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From: Alef A. \(JTeam\) <al...@jt...> - 2003-08-28 13:06:35
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+1 for spring-full-1.0.jar=20 =20 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] Namens Kopylenko, Dmitry Verzonden: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:56 PM Aan: 'j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]'; 'spr...@li...' CC: 'tri...@tr...'; 'rod...@in...' Onderwerp: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed +1 for spring-full-1.0.jar -----Original Message----- From: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] [mailto:jue...@we...]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:53 AM To: spr...@li... Cc: tri...@tr...; rod...@in... Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "spring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file does not need to reflect the exact detail version. I consider it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See servlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this until *tomorrow*? :-) =20 Juergen =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]=20 Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM To: Lars Fischer; spr...@li... Cc: tri...@tr... Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed Let's vote on this. I don't mind either naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering the spring-full-1.0m1 style? =20 BTW, Hibernate uses hibernate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8.jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite ends, I guess. =20 Juergen =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----=20 Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...]=20 Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18=20 An: spr...@li...=20 Cc: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]; tri...@tr...=20 Betreff: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed I agree with Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realize that I was using an older version. The jar-files should be named after the version. > Juergen, > > The drawback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if it is M1, M2 > or > the release jar. > > Thomas > > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full-1.0.jar", if we > stick > > to the current plan. We've used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g. > > "spring-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I prefer that > way > > to ease drop-in replacement in the literal sense :-) The build > properties > > reflect this in "spring-version=3D1.0" and "spring-version-detail=3D1.0m1". > >=20 > > Juergen > >=20 > >=20 > > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: tri...@tr... [mailto:tri...@tr...] > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 19:21 > > An: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT] > > Cc: Lars Fischer; spr...@li... > > Betreff: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > =20 > > =20 > > > > Juergen, > > =20 > > > Anyway, ContextLoaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at > the > > end > > > of this week if there aren't any major obstacles. BTW, can everybody > > please > > > test the current CVS contents against own applications? > > > > > =20 > > I am updating the Step-by-step-MVC document - what will the exact name > of > > the > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming 'spring-framework-1.0M1' > and > > 'spring-full-1.0M1.jar'. > > =20 > > Thomas > > =20 > > > > > > > |
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From: Colin S. <col...@ex...> - 2003-08-28 13:32:43
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Well in this case, I think the best choice is probably something like spring-full.jar for this version, then something like spring2-full.jar/spring-full2.jar for the next version which breaks api compatibility, etc. This works on the assumption that people are manually managing dependencies, and allows people to slip in new jars without changing references when the api has not changed. Then for maven usage, what would happen is that it would be uploaded to ibiblio (or whatever maven repository) with the full version number, for example, spring-full-1.0.1.jar. The maven users would specify the exact version in the project files. The alternative, to have the full version in the the name, is almost as good, as the manual people can rename it to whatever they like. But I don't like the in-between variant. It's not exact enough for maven handling, and too exact for manual handling. Again, when the api is no longer upwards compatible and you have something like hibernate vs hibernate2, I think that needs to be reflected in the name since I basically consider those different apis/libs, not just different versions. Justy my opinion :-) jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote: >We manage our dependencies manually here at werk3AT :-) And as far as I remember, no Hibernate user has complained about hibernate2.jar yet. > >Juergen > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Colin Sampaleanu [mailto:col...@ex...] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:04 PM >To: jürgen höller [werk3AT] >Cc: spr...@li... >Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > >To throw some water into the fire, :-), I prefer the exact name when >using Maven, since I can enforce what I am getting, but when managing >dependencies manually, I prefer not to have a version in the name except >when it is something like a major version number which indicates a >different api; then I can slip a new version in as needed without >changing all references. > >jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote: > > > >>Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer >>"spring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file does not need >>to reflect the exact detail version. I consider it fine enough if it >>indicates the major version. See servlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we >>please decide on this until *tomorrow*? :-) >> >>Juergen >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* jürgen höller [werk3AT] >> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM >> *To:* Lars Fischer; spr...@li... >> *Cc:* tri...@tr... >> *Subject:* Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed >> >> Let's vote on this. I don't mind either naming strategy for jar >> files. Anybody else prefering the spring-full-1.0m1 style? >> >> BTW, Hibernate uses hibernate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J >> uses log4j-1.2.8.jar for the specific version. 2 examples for >> opposite ends, I guess. >> >> Juergen >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> *Von:* Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...] >> *Gesendet:* Mo 25.08.2003 23:18 >> *An:* spr...@li... >> *Cc:* jürgen höller [werk3AT]; tri...@tr... >> *Betreff:* Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed >> >> I agree with Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't >> realize >> that I was using an older version. The jar-files should be >> named after >> the version. >> >> > Juergen, >> > >> > The drawback then is that you can't tell from the jar file >> if it is M1, M2 >> > or >> > the release jar. >> > >> > Thomas >> > >> > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and >> "spring-full-1.0.jar", if we >> > stick >> > > to the current plan. We've used the same naming strategy >> for 0.9.x, e.g. >> > > "spring-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". >> I prefer that >> > way >> > > to ease drop-in replacement in the literal sense :-) The build >> > properties >> > > reflect this in "spring-version=1.0" and >> "spring-version-detail=1.0m1". >> > > >> > > Juergen >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> > > Von: tri...@tr... [mailto:tri...@tr...] >> > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 19:21 >> > > An: jürgen höller [werk3AT] >> > > Cc: Lars Fischer; >> spr...@li... >> > > Betreff: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example >> classes needed >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Juergen, >> > > >> > > > Anyway, ContextLoaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to >> be released at >> > the >> > > end >> > > > of this week if there aren't any major obstacles. >> BTW, can everybody >> > > please >> > > > test the current CVS contents against own applications? >> > > > >> > > >> > > I am updating the Step-by-step-MVC document - what >> will the exact name >> > of >> > > the >> > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming >> 'spring-framework-1.0M1' >> > and >> > > 'spring-full-1.0M1.jar'. >> > > >> > > Thomas >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > |
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From: Alef A. \(JTeam\) <al...@jt...> - 2003-08-28 13:53:11
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Colin, you kind of have a point there... So we basically need to investigate how many people manage dependencies automatically and how many do it manually and then decide... ;-) Anyway, I think the version number needs to be in there... (I'm managing dependencies using a maven-like structure ;-) Alef -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] Namens Colin Sampaleanu Verzonden: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:33 PM Aan: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] CC: spr...@li... Onderwerp: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed Well in this case, I think the best choice is probably something like=20 spring-full.jar for this version, then something like=20 spring2-full.jar/spring-full2.jar for the next version which breaks api=20 compatibility, etc. This works on the assumption that people are=20 manually managing dependencies, and allows people to slip in new jars=20 without changing references when the api has not changed. Then for maven usage, what would happen is that it would be uploaded to ibiblio (or=20 whatever maven repository) with the full version number, for example,=20 spring-full-1.0.1.jar. The maven users would specify the exact version=20 in the project files. The alternative, to have the full version in the the name, is almost as=20 good, as the manual people can rename it to whatever they like. But I don't like the in-between variant. It's not exact enough for maven handling, and too exact for manual handling. Again, when the api is no longer upwards compatible and you have=20 something like hibernate vs hibernate2, I think that needs to be=20 reflected in the name since I basically consider those different=20 apis/libs, not just different versions. Justy my opinion :-) j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] wrote: >We manage our dependencies manually here at werk3AT :-) And as far as I >remember, no Hibernate user has complained about hibernate2.jar yet. > >Juergen > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Colin Sampaleanu [mailto:col...@ex...] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:04 PM >To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] >Cc: spr...