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Hi,

I like to add a little swing to an midi file, is it possible with seq24? 
Otherwise you can read this as an feature request.

\r

Hello Everyone,

A patch to upgrade *roll.* and a few other files for an alternate mouse
interaction method.(selectable in options menu, in .seq24rc, and on command
line)

This patch and the new win32 binary are posted:
   http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/

You can patch your code starting at rev48 (from bazaar) + my previous win32
patch
   http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/rev48win32-add-mouseinteraction.patch

Documentation:

==============================================================
New Mouse Controls:
"Fruity Mode"  (like the fruityloops piano roll mouse interaction)
(selectable in options menu, in .seq24rc, and on command line)

Sequencer Roll:

Pencil (draw) or Selection (context sensitive)
 - Left click on empty space
   adds a note

 - Left click on note
   toggles note selection
 - Left click move from empty space
   draw many notes while moving ptr
 - Left click move on a note
   moves/grows the selected note depending on where pointer is

Think of Ctrl like a selection modifier to default pencil ptr
 - Left Ctrl click on empty space
   deselect all selected notes

 - Left Ctrl click on note
   adds to selection
 - Left Ctrl click move in empty space
   starts selection box that only selects what's inside on button up
 - Left Ctrl click move on a note
   make a copy of the selection (does copy/paste of selected notes)

Think of Shift like an "add to selection" modifier
 - Left Ctrl Shift click on empty space
   nothing

 - Left Ctrl Shift click on note
   adds to selection
 - Left Ctrl Shift click move in empty space
   starts selection box that toggles selection on button up
 - Left Ctrl Shift click move on a note
   make a copy of the selection (does copy/paste of selected notes)

Think of Right Click like an eraser or easy selection...
Eraser
 - Right click on note
   deletes note...  if you drag the mouse around it will delete other notes too.
 - Right+Ctrl click on note
   delete all selected notes at once time including under the cursor

Selection:
 - Right click on empty space
   deselect all notes
 - Right+Ctrl click on empty space
   nothing
 - Right click move from empty space
   starts selection box that sets selection only to the notes inside it
 - Right+Ctrl click move from empty space
   starts selection box that toggles selection on notes inside it

Song Editor Window:
 - is kinda similar to the SequencerRoll mouse buttons, though more limited
   due to how the editor works...   you'll figure it out. :)

Also added:
 - Ctrl A :  select All
 - Space bar starts/stops the main window's playback...

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> A patch to upgrade perform.cpp and perform.h to have the Midi Clock Sync
> feature.   Test it out and tell me how it goes. (you may want the
> toolchain<http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/seq24-0.8.7-win32-beta-1-subatomic-src+toolchain+binary.rar>for win32)
>       http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/rev48win32-add-midiclock.patch
>
> This patch was made on rev48 with applied my win32 patch (see my previous
> patch for win32)...
> It should be easy to add by hand by reading the .patch file (if it doesn't
> apply directly to the rev48 source code...)
>
>
> Patch was generated with:
> diff -rupN seq24-rev48\ adding\ win32/src/ seq24-rev48\ win32\ adding\
> MidiClock/src/  > rev48win32-add-midiclock.patch
>
> documentation:
> ==============================================================
> Midi Clock input:
>
> seq24 will slave off of incoming MidiClock messages
> 0xfc 0xfa 0xf8   (start stop and tick)
>
> This has been tested with another seq24 instance (stop/start works)
> This has been tested with a x0xb0x in (start/stop works)
>
> It will also pay attention to 0xfb (continue) and 0xf2 (Midi Song Pos) but
> these aren't tested...
>
> Currently there's no way to adjust a time offset... :-(
>
> ---
> kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Attached is the WIN32 patch for seq24 (patch against the latest (rev 48)
>> code from bazaar)
>>
>> Issues left to be resolved (please advise):
>>
>>  - how to get config.h into the configure (or do we simply have the README
>> tell the developer to copy config_win32.h over to config.h???  sounds ok to
>> me, but it's your call)...
>>
>>  - where to put the DevCpp project file?   Or...  we could host the
>> ginormous (70MB or so) toolchain tarball
>> <http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/seq24-0.8.7-win32-beta-1-subatomic-src+toolchain+binary.rar>up
>> on sourceforge (includes compiler and libs for instant success)...  I like
>> that idea, because otherwise, it's a pain to get this to compile correctly -
>> lots of dependencies with no package mgmt......
>>
>>
>> Anyway, someone please try this patch out, and tell me how it goes.
>>
>> patch was generated with: diff -rupN  seq24-rev48/src/
>> seq24-rev48win32/src/   >   rev48-add-win32.patch
>> ---
>> kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Guido Scholz <gui...@ba...
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am Tue, 07. Apr 2009 um 09:38:46 -0500 schrieb Kevin Meinert:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse,
>>>>
>>>> thats fine. Please make a diff against the corresponding seq24 version
>>>> and send it to this mailinglist; may be we can get win support in for
>>>> the next release.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> Guido
>>>>
>>>
>

>> How big is that file? Is it part of the patch? May be we can attach it
>> to the source package as it is.

