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Re: [Scidvspc-users] July beta, PGN export changes

[Gregor C. <re...@gm...>]

I've implemented the PGN export extensions because it is required for
writing proper PGN files. (Also later this extension will be used to write
C/CIF archives). I think that a more detailed description about the problem
and the solution of this problem is helpful:

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The actual database version 4.0 of Scid has still some weakness concerning the
internationalization, the data (player name, site name, event name, comments
inside move data, etc.) might be stored with any character set encoding,
depending on the following situations:

1. Older Linux/Unix distributions are installed with Latin-1 encoding as
default, and the strings has been stored with Latin-1 character set because
older Tcl libraries did not support Unicode.

2. Newer Linux/Unix distributions are installed with UTF-8 encoding as
default, this means that all strings will be stored with UTF-8 encoding.

3. Many applications have produced PGN files with unsuitable character
encodings (including Scid), it is not seldom that a PGN file has extended ASCII
(CP850 for example), or it is UTF-8 encoded, but without a leading UTF-8 BOM.
While importing PGN files Scid is interpreting the content as system encoded,
and this may result in defect encodings in such cases. Often the text content
of these games cannot be displayed correctly.

4. In some older databases the data was stored with Latin-1, and has changed 
in newer games to UTF-8 because of an upgrade of the Tcl library version.
The database is now a mix of different encodings.

5. The import of PGN files is interpreting Latin-1 as UTF-8, thus all data will
be stored as Latin-1 encoded.

6. Older Windoze versions have stored CP1252 encoded data, but newer Windoze
versions are storing UTF-8 (depending on the Tcl library version).

This has an impact on the export of PGN files, quite often the written data is
not properly Latin-1 encoded, and this is a violation of the PGN standard.
Moreover the Latin-1 character set can be unsuitable, for example when
exporting Russian comments to PGN with Latin-1 encoding the content will be
unreadable, in this case an export to UTF-8 is required. (PGN files with
UTF-8 encoding are not conform to the PGN standard, but ChessBase has
introduced the UTF-8 encoding with a leading UTF-8 BOM at the start of the file
 to mark the file content as UTF-8. This is now a de-facto standard, most
modern chess applications are supporting this extension.)

The newer version of Scid vs PC has introduced some enhancements for a proper
PGN export:

1. The user can choose between Latin-1 and UTF-8 encoding. Latin-1 will be in
general preferred, but in some cases, for example if exporting content with
Russian content, Latin-1 is unsuitable and UTF-8 should be used instead.

2. The export will be done with the use of a character set detector. This
detector tries to detect the character set of the exported text and is
converting the content either to Latin-1 or UTF-8, depending on the user's
choice. In many cases this detector is even able to convert the result of
defect encodings into a proper character set.

Please note that English -speaking countries are in general not affected by
these problems, the English characters are embedded in Latin-1, and thus also
in UTF-8, but nearly the rest of the world is affected.
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Gregor

[Scidvspc-users] July beta, PGN export changes

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

Here is a 32 bit windows beta.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows-beta/scidvspc_rev-2317.zip/download

There are a couple of new features.. The gamelist now has adjustable
column order, using a context menu similar to SCID, but also with
differences.
(One thing i still havent implemented is drag and drop column
re-ordering. The treeview widget (still) doesnt support it properly,
and i can't see the point of writing ugly code to implement it in a
half-baked fashion. )

A bigger feature change is that PGN export is now to Latin1 or UTF
encoding (see here -
http://scidvspc.sourceforge.net/doc/Encoding.htm
This feature has not been tested much, and not on Windows at all.
A simple litmus test is that exporting a database and reimporting it
should throw no errors, and have the same number of games.

Gregor Cramer (http://scidb.sf.net/) wrote/adopted this code. At least
partly because it is a stepping stone to including CCIF support for
Scidb and Scid, which is a replacement of sorts for PGN, and something
he is keen on. http://ccif.sourceforge.net/

If you find any bugs with this new export, please try to isolate the
database game into a new database and send it to Gregor (or me).
(NB - there may be minor character changes for unusual chars, but
nothing too ugly should happen. See
http://scidvspc.sourceforge.net/doc/Encoding.htm for a better
explanation.)

The full subversion change log is here
https://sourceforge.net/p/scidvspc/code/2317/log/?path=

cheers, S.A.

[Scidvspc-users] Copyright infringement

[Fulvio <fb...@li...>]

I have noticed this:
http://sourceforge.net/p/scidvspc/code/2313/

I think I've repeated this at least a million times:
when copying or deriving from GPL code the original copyright statement 
_must_ be included.

Please add a 2 line comment:
# 2015/02/26: Derived from Scid's gamelist.tcl
# Copyright (C) 2011-2014 Fulvio Benini

as soon as possible.
Fulvio

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Spellcheck

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

<mat...@ya...> wrote:

> I think I have figured it out. I was testing spellcheck in a very large
> base. Because of the 2000 issue, it would not get to 'D', so it wouldn't
> fix DeFirmian.
>

Ok - I have removed the 2000 limit and made spellchecks interruptible.

BTW, Franz had not even updated Magnus as the new world champ!
Here (hopefully) is the URL for the updated spelling file. Try
right-clicking and save-as
https://sourceforge.net/p/scidvspc/code/2303/tree//spelling.ssp

Steve

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Spellcheck

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

> I would caution against not correcting Le Quang Liem >> Le, Quang Liem,

Maybe it *is* best to go along with Twic conventions.
But Franz's 2015 spelling.ssp does indeed make this correction anyway.

BTW, i have patched his 2015 spelling and it is now in our subversion as
spelling.ssp.
Also in subversion, is updated/correct handling of FIDE's player rating
data (contained in Franz's ratings.ssp) which is used by ScidvsPC's
maintenance->AddPlayerRatings feature.
This hadn't been working *accurately* for data newer than 2012,
when FIDE started releasing ratings more often than bimonthly.

S.A.






