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Re: [Rails-users] Issues with Rails 1.8.2 and 1880

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Am 23.10.2013 06:13, schrieb PETER LINDHOLM:
> Hi,
> Hope I am sending this to the correct group (if not, feel free to
> delete/forward to proper place).  I've toyed with the 1880 game in
> Rails v. 1.8.2, and have noticed a few "glitches".  
>
>   * Preferences:
>       o Information icon for minors should have description of what each
>
Minor is doing has properties ? Theres missing a bit here :)
>
>       o No such thing as IPO or Pool, just Pool or PO
>

Ok minor correction but major coding :) Whole UI needs to be tackled.
>
>       o The Undo feature is very buggy and does not reverse in certain
>         cases.
>

Most likely, can you send us a save file where you observed that problem ?
>
>   * Communist revolution (when first 4 train is purchased)- 
>       o Stock Market stops moving when the first 4 train is purchased
>         and/or discarded (in 1.8.2 it keeps going)
>
In 1.8.2 ? Interesting. It shouldnt.

>       o Revolution is over (stocks start moving again) after first 6
>         train is bought.
>

Correct Behaviour.
>
>       o Foreign Investors (1-7) stop operating after the first 4 train
>         is purchased.
>

Correct Behaviour.
>
>       o Players cannot sell shares of RRs they are President of during
>         Revolution (1.8.2 allowed this)
>
They shouldnt. Can you send us a save game file with that behaviour ?

>   * If the Rocket (free train) is not used prior to the 1st 4 train
>     being purchased (or discarded), the rocket is immediately turned
>     in for the 2nd 4 train (unless player has no RR, then it is
>     discarded). (1.8.2 didn't do this)
>
This was checked against numerous saves we generated ourselves so that
surprises us here, please send a save file that we can see what went
wrong here .

>   * On a forced train player has the option to take out loans rather
>     than sell stock.   This is not working when a player cannot sell
>     his own stock in Communist Revolution. (1.8.2 freezes)
>
Ok thats a new situation we probably havent foreseen, again if you got a
save file :)

>   * East/West connection for Russia should add $50 bonus (not working
>     for run calcs in 1.8.2)
>

Needs to be checked.
>
>   * 2+2 trains rust when 4+4 are discarded (not happening in game)
>

Confirmed by another source.
>
>   * OO tile (235, the yellow "lollipop") does not display properly on
>     map when placed.
>
Do you have a screen shot ? Sent please directly to me and Michael
Alexander, thank you.

>   * Beijing
>       o Beijing stations are reserved (1.8.2 allowed placement of
>         other RRs in reserved spots on yellow/green Beijing)
>       o Tiles placed adjacent to Beijing must not destroy track (each
>         side of hex has track on yellow)(1.8.2 allowed illegal track)
>
Rails doesnt enforce rules on TIle Lays. Only Upgrades and even them
might be placed in any direction the player wishes. Open Topic for a
long time.

>   * Second 2 trains (~@$250, do not count toward requirement to own
>     train, do count against limit) should be available after the first
>     6 train is purchased (none shown in available trains in 1.8.2)
>

Will check-
>
>   * 6e train should start Phase D (track building for D leases only, D
>     values in red areas)(Phase D did not appear to start in 1.8.2)
>
Will check.
>
>   * 8 trains rust 4s , 8e trains rust 4+4s (did not appear to happen
>     in 1.8.2)
>

Will check. Might be something Broken in Game.xml.
> Pete Lindholm
>

Thanks for the Bug report, greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Martin

[Rails-users] Issues with Rails 1.8.2 and 1880

[PETER L. <pt...@ma...>]

Hi,
Hope I am sending this to the correct group (if not, feel free to delete/forward to proper place).  I've toyed with the 1880 game in Rails v. 1.8.2, and have noticed a few "glitches".  