It's not in the patch, as it's above the seq24 directory. :-)   not sure
where to put it.   And not sure what paths to put into it.   In my project
file, I have every external dependency in a "3rdparty" directory next to the
seq24 directory...   obviously not everyone will do this (unless using my
toolchain tarball)...   but how to accommodate everyone, I'm not sure.
maybe dictate how they install the gtk/gtkmm and other assorted libs...
i.e. do a private install local next to the seq24 dir.    I like that
anyway, because then system library upgrades  (i.e. running a gtk win32
installer into a public path) don't affect my seq24 build...

---
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Guido Scholz
<gui...@ba...>wrote:

> Am Tue, 14. Apr 2009 um 23:29:30 -0500 schrieb Kevin Meinert:
>
> >    Hello Everyone,
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> >    WIN32 patch for seq24 (patch against the latest (rev 48) code from
> bazaar)
> >        http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/rev48-add-win32.patch
>
> thanks a lot for this effort. I am just wrapping all up to go for the
> LAC im Parma; hopefully I will have some time there to look at your
> patches.
>
> >    Issues left to be resolved (please advise):
>
> >     - how to get config.h into the configure (or do we simply have the
> README
> >    tell the developer to copy config_win32.h over to config.h???  sounds
> ok
> >    to me, but it's your call)...
>
> No, we can use both with a simple environment dependend "ifdef  ...".
>
> >     - where to put the DevCpp project file?
>
> How big is that file? Is it part of the patch? May be we can attach it
> to the source package as it is.
>
> >    Or...  we could host the
> >    ginormous (70MB or so) toolchain tarball up on sourceforge (includes
> >    compiler and libs for instant success)...
>
> Definitively no. A small but well written chapter in the README file for
> win users should be enough.
>
> Guido
>
> --
> http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/ <http://www.bayernline.de/%7Egscholz/>
> http://www.lug-burghausen.org/
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seq24 could host the win32 binary files since they seem to disappear (i.e. I
couldn't find the 2.6 version of one package that rob had used with his
code)...        I think rob's old site had gtk and gtkmm at least.   though
I've found a number of other packages that are needed as well...

I'll have the toolchain on my site for dl.   it's really time consuming to
set it all up and chase down all the binaries using google search...     but
yes, I should document it in the readme for sure, so no one needs my tarball
if my site were to go away for whatever reason...

here's that bundle again if you wanted to get going fast on win32 for a
quick test:

http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/seq24-0.8.7-win32-beta-1-subatomic-src+toolchain+binary.rar
(includes older seq24 directory, just overwrite it)...

I have the new mouse input method 90% merged in (some glitches causing
strange mouse selection and addition artifacts, I noticed sequence.cpp had
changes from mine, that may cause this...).   hopefully i'll have a patch
for you tonight or tomorrow.
thanks.

> Definitively no. A small but well written chapter in the README file for
> win users should be enough.
>
> Guido
>
> --
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Am Tue, 14. Apr 2009 um 23:29:30 -0500 schrieb Kevin Meinert:

>    Hello Everyone,

Hi Kevin,

>    WIN32 patch for seq24 (patch against the latest (rev 48) code from bazaar)
>        http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/rev48-add-win32.patch

thanks a lot for this effort. I am just wrapping all up to go for the
LAC im Parma; hopefully I will have some time there to look at your
patches.

>    Issues left to be resolved (please advise):

>     - how to get config.h into the configure (or do we simply have the README
>    tell the developer to copy config_win32.h over to config.h???  sounds ok
>    to me, but it's your call)...

No, we can use both with a simple environment dependend "ifdef  ...".

>     - where to put the DevCpp project file?

How big is that file? Is it part of the patch? May be we can attach it
to the source package as it is.

>    Or...  we could host the
>    ginormous (70MB or so) toolchain tarball up on sourceforge (includes
>    compiler and libs for instant success)...

Definitively no. A small but well written chapter in the README file for
win users should be enough.

Guido

-- 
http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/
http://www.lug-burghausen.org/

Hello Everyone,

A patch to upgrade perform.cpp and perform.h to have the Midi Clock Sync
feature.   Test it out and tell me how it goes. (you may want the
toolchain<http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/seq24-0.8.7-win32-beta-1-subatomic-src+toolchain+binary.rar>for
win32)
      http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/rev48win32-add-midiclock.patch

This patch was made on rev48 with applied my win32 patch (see my previous
patch for win32)...
It should be easy to add by hand by reading the .patch file (if it doesn't
apply directly to the rev48 source code...)