@li... >Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > >To throw some water into the fire, :-), I prefer the exact name when >using Maven, since I can enforce what I am getting, but when managing=20 >dependencies manually, I prefer not to have a version in the name except=20 >when it is something like a major version number which indicates a=20 >different api; then I can slip a new version in as needed without=20 >changing all references. > >j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] wrote: > > =20 > >>Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer >>"spring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file does not need >>to reflect the exact detail version. I consider it fine enough if it=20 >>indicates the major version. See servlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we=20 >>please decide on this until *tomorrow*? :-) >>=20 >>Juergen >>=20 >>=20 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] >> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM >> *To:* Lars Fischer; spr...@li... >> *Cc:* tri...@tr... >> *Subject:* Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed >> >> Let's vote on this. I don't mind either naming strategy for jar >> files. Anybody else prefering the spring-full-1.0m1 style? >> =20 >> BTW, Hibernate uses hibernate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J >> uses log4j-1.2.8.jar for the specific version. 2 examples for >> opposite ends, I guess. >> =20 >> Juergen >> =20 >> =20 >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> *Von:* Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...] >> *Gesendet:* Mo 25.08.2003 23:18 >> *An:* spr...@li... >> *Cc:* j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]; tri...@tr... >> *Betreff:* Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes=20 >> needed >> >> I agree with Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't >> realize >> that I was using an older version. The jar-files should be >> named after >> the version. >> >> > Juergen, >> > >> > The drawback then is that you can't tell from the jar file >> if it is M1, M2 >> > or >> > the release jar. >> > >> > Thomas >> > >> > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and >> "spring-full-1.0.jar", if we >> > stick >> > > to the current plan. We've used the same naming strategy >> for 0.9.x, e.g. >> > > "spring-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". >> I prefer that >> > way >> > > to ease drop-in replacement in the literal sense :-) The build >> > properties >> > > reflect this in "spring-version=3D1.0" and >> "spring-version-detail=3D1.0m1". >> > >=20 >> > > Juergen >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> > > >> > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- >> > > Von: tri...@tr... [mailto:tri...@tr...] >> > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 19:21 >> > > An: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT] >> > > Cc: Lars Fischer; >> spr...@li... >> > > Betreff: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example >> classes needed >> > > =20 >> > > =20 >> > > >> > > Juergen, >> > > =20 >> > > > Anyway, ContextLoaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to >> be released at >> > the >> > > end >> > > > of this week if there aren't any major obstacles. >> BTW, can everybody >> > > please >> > > > test the current CVS contents against own applications? >> > > > >> > > =20 >> > > I am updating the Step-by-step-MVC document - what >> will the exact name >> > of >> > > the >> > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming >> 'spring-framework-1.0M1' >> > and >> > > 'spring-full-1.0M1.jar'. >> > > =20 >> > > Thomas >> > > =20 >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> =20 >> > > > =20 > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Springframework-developer mailing list Spr...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: <jue...@we...> - 2003-08-28 16:09:02
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Lars, The problem is that we have multiple jar files: - spring-beans.jar - spring-aop.jar - spring-jdbc.jar - spring-orm.jar - spring-context.jar - spring-full.jar "full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it = "spring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others agree. = What does everybody think? Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind = dropping the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet style. = I'm just not a fan of very specific file names. So 2 questions: 1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file 2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) = "spring-beans.jar" In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b = either, though. Juergen -----Original Message----- From: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 PM To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] Cc: spr...@li...; tri...@tr...; rod...@in... Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed What about spring.jar, spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full". > Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp > ring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe > s not need to reflect the exact detail version. I conside > r it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See s > ervlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this=20 > until *tomorrow*? :-) > =20 > Juergen > =20 > =20 >=20 > -----Original=20 > Message----- > From: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT]=20 > Sent: Mon > day, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM > To: Lars Fischer; springfr > ame...@li... > Cc: trisberg@tri > db.com > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example=20 > classes needed >=20 >=20 > Let's vote on this. I don't mind eith > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering=20 > the spring-full-1.0m1 style? > =20 > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8 > .jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite en > ds, I guess. > =20 > Juergen > =20 > =20 >=20 > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nac > hricht-----=20 > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lars.fischer@gmxp > ro.net]=20 > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18=20 > An: springframe > wor...@li...=20 > Cc: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6lle > r [werk3AT]; tri...@tr...=20 > Betreff: Re: [Springfra > mework-developer] Example classes needed >=20 >=20 >=20 > I agree w > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realiz > e > that I was using an older version. The jar-files shoul > d be named after > the version. >=20 > > Juergen, > > > > The dr > awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i > t is M1, M2 > > or > > the release jar. > > > > Thomas > > > >=20 > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full > -1.0.jar", if we > > stick > > > to the current plan. We've > used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g. > > > "spri > ng-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr > efer that > > way > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the=20 > literal sense :-) The build > > properties > > > reflect th > is in "spring-version=3D1.0" and "spring-version-detail=3D1.0 > m1". > > >=20 > > > Juergen > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > > > -----Ur > spr=C3f=C2=BCngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: trisberg@trid > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...] > > > Gesendet: Mo=20 > 25.08.2003 19:21 > > > An: j=C3f=C2=BCrgen h=C3f=C2=B6ller [werk3A > T] > > > Cc: Lars Fischer; springframework-developer@l > ists.sourceforge.net > > > Betreff: RE: [Springframewo > rk-developer] Example classes needed > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > > > > > Juergen, > > > =20 > > > > Anyway, ContextL > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at > > th > e > > > end > > > > of this week if there aren't any ma > jor obstacles. BTW, can everybody > > > please > > > >=20 > test the current CVS contents against own applications? > > > > > > > =20 > > > I am updating the Step-by-ste > p-MVC document - what will the exact name > > of > > > the >=20 > > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming 'sp > ring-framework-1.0M1' > > and > > > 'spring-full-1.0M1. > jar'. > > > =20 > > > Thomas > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 |
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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-08-28 16:25:36
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1b and 2c ('spring.jar' and 'spring-beans.jar') +1
Once we decide on a naming structure - I will need a some time to modify the
MVC-step-by-step documents that are part of the release. So let's finalize this
today if we can :-)
Thomas
> Lars,
>
> The problem is that we have multiple jar files:
> - spring-beans.jar
> - spring-aop.jar
> - spring-jdbc.jar
> - spring-orm.jar
> - spring-context.jar
> - spring-full.jar
>
> "full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it
> "spring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others agree. What
> does everybody think?
>
> Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind dropping
> the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet style. I'm just not a
> fan of very specific file names.
>
> So 2 questions:
> 1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file
> 2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c)
> "spring-beans.jar"
>
> In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b either,
> though.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 PM
> To: jürgen höller [werk3AT]
> Cc: spr...@li...; tri...@tr...;
> rod...@in...
> Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed
>
>
> What about spring.jar, spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full".
>
>
> > Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp
> > ring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe
> > s not need to reflect the exact detail version. I conside
> > r it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See s
> > ervlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this
> > until *tomorrow*? :-)
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original
> > Message-----
> > From: jürgen höller [werk3AT]
> > Sent: Mon
> > day, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM
> > To: Lars Fischer; springfr
> > ame...@li...
> > Cc: trisberg@tri
> > db.com
> > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example
> > classes needed
> >
> >
> > Let's vote on this. I don't mind eith
> > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering
> > the spring-full-1.0m1 style?
> >
> > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe
> > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8
> > .jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite en
> > ds, I guess.
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nac
> > hricht-----
> > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lars.fischer@gmxp
> > ro.net]
> > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18
> > An: springframe
> > wor...@li...
> > Cc: jürgen hölle
> > r [werk3AT]; tri...@tr...
> > Betreff: Re: [Springfra
> > mework-developer] Example classes needed
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree w
> > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realiz
> > e
> > that I was using an older version. The jar-files shoul
> > d be named after
> > the version.
