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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> list to be date desc?

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
(Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
shown.
See the sort help topics.

Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)

S.A.

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> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> list to be date desc?
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[Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
list to be date desc?

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scid vs PC 4.14 64bit for Windows - Tree mask error message.

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

I think the problem is you are now trying to open a mask that was
created in ScidvsPC-4.14, in ScidvsPC-4.13 or earlier .
If this is not the case, please email me directly,
Or you can edit the mask file directly and replace
all 'tb_help_small' with 'tb_help'

Unfortunately, the question image is a new one.
And backward compatability is something i have failed to consider fully...
but the mask format is a little badly designed here too.

Steven

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Arie Oren <ari...@ya...> wrote:
>  Hi Steve and everbody
>
> In principle I want to thank you, Steve,  for the extraordinary software.
> I'm working in Windows 8.1 64bit with 8GB of memory.
> Several years ago I enjoy using Scid vs PC program in the 32bit version
> first and 64bit now. I was happy to receive much 64bit version 4.14 and that
> the program is being overcome.
> I make constant use of the utility of the "tree mask" and so far with no
> major problems.
> But...
> In this latest version, 4.14 64bit, I receive this message when I came back
> to any enter (in any, not in all)  without knowing when and how the problem
> was produced
>
> ========================================
> image "tb_help_small" doesn't exist
> image "tb_help_small" doesn't exist
>     while executing
> "$w.f.tl image create end -image $img -align center"
>     (procedure "displayLines" line 83)
>     invoked from within
> "displayLines $baseNumber $moves"
>     (procedure "::tree::dorefresh" line 51)
>     invoked from within
> "::tree::dorefresh $i"
>     (procedure "::tree::refresh" line 13)
>     invoked from within
> "::tree::refresh"
>     (procedure "updateBoard3" line 51)
>     invoked from within
> "updateBoard3 0"
>     ("after" script)
> =======================================
>
> I received not when I create the enter but  when sometime I came back to
> him.
>
> I thank you for your work and your help.
>
> Arie
>
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[Scidvspc-users] Scid vs PC 4.14 64bit for Windows - Tree mask error message.

[Arie O. <ari...@ya...>]

 Hi Steve and everbody

In principle I want to thank you, Steve,  for the extraordinary software. I'm working in Windows 8.1 64bit with 8GB of memory.Several years ago I enjoy using Scid vs PC program in the 32bit version first and 64bit now. I was happy to receive much 64bit version 4.14 and that the program is being overcome.
I make constant use of the utility of the "tree mask" and so far with no major problems.
But...
In this latest version, 4.14 64bit, I receive this message when I came back to any enter (in any, not in all)  without knowing when and how the problem was produced

========================================
image "tb_help_small" doesn't exist
image "tb_help_small" doesn't exist
    while executing
"$w.f.tl image create end -image $img -align center"
    (procedure "displayLines" line 83)
    invoked from within
"displayLines $baseNumber $moves"
    (procedure "::tree::dorefresh" line 51)
    invoked from within
"::tree::dorefresh $i"
    (procedure "::tree::refresh" line 13)
    invoked from within
"::tree::refresh"
    (procedure "updateBoard3" line 51)
    invoked from within
"updateBoard3 0"
    ("after" script)
=======================================

I received not when I create the enter but  when sometime I came back to him.

I thank you for your work and your help.
Arie

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Crash when playing against UCI engine from setup position

[Ralph M. <ral...@ou...>]

Thanks Steve,

Adding the return to markExercise() at least prevents Scid vs. PC from crashing.

Cheers,
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve A [mailto:ste...@gm...] 
Sent: 16 April 2015 12:58 PM
To: Ralph Möritz; scidvspc-users
Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Crash when playing against UCI engine from setup position

Hmmm - Great stuff. There is one procedure i know crashes Scid, and this feature is using it.  It is engine::search. If anyone with engine programming experience would care to look at it ? Ralph's example seems a decent way to get it to dump core. Backtrace is below.

Until it is fixed, you can just add this return line to disable it in the uci game (tcl/tools/analysis.tcl) .....
proc markExercise { prevscore score } {
+ return
......


Cheers.


