RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed

[<jue...@we...>]

I've just added a manifest entry "Spring-Version" to our build scripts. =
This means that a "spring.jar" for 1.0 M1 will include a =
"Spring-Version=3D1.0m1" entry in its META-INF/manifest.mf file. So if =
you've got jar files lying around, you can always check the exact =
version. With this included, I tend to drop version numbers even more. =
Thanks for the idea, Rob - I just guess it's simpler to make a manifest =
entry than to include an extra file.

We all seem to agree we prefer "spring.jar" over "spring-full.jar", but =
are about 50:50 regarding version numbers in the name. So let's focus on =
the latter: Would anyone *mind* no version number in the name, given =
that it's mentioned in the manifest file? Everyone is free to rename the =
files any way he wants anyway, it's just about the shipped jars. As for =
me, I would mind the full version number "1.0m1" - in the meantime, I =
even prefer "spring.jar".

To keep the fire burning, some examples for no version numbers that I =
know of: Servlet, JUnit, JavaMail, Xerces, JSTL, Commons Logging, =
Commons DBCP, XAPool, Hibernate, COS, GLUE, Ant, Tomcat, JBoss, Clover. =
Counterexamples with version numbers in the jar name: JTA, CGLIB, BCEL, =
Log4J, Castor, Tyrex, Velocity, Tapestry, Hessian, iText, MySQL JDBC =
driver.

In the end, one can argue for all options. There is no obvious solution. =
So we should try to settle on one option and stick with it.

Juergen


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Butler [mailto:rob...@ve...]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:34 PM
To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]; Lars Fischer
Cc: spr...@li...; tri...@tr...;
rod...@in...
Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed


Hello all,

Since spring is modular, why not break it down even further into =
chuncks.

spring-common.jar ->Basic stuff that is used everywhere in spring
spring-beans.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring Beans stuff.
spring-aop.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring AOP stuff.
spring-jdbc -> contains ONLY the Spring JDBC stuff.
spring-orm.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring ORM stuff.
spring-context.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring context stuff.
spring-mvc.jar -> contains ONLY the spring MVC stuff.

If spring-orm.jar is dependent upon spring-common.jar then the user will =
need to download and include spring-common.jar in the classpath too.  In =
this way people can pick and choose the exact parts they want, but you =
don't have to come up with a million different package combinations...  =
i.e. no packages that include ORM & JDBC, but not MVC.  Another one that =
has ORM, JDBC, context, but not MVC.  Another one that has ORM, jdbc & =
MVC.  Another one that has ORM, JDBC, context & MVC.  See where I am =
going with this?
People should be smart enough to take the parts they want, and to get =
the dependencies they need.

Now as far as the file name goes, why not just use a name WITHOUT the =
version name in it, and then include a file (or directory) in the root =
of the jar called VERSION-1.0.1 or some such thing.  That way people =
will not need to worry about changing build scripts to use a newer =
version of the jar that is API compatible, and they can still easiliy =
determine what version they are using by looking in the jar itself.  the =
only time the jar file name should change is if the API has LARGE =
changes that renders the new jar completely incompatible with the old =
API.  Minor changes to the API should probably not have the jar file =
names changed.

Just some ideas and my 2 cents.

Later
Rob

> From: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] <jue...@we...>
> Date: 2003/08/28 Thu PM 12:07:42 EDT
> To: "Lars Fischer" <lar...@gm...>
> CC: <spr...@li...>,=20
> 	<tri...@tr...>,=20
> 	<rod...@in...>
> Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed
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> Lars,
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> The problem is that we have multiple jar files:
> - spring-beans.jar
> - spring-aop.jar
> - spring-jdbc.jar
> - spring-orm.jar
> - spring-context.jar
> - spring-full.jar
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> "full" indicates that it includes all of Spring. We could name it =
"spring.jar" of course, I'm quite inclined towards this if others agree. =
What does everybody think?
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> Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numbering: I wouldn't mind =
dropping the version number altogether, in Hibernate/Ant/Servlet style. =
I'm just not a fan of very specific file names.
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> So 2 questions:
> 1. a) "spring-full.jar" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file
> 2. a) "spring-beans-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c) =
"spring-beans.jar"
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> In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mind 1a or 2b =
either, though.
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> Juergen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Fischer [mailto:lar...@gm...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 PM
> To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]
> Cc: spr...@li...; =
tri...@tr...;
> rod...@in...
> Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed
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> What about spring.jar, spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full".
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> > Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp
> > ring-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe
> > s not need to reflect the exact detail version. I conside
> > r it fine enough if it indicates the major version. See s
> > ervlet.jar, hibernate2.jar. Can we please decide on this=20
> > until *tomorrow*? :-)
> > =20
> > Juergen
> > =20
> > =20
> >=20
> > -----Original=20
> > Message-----
> > From: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT]=20
> > Sent: Mon
> > day, August 25, 2003 11:50 PM
> > To: Lars Fischer; springfr
> > ame...@li...
> > Cc: trisberg@tri
> > db.com
> > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example=20
> > classes needed
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> > Let's vote on this. I don't mind eith
> > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody else prefering=20
> > the spring-full-1.0m1 style?
> > =20
> > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe
> > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tree. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8
> > .jar for the specific version. 2 examples for opposite en
> > ds, I guess.
> > =20
> > Juergen
> > =20
> > =20
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> > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nac
> > hricht-----=20
> > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:lars.fischer@gmxp
> > ro.net]=20
> > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23:18=20
> > An: springframe
> > wor...@li...=20
> > Cc: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6lle
> > r [werk3AT]; tri...@tr...=20
> > Betreff: Re: [Springfra
> > mework-developer] Example classes needed
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> >=20
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> > I agree w
> > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I didn't realiz
> > e
> > that I was using an older version. The jar-files shoul
> > d be named after
> > the version.
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> > > Juergen,
> > >
> > > The dr
> > awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i
> > t is M1, M2
> > > or
> > > the release jar.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >=20
> > > It's gonna be "spring-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full
> > -1.0.jar", if we
> > > stick
> > > > to the current plan. We've
> >  used the same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g.
> > > > "spri
> > ng-framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr
> > efer that
> > > way
> > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the=20
> > literal sense :-) The build
> > > properties
> > > > reflect th
> > is in "spring-version=3D1.0" and "spring-version-detail=3D1.0
> > m1".
> > > >=20
> > > > Juergen
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > > >     -----Ur
> > spr=C3f=C2=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> > > >     Von: trisberg@trid
> > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...]
> > > >     Gesendet: Mo=20
> > 25.08.2003 19:21
> > > >     An: j=C3f=C2=BCrgen h=C3f=C2=B6ller [werk3A
> > T]
> > > >     Cc: Lars Fischer; springframework-developer@l
> > ists.sourceforge.net
> > > >     Betreff: RE: [Springframewo
> > rk-developer] Example classes needed
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> >  >
> > > >     Juergen,
> > > >   =20
> > > >     > Anyway, ContextL
> > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be released at
> > > th
> > e
> > > > end
> > > >     > of this week if there aren't any ma
> > jor obstacles. BTW, can everybody
> > > > please
> > > >     >=20
> > test the current CVS contents against own applications?
> > > >     >
> > > >   =20
> > > >     I am updating the Step-by-ste
> > p-MVC document - what will the exact name
> > > of
> > > > the
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> > > >     directory and the jar file be?  I'm assuming 'sp
> > ring-framework-1.0M1'
> > > and
> > > >     'spring-full-1.0M1.
> > jar'.
> > > >   =20
> > > >     Thomas
> > > >   =20
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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