On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Matthew Larson <
mat...@ya...> wrote:

> I would caution against not correcting Le Quang Liem >> Le, Quang Liem,
> even if it objectively correct. It seems as though, even if incorrect,
> Ding, Liren, for example, is the convention in the chess world. For
> example, TWIC pgns use this style. For this reason, if spellcheck is going
> to consider Le Quang Liem correct, then it would be important to change Le,
> Quang Liem >> Le Quang Liem, at least to make delete twin games work
> correctly. I’m not sure how one would determine if a name should be written
> in the Chinese style or the western style. Checking if federation is CHN or
> VIE (or maybe other countries) wouldn’t work, as there are people with
> western-style names in China and people with Chinese-style names in other
> countries. It also wouldn’t work to check if the last name is among the
> 10,000 most common Chinese surnames, as there are people like the american
> player Joshua Mu, where Mu, Joshua is better than Mu Joshua. I think it is
> better to leave this as it is.
> Thanks,
> Matthew Larson
>
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Steve A <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>
> >>> I am interested in manually improving the spelling.ssp file. I created
> my reference database by importing every pgn I could find into one base,
> and then using spellcheck and delete twin games to get rid of duplicates. I
> have noticed that spellcheck does not correct some East Asian names (e.g.
> Le Quang Liem does not go to Le, Quang Liem) and hyphenated or names with
> spaces in them (e.g. DeFirmian, Nick does not got to De Firmian, Nick).
> Although I wouldn’t be able to find everything like this, I could correct
> the spelling.ssp file when I run into something like this (by finding a
> duplicate game not deleted because the names are different).
>
> Yah - improving our spelling correction is on the todo list. But i'm not
> sure if the spelling file is too bad. Franz has just released a new version
> of it (which i patch a little for release with ScidvsPC).
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Player%20Data/Latest%20data/
>
> Re not adding a comma to Asian names, i found this on wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_name
>   "According to the Chicago Manual of Style, Chinese names are indexed by
> the family name with *no inversion and no comma*"
> I am not familiar if (for eg) Vietnamese names follow a similiar
> convention.
>
> Do you/anyone have any other issues with spelling.ssp ?
>
> We *do* need a list of improvements to be done to improve our spell
> checker (I probably would leave chinese names without a comma). Things that
> come to mind are names with a comma but no space, and name capitalisation.
>
> > I think I have discovered what seems to be a more important issue. It
> seems as though ScidvsMac is not able to correct more than 2000 names at a
> time. So, when I run spellcheck player names on my reference database, it
> detects 260,000 corrections, but when I hit Make corrections it only
> corrects 2000 times.
>
> Yes - this need investigating/addressing. I was not aware of it.
>
> > The spellcheck feature works beautifully, except that it doesn't remove
> (wh) and (bl) at the end of the player name, which could be fixed easily by
> adding a %Suffix " (wh)" "" line.
>
> Sounds reasonable, though i have never seen these used myself.
>
> Steven
>
>
>

[Scidvspc-users] Blunder analysis/annotation

[Valente S. <gu...@ne...>]

Hello all

I am not sure if this bug was already reported or not, so let's go.

When doing blunder analysis/annotation, one goes to "configure 
annotation". Now if we select "Add score --> Blunder/Not best" and "Add 
Variation --> When move is a blunder", what happens is that in the first 
blunder, comparative scores are not displayed (comparing the score after 
the blunder and after the best move available), that is done in 
subsequent blunders. To have the comparative scores in the first blunder 
one have to select "Add score --> All moves".

I would take the opportunity of writing this report to note what could 
be, in my view, the most useful new feature for Scid vs. PC. That would 
be to manage the users rating obtaining it from his games with UCI 
engines that can set the elo rating (ones like Arasan, Spike, etc). Regards.

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Spellcheck

[Matthew L. <mat...@ya...>]

I would caution against not correcting Le Quang Liem >> Le, Quang Liem, even if it objectively correct. It seems as though, even if incorrect, Ding, Liren, for example, is the convention in the chess world. For example, TWIC pgns use this style. For this reason, if spellcheck is going to consider Le Quang Liem correct, then it would be important to change Le, Quang Liem >> Le Quang Liem, at least to make delete twin games work correctly. I’m not sure how one would determine if a name should be written in the Chinese style or the western style. Checking if federation is CHN or VIE (or maybe other countries) wouldn’t work, as there are people with western-style names in China and people with Chinese-style names in other countries. It also wouldn’t work to check if the last name is among the 10,000 most common Chinese surnames, as there are people like the american player Joshua Mu, where Mu, Joshua is better than Mu Joshua. I think it is better to leave this as it is. 
Thanks,
Matthew Larson



> On Jun 12, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Steve A <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> 
> >>> I am interested in manually improving the spelling.ssp file. I created my reference database by importing every pgn I could find into one base, and then using spellcheck and delete twin games to get rid of duplicates. I have noticed that spellcheck does not correct some East Asian names (e.g. Le Quang Liem does not go to Le, Quang Liem) and hyphenated or names with spaces in them (e.g. DeFirmian, Nick does not got to De Firmian, Nick). Although I wouldn’t be able to find everything like this, I could correct the spelling.ssp file when I run into something like this (by finding a duplicate game not deleted because the names are different).
> 
> Yah - improving our spelling correction is on the todo list. But i'm not sure if the spelling file is too bad. Franz has just released a new version of it (which i patch a little for release with ScidvsPC).
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Player%20Data/Latest%20data/ <https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Player%20Data/Latest%20data/>
> 
> Re not adding a comma to Asian names, i found this on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_name <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_name>
>   "According to the Chicago Manual of Style, Chinese names are indexed by the family name with no inversion and no comma"
> I am not familiar if (for eg) Vietnamese names follow a similiar convention.
> 
> Do you/anyone have any other issues with spelling.ssp ?
> 
> We *do* need a list of improvements to be done to improve our spell checker (I probably would leave chinese names without a comma). Things that come to mind are names with a comma but no space, and name capitalisation.
> 
> > I think I have discovered what seems to be a more important issue. It seems as though ScidvsMac is not able to correct more than 2000 names at a time. So, when I run spellcheck player names on my reference database, it detects 260,000 corrections, but when I hit Make corrections it only corrects 2000 times.
> 
> Yes - this need investigating/addressing. I was not aware of it.
> 
> > The spellcheck feature works beautifully, except that it doesn't remove (wh) and (bl) at the end of the player name, which could be fixed easily by adding a %Suffix " (wh)" "" line.
> 
> Sounds reasonable, though i have never seen these used myself.
> 
> Steven

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Spellcheck

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

>>> I am interested in manually improving the spelling.ssp file. I created
my reference database by importing every pgn I could find into one base,
and then using spellcheck and delete twin games to get rid of duplicates. I
have noticed that spellcheck does not correct some East Asian names (e.g.
Le Quang Liem does not go to Le, Quang Liem) and hyphenated or names with
spaces in them (e.g. DeFirmian, Nick does not got to De Firmian, Nick).
Although I wouldn’t be able to find everything like this, I could correct
the spelling.ssp file when I run into something like this (by finding a
duplicate game not deleted because the names are different).

Yah - improving our spelling correction is on the todo list. But i'm not
sure if the spelling file is too bad. Franz has just released a new version
of it (which i patch a little for release with ScidvsPC).
https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Player%20Data/Latest%20data/

Re not adding a comma to Asian names, i found this on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_name
  "According to the Chicago Manual of Style, Chinese names are indexed by
the family name with *no inversion and no comma*"
I am not familiar if (for eg) Vietnamese names follow a similiar convention.

Do you/anyone have any other issues with spelling.ssp ?

