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From: Edward C. <edw...@gm...> - 2019-03-31 08:50:40
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Hello, Philip are you still out there somewhere?? I never knew that you had setup a SourceForge project for Serius89/Serius Developer/AppWare/Microbrew. Don’t laugh, after all these years I’m in touch with Ed Firmage hoping he can help us access any resources from the old days.. not holding my breath (I’ve lost ALL of my originals software and documentation). But I’ve got nothing to lose! I’ll keep you posted. Ed. |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2003-11-25 07:52:51
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A blast from the past. There are still 9 developers signed up for the Serious Project (to resurrect Serius Developer aka Visual AppBuilder aka MicroBrew). Anyone still interested? Anyone know of other projects or programs out there that come close to the Serius environment? What are people working on these days? Philip Trauring |
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From: Curtis B. <cu...@iq...> - 2001-11-18 06:37:00
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I'm still here. Tied up in a big PL/SQL project at work, no free time. Would still love to see this become a real project. On 28-Oct-2001 Edward Cox wrote: > Not yet... but maybe.. soon... hang in there. . . > > Edward Cox > Team Leader - Web Hosting > Telstra Corporation BigPond Web Hosting > Pacific Power Bldg. > Level 31 / 201 Elizabeth Street > Sydney, NSW, 2001 > > 02 9395 9040 ph > 02 9395 9041 fax > 0417 674 637 mobile > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bertheau [mailto:lin...@gm...] > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:02 AM > To: ser...@li... > Subject: Re: [Serious-discuss] Anyone left out there? > > > Me too. > Any news? > >> Still here. Would still love to help put together a new development >> platform, but can't do it alone. Who else is around? What are people >> up to these days? > > > _______________________________________________ > Serious-discuss mailing list > Ser...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/serious-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Serious-discuss mailing list > Ser...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/serious-discuss ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Curtis Bledsoe <cu...@iq...> Date: 18-Nov-2001 Time: 01:38:54 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- |
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From: Edward C. <EC...@br...> - 2001-10-28 22:10:39
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Not yet... but maybe.. soon... hang in there. . . Edward Cox Team Leader - Web Hosting Telstra Corporation BigPond Web Hosting Pacific Power Bldg. Level 31 / 201 Elizabeth Street Sydney, NSW, 2001 02 9395 9040 ph 02 9395 9041 fax 0417 674 637 mobile -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bertheau [mailto:lin...@gm...] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:02 AM To: ser...@li... Subject: Re: [Serious-discuss] Anyone left out there? Me too. Any news? > Still here. Would still love to help put together a new development > platform, but can't do it alone. Who else is around? What are people > up to these days? _______________________________________________ Serious-discuss mailing list Ser...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/serious-discuss |
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From: Martin B. <lin...@gm...> - 2001-10-26 23:02:05
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Me too. Any news? > Still here. Would still love to help put together a new development > platform, but can't do it alone. Who else is around? What are people > up to these days? |
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From: Scott C. <sc...@ne...> - 2001-10-23 15:01:39
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Still here. Haven't double-clicked MB in about a year though. > Roll Call! > > Ed Cox - present. > > Edward Cox > Team Leader - Web Hosting > Telstra Corporation BigPond Web Hosting > Pacific Power Bldg. > Level 31 / 201 Elizabeth Street > Sydney, NSW, 2001 > > 02 9395 9040 ph > 02 9395 9041 fax > 0417 674 637 mobile > > _______________________________________________ > Serious-discuss mailing list > Ser...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/serious-discuss > -- Scott G. Carpenter (sc...@ne...) Network Toolware, Inc. (770) 460-9135 www.networktoolware.com |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-10-23 04:43:17
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Still here. Would still love to help put together a new development platform, but can't do it alone. Who else is around? What are people up to these days? I'm in NYC and writing a business plan for a new company. Philip >Roll Call! > >Ed Cox - present. > >Edward Cox >Team Leader - Web Hosting >Telstra Corporation BigPond Web Hosting >Pacific Power Bldg. >Level 31 / 201 Elizabeth Street >Sydney, NSW, 2001 > >02 9395 9040 ph >02 9395 9041 fax >0417 674 637 mobile |