Patch was generated with:
diff -rupN seq24-rev48\ adding\ win32/src/ seq24-rev48\ win32\ adding\
MidiClock/src/  > rev48win32-add-midiclock.patch

documentation:
==============================================================
Midi Clock input:

seq24 will slave off of incoming MidiClock messages
0xfc 0xfa 0xf8   (start stop and tick)

This has been tested with another seq24 instance (stop/start works)
This has been tested with a x0xb0x in (start/stop works)

It will also pay attention to 0xfb (continue) and 0xf2 (Midi Song Pos) but
these aren't tested...

Currently there's no way to adjust a time offset... :-(

---
kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>wrote:

>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Attached is the WIN32 patch for seq24 (patch against the latest (rev 48)
> code from bazaar)
>
> Issues left to be resolved (please advise):
>
>  - how to get config.h into the configure (or do we simply have the README
> tell the developer to copy config_win32.h over to config.h???  sounds ok to
> me, but it's your call)...
>
>  - where to put the DevCpp project file?   Or...  we could host the
> ginormous (70MB or so) toolchain tarball
> <http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/seq24-0.8.7-win32-beta-1-subatomic-src+toolchain+binary.rar>up
> on sourceforge (includes compiler and libs for instant success)...  I like
> that idea, because otherwise, it's a pain to get this to compile correctly -
> lots of dependencies with no package mgmt......
>
>
> Anyway, someone please try this patch out, and tell me how it goes.
>
> patch was generated with: diff -rupN  seq24-rev48/src/
> seq24-rev48win32/src/   >   rev48-add-win32.patch
> ---
> kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Guido Scholz <gui...@ba...>wrote:
>>
>>> Am Tue, 07. Apr 2009 um 09:38:46 -0500 schrieb Kevin Meinert:
>>>
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>
>>> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse,
>>>
>>> thats fine. Please make a diff against the corresponding seq24 version
>>> and send it to this mailinglist; may be we can get win support in for
>>> the next release.
>>
>>
>
>> Guido
>>>
>>

Hello Everyone,

WIN32 patch for seq24 (patch against the latest (rev 48) code from bazaar)
    http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/rev48-add-win32.patch

Issues left to be resolved (please advise):

 - how to get config.h into the configure (or do we simply have the README
tell the developer to copy config_win32.h over to config.h???  sounds ok to
me, but it's your call)...

 - where to put the DevCpp project file?   Or...  we could host the
ginormous (70MB or so) toolchain tarball
<http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/seq24-0.8.7-win32-beta-1-subatomic-src+toolchain+binary.rar>up
on sourceforge (includes compiler and libs for instant success)...  I like
that idea, because otherwise, it's a pain to get this to compile correctly -
lots of dependencies with no package mgmt......

Anyway, someone please try this patch out, and tell me how it goes.

patch was generated with: diff -rupN  seq24-rev48/src/
seq24-rev48win32/src/   >   rev48-add-win32.patch
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Guido Scholz <gui...@ba...>wrote:
>
>> Am Tue, 07. Apr 2009 um 09:38:46 -0500 schrieb Kevin Meinert:
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse,
>>
>> thats fine. Please make a diff against the corresponding seq24 version
>> and send it to this mailinglist; may be we can get win support in for
>> the next release.
>
>

> Guido
>>
>

Just got seq24 up and running on win32 with the latest source code from the
repository  - ...  it wasn't that hard.   going to bed now, out for the
weekend, when i get back, will post a patch for this.
Next, I'll get my new mouse interaction code, and the midiclock slaving
code, running on this latest version, and then post another (2) patch(s)

Guido, you can ignore my patch I sent you last night, it's probably more
trouble than you want to deal with, as it's patched against a version older
than your source repository :-)...
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Guido Scholz <gui...@ba...>wrote:

> Am Fri, 20. Mar 2009 um 10:01:10 +0000 schrieb go music:
>
> > Hi all,
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> > knowing that there is no link to this list I would just like to draw your
> attention to a patch that has been deposited at the seq24 launchpad site
> https://answers.launchpad.net/seq24/+question/63587 by alte_frequenze .
> > This patch implements muting toggle for learnable groups of sequences
> similar to what was already requested in the blueprints.
> > I had difficulties applying it so I have reproduced a patch file that
> worked properly on linux in case anyone has the same problem, and that also
> contains some more detailed documentation on the new features.
> > The implementation works well and is a great long-awaited feature in my
> view !
>
> can you please send the mentioned patch to this mailinglist? What about
> the documentation patch, can you please send it too?
>
> BTW, can you please use a propper MUA; your typesetting is quite ugly
> and only hardly readable.
>
> Guido
>
> --
> http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/ <http://www.bayernline.de/%7Egscholz/>
> http://www.lug-burghausen.org/
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Hi,
I have user input selectable now, and it saves in the rc file, is in the
options menu, and selectable on the command line.