We *do* need a list of improvements to be done to improve our spell checker
(I probably would leave chinese names without a comma). Things that come to
mind are names with a comma but no space, and name capitalisation.

> I think I have discovered what seems to be a more important issue. It
seems as though ScidvsMac is not able to correct more than 2000 names at a
time. So, when I run spellcheck player names on my reference database, it
detects 260,000 corrections, but when I hit Make corrections it only
corrects 2000 times.

Yes - this need investigating/addressing. I was not aware of it.

> The spellcheck feature works beautifully, except that it doesn't remove
(wh) and (bl) at the end of the player name, which could be fixed easily by
adding a %Suffix " (wh)" "" line.

Sounds reasonable, though i have never seen these used myself.

Steven

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Spellcheck

[Matthew L. <mat...@ya...>]

I think I have figured it out. I was testing spellcheck in a very large base. Because of the 2000 issue, it would not get to 'D', so it wouldn't fix DeFirmian. The spellcheck feature works beautifully, except that it doesn't remove (wh) and (bl) at the end of the player name, which could be fixed easily by adding a %Suffix " (wh)" "" line. 

Sorry to spam. 

Thanks,
Matthew Larson.

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Matthew Larson <mat...@ya...> wrote:
> 
> I think I have discovered what seems to be a more important issue. It seems as though ScidvsMac is not able to correct more than 2000 names at a time. So, when I run spellcheck player names on my reference database, it detects 260,000 corrections, but when I hit Make corrections it only corrects 2000 times. 
> Thanks,
> Matthew Larson
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Matthew Larson <mat...@ya...> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am interested in manually improving the spelling.ssp file. I created my reference database by importing every pgn I could find into one base, and then using spellcheck and delete twin games to get rid of duplicates. I have noticed that spellcheck does not correct some East Asian names (e.g. Le Quang Liem does not go to Le, Quang Liem) and hyphenated or names with spaces in them (e.g. DeFirmian, Nick does not got to De Firmian, Nick). Although I wouldn’t be able to find everything like this, I could correct the spelling.ssp file when I run into something like this (by finding a duplicate game not deleted because the names are different). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Matthew Larson
> 

Re: [Scidvspc-users] What Does FIDE Title "-" in Header Search Mean?

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

The "-" represents untitled players. All these FIDE Title buttons are
on by default, though it's a little confusing.

I've changed the "-" to "None" , added a help button and tweaked the
help topics for the header search.

S.

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Bennett A. Joseph
<ben...@gm...> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Could someone please tell me what selecting the "-" buttons does in the
> Header Search window beside "White FIDE" and "Black FIDE"?  The Header
> searches help file does not have information about them. I've tried to
> discern their behavior by trial and error but so far I'm unsuccessful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bennett
>
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Problem with open recent base

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

> I migrated from original Scid a little bit ago. This is a fantastic project. However, I have noticed an issues while using the OS X version for 4.14.
> Open recent (at the bottom of the file menu) works a little strangely. The 6th-10th most recently opened bases are hidden by the arrow, but they are number 1-5 rather than 6-10. More importantly, the arrow will not work for a while after clicking somewhere else one the menu. For example, I am not able to use open recent to open both the 6th and 7th most recently used base. After opening the 6th, hovering over the arrow won’t do anything. Clicking else on the menu also appears to incapacitate the arrow.

Thanks Matthew. That's a little bug in our oldish  version of OS X Tcl/Tk
which I can't seem to work around it. (You *can* actually get around
it by clicking on the finder (or another app), then going back to
Scid)

I have made a few little changes to the file history though. (in subversion)
- Try to catch silly "Base is already open" popup errors, removed the
non-working number prefixes from the second menu, and tweaked up the
Open-as-Tree history.

Cheers, Steven

[Scidvspc-users] What Does FIDE Title "-" in Header Search Mean?

[Bennett A. J. <ben...@gm...>]

Hello all,

Could someone please tell me what selecting the "-" buttons does in the 
Header Search window beside "White FIDE" and "Black FIDE"?  The Header 
searches help file does not have information about them. I've tried to 
discern their behavior by trial and error but so far I'm unsuccessful.

Thanks,

Bennett

[Scidvspc-users] Problem with open recent base

[Matthew L. <mat...@ya...>]

I migrated from original Scid a little bit ago. This is a fantastic project. However, I have noticed an issues while using the OS X version for 4.14.
Open recent (at the bottom of the file menu) works a little strangely. The 6th-10th most recently opened bases are hidden by the arrow, but they are number 1-5 rather than 6-10. More importantly, the arrow will not work for a while after clicking somewhere else one the menu. For example, I am not able to use open recent to open both the 6th and 7th most recently used base. After opening the 6th, hovering over the arrow won’t do anything. Clicking else on the menu also appears to incapacitate the arrow.

Thanks,
Matthew Larson

[Scidvspc-users] Database compaction failure (MS Windows)

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

On windows, sometimes people have complained that they can't compact a
database. I had never seen it until this week, and after a fair bit of
hair pulling, i found the problem. It's due to having a chess engine
open !

Windows has less sophisticated file handling than Unix, and opening a
base, and then an engine, means the engine will prevent removal of the
old si4 file during compaction.

I have written some checks to enforce this (in subversion)
but since 4.15 is not coming out soon - for the moment the work around
is to close all engines first.