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From: Edward C. <EC...@br...> - 2001-10-23 04:00:42
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Roll Call! Ed Cox - present. Edward Cox Team Leader - Web Hosting Telstra Corporation BigPond Web Hosting Pacific Power Bldg. Level 31 / 201 Elizabeth Street Sydney, NSW, 2001 02 9395 9040 ph 02 9395 9041 fax 0417 674 637 mobile |
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From: <ji...@li...> - 2001-04-18 13:25:19
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Unfortunately, I've been hit with an impossible project at work. I'm making less progress on the shockwave demo than I expected. I should have more time after May 1. Sorry about the delay. Hopefully we can still keep moving in a positive direction. jim ---------------------- ji...@li... 303.333.5466 - voice 303.388.7437 - fax http://www.lineaux.com |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-04-16 22:33:44
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Jim, Any progress on this? Thanks, Philip >I have spent some time getting a shockwave demo going, but didn't end up >with much time this weekend. Still am plugging away on it and may be done >monday. > > >Just wanted to let you all know its still in the works. > > >jim > > >---------------------- >ji...@li... > >303.333.5466 - voice >303.388.7437 - fax > >http://www.lineaux.com >---------------------- |
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From: <ji...@li...> - 2001-03-14 18:50:06
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I have spent some time getting a shockwave demo going, but didn't end up with much time this weekend. Still am plugging away on it and may be done monday. Just wanted to let you all know its still in the works. jim ---------------------- ji...@li... 303.333.5466 - voice 303.388.7437 - fax http://www.lineaux.com ---------------------- |
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From: <ji...@li...> - 2001-03-14 18:42:05
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I was at barnes and noble this weekend and they had a book about "codeless programming" in java using java studio. It turns out that the product was discontinued 2 years ago, but the technology looked like an Appware/Microbrew ripoff. BIG TIME! Here is a sample chapter: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/Books/Graphics2 It looks like you can create and import beans, applets and applications. The studio runs on solaris and windows. I'm going to order a copy (we are a reseller and I see one of our distribution sources STILL has 8 copies in a memphis warehouse). Anyone else want a copy? They are $99.00. I'll try to talk our rep down (why would they want it?) The book, Java Studio by example has a 30 day demo. The book is cheap if you get it from amazon. but 40 bucks at barnes and noble (I'm returning mine for a 14.95 off of the web.) There is another book, the "java studio blue book" that buy.com has for $40. Otherwise ,the software was just not publicized well. Its obsolete software (the story of my life), unsupported (again, the story...) by might prove useful to us non-coding types that want to help. I read one review that said the tab order of text fields is not intuitive in java studio created forms. very little else out there. I'm sure this isn't a starting place for the serious project, just an item of note... Any thoughts? jim p.s. dare I even say it - "I wonder if they (insert name of big, heartless NOS vendor here) would open the source..." ---------------------- ji...@li... 303.333.5466 - voice 303.388.7437 - fax http://www.lineaux.com ---------------------- |
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From: <ji...@li...> - 2001-03-09 19:00:35
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>In any event, the original name was Serius, not Serious. That's why I >chose Serious. okay. Sounds safe. jim |
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From: Eric H. <shp...@xm...> - 2001-03-09 18:54:20
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> As an aside, did Novell also buy the rights to the name Serious when
th ey
> purchased Serious Programmer (or whatever it was called)? The
> MacOS/Windows debate shows that maybe its okay to borrow a paradigm,
but
> I'm not sure if we can borrow the name...
Serius was acquired and technically kept as a solely owned subsidiary
by Novell.
When Network Multimedia was formed I think that that was essentially
selling off the
Serius subsidiary. I remember talking with Ed about this at the time.
We could have
gone back to the Serius name, if we wanted to. Ed didn't want to.
With the bankruptcy of Network Mutlimedia, the assets went back to
Novell. Which was
primarily the code. We only had a license to it anyway.
I don't know if the trademarks and other rights went back as well.
The rights to the Serius name may still reside with Network Multimedia
and Ed Firmage.