(gdb) bt
#0  0x0000000000481230 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#1  0x0000000000481114 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#2  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#3  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#4  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#5  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#6  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#7  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#8  0x000000000048190c in Engine::SearchRoot(int, int, int, MoveList*)
()
#9  0x0000000000481bef in Engine::Think(MoveList*) ()
#10 0x000000000041d1c3 in sc_pos_analyze(void*, Tcl_Interp*, int, char
const**) ()
#11 0x000000000041e9a9 in sc_pos(void*, Tcl_Interp*, int, char
const**) ()

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Ralph Möritz <ral...@ou...> wrote:

> I’m using Scid vs. PC 4.14 x64 on Windows 8.1. I’m trying to practice 
> my endgame play by setting up a position, e.g. “8/8/8/6k1/1N6/8/8/K6B 
> w - - 0 1”, and playing against an engine. Unfortunately, after a few 
> moves by both sides, Scid vs. PC consistently crashes (the number of 
> moves before a crash seems to vary). I’ve only seen this happen when 
> playing against UCI engines, because Phalanx always resigns in lost endings J.

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Crash when playing against UCI engine from setup position

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

Hmmm - Great stuff. There is one procedure i know crashes Scid, and
this feature is using it.  It is engine::search. If anyone with engine
programming experience would care to look at it ? Ralph's example
seems a decent way to get it to dump core. Backtrace is below.

Until it is fixed, you can just add this return line to disable it in
the uci game (tcl/tools/analysis.tcl)
.....
proc markExercise { prevscore score } {
+ return
......


Cheers.


(gdb) bt
#0  0x0000000000481230 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#1  0x0000000000481114 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#2  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#3  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#4  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#5  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#6  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#7  0x0000000000480e62 in Engine::Search(int, int, int, bool) ()
#8  0x000000000048190c in Engine::SearchRoot(int, int, int, MoveList*)
()
#9  0x0000000000481bef in Engine::Think(MoveList*) ()
#10 0x000000000041d1c3 in sc_pos_analyze(void*, Tcl_Interp*, int, char
const**) ()
#11 0x000000000041e9a9 in sc_pos(void*, Tcl_Interp*, int, char
const**) ()

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Ralph Möritz <ral...@ou...> wrote:

> I’m using Scid vs. PC 4.14 x64 on Windows 8.1. I’m trying to practice my
> endgame play by setting up a position, e.g. “8/8/8/6k1/1N6/8/8/K6B w - - 0
> 1”, and playing against an engine. Unfortunately, after a few moves by both
> sides, Scid vs. PC consistently crashes (the number of moves before a crash
> seems to vary). I’ve only seen this happen when playing against UCI engines,
> because Phalanx always resigns in lost endings J.

[Scidvspc-users] Crash when playing against UCI engine from setup position

[Ralph M. <ral...@ou...>]

Hi,

 

I’m using Scid vs. PC 4.14 x64 on Windows 8.1. I’m trying to practice my
endgame play by setting up a position, e.g. “8/8/8/6k1/1N6/8/8/K6B w - - 0
1”, and playing against an engine. Unfortunately, after a few moves by both
sides, Scid vs. PC consistently crashes (the number of moves before a crash
seems to vary). I’ve only seen this happen when playing against UCI engines,
because Phalanx always resigns in lost endings :).

 

Cheers,

Ralph

 

Re: [Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

> I’ve just installed SCIDVSPC on mac Yosemite : No problem all is Ok.
> Many thanks Steve for this new version.
>
> As we talked previously, it should be great to work on a better behavior of the windows on Mac.
>
> I tried to play with : tactics  and tactic game -> control windows disappear after the first move, I need to resize SCID to see it again, did I do something wrong ?

Mac does have some focus niggles that Linux and Windows don't.
The control window (and all undocked windows) can be raised by
pressing the "Raise Windows" button (right most button in the main
buttonbar).
Additionally, OS X has a feature you may not now about. Click and hold
down on the docked Scid icon. After a while a menu will appear that
shows all submenus of Scid, from which you may select the tacgame
control window.

 Kevin wrote

 > To get the focus back to the window I have to move the mouse
pointer off the current window and then back onto it.

Yes... ScidvsPC does really a little heavily on having focus on the main board,
and OS X focus is hard to pin down. Perhaps i can extend the scope of
some shortcut keys, but it needs thorough testing.

cheers.

Re: [Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[Igor S. M. <jos...@gm...>]

Kevin Taylor <kev...@gm...> writes:

> The only window issue I have on Mac is that the window focus often
> disappears when using keyboard shortcuts, for instance when entering
> moves. To get the focus back to the window I have to move the mouse
> pointer off the current window and then back onto it.
>
> This behavior is pre-4.14. I haven't installed 4.14 yet.