Steve

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 5

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

Steve that sounds great, will check it out today after work. Can't wait to
see it, both the hack and the feature.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 18:16:46 +1000
> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
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> Hmm - Maksim's request is reasonable one. Attached is a hack/patch to
> do it. Patch is also in subversion source (in patches directory).
> .... But i don't know about having an "always load last game" option.
> At the moment i might leave it as-is. One can always hit the "load
> last game" button in the toolbar or gamelist., or press control-end
> like Valente said.
>
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> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 4
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> I was anticipating someone saying that, it must be obligatory. I was making
> a point about a feature, not judging the cost for value or effort of
> scidvspc. While we are disclosing it though, thanks to all the
> contributors.
> On May 4, 2015 10:34 PM, <sci...@li...>
> wrote:
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> >    1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 (Maksim Grinman)
> >    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 (Alan Whiteman)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 20:23:19 -0400
> > From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
> > To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
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> > Got this from Steve Steinitz (li...@da...):
> >
> > > Hey man, I don?t have the original thread - I seem to only get the
> > digest, despite my settings otherwise, and so can't reply to the specific
> > thread.  Sorry.  That said, its unlikely anything will get done in either
> > case.
> > >
> > > Feel free to cite my support - the old-on-top sorting is useless at
> best.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> > > I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> > > want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> > > now, I don't remember this being a problem there. Chessbase thought
> > > about what users want, and got this part right.
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > wrote:
> > >> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> > >> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> > >> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> > >> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> > >> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> > >> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> > >> important.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
> > >> <sci...@li...> wrote:
> > >>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
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> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
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> > >>>
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> > >>> Today's Topics:
> > >>>
> > >>>    1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Message: 1
> > >>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
> > >>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> > >>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> > >>> Message-ID:
> > >>>         <
> > CAG...@ma...>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >>>
> > >>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you
> open a
> > >>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> > open
> > >>> with the most recent games on top?
> > >>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <
> sci...@li...>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> > >>>>         sci...@li...
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >>>>         sci...@li...
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Today's Topics:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> > >>>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 1
> > >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> > >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > >>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>         <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> > >>>> g...@ma...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> > >>>> list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 2
> > >>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> > >>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
> > >>>>         <sci...@li...>
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>         <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> > >>>> w...@ma...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> > >>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> > >>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
> > >>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not
> be
> > >>>> shown.
> > >>>> See the sort help topics.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
> > >>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> S.A.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > wrote:
> > >>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> > >>>> > list to be date desc?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 3
> > >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> > >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>         <
> > >>>> CAG...@ma...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> > >>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> > >>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where
> I
> > >>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > wrote:
> > >>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> > >>>> > list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 4
> > >>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> > >>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: sci...@li...
> > >>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> > >>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> > then
> > >>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > >>>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> > sorted
> > >>>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> > >>>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> where
> > I
> > >>>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> > >>>> >> list to be date desc?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>>> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>> > _______________________________________________
> > >>>> > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > >>>> > Sci...@li...
> > >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > >>>> Sci...@li...
> > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> > >>>> *********************************************
> > >>>>
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> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Message: 2
> > >>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
> > >>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> > >>> To: sci...@li...
> > >>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> > >>>
> > >>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
> > >>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you
> open
> > >>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it
> to
> > >>>> open with the most recent games on top?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <
> sci...@li...
> > >>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> > >>>>     sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > >>>>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>     or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >>>>     sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     You can reach the person managing the list at
> > >>>>     sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
> > specific
> > >>>>     than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Today's Topics:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> > >>>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Message: 1
> > >>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> > >>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> ma...@gm...
> > >>
> > >>>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> > >>>>     Message-ID:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> > g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
> > >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> > game
> > >>>>     list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Message: 2
> > >>>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> > >>>>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:
> ste...@gm...
> > >>
> > >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> > >>,
> > >>>>            scidvspc-users
> > >>>>             <sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> > >>>>     Message-ID:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> > w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
> > >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> > >>>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only
> databases).
> > >>>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still
> > be
> > >>>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will
> > not be
> > >>>>     shown.
> > >>>>     See the sort help topics.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload
> > the
> > >>>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     S.A.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <
> ma...@gm...
> > >>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> > >>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> > game
> > >>>>     > list to be date desc?
> > >>>>     >
> > >>>>     >
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you
> Actionable
> > >>>>     Insights
> > >>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> Insight.
> > >>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>     > _______________________________________________
> > >>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > >>>>     > Sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> > >>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Message: 3
> > >>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> > >>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> ma...@gm...
> > >>
> > >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> > >>>>     Message-ID:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     <
> > CAG...@ma...
> > <mailto:
> CAG...@ma...
> > >>
> > >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> > sorted
> > >>>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> it's a
> > >>>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> > where I
> > >>>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> > codebase).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <
> ma...@gm...
> > >>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> > >>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> > game
> > >>>>     > list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Message: 4
> > >>>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> > >>>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...
> >>
> > >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>     To: sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> > >>>>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
> > >>>>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
> > >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> > >>>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the
> list,
> > >>>>     then
> > >>>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > >>>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the
> default
> > >>>>     sorted
> > >>>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> > it's a
> > >>>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> > >>>>     where I
> > >>>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> > codebase).
> > >>>>     >
> > >>>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
> > >>>>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> > >>>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly
> opened
> > game
> > >>>>     >> list to be date desc?
> > >>>>     >
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you
> Actionable
> > >>>>     Insights
> > >>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> Insight.
> > >>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>     > _______________________________________________
> > >>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > >>>>     > Sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> > >>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>     >
> > >>>>     >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>     One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>     Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > >>>>     Insights
> > >>>>     Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>>>     http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     _______________________________________________
> > >>>>     Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > >>>>     Sci...@li...
> > >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> > >>>>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> > >>>>     *********************************************
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
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> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>> Sci...@li...
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
> > >>> *********************************************
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 19:21:57 -0700
> > From: Alan Whiteman <acw...@vi...>
> > Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
> > To: sci...@li...
> > Message-ID: <554...@vi...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > "Chessbase thought about what users want, and got this part right"
> >
> > Please remember that scidvspc is NOT a commercial product, but a
> > community effort by a group of dedicated programmers that have
> > volunteered their time. Solving everyone's problems isn't an easy
> > endeavor, and sometimes not even possible. You are getting a program
> > that is in the same class as Chessbase, for free!
> >
> > Let's be a bit more tolerant about the programs limitations and a bit
> > more appreciative.
> >
> >
> > On 05/04/2015 04:52 PM, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > > I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> > > want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> > > now, I don't remember this being a problem there. .
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > wrote:
> > >> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> > >> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> > >> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> > >> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> > >> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> > >> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> > >> important.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
> > >> <sci...@li...> wrote:
> > >>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> > >>>          sci...@li...
> > >>>
> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > >>>          https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >>>          sci...@li...
> > >>>
> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> > >>>          sci...@li...
> > >>>
> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > >>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Today's Topics:
> > >>>
> > >>>     1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>     2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Message: 1
> > >>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
> > >>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> > >>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> > >>> Message-ID:
> > >>>          <
> > CAG...@ma...>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >>>
> > >>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you
> open a
> > >>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> > open
> > >>> with the most recent games on top?
> > >>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <
> sci...@li...>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>     1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>     2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> > >>>>     3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>     4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 1
> > >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> > >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > >>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>          <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> > >>>> g...@ma...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> > >>>> list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 2
> > >>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> > >>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
> > >>>>          <sci...@li...>
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>          <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> > >>>> w...@ma...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> > >>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> > >>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
> > >>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not
> be
> > >>>> shown.
> > >>>> See the sort help topics.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
> > >>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> S.A.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> > >>>>> list to be date desc?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 3
> > >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> > >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>          <
> > >>>> CAG...@ma...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> > >>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> > >>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where
> I
> > >>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> > >>>>> list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 4
> > >>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> > >>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>> To: sci...@li...
> > >>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> > >>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> > then
> > >>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > >>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> > sorted
> > >>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> > >>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> where I
> > >>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> > >>>>>> list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > >>>>> Sci...@li...
> > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>> Message: 2
> > >>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
> > >>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> > >>> To: sci...@li...
> > >>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> > >>>
> > >>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
> > >>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > >>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you
> open
> > >>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it
> to
> > >>>> open with the most recent games on top?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <
> sci...@li...
> > >>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> > >>>>      sci...@li...
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> > >>>>      or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >>>>      sci...@li...
> > >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>      sci...@li...
> > >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> > >>>>
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> > specific
> > >>>>      than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Today's Topics:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>         1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>         2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> > >>>>         3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> > >>>>         4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Message: 1
> > >>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> > >>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> > ma...@gm...>>
> > >>>>      Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <
> sci...@li...
> > >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> > >>>>      Message-ID:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> > g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
> > >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> > game
> > >>>>      list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Message: 2
> > >>>>      Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> > >>>>      From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:
> ste...@gm...
> > >>
> > >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>      To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> ma...@gm...
> > >>,
> > >>>>             scidvspc-users
> > >>>>              <sci...@li...
> > >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> > >>>>      Message-ID:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> > w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
> > >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> > >>>>      (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only
> databases).
> > >>>>      If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will
> still
> > be
> > >>>>      sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will
> > not be
> > >>>>      shown.
> > >>>>      See the sort help topics.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload
> > the
> > >>>>      last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      S.A.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <
> > ma...@gm...
> > >>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> > >>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly
> opened
> > game
> > >>>>      > list to be date desc?
> > >>>>      >
> > >>>>      >
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+
> applications
> > >>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you
> Actionable
> > >>>>      Insights
> > >>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> > Insight.
> > >>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>      > _______________________________________________
> > >>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > >>>>      > Sci...@li...
> > >>>>      <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> > >>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Message: 3
> > >>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> > >>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> > ma...@gm...>>
> > >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <
> sci...@li...
> > >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> > >>>>      Message-ID:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      <
> > CAG...@ma...
> > <mailto:
> CAG...@ma...
> > >>
> > >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> > sorted
> > >>>>      descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> it's
> > a
> > >>>>      feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> > where I
> > >>>>      can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> > codebase).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <
> > ma...@gm...
> > >>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> > >>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly
> opened
> > game
> > >>>>      > list to be date desc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Message: 4
> > >>>>      Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> > >>>>      From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...
> >>
> > >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> > >>>>      To: sci...@li...
> > >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> > >>>>      Message-ID: <554...@ne...
> > >>>>      <mailto:554...@ne...>>
> > >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending
> or
> > >>>>      descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the
> > list,
> > >>>>      then
> > >>>>      up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > >>>>      > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the
> default
> > >>>>      sorted
> > >>>>      > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> > it's a
> > >>>>      > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> > >>>>      where I
> > >>>>      > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> > codebase).
> > >>>>      >
> > >>>>      > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
> > >>>>      <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> > >>>>      >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly
> > opened game
> > >>>>      >> list to be date desc?
> > >>>>      >
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+
> applications
> > >>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you
> Actionable
> > >>>>      Insights
> > >>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> > Insight.
> > >>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>      > _______________________________________________
> > >>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
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> > >>>>      <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> > >>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> > >>>>      >
> > >>>>      >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      ------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>      One dashboard for servers and applications across
> > >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>>      Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>>      Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > >>>>      Insights
> > >>>>      Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> Insight.
> > >>>>      http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>
> > >>>>      ------------------------------
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > >>>>
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> > >>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > >>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> > Insights
> > >>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
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> > >
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> > > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> > > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
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> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >
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> >
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> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 4