--
Eric Herrmann
<shp...@xm...>Ä
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-03-09 18:30:15
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In any event, the original name was Serius, not Serious. That's why I chose Serious. Philip >As an aside, did Novell also buy the rights to the name Serious when they >purchased Serious Programmer (or whatever it was called)? The >MacOS/Windows debate shows that maybe its okay to borrow a paradigm, but >I'm not sure if we can borrow the name... > >Thanks, > >jim |
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From: <ji...@li...> - 2001-03-09 18:11:11
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>From Philip: >It looks good, but it's only one screenshot. I was thinking we might >put together a 'hello world' example and then one or two other more >complicated ones. It would be useful it attracting new programmers to >the project. Do you still have MicroBrew working on your machine? Yes, I have a working copy of Microbrew, and a MacOS 8.1 partition to boot from. Perhaps I should be using Windows screenshots, since more Java Developers are probably using Windows. I'll try to do a quick Director/Schockwave project this weekend, animating dragging some things from the toolbar, etc to create a quick hello world. I don't think it would be as easy to capture the simplicity of Microbrew in html alone but, as always, comments welcome. >From Scott: >Are you opening up an avenue for Novell to claim copyright infringement? I made the screenshots when we thought the source would open up. I think maybe if we are careful with the wording, we might be okay. "The members of the serious project loved how easily applications could be built using Microbrew. This legendary ease of use will also be the basis for the Serious Project." As an aside, did Novell also buy the rights to the name Serious when they purchased Serious Programmer (or whatever it was called)? The MacOS/Windows debate shows that maybe its okay to borrow a paradigm, but I'm not sure if we can borrow the name... Thanks, jim |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-03-09 17:57:42
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First of all, I doubt they'd care. Secondly, I don't think it's a problem if we put it up as a published review of how the original system worked. I can find several articles online still that review Serius and AppBuilder. Philip >Are you opening up an avenue for Novell to claim copyright infringement? >-- >Scott G. Carpenter (sc...@ne...) >Network Toolware, Inc. >www.networktoolware.com |
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From: Scott C. <sc...@ne...> - 2001-03-09 17:47:25
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> Does anyone have a working copy of MicroBrew or AppBuilder that they > can use to create some screenshots for the sourceforge site? I think > it would be useful for people to be able to see how the system worked. > > Philip > > _______________________________________________ > Serious-discuss mailing list > Ser...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/serious-discuss > Are you opening up an avenue for Novell to claim copyright infringement? -- Scott G. Carpenter (sc...@ne...) Network Toolware, Inc. www.networktoolware.com |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-03-09 17:40:38
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It looks good, but it's only one screenshot. I was thinking we might put together a 'hello world' example and then one or two other more complicated ones. It would be useful it attracting new programmers to the project. Do you still have MicroBrew working on your machine? Philip >I started a goofy little set of screenshots a year or two ago. Looking at >it today, I see it could use more work. Comments welcome! > >http://www.sakidokwan.org/microbrew/microbrew.html > > >jim >ji...@li... > >_______________________________________________ >Serious-discuss mailing list >Ser...@li... >http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/serious-discuss |
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From: <ji...@li...> - 2001-03-09 14:50:28
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I started a goofy little set of screenshots a year or two ago. Looking at it today, I see it could use more work. Comments welcome! http://www.sakidokwan.org/microbrew/microbrew.html jim ji...@li... |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-03-09 06:29:54
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Does anyone have a working copy of MicroBrew or AppBuilder that they can use to create some screenshots for the sourceforge site? I think it would be useful for people to be able to see how the system worked. Philip |
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From: Walter T. <wa...@to...> - 2001-03-09 06:14:17
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Trauring" <ph...@tr...> To: <ser...@li...> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: [Serious-discuss] Appware Devnote > Interestingly enough I found a devnote on Novell's site from 1994 > that outlines the Appware Foundation Architecture. Appware Foundation was a completely different effort then was we know as Appware. AF was an effort to build a single source library that you could create C programs, use this include library and complile it on Mac, Windows and UNIX. I thought it was a great idea, but Novell killed it before it could really get very far. 'Appware' was (to be) a suite of products from Novell. What we have been calling Appware was actually called 'Visual AppBuilder[tm]'. This note made me dig through my library of old stuff and I found my original mailing from Novell with the books and diskettes of AppBuilder. So, what we have been calling AppWare, is really AppBuilder, which is really what it is. Just thought I'd share that useless piece of info. Walter Walter |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-03-08 19:26:41
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I only know how to categorize the project, I don't see anything that allows one to add search keywords. If anyone knows how to do this, please do it or let me know and I'll do it. Philip >Is there any way we can have the serious project come up when volunteers >search for appware or microbrew on sourceforge? > >I did a search for appware (I forgot "serious" because it was before my >time) and couldn't find the site until I dug through old emails. Can an >admin ad search keywords to the project? > >thanks, >jim |
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From: Philip T. <ph...@tr...> - 2001-03-08 18:59:19
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Interestingly enough I found a devnote on Novell's site from 1994 that outlines the Appware Foundation Architecture. I don't know if this is useful or not, but it's available at: http://developer.novell.com/research/devnotes/1994/may/02/ Philip |
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From: <ji...@li...> - 2001-03-08 17:10:06
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>>> Basically, from a selfish POV, I just want a nice GUI to develop my projects >>> in, be it small apps, database front ends, CGI processes off web servers, or >>> what not, and not have to learn C++ or Java I will miss some of the functionality, too. However, I figure my older Macs will be less useful anyway by the time we have a build to test. With MacOS X, Java 2 will run natively. If there isn't already an effort out there somewhere to turn Java Beans into standalone binaries, there probably will be... >If we follow the AppWare example, you should be able to drop a few > object on a screen, connect them, define some parameters and compile. Also, with a JavaBean based serious project, I could create a wizard that can build perl scripts for me. Or it could spit out VB Script code for me. Or shell scripts. Or Applescripts, Flash ActionScripts, REALBasic> code(?), etc. I look forward to the Java Bean based serious project because it will once again enable me to create (almost) anything I want - without having to try and keep the (blasted!) syntax straight in all of these darn scripting languages. jim kreinbrink ji...@li... |