> >
> > > Juergen,
> > >
> > > The dr
> > awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i
> > t is M1, M2
> > > or
> > > the release jar.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full
> > -1.0.jar", if we
> > > stick
> > > > to the current plan. We've
> > used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g.
> > > > "spri
> > ng-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr
> > efer that
> > > way
> > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the
> > literal sense :-) The build
> > > properties
> > > > reflect th
> > is in "spring-version=1.0" and "spring-version-detail=1.0
> > m1".
> > > >
> > > > Juergen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Ur
> > sprÃf¼ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: trisberg@trid
> > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...]
> > > > Gesendet: Mo
> > 25.08.2003 19:21
> > > > An: jÃf¼rgen hÃf¶ller [werk3A
> > T]
> > > > Cc: Lars Fischer; springframework-developer@l
> > ists.sourceforge.net
> > > > Betreff: RE: [Springframewo
> > rk-developer] Example classes needed
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Juergen,
> > > >
> > > > > Anyway, ContextL
> > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at
> > > th
> > e
> > > > end
> > > > > of this week if there aren't any ma
> > jor obstacles. BTW, can everybody
> > > > please
> > > > >
> > test the current CVS contents against own applications?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am updating the Step-by-ste
> > p-MVC document - what will the exact name
> > > of
> > > > the
> >
> > > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming 'sp
> > ring-framework-1.0M1'
> > > and
> > > > 'spring-full-1.0M1.
> > jar'.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Ken K. <kk...@kk...> - 2003-08-28 16:50:29
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+1 for 1b and 2c. I think excess version info in the names creates more problems than it solves. Ken jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote: >Lars, > >The problem is that we have multiple jar files: >- spring-beans.jar >- spring-aop.jar >- spring-jdbc.jar >- spring-orm.jar >- spring-context.jar >- spring-full.jar > >"full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it "spring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others agree. What does everybody think? > >Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind dropping the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet style. I'm just not a fan of very specific file names. > >So 2 questions: >1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file >2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) "spring-beans.jar" > >In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b either, though. > >Juergen > > > > |
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From: <rod...@in...> - 2003-08-28 16:58:55
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>1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file >2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) "spring-beans.jar" 1b although I don't mind 1a either 2a - I like version info as I tend to dump a bunch of stuff in WEB-INF/lib or the like and like to be able to see what version I have. |
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From: <jue...@we...> - 2003-08-28 17:20:47
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I've just added a manifest entry "Spring-Version" to our build scripts. = This means that a "spring.jar" for 1.0 M1 will include a = "Spring-Version=3D1.0m1" entry in its META-INF/manifest.mf file. So if = you've got jar files lying around, you can always check the exact = version. With this included, I tend to drop version numbers even more. = Thanks for the idea, Rob - I just guess it's simpler to make a manifest = entry than to include an extra file. We all seem to agree we prefer "spring.jar" over "spring-full.jar", but = are about 50:50 regarding version numbers in the name. So let's focus on = the latter: Would anyone *mind* no version number in the name, given = that it's mentioned in the manifest file? Everyone is free to rename the = files any way he wants anyway, it's just about the shipped jars. As for = me, I would mind the full version number "1.0m1" - in the meantime, I = even prefer "spring.jar". To keep the fire burning, some examples for no version numbers that I = know of: Servlet, JUnit, JavaMail, Xerces, JSTL, Commons Logging, = Commons DBCP, XAPool, Hibernate, COS, GLUE, Ant, Tomcat, JBoss, Clover. = Counterexamples with version numbers in the jar name: JTA, CGLIB, BCEL, = Log4J, Castor, Tyrex, Velocity, Tapestry, Hessian, iText, MySQL JDBC = driver. In the end, one can argue for all options. There is no obvious solution. = So we should try to settle on one option and stick with it. Juergen -----Original Message----- From: Rob Butler [mailto:rob...@ve...] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:34 PM To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]; Lars Fischer Cc: spr...@li...; tri...@tr...; rod...@in... Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed Hello all, Since spring is modular, why not break it down even further into = chuncks. spring-common.jar ->Basic stuff that is used everywhere in spring spring-beans.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring Beans stuff. spring-aop.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring AOP stuff. spring-jdbc -> contains ONLY the Spring JDBC stuff. spring-orm.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring ORM stuff. spring-context.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring context stuff. spring-mvc.jar -> contains ONLY the spring MVC stuff. If spring-orm.jar is dependent upon spring-common.jar then the user will = need to download and include spring-common.jar in the classpath too. In = this way people can pick and choose the exact parts they want, but you = don't have to come up with a million different package combinations... = i.e. no packages that include ORM & JDBC, but not MVC. Another one that = has ORM, JDBC, context, but not MVC. Another one that has ORM, jdbc & = MVC. Another one that has ORM, JDBC, context & MVC. See where I am = going with this? People should be smart enough to take the parts they want, and to get = the dependencies they need. Now as far as the file name goes, why not just use a name WITHOUT the = version name in it, and then include a file (or directory) in the root = of the jar called VERSION-1.0.1 or some such thing. That way people = will not need to worry about changing build scripts to use a newer = version of the jar that is API compatible, and they can still easiliy = determine what version they are using by looking in the jar itself. the = only time the jar file name should change is if the API has LARGE = changes that renders the new jar completely incompatible with the old = API. Minor changes to the API should probably not have the jar file = names changed. Just some ideas and my 2 cents. Later Rob > From: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] <jue...@we...> > Date: 2003/08/28 Thu PM 12:07:42 EDT > To: "Lars Fischer" <lar...@gm...> > CC: <spr...@li...>,=20 > <tri...@tr...>,=20 > <rod...@in...> > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed >=20 > Lars, >=20 > The problem is that we have multiple jar files: > - spring-beans.jar > - spring-aop.jar > - spring-jdbc.jar > - spring-orm.jar > - spring-context.jar > - spring-full.jar >=20 > "full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it = "spring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others agree. = What does everybody think? >=20 > Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind = dropping the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet style. = I'm just not a fan of very specific file names. >=20 > So 2 questions: > 1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file > 2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) = "spring-beans.jar" >=20 > In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b = either, though. >=20 > Juergen >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 PM > To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] > Cc: spr...@li...; = tri...@tr...; > rod...@in... > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed >=20 >=20 > What about spring.jar, spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full". >=20 >=20 > > Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp > > ring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe > > s not need to reflect the exact detail version. I conside > > r it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See s > > ervlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this=20 > > until *tomorrow*? :-) > > =20 > > Juergen > > =20 > > =20 > >=20 > > -----Original=20 > > Message----- > > From: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT]=20 > > Sent: Mon > > day, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM > > To: Lars Fischer; springfr > > ame...@li... > > Cc: trisberg@tri > > db.com > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example=20 > > classes needed > >=20 > >=20 > > Let's vote on this. I don't mind eith > > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering=20 > > the spring-full-1.0m1 style? > > =20 > > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe > > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8 > > .jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite en > > ds, I guess. > > =20 > > Juergen > > =20 > > =20 > >=20 > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nac > > hricht-----=20 > > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lars.fischer@gmxp > > ro.net]=20 > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18=20 > > An: springframe > > wor...@li...=20 > > Cc: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6lle > > r [werk3AT]; tri...@tr...