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

*discussing
On May 4, 2015 10:34 PM, <sci...@li...>
wrote:

> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
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> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         sci...@li...
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
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>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 (Maksim Grinman)
>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 (Alan Whiteman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 20:23:19 -0400
> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAGRtvOf3a6dM2jQNjG=opgXvQ=
> NrZ...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Got this from Steve Steinitz (li...@da...):
>
> > Hey man, I don?t have the original thread - I seem to only get the
> digest, despite my settings otherwise, and so can't reply to the specific
> thread.  Sorry.  That said, its unlikely anything will get done in either
> case.
> >
> > Feel free to cite my support - the old-on-top sorting is useless at best.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> > I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> > want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> > now, I don't remember this being a problem there. Chessbase thought
> > about what users want, and got this part right.
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> >> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> >> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> >> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> >> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> >> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> >> important.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
> >> <sci...@li...> wrote:
> >>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>         sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>>    1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
> >>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>         <
> CAG...@ma...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>
> >>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
> >>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> open
> >>> with the most recent games on top?
> >>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>>         sci...@li...
> >>>>
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> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>         sci...@li...
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 1
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>         <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> >>>> g...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 2
> >>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
> >>>>         <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>         <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> >>>> w...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
> >>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
> >>>> shown.
> >>>> See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
> >>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>> S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> > list to be date desc?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 3
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>         <
> >>>> CAG...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
> >>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> >>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> > list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 4
> >>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: sci...@li...
> >>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> then
> >>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where
> I
> >>>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> >> list to be date desc?
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>> > _______________________________________________
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> >>>> > Sci...@li...
> >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>> Sci...@li...
> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
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> >>>> End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>>> *********************************************
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> >>>
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
> >>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: sci...@li...
> >>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >>>
> >>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
> >>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
> >>>
> >>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
> >>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> >>>> open with the most recent games on top?
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
> >>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>>     sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
> >>>>     To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>     or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>     sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
> >>>>     You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>     sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
> >>>>     When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
> specific
> >>>>     than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 1
> >>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>     Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 2
> >>>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>,
> >>>>            scidvspc-users
> >>>>             <sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>     Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still
> be
> >>>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will
> not be
> >>>>     shown.
> >>>>     See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload
> the
> >>>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>>     S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
> >>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     > list to be date desc?
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >
> >>>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>     Insights
> >>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>     > _______________________________________________
> >>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>     > Sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 3
> >>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>     Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>     <
> CAG...@ma...
> <mailto:CAG...@ma...
> >>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> where I
> >>>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
> >>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     > list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 4
> >>>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
> >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
> >>>>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> >>>>     then
> >>>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> >>>>     sorted
> >>>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> it's a
> >>>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> >>>>     where I
> >>>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
> >>>>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     >> list to be date desc?
> >>>>     >
> >>>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>     Insights
> >>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>     > _______________________________________________
> >>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>     > Sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>     One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>     Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>     Insights
> >>>>     Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>     http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     _______________________________________________
> >>>>     Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>     Sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>>>     *********************************************
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
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> >>> End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 19:21:57 -0700
> From: Alan Whiteman <acw...@vi...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
> To: sci...@li...
> Message-ID: <554...@vi...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> "Chessbase thought about what users want, and got this part right"
>
> Please remember that scidvspc is NOT a commercial product, but a
> community effort by a group of dedicated programmers that have
> volunteered their time. Solving everyone's problems isn't an easy
> endeavor, and sometimes not even possible. You are getting a program
> that is in the same class as Chessbase, for free!
>
> Let's be a bit more tolerant about the programs limitations and a bit
> more appreciative.
>
>
> On 05/04/2015 04:52 PM, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> > want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> > now, I don't remember this being a problem there. .
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> >> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> >> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> >> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> >> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> >> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> >> important.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
> >> <sci...@li...> wrote:
> >>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>          sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>          https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>          sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>          sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>>     1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>     2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
> >>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>          <
> CAG...@ma...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>
> >>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
> >>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> open
> >>> with the most recent games on top?
> >>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>>          sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>>          https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>          sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>          sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>     1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>     2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>     3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>     4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 1
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>          <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> >>>> g...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 2
> >>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
> >>>>          <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>          <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> >>>> w...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
> >>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
> >>>> shown.
> >>>> See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
> >>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>> S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>> Sci...@li...
> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 3
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>          <
> >>>> CAG...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
> >>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> >>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 4
> >>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: sci...@li...
> >>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> then
> >>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> >>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>> Sci...@li...
> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>> Sci...@li...
> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>>> *********************************************
> >>>>
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
> >>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: sci...@li...
> >>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >>>
> >>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
> >>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
> >>>
> >>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
> >>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> >>>> open with the most recent games on top?
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
> >>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>      Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>>      sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
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> >>>>      or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>      sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
> >>>>      You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>      sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
> >>>>      When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
> specific
> >>>>      than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>         1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>         2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>         3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>         4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 1
> >>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> ma...@gm...>>
> >>>>      Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>      Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>      <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>      Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>      list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 2
> >>>>      Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>>      From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>,
> >>>>             scidvspc-users
> >>>>              <sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>      Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>      <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>      Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>>      (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>>      If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still
> be
> >>>>      sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will
> not be
> >>>>      shown.
> >>>>      See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload
> the
> >>>>      last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>>      S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>>      On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <
> ma...@gm...
> >>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>      > list to be date desc?
> >>>>      >
> >>>>      >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>      Insights
> >>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> Insight.
> >>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>      > _______________________________________________
> >>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>      > Sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 3
> >>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> ma...@gm...>>
> >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>      Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>      <
> CAG...@ma...
> <mailto:CAG...@ma...
> >>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>      That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>>      descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's
> a
> >>>>      feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> where I
> >>>>      can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>>      On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <
> ma...@gm...
> >>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>      > list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 4
> >>>>      Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>>      From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
> >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>      Message-ID: <554...@ne...
> >>>>      <mailto:554...@ne...>>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>>      Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>>      descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the
> list,
> >>>>      then
> >>>>      up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>>      On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>      > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> >>>>      sorted
> >>>>      > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> it's a
> >>>>      > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> >>>>      where I
> >>>>      > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>      >
> >>>>      > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
> >>>>      <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>      >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly
> opened game
> >>>>      >> list to be date desc?
> >>>>      >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>      Insights
> >>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> Insight.
> >>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>      > _______________________________________________
> >>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>      > Sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>      >
> >>>>      >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>      One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>      Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>      Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>      Insights
> >>>>      Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>      http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      _______________________________________________
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> >>>>      https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>>>      *********************************************
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
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>
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>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 4