I have the impression, this is really a problem of the graphic library
Tk-tcl. Or am I wrong?

Re: [Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[Kevin T. <kev...@gm...>]

The only window issue I have on Mac is that the window focus often
disappears when using keyboard shortcuts, for instance when entering moves.
To get the focus back to the window I have to move the mouse pointer off
the current window and then back onto it.

This behavior is pre-4.14. I haven't installed 4.14 yet.
On Apr 9, 2015 3:50 AM, "Haueter Patrick" <pat...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’ve just installed SCIDVSPC on mac Yosemite : No problem all is Ok.
> Many thanks Steve for this new version.
>
> As we talked previously, it should be great to work on a better behavior
> of the windows on Mac.
>
> I tried to play with : tactics  and tactic game -> control windows
> disappear after the first move, I need to resize SCID to see it again, did
> I do something wrong ?
>
> Do all mac users meet the same difficulties ?
>
> Cheers.
>
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[Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[Haueter P. <pat...@gm...>]

Hi all,

I’ve just installed SCIDVSPC on mac Yosemite : No problem all is Ok.
Many thanks Steve for this new version.

As we talked previously, it should be great to work on a better behavior of the windows on Mac.

I tried to play with : tactics  and tactic game -> control windows disappear after the first move, I need to resize SCID to see it again, did I do something wrong ?

Do all mac users meet the same difficulties ?

Cheers.

Re: [Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[David H. <da...@ne...>]

Have just install SCID vs PC v4.14 on Ubuntu 14.10.

Installed flawlessly, and immediately I notice the much clearer pieces
on the screen. Two quick games on FICS, and can see the close button
for games graph.

Now going to learn how to enter all my Over the board games into a
database for analysis and long term recording.

Thank you
Dave

Thank you.

On 4 April 2015 at 10:04, Steve A <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> Here are the 4.14 release candidates and changelog. (if some of the
> links are bad, just have a look in the project files section)
>
> I'm keen on the new Tree Mask usability improvements. They're kindof
> modest, but make using it much easier, and i'll probably have a go at
> making a proper opening mask/repetoire even.
> Tactical game (Updated Phalanx) is a real challenge now, and piece
> dragging in the setup board is a no-brainer that should have been done
> 10 years ago. The End-position only addition to the material search is
> handy too.
>
> Steven
>
> source - http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/source/scid_vs_pc-4.14.tgz/download
>
> windows - http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows/Scid%20vs%20PC-4.14.exe/download
>
> windows 64 bit -
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows-64bit/Scid%20vs%20PC-4.14.x64.exe/download
>
> mac - http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/mac/ScidvsMac-4.14.dmg/download
>
> Changes:
>
> Tree Mask
> Mask auto-load option
> Automatically add move to mask instead of showing silly error message.
> Holding Control while opening the Mask context menu
> (marker/nags/color) adds a marker to the whole line (etc).
> Make Mask moves easier to see, and tweak menus.
>
> Board Setup
> Enable piece dragging
> Flip the setup board if main is flipped.
> Make 'Clear Setup board' have Kings.
>
> Searches
> Add End-Position-Only option to Material Search.
> Knight+Bishop sanity check was wrong, and we werent saving
> Knight+Bishop joint totals in saved searches.
> Tweak the other-base combobox in Board Search.
>
> Fics
> Double clicking an observed game makes it your primary game (number is
> shown as bold)
> Refine Offer Graph layout (most games are short), and add a close
> button (previously was only escape key)
> New 'Censor' button (+censor opponent)
> Add a show/hide buttons feature
> Control+Wheelmouse alters Fics console font size.
> Only save games a few moves long.
>
> Computer Tournament
> Automatically adjudicate in simple cases of insufficient material.
> Make the window more ergonomic
> Fix ponder not working with non-standard starts.
>
> Game Information
> Comments now have their own line, and move some infos to the Statusbar
> When Gameinfo is hidden, make the mini Player Names clickable.
>
> Book Tuning
> Add/Remove Line features
> Clicking on Book Tuning next move (in yellow) moves forward.
> Bugfix - truncate the polyglot books when using Remove Move.
>
> Score Graph
> Remove the errant rounding up of +10 to +11 in y-axis, and raise
> border over graph bars
> Add backGround colour to graphs
> Middle button pops up the game position for any move.
>
> Other
> New Portuguese translation from R. Silva (martinus at FICS)
> Update to Phalanx XXIV. The Tactical Game feature is a proper challenge now.
> Place Best Games window beside Tree window (in docking mode).
> Playerinfo: still show Bio info (if available) when there are no games
> in database.
> Automatically add the final move if adding a var at game end with the
> AddVar button
> Minor improvements for html/html+javascript Game Exports
> Set filter to deleted games prior to compacting game file.
>
> Documentation
> Document how to alter the Game List fields
> Update OS X build notes.
> Update chess960 patch (no code changes), and document known issues.
>
> General Bug-fixes
> Xboard engine annotation was ignoring 'Use Book'.
> Correspondence chess tls/encryption bugfix (Alexander)
> Properly flip comment editor board (if applicable) and other tweaks
> 'Find Best Move' feature was broke
> When saving game, throw error for badly formed extra tags (instead of
> silently discarding).
> When adding a var to end of game, make sure to auto enter *this*
> variation, in case of vars already existing
> Exit trial mode when changing bases.
> Gamelist sort confirmation column-name was not translated.
> Change move overwrite behaviour of eco browser and Opening Table moves.
> Remove superfluous padding from OS X aqua theme
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[Igor S. M. <jos...@gm...>]

Steve A <ste...@gm...> writes:

> Here are the 4.14 release candidates and changelog. (if some of the
> links are bad, just have a look in the project files section)

thanks!

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Re: [Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[Steve S. <li...@da...>]

Wow Steven, what a release.  Bravo.  Thank you for taking Scid forward.

I'll test the Mac version in the next 24 hours.

All the best.

[Scidvspc-users] ScidvsPC 4.14

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

Here are the 4.14 release candidates and changelog. (if some of the
links are bad, just have a look in the project files section)

I'm keen on the new Tree Mask usability improvements. They're kindof
modest, but make using it much easier, and i'll probably have a go at
making a proper opening mask/repetoire even.
Tactical game (Updated Phalanx) is a real challenge now, and piece
dragging in the setup board is a no-brainer that should have been done
10 years ago. The End-position only addition to the material search is
handy too.

Steven

source - http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/source/scid_vs_pc-4.14.tgz/download

windows - http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows/Scid%20vs%20PC-4.14.exe/download

windows 64 bit -
http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows-64bit/Scid%20vs%20PC-4.14.x64.exe/download

mac - http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/mac/ScidvsMac-4.14.dmg/download

Changes:

Tree Mask
Mask auto-load option
Automatically add move to mask instead of showing silly error message.
Holding Control while opening the Mask context menu
(marker/nags/color) adds a marker to the whole line (etc).
Make Mask moves easier to see, and tweak menus.

Board Setup
Enable piece dragging
Flip the setup board if main is flipped.
Make 'Clear Setup board' have Kings.

Searches
Add End-Position-Only option to Material Search.
Knight+Bishop sanity check was wrong, and we werent saving
Knight+Bishop joint totals in saved searches.
Tweak the other-base combobox in Board Search.

Fics
Double clicking an observed game makes it your primary game (number is
shown as bold)
Refine Offer Graph layout (most games are short), and add a close
button (previously was only escape key)
New 'Censor' button (+censor opponent)
Add a show/hide buttons feature
Control+Wheelmouse alters Fics console font size.
Only save games a few moves long.

Computer Tournament
Automatically adjudicate in simple cases of insufficient material.
Make the window more ergonomic
Fix ponder not working with non-standard starts.

Game Information
Comments now have their own line, and move some infos to the Statusbar
When Gameinfo is hidden, make the mini Player Names clickable.

Book Tuning
Add/Remove Line features
Clicking on Book Tuning next move (in yellow) moves forward.
Bugfix - truncate the polyglot books when using Remove Move.

Score Graph
Remove the errant rounding up of +10 to +11 in y-axis, and raise
border over graph bars
Add backGround colour to graphs
Middle button pops up the game position for any move.

Other
New Portuguese translation from R. Silva (martinus at FICS)
Update to Phalanx XXIV. The Tactical Game feature is a proper challenge now.
Place Best Games window beside Tree window (in docking mode).
Playerinfo: still show Bio info (if available) when there are no games
in database.
Automatically add the final move if adding a var at game end with the
AddVar button
Minor improvements for html/html+javascript Game Exports
Set filter to deleted games prior to compacting game file.

Documentation
Document how to alter the Game List fields
Update OS X build notes.
Update chess960 patch (no code changes), and document known issues.

General Bug-fixes
Xboard engine annotation was ignoring 'Use Book'.
Correspondence chess tls/encryption bugfix (Alexander)
Properly flip comment editor board (if applicable) and other tweaks
'Find Best Move' feature was broke
When saving game, throw error for badly formed extra tags (instead of
silently discarding).
When adding a var to end of game, make sure to auto enter *this*
variation, in case of vars already existing
Exit trial mode when changing bases.
Gamelist sort confirmation column-name was not translated.
Change move overwrite behaviour of eco browser and Opening Table moves.
Remove superfluous padding from OS X aqua theme

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Portuguese Language

[Valente S. <gu...@ne...>]

Hello I am using Windows 7

I found: Scid vs PC-4.13/bin/lang/portbr.tcl

I did open it and I am already editing it with WordPad. Is this correct?

Language used in Portugal and Brazil differ more in oral language than 
in text and more in popular/informal language than in technical, 
academic language. When we consider the text in chess books it can be 
hard to tell if it was published/translated in Portugal or Brazil. I 
have the Brazilian Edition of the Smyslov 125 best games (a true gem, 
let me say) and one can hardly extract the tropical flavour of its language.

I see that, for some reason, the Portuguese Brazilian translation don't 
use the accented characters of the language: It write Opcoes in place of 
Opções and Posicao in place of Posição. But I see that French and 
Spanish translations (two languages I know perfectly well, having 
studied French for seven years...) use the accented characters with 
absolute no trouble: posición, información (Spanish), fenêtre, pièce 
(French). I will use the accented characters (by the Grammar). So, since 
I don't want to change too much the Brazil Portuguese version and I am 
not Brazilian myself I will do a Portuguese version.

When I get the file done (port.tcl) I will send it to Steve A e-mail 
address.

Best Regards

Silva (martinus)

On 17-03-2015 20:23, Steve A wrote:
>> I could do a Portuguese language translation, or just revise the
>> Brazilian Portuguese if that is not being cared about. If there is
>> enough interest in it and I get the instructions and it is not too
>> technically demanding. I would prefer to be anonymous translator
>> ("martinus" at FICS).
> That would be great. I don't know about the differences in the languages,
> so you are welcome to update the existing one (which hasn't been done
> for a long time), or make a new one - whichever you prefer.
>
> It's probably easiest if you just alter tcl/lang/portbr.tcl with your
> changes, then i will commit them, or create a new translation from
> your file (if you think this is best).
>
> thanks, S.
>
>

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Portuguese Language

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

> I could do a Portuguese language translation, or just revise the
> Brazilian Portuguese if that is not being cared about. If there is
> enough interest in it and I get the instructions and it is not too
> technically demanding. I would prefer to be anonymous translator
> ("martinus" at FICS).

That would be great. I don't know about the differences in the languages,
so you are welcome to update the existing one (which hasn't been done
for a long time), or make a new one - whichever you prefer.

It's probably easiest if you just alter tcl/lang/portbr.tcl with your
changes, then i will commit them, or create a new translation from
your file (if you think this is best).

thanks, S.

[Scidvspc-users] Portuguese Language

[Valente S. <gu...@ne...>]

I could do a Portuguese language translation, or just revise the 
Brazilian Portuguese if that is not being cared about. If there is 
enough interest in it and I get the instructions and it is not too 
technically demanding. I would prefer to be anonymous translator 
("martinus" at FICS). I am a teacher since 1989, I know the language 
enough. Portuguese, I mean...

Re: [Scidvspc-users] About Mask

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

Valente wrote

>  I see Mask as being one of the most original and
> interesting Scid features. I would let it stay in tree window where it
> belongs (same place where something of the kind exist in Shredder Chess and Sigma Chess).

It is definitely easiest to leave it as-is, and i havent thought up a
decent alternative.

> By now, there is just one thing I would like to see
> improved in the Mask, that is the ability to have my chosen Mask
> opening automatically very time I open a tree.

Ok. In subversion there is a new option Tree->Options->Auto Load Mask
which will load the most recent mask file.

Mark wrote:

> I think a lot of people have spent a lot of time struggling with the old
> repertoire and mask features trying to get something like Chess
> Position Trainer functionality out of the various SCIDs over the years,
> without much success. Here are some thoughts about how this might
> be approached in a totally different way...
.....
> The difficult part is that this would require a whole new interface
> window that borrows features from the existing Tree

Hmm - we already have tree and book (which some people use as a
quickie mask/repertoire) windows, so wont be creating yet another one.

I am pretty sure i want to add the functionality of the (recently
added) Book Tuning "Add Line to Book" feature, as "Add Line to Mask."
but am not quite sure how/when.

cheers

[Scidvspc-users] Thoughts on saving repertoires

[Mark G. <mgo...@gm...>]

I think a lot of people have spent a lot of time struggling with the old 
repertoire and mask features trying to get something like Chess Position 
Trainer functionality out of the various SCIDs over the years, without 
much success. Here are some thoughts about how this might be approached 
in a totally different way.

SCIDvsPC already has the ability to apply the tree from one database to 
the games of another. So, you don't actually need a special repertoire 
or mask file. To get the same effect, you just need a database that 
contains only the repertoire lines.

You could almost do this now but creating such a "database of lines" is 
a pain. It looks like this should be easy when you first look at the 
Tree window but it isn't. The speed of the Tree Window contributes to 
this impression because it makes it look like the tree is persistent 
data rather than calculated on the fly.

The first obstacle everyone encounters is that the tree window isn't 
editable - you can't add and delete moves ('prune the tree') directly. 
The second problem is that as you browse the Tree, you can't see 
comments and NAGs at the current position because only one game is 
loaded at a time.

My suggestion would be to create a special database that holds only 
moves, comments and NAGs. Even the usual PGN headers are irrelevant as 
we are not storing real games, just lines. Similarly, there is no need 
for variations - each line is stored as a separate game. At any given 
position when the user adds a move, check if we are at the end of an 
existing game/line - if so append the move and save. If not, 
automatically create a new game that includes the moves to this point 
and then adds the new move and saves. Transpositions are irrelevant as 
the tree effectively hides this anyway.

The important point is that this is still just a regular SCID base but 
you are exploiting the speed of the Tree functionality to make it look 
like something quite different. This "Repertoire" could have a special 
extension to prevent it being opened as a regular database even though 
it really is just a simple DB.

The difficult part is that this would require a whole new interface 
window that borrows features from the existing Tree, PGN and Comments 
windows. You would need to create an "Edit Repertoire Tree" window that 
would allow the user to step forwards and backwards through the "tree" 
and display/edit moves, comments and NAGs at the current position. It 
would also need to provide the ability to add and delete moves. You 
don't need to show any of the statistics from the current tree window, 
nor do you need to show a game list.

[Scidvspc-users] About Mask

[Valente S. <gu...@ne...>]

Hello all. Thank you for Scid vs PC. I am chess amateur since 1978 (I am 
"martinus" on FICS), don't have programming skill, just a lot of 
practice with chess software since the 1980's. I did subscribe to say a 
word about "Mask". I see Mask as being one of the most original and 
interesting Scid features. I would let it stay in tree window where it 
belongs (same place where something of the kind exist in Shredder Chess 
and Sigma Chess). By now, there is just one thing I would like to see 
improved in the Mask, that is the ability to have my chosen Mask opening 
automatically very time I open a tree.

Best Regads,

Valente Silva (martinus)

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Windows beta Feb2015

[Ralph M. <ral...@ou...>]

Is there also a 64-bit version for us to try out?

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve A [mailto:ste...@gm...] 
Sent: 26 February 2015 10:19 AM
To: scidvspc-users
Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Windows beta Feb2015

This is Scid vs. PC windows beta (subversion revision 2183) To use it,
overwrite scid.exe and scid.gui over the same files in you current
32 bit windows Scid vs. PC-4.13 installation.
Non-english users will also have to overwrite the language files.

Steve

http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows-beta/scidvspc_rev-218
3.zip/download

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[Scidvspc-users] Windows beta Feb2015

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

This is Scid vs. PC windows beta (subversion revision 2183)
To use it, overwrite scid.exe and scid.gui over the same files in you current
32 bit windows Scid vs. PC-4.13 installation.
Non-english users will also have to overwrite the language files.

Steve

http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows-beta/scidvspc_rev-2183.zip/download

[Scidvspc-users] Book and mask suggestions ?

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

I've made some improvements to the book tuning feature in subversion.
There are now "Add Line" and "Remove Line" buttons.
"Add Line" then requests Add All/White/Black moves.

To anyone interested in this, and possible tree mask improvements,
maybe check out this forum.

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55452

cheers, Steven