhibits the same > problem, and the config used to make this kernel is included. I am > thinking that it may be something simple causing this problem. > > Thanks, > > > Jonathan > > > RAMDISK: Minix filesystem found at block 0 > RAMDISK: Loading 4096 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. > Freeing initrd memory: 4096k freed > cramfs: wrong magic > MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended. > VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk -- Bill Burdick Bi...@ap... |
From: Bill B. <bi...@ap...> - 2002-02-11 18:45:07
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I'm using it for rapid turnaround in configuration testing and for automated regression testing. You can change a trinux distribution and test it immediately. Boot up time is very quick, because there is no machine to initialize (no BIOS, etc.). You can have a script alter distributions and config parameters and test the results all by itself. On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 22:15, windham lance wrote: What would be the advantage of using UML-Trinux over regular trinux-ide? -- Bill Burdick Bi...@ap... |
From: David G. M. <dgl...@gm...> - 2002-02-11 11:49:03
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Could be very usefull for a Honney-net / Honney Pot. I would be very very very interested to see the result you get on the mailing list. So if you are successfull at setting up a Trinux bootCD or boot from IDE that can then run UML... Please report to this mailing list. David GLAUDE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Franz" <mf...@ci...> To: "windham lance" <mst...@ho...> Cc: <tri...@li...> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] UML-Trinux > > Trinux-UML has to be run inside of a Linux distro. But you could run a > bunch of instances of Trinux all on their own virtual network if you > wanted. |
From: Matthew F. <mf...@ci...> - 2002-02-11 11:30:42
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Trinux-UML has to be run inside of a Linux distro. But you could run a bunch of instances of Trinux all on their own virtual network if you wanted. - mdf > > What would be the advantage of using UML-Trinux over regular > > trinux-ide? > > > "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We > don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson - > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > _______________________________________________ Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > |