thanks for making the new snapshot available. The other day I've upgraded from snapshot_6658.dmg to snapshot_6860.dmg . Yet the recent upload seems to be seriously flawed.
Trying to launch the csl app yields the following error meesage
+++ Image file "/private/var/folders/p_/qltsmpqd1zq_9qd2wbz6svjr0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/3B64BE96-1D83-40C8-A243-78F08383639E/d/csl.app/Contents/MacOS/csl.img(InitialImage)" can not be read
Running redscl yields
/Applications/Reduce/csl/reduce.app/Contents/MacOS/reduce: cannot execute: No such file or directory
Checking Applications/Reduce/csl/, there is no reduce.app what so ever. Checking on /Applications/Reduce/csl/csl.app/Contents/MacOS/csl, I noticed that this file is incompatible with macOS 14.6.1 on Apple M3 machines. This seems to be a regression, since the csl programs of the snapshot_6658.dmg as of 2023/12/18 still work fine on my system.
I also noticed that snapshot_6658.dmg no longer includes the binaries csl/rfcsl and psl/rfpsl. Whether this is intentionally done so or not, I cannot tell.
What did come as a positive surprise, though, is that the recent version of psl runs much more robust now on macOS 14.6.1 (some operations work; sums, integrals etc don't). Judging from a previous discussion on this forum you really must have burned a lot of midnight oil implementing these improvements. Thanks for that.
Hope the csl issues can be fixed in the not so distant future.
Yours, Tilda A. Steiner
Last edit: Tilda A. Steiner 2024-08-27
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thanks for your fast reply and uploading the fix with snapshot_6866.dmg. After installing, I noticed that there might be a misnomer as both psl and csl are signed rev 6864.
The apps bootstrapreduce, csl, and reduce run fine. Calling redcsl for the first time yielded an error message
libc++abi: terminating due to uncaught exception of type std::__1::system_error: mutex lock failed: Invalid argument
~~~ SIGNAL ~~~: SIGABRT
yet this did not reoccur. Wonder why. Also, I expected to remain in the shell whereas I was directed to an X window session. For me this is no big deal as I usually run reduce from within TeXmacs and csl seems to be working flawlessly now.
Both, on the shell level and from within TeXmacs, redpsl loads fine. What I do not understand though is that
At present I am unable to chase Macintosh issues with Reduce because to be
ready for forthcoming changes I installed a Beta of Sequoia on my machine
- and some of the libraries that Reduce depends on fail to build just at
present so I am unable to get Reduce working. This is liable to be a
consequence of the software being in beta not release state, and the
software that is failing to build is not mine or under my reasonable
control - so at present I need a delay until I can even investigate.
Wrt TeXmacs while we try to provide a plugin some issues with that may be
best addressed by those who support TeXmacs?
Sorry for the delay. But I hope that the consequence of it will be that
when Sequoia is released I will have had a better chance to prepare for
the incompatibilities it may introduce!
Arthur
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Dear Eberhard,
thanks for your fast reply and uploading the fix with snapshot_6866.dmg. After installing, I noticed that there might be a misnomer as both psl and csl are signed rev 6864.
The apps bootstrapreduce, csl, and reduce run fine. Calling redcsl for the first time yielded an error message
libc++abi: terminating due to uncaught exception of type std::__1::system_error: mutex lock failed: Invalid argument
~~~ SIGNAL ~~~: SIGABRT
yet this did not reoccur. Wonder why. Also, I expected to remain in the shell whereas I was directed to an X window session. For me this is no big deal as I usually run reduce from within TeXmacs and csl seems to be working flawlessly now.
Both, on the shell level and from within TeXmacs, redpsl loads fine. What I do not understand though is that
Dear Arthur,
thanks for your reply and your ongoing work of making reduce fully macOS-compatible. The issue that I reported in reply to Eberhard's message concerns only redpsl. csl-reduce as of snapshot_6866(64?) works fine within TeXmacs.
Tilda
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The PSL version of Reduce will not work on modern Macs because of changes
that Apple made in the name of "security". Work to resolve that is under
way but with no certain delivery time.
PSL works by compiling the Reduce sources into machine code on the fly,
and saves images by dumping that to a disc file for later re-loading. As I
understand it recentish releases of Macos and certainl all on ARM are both
fussy about writing to memory and then wanting to execute it, and about
how material gets arranged in memory so that it becomes harder for
adversaries to load in attack code and get it executed. In many respects
what they have done is an understandable ressponse to malware, but it
happens that it fights against design decisions baked quite deeply into
PSL. So again it is being worked on!
On Thu, 29 Aug 2024, Tilda A. Steiner wrote:
Dear Arthur,
thanks for your reply and your ongoing work of making reduce fully
macOS-compatible. The issue that I reported in reply to Eberhard's
message concerns only redpsl. csl-reduce as of snapshot_6866(64?) works
fine within TeXmacs.
Tilda
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PSL Reduce is not supported on Apple Silicon. Loading packages doesn't work at all.
For the near future I will make sure that it doesn't start at all until it can be made working (if ever).
Regards, Rainer
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Dear developers,
thanks for making the new snapshot available. The other day I've upgraded from snapshot_6658.dmg to snapshot_6860.dmg . Yet the recent upload seems to be seriously flawed.
Trying to launch the csl app yields the following error meesage
Running redscl yields
Checking
Applications/Reduce/csl/, there is noreduce.appwhat so ever. Checking on/Applications/Reduce/csl/csl.app/Contents/MacOS/csl, I noticed that this file is incompatible with macOS 14.6.1 on Apple M3 machines. This seems to be a regression, since thecslprograms of the snapshot_6658.dmg as of 2023/12/18 still work fine on my system.I also noticed that snapshot_6658.dmg no longer includes the binaries
csl/rfcslandpsl/rfpsl. Whether this is intentionally done so or not, I cannot tell.What did come as a positive surprise, though, is that the recent version of
pslruns much more robust now on macOS 14.6.1 (some operations work; sums, integrals etc don't). Judging from a previous discussion on this forum you really must have burned a lot of midnight oil implementing these improvements. Thanks for that.Hope the
cslissues can be fixed in the not so distant future.Yours, Tilda A. Steiner
Last edit: Tilda A. Steiner 2024-08-27
Thank you very much for reporting this. I put a new version onto sourceforge. Could you please give a try?
Best wishes, Eberhard
Dear Eberhard,
thanks for your fast reply and uploading the fix with snapshot_6866.dmg. After installing, I noticed that there might be a misnomer as both
pslandcslare signedrev 6864.The apps
bootstrapreduce,csl, andreducerun fine. Callingredcslfor the first time yielded an error messageyet this did not reoccur. Wonder why. Also, I expected to remain in the shell whereas I was directed to an X window session. For me this is no big deal as I usually run
reducefrom within TeXmacs andcslseems to be working flawlessly now.Both, on the shell level and from within TeXmacs,
redpslloads fine. What I do not understand though is thatruns fine only once in TeXmacs and ever thereafter produces this error message, even after restarting TeXmacs:
Is this an issue with TeXmacs' reduce plugin? Why doesn't
redpslfind its packages anymore?Anyway,
cslis working now. Thanks for that!Cheers, Tilda
At present I am unable to chase Macintosh issues with Reduce because to be
ready for forthcoming changes I installed a Beta of Sequoia on my machine
- and some of the libraries that Reduce depends on fail to build just at
present so I am unable to get Reduce working. This is liable to be a
consequence of the software being in beta not release state, and the
software that is failing to build is not mine or under my reasonable
control - so at present I need a delay until I can even investigate.
Wrt TeXmacs while we try to provide a plugin some issues with that may be
best addressed by those who support TeXmacs?
Sorry for the delay. But I hope that the consequence of it will be that
when Sequoia is released I will have had a better chance to prepare for
the incompatibilities it may introduce!
Arthur
On Thu, 29 Aug 2024, Tilda A. Steiner wrote:
Dear Arthur,
thanks for your reply and your ongoing work of making reduce fully macOS-compatible. The issue that I reported in reply to Eberhard's message concerns only
redpsl. csl-reduce as of snapshot_6866(64?) works fine within TeXmacs.Tilda
The PSL version of Reduce will not work on modern Macs because of changes
that Apple made in the name of "security". Work to resolve that is under
way but with no certain delivery time.
PSL works by compiling the Reduce sources into machine code on the fly,
and saves images by dumping that to a disc file for later re-loading. As I
understand it recentish releases of Macos and certainl all on ARM are both
fussy about writing to memory and then wanting to execute it, and about
how material gets arranged in memory so that it becomes harder for
adversaries to load in attack code and get it executed. In many respects
what they have done is an understandable ressponse to malware, but it
happens that it fights against design decisions baked quite deeply into
PSL. So again it is being worked on!
On Thu, 29 Aug 2024, Tilda A. Steiner wrote:
Dear Tilda,
PSL Reduce is not supported on Apple Silicon. Loading packages doesn't work at all.
For the near future I will make sure that it doesn't start at all until it can be made working (if ever).
Regards, Rainer
Dear Rainer,
thanks for the information. So I guess, it's possess your soul in patience, and hope that PSL Reduce can be made working one of these days.
Sincerely, Tilda