=20 > > Betreff: Re: [Springfra > > mework-developer] Example classes needed > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I agree w > > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realiz > > e > > that I was using an older version. The jar-files shoul > > d be named after > > the version. > >=20 > > > Juergen, > > > > > > The dr > > awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i > > t is M1, M2 > > > or > > > the release jar. > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > >=20 > > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full > > -1.0.jar", if we > > > stick > > > > to the current plan. We've > > used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g. > > > > "spri > > ng-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr > > efer that > > > way > > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the=20 > > literal sense :-) The build > > > properties > > > > reflect th > > is in "spring-version=3D1.0" and "spring-version-detail=3D1.0 > > m1". > > > >=20 > > > > Juergen > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > -----Ur > > spr=C3f=C2=BCngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: trisberg@trid > > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...] > > > > Gesendet: Mo=20 > > 25.08.2003 19:21 > > > > An: j=C3f=C2=BCrgen h=C3f=C2=B6ller [werk3A > > T] > > > > Cc: Lars Fischer; springframework-developer@l > > ists.sourceforge.net > > > > Betreff: RE: [Springframewo > > rk-developer] Example classes needed > > > > =20 > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > Juergen, > > > > =20 > > > > > Anyway, ContextL > > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at > > > th > > e > > > > end > > > > > of this week if there aren't any ma > > jor obstacles. BTW, can everybody > > > > please > > > > >=20 > > test the current CVS contents against own applications? > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > I am updating the Step-by-ste > > p-MVC document - what will the exact name > > > of > > > > the > >=20 > > > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming 'sp > > ring-framework-1.0M1' > > > and > > > > 'spring-full-1.0M1. > > jar'. > > > > =20 > > > > Thomas > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer >=20 |
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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-08-28 17:41:25
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Juergen, I like the manifest entry and I also like jars without version numbers. Thomas > I've just added a manifest entry "Spring-Version" to our build scripts. This > means that a "spring.jar" for 1.0 M1 will include a "Spring-Version=1.0m1" > entry in its META-INF/manifest.mf file. So if you've got jar files lying > around, you can always check the exact version. With this included, I tend to > drop version numbers even more. Thanks for the idea, Rob - I just guess it's > simpler to make a manifest entry than to include an extra file. > > We all seem to agree we prefer "spring.jar" over "spring-full.jar", but are > about 50:50 regarding version numbers in the name. So let's focus on the > latter: Would anyone *mind* no version number in the name, given that it's > mentioned in the manifest file? Everyone is free to rename the files any way > he wants anyway, it's just about the shipped jars. As for me, I would mind > the full version number "1.0m1" - in the meantime, I even prefer > "spring.jar". > > To keep the fire burning, some examples for no version numbers that I know > of: Servlet, JUnit, JavaMail, Xerces, JSTL, Commons Logging, Commons DBCP, > XAPool, Hibernate, COS, GLUE, Ant, Tomcat, JBoss, Clover. Counterexamples > with version numbers in the jar name: JTA, CGLIB, BCEL, Log4J, Castor, Tyrex, > Velocity, Tapestry, Hessian, iText, MySQL JDBC driver. > > In the end, one can argue for all options. There is no obvious solution. So > we should try to settle on one option and stick with it. > > Juergen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Butler [mailto:rob...@ve...] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:34 PM > To: jürgen höller [werk3AT]; Lars Fischer > Cc: spr...@li...; tri...@tr...; > rod...@in... > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > > Hello all, > > Since spring is modular, why not break it down even further into chuncks. > > spring-common.jar ->Basic stuff that is used everywhere in spring > spring-beans.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring Beans stuff. > spring-aop.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring AOP stuff. > spring-jdbc -> contains ONLY the Spring JDBC stuff. > spring-orm.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring ORM stuff. > spring-context.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring context stuff. > spring-mvc.jar -> contains ONLY the spring MVC stuff. > > If spring-orm.jar is dependent upon spring-common.jar then the user will need > to download and include spring-common.jar in the classpath too. In this way > people can pick and choose the exact parts they want, but you don't have to > come up with a million different package combinations... i.e. no packages > that include ORM & JDBC, but not MVC. Another one that has ORM, JDBC, > context, but not MVC. Another one that has ORM, jdbc & MVC. Another one > that has ORM, JDBC, context & MVC. See where I am going with this? > People should be smart enough to take the parts they want, and to get the > dependencies they need. > > Now as far as the file name goes, why not just use a name WITHOUT the version > name in it, and then include a file (or directory) in the root of the jar > called VERSION-1.0.1 or some such thing. That way people will not need to > worry about changing build scripts to use a newer version of the jar that is > API compatible, and they can still easiliy determine what version they are > using by looking in the jar itself. the only time the jar file name should > change is if the API has LARGE changes that renders the new jar completely > incompatible with the old API. Minor changes to the API should probably not > have the jar file names changed. > > Just some ideas and my 2 cents. > > Later > Rob > > > From: jürgen höller [werk3AT] <jue...@we...> > > Date: 2003/08/28 Thu PM 12:07:42 EDT > > To: "Lars Fischer" <lar...@gm...> > > CC: <spr...@li...>, > > <tri...@tr...>, > > <rod...@in...> > > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > > > Lars, > > > > The problem is that we have multiple jar files: > > - spring-beans.jar > > - spring-aop.jar > > - spring-jdbc.jar > > - spring-orm.jar > > - spring-context.jar > > - spring-full.jar > > > > "full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it > "spring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others agree. What > does everybody think? > > > > Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind > dropping the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet style. I'm > just not a fan of very specific file names. > > > > So 2 questions: > > 1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file > > 2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) > "spring-beans.jar" > > > > In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b either, > though. > > > > Juergen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 PM > > To: jürgen höller [werk3AT] > > Cc: spr...@li...; tri...@tr...; > > rod...@in... > > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > > > > > What about spring.jar, spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full". > > > > > > > Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp > > > ring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe > > > s not need to reflect the exact detail version. I conside > > > r it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See s > > > ervlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this > > > until *tomorrow*? :-) > > > > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > > > Message----- > > > From: jürgen höller [werk3AT] > > > Sent: Mon > > > day, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM > > > To: Lars Fischer; springfr > > > ame...@li... > > > Cc: trisberg@tri > > > db.com > > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example > > > classes needed > > > > > > > > > Let's vote on this. I don't mind eith > > > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering > > > the spring-full-1.0m1 style? > > > > > > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe > > > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8 > > > .jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite en > > > ds, I guess. > > > > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nac > > > hricht----- > > > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lars.fischer@gmxp > > > ro.net] > > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18 > > > An: springframe > > > wor...@li... > > > Cc: jürgen hölle > > > r [werk3AT]; tri...@tr... > > > Betreff: Re: [Springfra > > > mework-developer] Example classes needed > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree w > > > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realiz > > > e > > > that I was using an older version. The jar-files shoul > > > d be named after > > > the version. > > > > > > > Juergen, > > > > > > > > The dr > > > awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i > > > t is M1, M2 > > > > or > > > > the release jar. > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full > > > -1.0.jar", if we > > > > stick > > > > > to the current plan. We've > > > used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g. > > > > > "spri > > > ng-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr > > > efer that > > > > way > > > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the > > > literal sense :-) The build > > > > properties > > > > > reflect th > > > is in "spring-version=1.0" and "spring-version-detail=1.0 > > > m1". > > > > > > > > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Ur > > > sprÃf¼ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > Von: trisberg@trid > > > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...] > > > > > Gesendet: Mo > > > 25.08.2003 19:21 > > > > > An: jÃf¼rgen hÃf¶ller [werk3A > > > T] > > > > > Cc: Lars Fischer; springframework-developer@l > > > ists.sourceforge.net > > > > > Betreff: RE: [Springframewo > > > rk-developer] Example classes needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juergen, > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, ContextL > > > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at > > > > th > > > e > > > > > end > > > > > > of this week if there aren't any ma > > > jor obstacles. BTW, can everybody > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > test the current CVS contents against own applications? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am updating the Step-by-ste > > > p-MVC document - what will the exact name > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming 'sp > > > ring-framework-1.0M1' > > > > and > > > > > 'spring-full-1.0M1. > > > jar'. > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
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From: Rob B. <rob...@ve...> - 2003-08-28 17:54:49
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What about the other idea of splitting spring up into its "component" pie= ces so that users can pick and choose the parts they want? Later Rob > = > From: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] <jue...@we...> > Date: 2003/08/28 Thu PM 01:19:26 EDT > To: "Rob Butler" <rob...@ve...>, = > "Lars Fischer" <lar...@gm...> > CC: <spr...@li...>, = > <tri...@tr...>, = > <rod...@in...> > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > = > I've just added a manifest entry "Spring-Version" to our build scripts.= This means that a "spring.jar" for 1.0 M1 will include a "Spring-Version= =3D1.0m1" entry in its META-INF/manifest.mf file. So if you've got jar fi= les lying around, you can always check the exact version. With this inclu= ded, I tend to drop version numbers even more. Thanks for the idea, Rob -= I just guess it's simpler to make a manifest entry than to include an ex= tra file. > = > We all seem to agree we prefer "spring.jar" over "spring-full.jar", but= are about 50:50 regarding version numbers in the name. So let's focus on= the latter: Would anyone *mind* no version number in the name, given tha= t it's mentioned in the manifest file? Everyone is free to rename the fil= es any way he wants anyway, it's just about the shipped jars. As for me, = I would mind the full version number "1.0m1" - in the meantime, I even pr= efer "spring.jar". > = > To keep the fire burning, some examples for no version numbers that I k= now of: Servlet, JUnit, JavaMail, Xerces, JSTL, Commons Logging, Commons = DBCP, XAPool, Hibernate, COS, GLUE, Ant, Tomcat, JBoss, Clover. Counterex= amples with version numbers in the jar name: JTA, CGLIB, BCEL, Log4J, Cas= tor, Tyrex, Velocity, Tapestry, Hessian, iText, MySQL JDBC driver. > = > In the end, one can argue for all options. There is no obvious solution= =2E So we should try to settle on one option and stick with it. > = > Juergen > = > = > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Butler [mailto:rob...@ve...] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:34 PM > To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]; Lars Fischer > Cc: spr...@li...; tri...@tr...= ; > rod...@in... > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > = > = > Hello all, > = > Since spring is modular, why not break it down even further into chunck= s. > = > spring-common.jar ->Basic stuff that is used everywhere in spring > spring-beans.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring Beans stuff. > spring-aop.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring AOP stuff. > spring-jdbc -> contains ONLY the Spring JDBC stuff. > spring-orm.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring ORM stuff. > spring-context.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring context stuff. > spring-mvc.jar -> contains ONLY the spring MVC stuff. > = > If spring-orm.jar is dependent upon spring-common.jar then the user wil= l need to download and include spring-common.jar in the classpath too. I= n this way people can pick and choose the exact parts they want, but you = don't have to come up with a million different package combinations... i= =2Ee. no packages that include ORM & JDBC, but not MVC. Another one that= has ORM, JDBC, context, but not MVC. Another one that has ORM, jdbc & M= VC. Another one that has ORM, JDBC, context & MVC. See where I am going= with this? > People should be smart enough to take the parts they want, and to get t= he dependencies they need. > = > Now as far as the file name goes, why not just use a name WITHOUT the v= ersion name in it, and then include a file (or directory) in the root of = the jar called VERSION-1.0.1 or some such thing. That way people will no= t need to worry about changing build scripts to use a newer version of th= e jar that is API compatible, and they can still easiliy determine what v= ersion they are using by looking in the jar itself. the only time the ja= r file name should change is if the API has LARGE changes that renders th= e new jar completely incompatible with the old API. Minor changes to the= API should probably not have the jar file names changed. > = > Just some ideas and my 2 cents. > = > Later > Rob > = > > From: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] <jue...@we...> > > Date: 2003/08/28 Thu PM 12:07:42 EDT > > To: "Lars Fischer" <lar...@gm...> > > CC: <spr...@li...>, = > > <tri...@tr...>, = > > <rod...@in...> > > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > = > > Lars, > > = > > The problem is that we have multiple jar files: > > - spring-beans.jar > > - spring-aop.jar > > - spring-jdbc.jar > > - spring-orm.jar > > - spring-context.jar > > - spring-full.jar > > = > > "full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it "sp= ring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others agree. Wha= t does everybody think? > > = > > Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind d= ropping the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet style. I'= m just not a fan of very specific file names. > > = > > So 2 questions: > > 1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file > > 2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) "spri= ng-beans.jar" > > = > > In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b e= ither, though. > > = > > Juergen > > = > > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 PM > > To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] > > Cc: spr...@li...; trisberg@tridb.c= om; > > rod...@in... > > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > > = > > = > > What about spring.jar, spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full". > > = > > = > > > Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp > > > ring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe > > > s not need to reflect the exact detail version. I conside > > > r it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See s > > > ervlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this = > > > until *tomorrow*? :-) > > > = > > > Juergen > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > -----Original = > > > Message----- > > > From: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT] = > > > Sent: Mon > > > day, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM > > > To: Lars Fischer; springfr > > > ame...@li... > > > Cc: trisberg@tri > > > db.com > > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example = > > > classes needed > > > = > > > = > > > Let's vote on this. I don't mind eith > > > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering = > > > the spring-full-1.0m1 style? > > > = > > > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe > > > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8 > > > .jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite en > > > ds, I guess. > > > = > > > Juergen > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nac > > > hricht----- = > > > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lars.fischer@gmxp > > > ro.net] = > > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18 = > > > An: springframe > > > wor...@li... = > > > Cc: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6lle > > > r [werk3AT]; tri...@tr... = > > > Betreff: Re: [Springfra > > > mework-developer] Example classes needed > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > I agree w > > > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realiz > > > e > > > that I was using an older version. The jar-files shoul > > > d be named after > > > the version. > > > = > > > > Juergen, > > > > > > > > The dr > > > awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i > > > t is M1, M2 > > > > or > > > > the release jar. > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > = > > > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full > > > -1.0.jar", if we > > > > stick > > > > > to the current plan. We've > > > used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g. > > > > > "spri > > > ng-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr > > > efer that > > > > way > > > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the = > > > literal sense :-) The build > > > > properties > > > > > reflect th > > > is in "spring-version=3D1.0" and "spring-version-detail=3D1.0 > > > m1". > > > > > = > > > > > Juergen > > > > > = > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > -----Ur > > > spr=C3f=C2=BCngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > Von: trisberg@trid > > > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...] > > > > > Gesendet: Mo = > > > 25.08.2003 19:21 > > > > > An: j=C3f=C2=BCrgen h=C3f=C2=B6ller [werk3A > > > T] > > > > > Cc: Lars Fischer; springframework-developer@l > > > ists.sourceforge.net > > > > > Betreff: RE: [Springframewo > > > rk-developer] Example classes needed > > > > > = > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juergen, > > > > > = > > > > > > Anyway, ContextL > > > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at > > > > th > > > e > > > > > end > > > > > > of this week if there aren't any ma > > > jor obstacles. BTW, can everybody > > > > > please > > > > > > = > > > test the current CVS contents against own applications? > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > > > I am updating the Step-by-ste > > > p-MVC document - what will the exact name > > > > of > > > > > the > > > = > > > > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming 'sp > > > ring-framework-1.0M1' > > > > and > > > > > 'spring-full-1.0M1. > > > jar'. > > > > > = > > > > > Thomas > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > = > > > = > > = > > = > > = > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-develope= r > > = > = > = |
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From: <jue...@we...> - 2003-08-29 12:08:22