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

I was anticipating someone saying that, it must be obligatory. I was making
a point about a feature, not judging the cost for value or effort of
scidvspc. While we are disclosing it though, thanks to all the
contributors.
On May 4, 2015 10:34 PM, <sci...@li...>
wrote:

> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>         sci...@li...
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         sci...@li...
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         sci...@li...
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 (Maksim Grinman)
>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 (Alan Whiteman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 20:23:19 -0400
> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAGRtvOf3a6dM2jQNjG=opgXvQ=
> NrZ...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Got this from Steve Steinitz (li...@da...):
>
> > Hey man, I don?t have the original thread - I seem to only get the
> digest, despite my settings otherwise, and so can't reply to the specific
> thread.  Sorry.  That said, its unlikely anything will get done in either
> case.
> >
> > Feel free to cite my support - the old-on-top sorting is useless at best.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> > I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> > want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> > now, I don't remember this being a problem there. Chessbase thought
> > about what users want, and got this part right.
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> >> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> >> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> >> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> >> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> >> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> >> important.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
> >> <sci...@li...> wrote:
> >>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>         sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>         sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>         sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>>    1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
> >>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>         <
> CAG...@ma...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>
> >>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
> >>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> open
> >>> with the most recent games on top?
> >>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>>         sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>>         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>         sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>         sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 1
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>         <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> >>>> g...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 2
> >>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
> >>>>         <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>         <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> >>>> w...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
> >>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
> >>>> shown.
> >>>> See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
> >>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>> S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> > list to be date desc?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 3
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>         <
> >>>> CAG...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
> >>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> >>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> > list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 4
> >>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: sci...@li...
> >>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> then
> >>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where
> I
> >>>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> >> list to be date desc?
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>> > _______________________________________________
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> >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
> >>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: sci...@li...
> >>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >>>
> >>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
> >>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
> >>>
> >>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
> >>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> >>>> open with the most recent games on top?
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
> >>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>>     sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
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> >>>>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>     or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>     sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
> >>>>     You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>     sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>
> >>>>     When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
> specific
> >>>>     than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 1
> >>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>     Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 2
> >>>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>,
> >>>>            scidvspc-users
> >>>>             <sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>     Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still
> be
> >>>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will
> not be
> >>>>     shown.
> >>>>     See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload
> the
> >>>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>>     S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
> >>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     > list to be date desc?
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >
> >>>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>     Insights
> >>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>     > _______________________________________________
> >>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>     > Sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 3
> >>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>     Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>     <
> CAG...@ma...
> <mailto:CAG...@ma...
> >>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> where I
> >>>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
> >>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     > list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Message: 4
> >>>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
> >>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>     To: sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
> >>>>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
> >>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> >>>>     then
> >>>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> >>>>     sorted
> >>>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> it's a
> >>>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> >>>>     where I
> >>>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
> >>>>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>     >> list to be date desc?
> >>>>     >
> >>>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>     Insights
> >>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>     > _______________________________________________
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> >>>>     > Sci...@li...
> >>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>     One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>     Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>     Insights
> >>>>     Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>     http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>
> >>>>     ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
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> >>>>     End of Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>>>     *********************************************
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> >>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 19:21:57 -0700
> From: Alan Whiteman <acw...@vi...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
> To: sci...@li...
> Message-ID: <554...@vi...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> "Chessbase thought about what users want, and got this part right"
>
> Please remember that scidvspc is NOT a commercial product, but a
> community effort by a group of dedicated programmers that have
> volunteered their time. Solving everyone's problems isn't an easy
> endeavor, and sometimes not even possible. You are getting a program
> that is in the same class as Chessbase, for free!
>
> Let's be a bit more tolerant about the programs limitations and a bit
> more appreciative.
>
>
> On 05/04/2015 04:52 PM, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> > want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> > now, I don't remember this being a problem there. .
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> >> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> >> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> >> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> >> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> >> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> >> important.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
> >> <sci...@li...> wrote:
> >>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>          sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>          https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>          sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>          sci...@li...
> >>>
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>>     1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>     2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
> >>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>          <
> CAG...@ma...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>
> >>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
> >>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> open
> >>> with the most recent games on top?
> >>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
> >>>>          sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>>          https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>          sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>          sci...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>     1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>     2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>     3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>     4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 1
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>          <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> >>>> g...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 2
> >>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
> >>>>          <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>          <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> >>>> w...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
> >>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
> >>>> shown.
> >>>> See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
> >>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>> S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>> Sci...@li...
> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 3
> >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>          <
> >>>> CAG...@ma...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
> >>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> >>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 4
> >>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>> To: sci...@li...
> >>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
> then
> >>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> >>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> >>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >>>>>> list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
> >>>>> Sci...@li...
> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across
> Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> Insights
> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
> >>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> >>> To: sci...@li...
> >>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >>>
> >>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
> >>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
> >>>
> >>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
> >>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
> >>>> open with the most recent games on top?
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
> >>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>      Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
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> >>>>      sci...@li...
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> specific
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> >>>>      Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>>         1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>         2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
> >>>>         3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
> >>>>         4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 1
> >>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> >>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> ma...@gm...>>
> >>>>      Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>      Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>      <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>      Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>      list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 2
> >>>>      Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> >>>>      From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...
> >>
> >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...
> >>,
> >>>>             scidvspc-users
> >>>>              <sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>      Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>      <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>      Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> >>>>      (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> >>>>      If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still
> be
> >>>>      sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will
> not be
> >>>>      shown.
> >>>>      See the sort help topics.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload
> the
> >>>>      last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
> >>>>
> >>>>      S.A.
> >>>>
> >>>>      On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <
> ma...@gm...
> >>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>      > list to be date desc?
> >>>>      >
> >>>>      >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>      Insights
> >>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> Insight.
> >>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>      > _______________________________________________
> >>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
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> >>>>      <mailto:Sci...@li...>
> >>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 3
> >>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> >>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:
> ma...@gm...>>
> >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
> >>>>      Message-ID:
> >>>>
> >>>>      <
> CAG...@ma...
> <mailto:CAG...@ma...
> >>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>>      That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> sorted
> >>>>      descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's
> a
> >>>>      feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> where I
> >>>>      can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>
> >>>>      On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <
> ma...@gm...
> >>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened
> game
> >>>>      > list to be date desc?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>      Message: 4
> >>>>      Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> >>>>      From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
> >>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> >>>>      To: sci...@li...
> >>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
> >>>>      Message-ID: <554...@ne...
> >>>>      <mailto:554...@ne...>>
> >>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>>      Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> >>>>      descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the
> list,
> >>>>      then
> >>>>      up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
> >>>>
> >>>>      On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> >>>>      > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
> >>>>      sorted
> >>>>      > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If
> it's a
> >>>>      > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
> >>>>      where I
> >>>>      > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the
> codebase).
> >>>>      >
> >>>>      > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
> >>>>      <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>      >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly
> opened game
> >>>>      >> list to be date desc?
> >>>>      >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
> >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>      Insights
> >>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM
> Insight.
> >>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> >>>>      > _______________________________________________
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> >>>>      >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> >>>>      Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>>      Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
> >>>>      Insights
> >>>>      Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
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> >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