I'll look at making patches for you.  Just looking into your repository
instructions now...   may be a few days as i'm busy this weekend.

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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Guido Scholz <gui...@ba...>wrote:

> Am Tue, 07. Apr 2009 um 09:38:46 -0500 schrieb Kevin Meinert:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse,
>
> thats fine. Please make a diff against the corresponding seq24 version
> and send it to this mailinglist; may be we can get win support in for
> the next release.
>
> > 1.)
> > I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style mouse interface, which I
> feel
> > is much easier to use.
>
> Is this behavior controllable by user preferences? If you are ready send
> a patch against the current bzr repository to this mailinglist.
>
> > 2.)
> > In addition.   I and several friends of mine, want to slave seq24 off of
> > external hardware (seq24 already works as a master clock but there's no
> > slave feature).   So I have added this support as well.
>
> Make a patch for this option against the current bzr and send patch like
> above.
>
> Guido
>
> --
> http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/ <http://www.bayernline.de/%7Egscholz/>
> http://www.lug-burghausen.org/
>
>
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Am Tue, 07. Apr 2009 um 09:38:46 -0500 schrieb Kevin Meinert:

Hi Kevin,

> I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse,

thats fine. Please make a diff against the corresponding seq24 version
and send it to this mailinglist; may be we can get win support in for
the next release.

> 1.)
> I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style mouse interface, which I feel
> is much easier to use.

Is this behavior controllable by user preferences? If you are ready send
a patch against the current bzr repository to this mailinglist.

> 2.)
> In addition.   I and several friends of mine, want to slave seq24 off of
> external hardware (seq24 already works as a master clock but there's no
> slave feature).   So I have added this support as well.

Make a patch for this option against the current bzr and send patch like
above.

Guido

-- 
http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/
http://www.lug-burghausen.org/

Am Fri, 20. Mar 2009 um 10:01:10 +0000 schrieb go music:

> Hi all,

Hi Frank,

> knowing that there is no link to this list I would just like to draw your attention to a patch that has been deposited at the seq24 launchpad site https://answers.launchpad.net/seq24/+question/63587 by alte_frequenze .
> This patch implements muting toggle for learnable groups of sequences similar to what was already requested in the blueprints.
> I had difficulties applying it so I have reproduced a patch file that worked properly on linux in case anyone has the same problem, and that also contains some more detailed documentation on the new features.
> The implementation works well and is a great long-awaited feature in my view !

can you please send the mentioned patch to this mailinglist? What about
the documentation patch, can you please send it too?

BTW, can you please use a propper MUA; your typesetting is quite ugly
and only hardly readable.

Guido

-- 
http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/
http://www.lug-burghausen.org/

you're right.  but that's a lot more work.   i wont commit to going that
far.  but i'll keep it in mind. :)

your suggestion is awesome/useful and I've thought about it myself in the
past....

I'll need to think about whether I put more work into supporting multiple
interaction methods (continue the work splitting my new  interaction method
with the old seq24 method)  vs writing a generic keymap system (lots harder
as you have to both generalize the code that takes action on the key/button
presses (of which there are 2 methods now), and write some new keymapping
system to use in that, as well as GUI dialogs (or at least a config file) so
you can configure it all...)...   lots of work. :)

thinking aloud about implementation:
Reconciling the new interaction methods into one generic block may be very
difficult as they're 2 different state machines, similar but different
enough...  however, as my new method has more features, perhaps if
*it*supported keybindings, then perhaps that could be close enough to
feel like
the old interaction method...    Another idea is to have both a 1.)
configurable method/statemachine (mine vs original) and 2.) keybindings for
that method...     I could be overthinking this, possibly the 2 methods can
be generalized together, then this whole problem goes away and i simply go
with #2 only......

for now i'm leaning towards get stuff done "sooner faster now now now",
it'll be more productive to first finish making mine&seq24 mouse interaction
selectable... then think about keybindings later, as it would then simply
replace the key detection in one or both of those methods...   that's my
plan for now... sorry for the train of thought, hope it was fun for you.
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Alex <x37...@gm...> wrote:

> Maybe someone has already worked on this but really, I think that user
> configurable key/mouse bindings is something that seq24 needs.. for
> instance my keyboard doesn't have a right alt key, so I cannot do the
> 'cue to start on next measure' [afaik] setting for toggling a loop.  I
> might want to set up a 'performance' mode of keybindings where certain
> actions are intentionally harder to get to [like stop/start], so that
> I don't f it up live.  Also, I might like the default mode of toggling
> a loop on to actually cue it to start on the next measure instead of
> 'rudely' toggle it into the current mix.. all of these issue could be
> solved on per a user's desired mode of working with the ability to
> create your own custom key/mouse bindings.
>
> -Alex
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm in the process of making the interaction model selectable.  about 1/3
> > done already... (doing some coding on the train)
> >
> >>> Having to find the correct part of the note then, instead of just
> >>> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me
> >
> > I will also look into a way of supporting this idea in my interaction
> > model...  maybe alt click to grow the note, or something...
> >
> > good suggestions.
> >
> > ---
> > kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pelle Nilsson <pe...@ly...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> writes:
> >>
> >> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse, and
> >> > have
> >> > made some edits to the code:
> >> >
> >> > 1.)
> >> > I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style mouse interface, which I
> >> > feel
> >> > is much easier to use.
> >>
> >> These changes are probably fine, if they are made optional
> >> somehow. Especially on a laptop with touchpad. I'm happy when I manage
> >> to get the mousepointer to the general area of where the note is.
> >> Having to find the correct part of the note then, instead of just
> >> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me (speaking from experience
> >> with other applications).
> >>
> >> --
> >> /Pelle
> >
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Alex,
a permanently enabled cue mode is possible with alte_frequenze's mute groups patch (see other thread and seq24 launchpad 'Answers'). All other key bindings can be configured in the .seq24 file even in older versions.
Only mouse behavior cannot yet be configured. 
Cheers

--- En date de : Mer 8.4.09, Alex <x37...@gm...> a écrit :

> De: Alex <x37...@gm...>
> Objet: Re: [seq24-users] some code changes for seq24: different mouse input ... MidiClock start/stop ... win32 code
> À: "Kevin Meinert" <ke...@su...>
> Cc: "Pelle Nilsson" <pe...@ly...>, seq...@li...
> Date: Mercredi 8 Avril 2009, 21h12
> Maybe someone has already worked on
> this but really, I think that user
> configurable key/mouse bindings is something that seq24
> needs.. for
> instance my keyboard doesn't have a right alt key, so I
> cannot do the
> 'cue to start on next measure' [afaik] setting for toggling
> a loop.  I
> might want to set up a 'performance' mode of keybindings
> where certain
> actions are intentionally harder to get to [like
> stop/start], so that
> I don't f it up live.  Also, I might like the default
> mode of toggling
> a loop on to actually cue it to start on the next measure
> instead of
> 'rudely' toggle it into the current mix.. all of these
> issue could be
> solved on per a user's desired mode of working with the
> ability to
> create your own custom key/mouse bindings.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm in the process of making the interaction model
> selectable.  about 1/3
> > done already... (doing some coding on the train)
> >
> >>> Having to find the correct part of the note
> then, instead of just
> >>> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me
> >
> > I will also look into a way of supporting this idea in
> my interaction
> > model...  maybe alt click to grow the note, or
> something...
> >
> > good suggestions.
> >
> > ---
> > kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pelle Nilsson <pe...@ly...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>
> writes:
> >>
> >> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24
> code from Rob Buse, and
> >> > have
> >> > made some edits to the code:
> >> >
> >> > 1.)
> >> > I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style
> mouse interface, which I
> >> > feel
> >> > is much easier to use.
> >>
> >> These changes are probably fine, if they are made
> optional
> >> somehow. Especially on a laptop with touchpad. I'm
> happy when I manage
> >> to get the mousepointer to the general area of
> where the note is.
> >> Having to find the correct part of the note then,
> instead of just
> >> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me
> (speaking from experience
> >> with other applications).
> >>
> >> --
> >> /Pelle
> >
> >
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Maybe someone has already worked on this but really, I think that user
configurable key/mouse bindings is something that seq24 needs.. for
instance my keyboard doesn't have a right alt key, so I cannot do the
'cue to start on next measure' [afaik] setting for toggling a loop.  I
might want to set up a 'performance' mode of keybindings where certain
actions are intentionally harder to get to [like stop/start], so that
I don't f it up live.  Also, I might like the default mode of toggling
a loop on to actually cue it to start on the next measure instead of
'rudely' toggle it into the current mix.. all of these issue could be
solved on per a user's desired mode of working with the ability to
create your own custom key/mouse bindings.