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Countdown to 1.0 M1... It's "spring" instead of "spring-full", and jar = files with manifest entries but no version numbers in the names if there = aren't any serious objections in the next few hours...=20 Thomas, I've just seen that you already adapted the file names in the = MVC tutorial to "spring.jar". If there should be any change of mind this = afternoon, I'll care for the proper name in the tutorial. Juergen -----Original Message----- From: tri...@tr... [mailto:tri...@tr...] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:41 PM To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] Cc: spr...@li... Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed Juergen, I like the manifest entry and I also like jars without version numbers. Thomas > I've just added a manifest entry "Spring-Version" to our build = scripts. This > means that a "spring.jar" for 1.0 M1 will include a = "Spring-Version=3D1.0m1" > entry in its META-INF/manifest.mf file. So if you've got jar files = lying > around, you can always check the exact version. With this included, I = tend to > drop version numbers even more. Thanks for the idea, Rob - I just = guess it's > simpler to make a manifest entry than to include an extra file. >=20 > We all seem to agree we prefer "spring.jar" over "spring-full.jar", = but are > about 50:50 regarding version numbers in the name. So let's focus on = the > latter: Would anyone *mind* no version number in the name, given that = it's > mentioned in the manifest file? Everyone is free to rename the files = any way > he wants anyway, it's just about the shipped jars. As for me, I would = mind > the full version number "1.0m1" - in the meantime, I even prefer > "spring.jar". >=20 > To keep the fire burning, some examples for no version numbers that I = know > of: Servlet, JUnit, JavaMail, Xerces, JSTL, Commons Logging, Commons = DBCP, > XAPool, Hibernate, COS, GLUE, Ant, Tomcat, JBoss, Clover. = Counterexamples > with version numbers in the jar name: JTA, CGLIB, BCEL, Log4J, Castor, = Tyrex, > Velocity, Tapestry, Hessian, iText, MySQL JDBC driver. >=20 > In the end, one can argue for all options. There is no obvious = solution. So > we should try to settle on one option and stick with it. >=20 > Juergen >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Butler [mailto:rob...@ve...] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:34 PM > To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]; Lars Fischer > Cc: spr...@li...; = tri...@tr...; > rod...@in... > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed >=20 >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > Since spring is modular, why not break it down even further into = chuncks. >=20 > spring-common.jar ->Basic stuff that is used everywhere in spring > spring-beans.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring Beans stuff. > spring-aop.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring AOP stuff. > spring-jdbc -> contains ONLY the Spring JDBC stuff. > spring-orm.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring ORM stuff. > spring-context.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring context stuff. > spring-mvc.jar -> contains ONLY the spring MVC stuff. >=20 > If spring-orm.jar is dependent upon spring-common.jar then the user = will need > to download and include spring-common.jar in the classpath too. In = this way > people can pick and choose the exact parts they want, but you don't = have to > come up with a million different package combinations... i.e. no = packages > that include ORM & JDBC, but not MVC. Another one that has ORM, JDBC, > context, but not MVC. Another one that has ORM, jdbc & MVC. Another = one > that has ORM, JDBC, context & MVC. See where I am going with this? > People should be smart enough to take the parts they want, and to get = the > dependencies they need. >=20 > Now as far as the file name goes, why not just use a name WITHOUT the = version > name in it, and then include a file (or directory) in the root of the = jar > called VERSION-1.0.1 or some such thing. That way people will not = need to > worry about changing build scripts to use a newer version of the jar = that is > API compatible, and they can still easiliy determine what version they = are > using by looking in the jar itself. the only time the jar file name = should > change is if the API has LARGE changes that renders the new jar = completely > incompatible with the old API. Minor changes to the API should = probably not > have the jar file names changed. >=20 > Just some ideas and my 2 cents. >=20 > Later > Rob >=20 > > From: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] <jue...@we...> > > Date: 2003/08/28 Thu PM 12:07:42 EDT > > To: "Lars Fischer" <lar...@gm...> > > CC: <spr...@li...>,=20 > > <tri...@tr...>,=20 > > <rod...@in...> > > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > >=20 > > Lars, > >=20 > > The problem is that we have multiple jar files: > > - spring-beans.jar > > - spring-aop.jar > > - spring-jdbc.jar > > - spring-orm.jar > > - spring-context.jar > > - spring-full.jar > >=20 > > "full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it > "spring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others = agree. What > does everybody think? > >=20 > > Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind > dropping the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet = style. I'm > just not a fan of very specific file names. > >=20 > > So 2 questions: > > 1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file > > 2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) > "spring-beans.jar" > >=20 > > In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b = either, > though. > >=20 > > Juergen > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 PM > > To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] > > Cc: spr...@li...; = tri...@tr...; > > rod...@in... > > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed > >=20 > >=20 > > What about spring.jar, spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full". > >=20 > >=20 > > > Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp > > > ring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe > > > s not need to reflect the exact detail version. I conside > > > r it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See s > > > ervlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this=20 > > > until *tomorrow*? :-) > > > =20 > > > Juergen > > > =20 > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > -----Original=20 > > > Message----- > > > From: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT]=20 > > > Sent: Mon > > > day, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM > > > To: Lars Fischer; springfr > > > ame...@li... > > > Cc: trisberg@tri > > > db.com > > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example=20 > > > classes needed > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Let's vote on this. I don't mind eith > > > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering=20 > > > the spring-full-1.0m1 style? > > > =20 > > > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe > > > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8 > > > .jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite en > > > ds, I guess. > > > =20 > > > Juergen > > > =20 > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nac > > > hricht-----=20 > > > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lars.fischer@gmxp > > > ro.net]=20 > > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18=20 > > > An: springframe > > > wor...@li...=20 > > > Cc: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6lle > > > r [werk3AT]; tri...@tr...=20 > > > Betreff: Re: [Springfra > > > mework-developer] Example classes needed > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > I agree w > > > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realiz > > > e > > > that I was using an older version. The jar-files shoul > > > d be named after > > > the version. > > >=20 > > > > Juergen, > > > > > > > > The dr > > > awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i > > > t is M1, M2 > > > > or > > > > the release jar. > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full > > > -1.0.jar", if we > > > > stick > > > > > to the current plan. We've > > > used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g. > > > > > "spri > > > ng-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr > > > efer that > > > > way > > > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the=20 > > > literal sense :-) The build > > > > properties > > > > > reflect th > > > is in "spring-version=3D1.0" and "spring-version-detail=3D1.0 > > > m1". > > > > >=20 > > > > > Juergen > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > -----Ur > > > spr=C3f=C2=BCngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > Von: trisberg@trid > > > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...] > > > > > Gesendet: Mo=20 > > > 25.08.2003 19:21 > > > > > An: j=C3f=C2=BCrgen h=C3f=C2=B6ller [werk3A > > > T] > > > > > Cc: Lars Fischer; springframework-developer@l > > > ists.sourceforge.net > > > > > Betreff: RE: [Springframewo > > > rk-developer] Example classes needed > > > > > =20 > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juergen, > > > > > =20 > > > > > > Anyway, ContextL > > > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at > > > > th > > > e > > > > > end > > > > > > of this week if there aren't any ma > > > jor obstacles. BTW, can everybody > > > > > please > > > > > >=20 > > > test the current CVS contents against own applications? > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > I am updating the Step-by-ste > > > p-MVC document - what will the exact name > > > > of > > > > > the > > >=20 > > > > > directory and the jar file be? I'm assuming 'sp > > > ring-framework-1.0M1' > > > > and > > > > > 'spring-full-1.0M1. > > > jar'. > > > > > =20 > > > > > Thomas > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > = https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer >=20 |
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From: Lars F. <lar...@gm...> - 2003-08-25 22:41:27
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Thomas,
unfortunately I've deleted the working petclinic.war yesterday and was not
able to
reproduce it but I'll try to look into the logs.
I've deployed the application with the following options in web.xml:
<listener>
<listener-class>com.interface21.web.context.ContextLoaderListener</listener-class>
</listener>
<servlet>
<servlet-name>cwxRootContext</servlet-name>
<servlet-class>com.interface21.web.context.ContextLoaderServlet</servlet-class>
<load-on-startup>1</load-on-startup>
</servlet>
<servlet>
<servlet-name>cwx</servlet-name>
<servlet-class>com.interface21.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet</servlet-class>
<load-on-startup>2</load-on-startup>
</servlet>
Attached is the output from WebLogic and TomCat (TomCat works without
problems).
WebLogic complains about not finding the requested class in the classpath.
Hope this helps
Lars
> Lars,
>
> Loading ContextLoaderServlet as a servlet with load-on-startup set to 1
> and
> loading DispatcherServlet with load-on-startup set to 2 works for me on
> WebLogic
> 8.1 SP1. If it does not work, could you send me the web.xml and your log
> output?
>
> Also, I get the same errors deploying the Petclinic, so it does not work
> for me.
> Can you send me the petclinic war file that works with WebLogic 8.1 SP1
> so I
> can try it on my server?
>
> Thomas
>
>
> > Thomas,
> >
> > thanks for the suggestion. Tried it but it doesn't work.
> >
> > This is a serious one:
> >
> > Tested my app with Tomcat 4.1.24 and it works.
> >
> > I does NOT work with
> >
> > WebLogic 8.1 SP1, WebLogic Express SP1, WebLogic 7.0 SP3.
> >
> > What makes me wonder is that Petclinic works with WebLogic 8.1 SP1.
> >
> > Regards
> > Lars
> >
> > > Lars,
> > >
> > > I have looked into this a little bit more. What happens is that
> > > ServletContextListener.contextInitialized() method is called _after_
> the
> > > HttpServlet.init() method is called on servlets specified with
> <load-on-
> > > startup>. This causes the xxx-servlet.xml to be loaded before the
> > > applicationContext.xml is loaded, so that is why you can't reference
> > > the 'cwxDao' bean. This behavior is the opposite of what I see for
> > > Tomcat,
> > > and I'm sure the same is true for Orion and Resin that Juergen is
> using.
> > > I
> > > looked in the Servlet 2.3 specification, but I did not see anything
> > > specifying
> > > which order these methods should be called in. Maybe Juergen or Rod
> can
> > > shed
> > > some more light on this issue.
> > >
> > > You should be able to use the ContextLoaderServlet for now.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > > > Lars,
> > > >
> > > > This might be a WebLogic specific issue - I just saw similar error
> when
> > > I
> > > > deployed my app in WebLogic 8.1.
> > > >
> > > > I will try to research this in more detail later on today or
> tomorrow.
> > > In
> > > > the
> > > > meantime try this in your web.xml
> > > >
> > > > <servlet>
> > > > <servlet-name>cwxRootContext</servlet-name>
> > > >
> > >
> <servlet-class>com.interface21.web.context.ContextLoaderServlet</servlet-
> > > class>
> > > > <load-on-startup>1</load-on-startup>
> > > > </servlet>
> > > >
> > > > <servlet>
> > > > <servlet-name>cwx</servlet-name>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
<servlet-class>com.interface21.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet</servlet-class>
> > > > <load-on-startup>2</load-on-startup>
> > > > </servlet>
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thomas,
> > > > >
> > > > > attached is the web.xml.
> > > > >
> > > > > Without the ContextLoaderListener nothing would happen, not even
> > > > > the Hibernate stuff in applicationContext.xml.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Lars
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lars,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You did not include your web.xml, but my guess is you need to
> add a
> > > > > > ContextLoaderListener. The application context has to be loaded
> > > first,
> > > > > > and the
> > > > > > error messages indicates that the bean 'cwxDao' can't be found,
> so
> > > it
> > > > > > looks like
> > > > > > that did not happen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > web.xml:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <web-app>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <!--
> > > > > > - Loads the root application context of this web app at
> startup,
> > > > > > - by default from "/WEB-INF/applicationContext.xml".
> > > > > > -->
> > > > > > <listener>
> > > > > > <listener-class>
> > > > > > com.interface21.web.context.ContextLoaderListener
> > > > > > </listener-class>
> > > > > > </listener>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <!-- more definitions -->
> > > > > >
> > > > > > </web-app>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all Spring experts,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > can anyone provide me the example classes mentioned in several
> > > > skeletons
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (e.g. exampleController, exampleBusinessObject,
> > > > exampleDataAccessObject)
> > > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The two provided sample applications don't reflect the
> skeletons
> > > very
> > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > There should be one 'big' application showing all the stuff
> and
> > > many
> > > > > > small
> > > > > > > ones to show single options (like in WebWork 1).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've defined the following in applicationContext.xml (and it
> > > works):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <bean id="cwxDao" class="example.dao.CwxDaoHibernate">
> > > > > > > <property name="sessionFactory"><ref
> > > > > > bean="cwxSessionFactory"/></property>
> > > > > > > </bean>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When defining
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (cwx-servlet.xml)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <!-- Controller for the initial "Hello" page -->
> > > > > > > <bean id="cwxController" class="example.web.CwxController">
> > > > > > > <property name="cwxDao"><ref external="cwxDao"/></property>
> > > > > > > </bean>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (CwxController)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > private CwxDao cwxDao;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > public void setCwxDao(CwxDao cwxDao) {
> > > > > > > this.cwxDao = cwxDao;
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I always get
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ERROR [com.interface21.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet] -
> <Servlet
> > > with
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > 'cwx' : initialization error>
> > > > > > > com.interface21.beans.factory.NoSuchBeanDefinitionException:
> No
> > > bean
> > > > > > named
> > > > > > > [cwxDao] is defined {class
> > > > > > com.interface21.beans.factory.xml.XmlBeanFactory:
> > > > > > > defined beans
> > > [messageSource,viewResolver,urlMapping,cwxController]}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is the second time I get almost useless error messages.
> This
> > > is
> > > > one
> > > > > > > point where EJBs are far ahead (
> > > > > > > there is almost always an error message telling you what
> excactly
> > > is
> > > > > > > wrong).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another (dumb) question:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is the difference between a DAO *implementation* and a
> > > business
> > > > > > object
> > > > > > > and where does
> > > > > > > e. g. Petclinic reflect this ? I'm asking this because of the
> > > > diiference
> > > > > > > between the skeletons and the
> > > > > > > sample applications. The skeletons provide a DAO and a
> Business
> > > Object
> > > > > > using
> > > > > > > the DAO definition,
> > > > > > > Petclinic does not. The samples should be as close as possible
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > skeletons or the skeletons should
> > > > > > > at least provide the java classes (shouldn't be too hard).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > > > Lars
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From: Lars F. <lar...@gm...> - 2003-08-29 18:14:45
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Jürgen,
look at the date of this mail (August 25), it's outdated !
There were some problems with the mailing lists at SF.
Thanks
Lars
> Lars,
>
> That seems to be because your Spring version do
> esn't contain a ContextLoaderServlet class, as we've intr
> oduced that after 0.9.1. As I'm in the process of releasi
> ng 1.0 M1 tonight, I suggest waiting for that release and
> migrating to it.
>
> 1.0 M1 contains ContextLoaderServle
> t among many other improvements. You'll just need to rena
> me all com.interface21 references to org.springframework
> then, both in your code and your XML application context
> files, as we've finally switched package names.
>
> Juerg
> en
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: L
> ars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...]
> Gesendet:
> Mo 25.08.2003 11:09
> An: tri...@tr...
> Cc: spr
> ing...@li...
> Betreff:
> Re: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed
>
>
>
>
> Thomas,
>
> unfortunately I've deleted the worki
> ng petclinic.war yesterday and was not
> able to
> reprod
> uce it but I'll try to look into the logs.
>
> I've depl
> oyed the application with the following options in web.xm
> l:
>
> <listener>
>
> <listener-class>com.interface2
> 1.web.context.ContextLoaderListener</listener-class>
>
> </listener>
>
> <servlet>
> <servlet-name>cwxRootC
> ontext</servlet-name>
>
> <servlet-class>com.interface
> 21.web.context.ContextLoaderServlet</servlet-class>
>
> <load-on-startup>1</load-on-startup>
> </servlet>
>
> <servlet>
> <servlet-name>cwx</servlet-name>
>
>
> <servlet-class>com.interface21.web.servlet.DispatcherSe
> rvlet</servlet-class>
> <load-on-startup>2</load-on-s
> tartup>
> </servlet>
>
> Attached is the output from W
> ebLogic and TomCat (TomCat works without
> problems).
>
>
> WebLogic complains about not finding the requested clas
> s in the classpath.
>
> Hope this helps
> Lars
>
> > La
> rs,
> >
> > Loading ContextLoaderServlet as a servlet wit
> h load-on-startup set to 1
> > and
> > loading Dispatcher
> Servlet with load-on-startup set to 2 works for me on
> >
> WebLogic
> > 8.1 SP1. If it does not work, could you se
> nd me the web.xml and your log
> > output?
> >
> > Also,
> I get the same errors deploying the Petclinic, so it does
> not work
> > for me.
> > Can you send me the petclinic
> war file that works with WebLogic 8.1 SP1
> > so I
> > ca
> n try it on my server?
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > > Thoma
> s,
> > >
> > > thanks for the suggestion. Tried it but it
> doesn't work.
> > >
> > > This is a serious one:
> > >
> > > Tested my app with Tomcat 4.1.24 and it works.
> > >
>
> > > I does NOT work with
> > >
> > > WebLogic 8.1 SP1,
> WebLogic Express SP1, WebLogic 7.0 SP3.
> > >
> > > What
> makes me wonder is that Petclinic works with WebLogic 8.
> 1 SP1.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Lars
> > >
> > > > Lars,
>
> > > >
> > > > I have looked into this a little bit mor
> e. What happens is that
> > > > ServletContextListener.c
> ontextInitialized() method is called _after_
> > the
> >
> > > HttpServlet.init() method is called on servlets spec
> ified with
> > <load-on-
> > > > startup>. This causes t
> he xxx-servlet.xml to be loaded before the
> > > > applic
> ationContext.xml is loaded, so that is why you can't refe
> rence
> > > > the 'cwxDao' bean. This behavior is the op
> posite of what I see for
> > > > Tomcat,
> > > > and I'm
> sure the same is true for Orion and Resin that Juergen is
>
> > using.
> > > > I
> > > > looked in the Servlet 2.3 s
> pecification, but I did not see anything
> > > > specifyi
> ng
> > > > which order these methods should be called in.
> Maybe Juergen or Rod
> > can
> > > > shed
> > > > some
> more light on this issue.
> > > >
> > > > You should be
> able to use the ContextLoaderServlet for now.
> > > >
> >
> > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Lars,
> > > > >
> >
> > > > This might be a WebLogic specific issue - I just s
> aw similar error
> > when
> > > > I
> > > > > deployed my
> app in WebLogic 8.1.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will try to r
> esearch this in more detail later on today or
> > tomorro
> w.
> > > > In
> > > > > the
> > > > > meantime try this i
> n your web.xml
> > > > >
> > > > > <servlet>
> > > > > <s
> ervlet-name>cwxRootContext</servlet-name>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> > <servlet-class>com.interface21.web.context.Context
> LoaderServlet</servlet-
> > > > class>
> > > > > <load-on
> -startup>1</load-on-startup>
> > > > > </servlet>
> > > >
> >
> > > > > <servlet>
> > > > > <servlet-name>cwx</servl
> et-name>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> <servlet-class>com
> .interface21.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet</servlet-class
> >
> > > > > <load-on-startup>2</load-on-startup>
> > > >
> > </servlet>
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> attached is the web.xml.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Without
> the ContextLoaderListener nothing would happen, not even
>
> > > > > > the Hibernate stuff in applicationContext.xml
> .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Lars
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > Lars,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You
> did not include your web.xml, but my guess is you need to
>
> > add a
> > > > > > > ContextLoaderListener. The appl
> ication context has to be loaded
> > > > first,
> > > > >
> > > and the
> > > > > > > error messages indicates that
> the bean 'cwxDao' can't be found,
> > so
> > > > it
> > >
> > > > > looks like
> > > > > > > that did not happen.
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > web.xml:
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > <web-app>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <!--
> > >
> > > > > - Loads the root application context of this we
> b app at
> > startup,
> > > > > > > - by default from "
> /WEB-INF/applicationContext.xml".
> > > > > > > -->
> >
> > > > > > <listener>
> > > > > > > <listener-
> class>
> > > > > > > com.interface21.web.context.Co
> ntextLoaderListener
> > > > > > > </listener-class>
> > > > > > > </listener>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> <!-- more definitions -->
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > </
> web-app>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope t
> his helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thomas
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all Spr
> ing experts,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > can anyone p
> rovide me the example classes mentioned in several
> > >
> > > skeletons
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (e.g. example
> Controller, exampleBusinessObject,
> > > > > exampleDataA
> ccessObject)
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > The two provided sample applications don't reflect th
> e
> > skeletons
> > > > very
> > > > > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > > There should be one 'big' application showing all
> the stuff
> > and
> > > > many
> > > > > > > small
> > >
> > > > > > ones to show single options (like in WebWork 1
> ).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've defined the follo
> wing in applicationContext.xml (and it
> > > > works):
>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <bean id="cwxDao" class="ex
> ample.dao.CwxDaoHibernate">
> > > > > > > > <property n
> ame="sessionFactory"><ref
> > > > > > > bean="cwxSessionF
> actory"/></property>
> > > > > > > > </bean>
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > When defining
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > (cwx-servlet.xml)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > <!-- Controller for the initial "Hello" page -->
> > >
> > > > > > <bean id="cwxController" class="example.web.Cw
> xController">
> > > > > > > > <property name="cwxDao"><
> ref external="cwxDao"/></property>
> > > > > > > > </bean
> >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (CwxController)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > private CwxDao cwxDao;
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > public void setCwxDao(CwxDao cwxD
> ao) {
> > > > > > > > this.cwxDao = cwxDao;
> > > > >
> > > > }
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> I always get
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ERROR [com.
> interface21.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet] -
> > <Servlet
>
> > > > with
> > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > 'cwx' :
> initialization error>
> > > > > > > > com.interface21.bea
> ns.factory.NoSuchBeanDefinitionException:
> > No
> > > >
> bean
> > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > [cwxDao] is defi
> ned {class
> > > > > > > com.interface21.beans.factory.xm
> l.XmlBeanFactory:
> > > > > > > > defined beans
> > > > [
> messageSource,viewResolver,urlMapping,cwxController]}
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is the second time I ge
> t almost useless error messages.
> > This
> > > > is
> >
> > > > one
> > > > > > > > point where EJBs are far ahead
> (
> > > > > > > > there is almost always an error message
> telling you what
> > excactly
> > > > is
> > > > > > > >
> wrong).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another (dumb) q
> uestion:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What is the diff
> erence between a DAO *implementation* and a
> > > > busin
> ess
> > > > > > > object
> > > > > > > > and where does
> > > > > > > > e. g. Petclinic reflect this ? I'm asking
> this because of the
> > > > > diiference
> > > > > > > >
> between the skeletons and the
> > > > > > > > sample appl
> ications. The skeletons provide a DAO and a
> > Business
>
> > > > Object
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > the DA
> O definition,
> > > > > > > > Petclinic does not. The sam
> ples should be as close as possible
> > to
> > > > the
>
> > > > > > > > skeletons or the skeletons should
> > > > >
> > > > at least provide the java classes (shouldn't be to
> o hard).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks in advanc
> e
> > > > > > > > Lars
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
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