Hmm - Maksim's request is reasonable one. Attached is a hack/patch to
do it. Patch is also in subversion source (in patches directory).
.... But i don't know about having an "always load last game" option.
At the moment i might leave it as-is. One can always hit the "load
last game" button in the toolbar or gamelist., or press control-end
like Valente said.

S.A.

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2

[Alan W. <acw...@vi...>]

"Chessbase thought about what users want, and got this part right"

Please remember that scidvspc is NOT a commercial product, but a 
community effort by a group of dedicated programmers that have 
volunteered their time. Solving everyone's problems isn't an easy 
endeavor, and sometimes not even possible. You are getting a program 
that is in the same class as Chessbase, for free!

Let's be a bit more tolerant about the programs limitations and a bit 
more appreciative.


On 05/04/2015 04:52 PM, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> now, I don't remember this being a problem there. .
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
>> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
>> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
>> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
>> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
>> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
>> important.
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
>> <sci...@li...> wrote:
>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>>>          sci...@li...
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>          https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>          sci...@li...
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>          sci...@li...
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>     1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
>>>     2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>          <CAG...@ma...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
>>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
>>> with the most recent games on top?
>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>>>>          sci...@li...
>>>>
>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>          https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>          sci...@li...
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>          sci...@li...
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>     1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>     2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>     3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>     4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>          <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
>>>> g...@ma...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
>>>>          <sci...@li...>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>          <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
>>>> w...@ma...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>> shown.
>>>> See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>> S.A.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>> Sci...@li...
>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>          <
>>>> CAG...@ma...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: sci...@li...
>>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
>>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>> Sci...@li...
>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Sci...@li...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>>> To: sci...@li...
>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>
>>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
>>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
>>>
>>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
>>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
>>>> open with the most recent games on top?
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
>>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>>>>      sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>
>>>>      To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>      https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>      or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>      sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>
>>>>      You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>      sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>
>>>>      When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>      than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>         1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>         2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>         3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>         4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Message: 1
>>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>>      Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>      Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>      <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>      Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Message: 2
>>>>      Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>>      From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>>
>>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>,
>>>>             scidvspc-users
>>>>              <sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>      Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>      <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>      Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>>      (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>>      If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>>      sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>>      shown.
>>>>      See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>>      Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>>      last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>>      S.A.
>>>>
>>>>      On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      > list to be date desc?
>>>>      >
>>>>      >
>>>>      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>      Insights
>>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>>>>
>>>>      Message: 3
>>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>      Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>      <CAG...@ma... <mailto:CAG...@ma...>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>      That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>>      descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>      feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>>      can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>>      On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>>      <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      > list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Message: 4
>>>>      Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>>      From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
>>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>      Message-ID: <554...@ne...
>>>>      <mailto:554...@ne...>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>      Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>>      descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>>>>      then
>>>>      up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>>      On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>      > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>>>>      sorted
>>>>      > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>      > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>>>>      where I
>>>>      > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>      >
>>>>      > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>>>>      <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>      >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      >> list to be date desc?
>>>>      >
>>>>      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>      Insights
>>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>      > _______________________________________________
>>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>      > Sci...@li...
>>>>      <mailto:Sci...@li...>
>>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>      >
>>>>      >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>      Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>      Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>      Insights
>>>>      Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>      http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

Got this from Steve Steinitz (li...@da...):