-Alex

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of making the interaction model selectable.  about 1/3
> done already... (doing some coding on the train)
>
>>> Having to find the correct part of the note then, instead of just
>>> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me
>
> I will also look into a way of supporting this idea in my interaction
> model...  maybe alt click to grow the note, or something...
>
> good suggestions.
>
> ---
> kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pelle Nilsson <pe...@ly...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> writes:
>>
>> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse, and
>> > have
>> > made some edits to the code:
>> >
>> > 1.)
>> > I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style mouse interface, which I
>> > feel
>> > is much easier to use.
>>
>> These changes are probably fine, if they are made optional
>> somehow. Especially on a laptop with touchpad. I'm happy when I manage
>> to get the mousepointer to the general area of where the note is.
>> Having to find the correct part of the note then, instead of just
>> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me (speaking from experience
>> with other applications).
>>
>> --
>> /Pelle
>
>
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I'm in the process of making the interaction model selectable.  about 1/3
done already... (doing some coding on the train)

>> Having to find the correct part of the note then, instead of just
>> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me

I will also look into a way of supporting this idea in my interaction
model...  maybe alt click to grow the note, or something...

good suggestions.

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pelle Nilsson <pe...@ly...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> writes:
>
> > I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse, and have
> > made some edits to the code:
> >
> > 1.)
> > I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style mouse interface, which I
> feel
> > is much easier to use.
>
> These changes are probably fine, if they are made optional
> somehow. Especially on a laptop with touchpad. I'm happy when I manage
> to get the mousepointer to the general area of where the note is.
> Having to find the correct part of the note then, instead of just
> holding ctrl, is not really an option to me (speaking from experience
> with other applications).
>
> --
> /Pelle
>

Hi,

Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> writes:

> I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse, and have
> made some edits to the code:
> 
> 1.)
> I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style mouse interface, which I feel
> is much easier to use.

These changes are probably fine, if they are made optional
somehow. Especially on a laptop with touchpad. I'm happy when I manage
to get the mousepointer to the general area of where the note is.
Having to find the correct part of the note then, instead of just
holding ctrl, is not really an option to me (speaking from experience
with other applications).

-- 
/Pelle

Hi, here's my work for "better" mouse interaction, midiclock input, and
spacebar start/stop.
Also, hey, it's win32 source code from Rob, how cool... maybe it can be
merged into the mainline...

   http://www.subatomicglue.com/seq24/

There's no diff patch files (I didn't have time, sorry)...

Caveat:  I noticed the MidiClock thing works slaved to another seq24, but
not to my x0xb0x.   I have a good idea how to fix, so I will work on this
and add an update in the future.

So for now, check out the Win32/portmidi stuff from rob, and the mouse
interaction stuff from me...  (perfroll, seqroll, seqevent and sequence
mainly)

additions of note:
 - new and improved mouse interaction
 - new key binding for SPACEBAR to start/stop the sequencer in all the
views.
 - half baked MidiClock (sort of works, keeps time with seq24 and x0xb0x,
wont stop on some sequencers)
 - win32 code (yay!)   port midi implementation (might work on linux/osx I
don't know haven't tried)

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>wrote:

>
> I'll see about either a separate patch file, or maybe just a verbose diff
> so you can see what's new easily and copy the code manually...
>
> I really want the mute groups in my win32 version.   If this doesn't all
> get merged into mainline, then I'll definitely want to try patching my copy
> with the mute groups feature....  (jack I don't care about, since no jack on
> windows  :-) :-) ;-)   )
>
> anyway, stay tuned, i'll try posting something tonight on my server...
> ---
> kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:17 PM, go music <goe...@ya...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>> that's cool!
>> For my own purposes the most important part of your modifications would be
>> the midiclock slave implementation. I'm on linux, and I already included the
>> new mute groups feature coded by alte_frequenze upon the latest seq24
>> cvs....that latter has a jack transport fix in it plus all other 0.9 stuff.
>> Do you see a way to create a patch in that situation? honestly I wouldn't
>> know how to do this....but I don't wanna let go without having asked ;)
>> Thanks for your efforts
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> --- En date de : Mar 7.4.09, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> a
>> écrit :
>>
>> > De: Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>
>> > Objet: Re: [seq24-users] some code changes for seq24: different mouse
>> input ... MidiClock start/stop ... win32 code
>> > À: "Jon Stutters" <jst...@je...>
>> > Cc: seq...@li...
>> > Date: Mardi 7 Avril 2009, 19h06
>> >
>> > Cool, I'll try to get it posted tonight.   I've
>> > not tried compiling this on linux, so I don't know what
>> > state it was in when Rob did the win32 port...   I
>> > don't have OSX either...
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM,
>> > Jon Stutters <jst...@je...>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Kevin Meinert wrote:
>> >
>> > > Is anyone interested in these changes?    let me
>> > know, if interested,
>> >
>> > > I'll get a tarball posted soon,
>> >
>> > > I should also point out that the win32 code is perhaps
>> > old, from the
>> >
>> > > 0.8.7 win32 beta that was released, so I'm not
>> > sure what merging it in
>> >
>> > > would be like.  it does use port_midi, not sure if
>> > that can simply be
>> >
>> > > used on linux, I think it's cross platform, so it
>> > could become a
>> >
>> > > configure option to use that instead of Alsa...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd be interested in having a
>> > look to see whether the use of portmidi
>> >
>> > makes compiling for OSX easier.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Jonny
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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I'll see about either a separate patch file, or maybe just a verbose diff so
you can see what's new easily and copy the code manually...

I really want the mute groups in my win32 version.   If this doesn't all get
merged into mainline, then I'll definitely want to try patching my copy with
the mute groups feature....  (jack I don't care about, since no jack on
windows  :-) :-) ;-)   )

anyway, stay tuned, i'll try posting something tonight on my server...
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:17 PM, go music <goe...@ya...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> that's cool!
> For my own purposes the most important part of your modifications would be
> the midiclock slave implementation. I'm on linux, and I already included the
> new mute groups feature coded by alte_frequenze upon the latest seq24
> cvs....that latter has a jack transport fix in it plus all other 0.9 stuff.
> Do you see a way to create a patch in that situation? honestly I wouldn't
> know how to do this....but I don't wanna let go without having asked ;)
> Thanks for your efforts
> Frank
>
>
> --- En date de : Mar 7.4.09, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> a
> écrit :
>
> > De: Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>
> > Objet: Re: [seq24-users] some code changes for seq24: different mouse
> input ... MidiClock start/stop ... win32 code
> > À: "Jon Stutters" <jst...@je...>
> > Cc: seq...@li...
> > Date: Mardi 7 Avril 2009, 19h06
> >
> > Cool, I'll try to get it posted tonight.   I've
> > not tried compiling this on linux, so I don't know what
> > state it was in when Rob did the win32 port...   I
> > don't have OSX either...
> >
> > ---
> >
> > kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM,
> > Jon Stutters <jst...@je...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Kevin Meinert wrote:
> >
> > > Is anyone interested in these changes?    let me
> > know, if interested,
> >
> > > I'll get a tarball posted soon,
> >
> > > I should also point out that the win32 code is perhaps
> > old, from the
> >
> > > 0.8.7 win32 beta that was released, so I'm not
> > sure what merging it in
> >
> > > would be like.  it does use port_midi, not sure if
> > that can simply be
> >
> > > used on linux, I think it's cross platform, so it
> > could become a
> >
> > > configure option to use that instead of Alsa...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd be interested in having a
> > look to see whether the use of portmidi
> >
> > makes compiling for OSX easier.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jonny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi,
that's cool!
For my own purposes the most important part of your modifications would be the midiclock slave implementation. I'm on linux, and I already included the new mute groups feature coded by alte_frequenze upon the latest seq24 cvs....that latter has a jack transport fix in it plus all other 0.9 stuff. 
Do you see a way to create a patch in that situation? honestly I wouldn't know how to do this....but I don't wanna let go without having asked ;)
Thanks for your efforts
Frank

--- En date de : Mar 7.4.09, Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...> a écrit :

> De: Kevin Meinert <ke...@su...>
> Objet: Re: [seq24-users] some code changes for seq24: different mouse input ... MidiClock start/stop ... win32 code
> À: "Jon Stutters" <jst...@je...>
> Cc: seq...@li...
> Date: Mardi 7 Avril 2009, 19h06
> 
> Cool, I'll try to get it posted tonight.   I've
> not tried compiling this on linux, so I don't know what
> state it was in when Rob did the win32 port...   I
> don't have OSX either...
> 
> ---
> 
> kevin meinert | http://www.subatomicglue.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM,
> Jon Stutters <jst...@je...>
> wrote:
> 
> Kevin Meinert wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone interested in these changes?    let me
> know, if interested,
> 
> > I'll get a tarball posted soon,
> 
> > I should also point out that the win32 code is perhaps
> old, from the
> 
> > 0.8.7 win32 beta that was released, so I'm not
> sure what merging it in
> 
> > would be like.  it does use port_midi, not sure if
> that can simply be
> 
> > used on linux, I think it's cross platform, so it
> could become a
> 
> > configure option to use that instead of Alsa...
> 
> 
> 
> I'd be interested in having a
> look to see whether the use of portmidi
> 
> makes compiling for OSX easier.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jonny
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Cool, I'll try to get it posted tonight.   I've not tried compiling this on
linux, so I don't know what state it was in when Rob did the win32 port...
I don't have OSX either...

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Jon Stutters <jst...@je...>wrote:

> Kevin Meinert wrote:
> > Is anyone interested in these changes?    let me know, if interested,
> > I'll get a tarball posted soon,
> > I should also point out that the win32 code is perhaps old, from the
> > 0.8.7 win32 beta that was released, so I'm not sure what merging it in
> > would be like.  it does use port_midi, not sure if that can simply be
> > used on linux, I think it's cross platform, so it could become a
> > configure option to use that instead of Alsa...
>
> I'd be interested in having a look to see whether the use of portmidi
> makes compiling for OSX easier.
>
> Cheers,
> Jonny
>
>
>
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Kevin Meinert wrote:
> Is anyone interested in these changes?    let me know, if interested, 
> I'll get a tarball posted soon,
> I should also point out that the win32 code is perhaps old, from the 
> 0.8.7 win32 beta that was released, so I'm not sure what merging it in 
> would be like.  it does use port_midi, not sure if that can simply be 
> used on linux, I think it's cross platform, so it could become a 
> configure option to use that instead of Alsa...

I'd be interested in having a look to see whether the use of portmidi
makes compiling for OSX easier.

Cheers,
Jonny

I've obtained the Win32 version of the seq24 code from Rob Buse, and have
made some edits to the code:

1.)
I've implemented fruityloops / flstudio style mouse interface, which I feel
is much easier to use.
Contrast:

fruityloops pianoroll style:
 - left click adds note
 - right click deletes note
 - mouse is context sensitive, cursor changes to indicate when you can grow
the note, or move it without additional modifier keys
 - selection and copy/paste resembles modern GUI file browsers in Windows
and Linux - ctrl left click to draw selection box, ctrl shift left click to
add to selection using box, ctrl left move does copy/paste, ctrl left click
select note toggles it's selected state.
 - no middle click - supports laptops with 2 buttons well...

seq24 style (current):
 - mash together right and left buttons to add a note
 - select note and press delete deletes a note
 - ctrl click to grow note, middle click does some things...   basically
grow is not intuitive/direct, you have to know about holding a key to invoke
it
 - selection is capable, but not as polished as above imho...

the flstudio version is much simpler in terms of less actions and intuition.

2.)
In addition.   I and several friends of mine, want to slave seq24 off of
external hardware (seq24 already works as a master clock but there's no
slave feature).   So I have added this support as well.

3.)
oh, and it's got the Win32 support as well, which would be nice to get into
the main source control (looking at the src a few weeks back I noticed it
didn't include win32 support)....

Is anyone interested in these changes?    let me know, if interested, I'll
get a tarball posted soon,
I should also point out that the win32 code is perhaps old, from the 0.8.7
win32 beta that was released, so I'm not sure what merging it in would be
like.  it does use port_midi, not sure if that can simply be used on linux,
I think it's cross platform, so it could become a configure option to use
that instead of Alsa...

I am also interested in adding a selector for either of the new or old
styles of interaction, if anyone is very attached to the original
interaction method.
This could be something I code next, so if people are interested shout it
out...

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Not quite, as Seq24 already does this. Can't remember off the top of
my head what the shortcut key is.

I'm thinking more that a sequence would unmute and start from the
beginning of itself at the end of the next 4 bars (or whatever)

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Brian Dunn <job...@sb...> wrote:
> If i understand you correctly then i agree that would be neato. I'm thinking
> of a state between muted and playing, where a sequence is set to be unmuted
> the next time it repeats. is that what you are talking about?
>

If i understand you correctly then i agree that would be neato. I'm  
thinking of a state between muted and playing, where a sequence is set  
to be unmuted the next time it repeats. is that what you are talking  
about?
On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Loz wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm new to Seq24, and I do really like it, however, there is one minor
> feature that I'd like, and I thought I'd just check it wasn't actually
> already available.
>
> When I've got long sequences programmed in, they appear to play in the
> background, even if not selected. When I select to play them, they
> either play from the current place they have got to, or I can choose
> to play them from the next time they reach the beginning of the
> sequence.
>
> Is there a way to set them to play from the start of the sequence,
> even if they're currently half way though (so you'd sort of 'reset'
> the position when playing them)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Loz
>
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Hi all,
knowing that there is no link to this list I would just like to draw your attention to a patch that has been deposited at the seq24 launchpad site https://answers.launchpad.net/seq24/+question/63587 by alte_frequenze .
This patch implements muting toggle for learnable groups of sequences similar to what was already requested in the blueprints.
I had difficulties applying it so I have reproduced a patch file that worked properly on linux in case anyone has the same problem, and that also contains some more detailed documentation on the new features.
The implementation works well and is a great long-awaited feature in my view !

Regards
Frank

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