> Hey man, I don’t have the original thread - I seem to only get the digest, despite my settings otherwise, and so can't reply to the specific thread.  Sorry.  That said, its unlikely anything will get done in either case.
>
> Feel free to cite my support - the old-on-top sorting is useless at best.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> now, I don't remember this being a problem there. Chessbase thought
> about what users want, and got this part right.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
>> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
>> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
>> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
>> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
>> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
>> important.
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
>> <sci...@li...> wrote:
>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>>>         sci...@li...
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>>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>    1. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Maksim Grinman)
>>>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>         <CAG...@ma...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
>>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
>>> with the most recent games on top?
>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>>>>         sci...@li...
>>>>
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>>>>         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>         sci...@li...
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>         <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
>>>> g...@ma...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
>>>>         <sci...@li...>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>         <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
>>>> w...@ma...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>> shown.
>>>> See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>> S.A.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> > list to be date desc?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Scidvspc-users mailing list
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>         <
>>>> CAG...@ma...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> > list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: sci...@li...
>>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
>>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> >> list to be date desc?
>>>> >
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>> > Sci...@li...
>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>>> To: sci...@li...
>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>
>>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
>>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
>>>
>>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
>>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
>>>> open with the most recent games on top?
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
>>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>>>>     sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>
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>>>>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>     or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>     sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>
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>>>>     sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>
>>>>     When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>     than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     Message: 1
>>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>     Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     Message: 2
>>>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>,
>>>>            scidvspc-users
>>>>             <sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>     Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>>     shown.
>>>>     See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>>     S.A.
>>>>
>>>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>     Insights
>>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>     > Sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
>>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     Message: 3
>>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>     Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>     <CAG...@ma... <mailto:CAG...@ma...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     Message: 4
>>>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
>>>>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>>>>     then
>>>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>>>>     sorted
>>>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>>>>     where I
>>>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>     >
>>>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>>>>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     >> list to be date desc?
>>>>     >
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>     Insights
>>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>     > Sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
>>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>     One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>     Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>     Insights
>>>>     Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>     http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>
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>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
now, I don't remember this being a problem there. Chessbase thought
about what users want, and got this part right.

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> important.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
> <sci...@li...> wrote:
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>>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
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>>
>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
>> with the most recent games on top?
>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>         <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> list to be date desc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
>>>         <sci...@li...>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>> shown.
>>> See the sort help topics.
>>>
>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>
>>> S.A.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> > list to be date desc?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>         <
>>> CAG...@ma...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> > list to be date desc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>> To: sci...@li...
>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>
>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> >> list to be date desc?
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>> To: sci...@li...
>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
>>
>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
>>> open with the most recent games on top?
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>
>>>
>>>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     Message: 1
>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>     Message-ID:
>>>
>>>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>     list to be date desc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------
>>>
>>>     Message: 2
>>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>,
>>>            scidvspc-users
>>>             <sci...@li...
>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>     Message-ID:
>>>
>>>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>     shown.
>>>     See the sort help topics.
>>>
>>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>
>>>     S.A.
>>>
>>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>     Insights
>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>     > _______________________________________________
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>>>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------
>>>
>>>     Message: 3
>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>     Message-ID:
>>>
>>>     <CAG...@ma... <mailto:CAG...@ma...>>
>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>
>>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------
>>>
>>>     Message: 4
>>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>     To: sci...@li...
>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
>>>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>>>     then
>>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>
>>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>>>     sorted
>>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>>>     where I
>>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>     >
>>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>>>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>     >> list to be date desc?
>>>     >
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>     Insights
>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>     > _______________________________________________
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>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>     Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>     Insights
>>>     Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>     http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
important.

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
<sci...@li...> wrote:
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>    2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAG...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
> with the most recent games on top?
> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
> wrote:
>
>> Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
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>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
>> g...@ma...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>> list to be date desc?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
>>         <sci...@li...>
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
>> w...@ma...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>> shown.
>> See the sort help topics.
>>
>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>
>> S.A.
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>> > list to be date desc?
>> >
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>> > Sci...@li...
>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
>> CAG...@ma...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>
>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>> > list to be date desc?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>> To: sci...@li...
>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>
>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>> wrote:
>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>> >> list to be date desc?
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
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> To: sci...@li...
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>
> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
>
> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>
>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
>> open with the most recent games on top?
>>
>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
>>
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>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>
>>
>>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     Message: 1
>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>     Message-ID:
>>
>>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>     list to be date desc?
>>
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------
>>
>>     Message: 2
>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>,
>>            scidvspc-users
>>             <sci...@li...
>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>     Message-ID:
>>
>>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>     shown.
>>     See the sort help topics.
>>
>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>
>>     S.A.
>>
>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>     > list to be date desc?
>>     >
>>     >
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>     Insights
>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
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>>     Message: 3
>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>     Message-ID:
>>
>>     <CAG...@ma... <mailto:CAG...@ma...>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>
>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>     > list to be date desc?
>>
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------
>>
>>     Message: 4
>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>     To: sci...@li...
>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
>>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>>     then
>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>
>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>>     sorted
>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>>     where I
>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>     >
>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>     >> list to be date desc?
>>     >
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>     Insights
>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
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>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------
>>
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>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
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>>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>     Insights
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1

[Valente S. <gu...@ne...>]

Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we 
learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.

On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>
> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open 
> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to 
> open with the most recent games on top?
>
> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li... 
> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
>
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>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>
>
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>     Message-ID:
>            
>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>     list to be date desc?
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     Message: 2
>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>>
>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>,
>            scidvspc-users
>             <sci...@li...
>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>     Message-ID:
>            
>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>     shown.
>     See the sort help topics.
>
>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>
>     S.A.
>
>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>     > list to be date desc?
>     >
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>     Insights
>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>     > Sci...@li...
>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     Message: 3
>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>     Message-ID:
>            
>     <CAG...@ma... <mailto:CAG...@ma...>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>
>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>     > list to be date desc?
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     Message: 4
>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>     To: sci...@li...
>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>     then
>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>
>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>     sorted
>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>     where I
>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>     >
>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>     >> list to be date desc?
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>     Insights
>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
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>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
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>     >
>     >
>
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     One dashboard for servers and applications across
>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>     Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>     Insights
>     Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>     http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>
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>     *********************************************
>
>
>
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
with the most recent games on top?
On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
wrote:

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>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
> g...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> list to be date desc?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
>         <sci...@li...>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
> w...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
> shown.
> See the sort help topics.
>
> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>
> S.A.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> > list to be date desc?
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > _______________________________________________
> > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > Sci...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAG...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> > list to be date desc?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
> To: sci...@li...
> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>
> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
> >
> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
> >> list to be date desc?
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> > _______________________________________________
> > Scidvspc-users mailing list
> > Sci...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering

[Valente S. <gu...@ne...>]

Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or 
descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then 
up... I don't see the need to get more than this.

On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
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> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>> list to be date desc?
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