Preferences:
Information icon for minors should have description of what each
No such thing as IPO or Pool, just Pool or PO
The Undo feature is very buggy and does not reverse in certain cases.
Communist revolution (when first 4 train is purchased)- 
Stock Market stops moving when the first 4 train is purchased and/or discarded (in 1.8.2 it keeps going)
Revolution is over (stocks start moving again) after first 6 train is bought.
Foreign Investors (1-7) stop operating after the first 4 train is purchased.
Players cannot sell shares of RRs they are President of during Revolution (1.8.2 allowed this)
If the Rocket (free train) is not used prior to the 1st 4 train being purchased (or discarded), the rocket is immediately turned in for the 2nd 4 train (unless player has no RR, then it is discarded). (1.8.2 didn't do this)
On a forced train player has the option to take out loans rather than sell stock.   This is not working when a player cannot sell his own stock in Communist Revolution. (1.8.2 freezes)
East/West connection for Russia should add $50 bonus (not working for run calcs in 1.8.2)
2+2 trains rust when 4+4 are discarded (not happening in game)
OO tile (235, the yellow "lollipop") does not display properly on map when placed.
Beijing
Beijing stations are reserved (1.8.2 allowed placement of other RRs in reserved spots on yellow/green Beijing)
Tiles placed adjacent to Beijing must not destroy track (each side of hex has track on yellow)(1.8.2 allowed illegal track)
Second 2 trains (~@$250, do not count toward requirement to own train, do count against limit) should be available after the first 6 train is purchased (none shown in available trains in 1.8.2)
6e train should start Phase D (track building for D leases only, D values in red areas)(Phase D did not appear to start in 1.8.2)
8 trains rust 4s , 8e trains rust 4+4s (did not appear to happen in 1.8.2)
Pete Lindholm

[Rails-users] Rails-commits not working anymore

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hi Guys,

since the switch from cvs to git last autumn the rails-commit
mailinglist has died. The git commits arent shown there anymore. I have
no access to the mechanismn, so i cant fix (if thats fixable at all).

Anyone wanting to keep on top of the commits should go to the following
link and Subscribe to Updates under Update Notifications.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/rails/


Kind Regards

Martin

Re: [Rails-users] 1880 SCR home hex position

[Lonny O. <lon...@gm...>]

As Chris said: Any orientation us allowed. 
Lonny

Am 15.10.2013 um 00:17 schrieb Martin Brumm <dr....@t-...>:

> Hello Lonny,
> 
> regarding the SCR home base token on N12 we hit an interesting problem
> in rails. Your original game map has the home base on the western hex.
> 
> So the question arose here, is the tile lay for #235 valid where the
> only track is leaving that hex on the eastern edge ?
> Or should it leave the hex at the western or northwestern or
> southwestern edge only ?
> 
> Is the painted home hex meant as SCR starts on the western side of the
> hex ? or can a player choose the orientation of #235 freely and will in
> all cases use the city with the track ?
> 
> Kind regards und schöne Grüsse nach Österreich :)
> 
> Martin
> 
> 

Re: [Rails-users] [Rails-devel] 1880 SCR home hex position

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

Same here, it didn't occur to me that it could be limited to only one
side, it's a fairly bad company anyway, that restriction would make it
terrible.

Phil

On 14 October 2013 23:26, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> Everyone I've ever played the game with used the "any orientation is
> allowed" option.
>
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> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Lonny,
>>
>> regarding the SCR home base token on N12 we hit an interesting problem
>> in rails. Your original game map has the home base on the western hex.
>>
>> So the question arose here, is the tile lay for #235 valid where the
>> only track is leaving that hex on the eastern edge ?
>> Or should it leave the hex at the western or northwestern or
>> southwestern edge only ?
>>
>> Is the painted home hex meant as SCR starts on the western side of the
>> hex ? or can a player choose the orientation of #235 freely and will in
>> all cases use the city with the track ?
>>
>> Kind regards und schöne Grüsse nach Österreich :)
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Rails-users] [Rails-devel] 1880 SCR home hex position

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

Everyone I've ever played the game with used the "any orientation is
allowed" option.


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On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Martin Brumm
<dr....@t-...>wrote:

> Hello Lonny,
>
> regarding the SCR home base token on N12 we hit an interesting problem
> in rails. Your original game map has the home base on the western hex.
>
> So the question arose here, is the tile lay for #235 valid where the
> only track is leaving that hex on the eastern edge ?
> Or should it leave the hex at the western or northwestern or
> southwestern edge only ?
>
> Is the painted home hex meant as SCR starts on the western side of the
> hex ? or can a player choose the orientation of #235 freely and will in
> all cases use the city with the track ?
>
> Kind regards und schöne Grüsse nach Österreich :)
>
> Martin
>
>
>
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[Rails-users] 1880 SCR home hex position

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hello Lonny,

regarding the SCR home base token on N12 we hit an interesting problem
in rails. Your original game map has the home base on the western hex.

So the question arose here, is the tile lay for #235 valid where the
only track is leaving that hex on the eastern edge ?
Or should it leave the hex at the western or northwestern or
southwestern edge only ?

Is the painted home hex meant as SCR starts on the western side of the
hex ? or can a player choose the orientation of #235 freely and will in
all cases use the city with the track ?

Kind regards und schöne Grüsse nach Österreich :)

Martin

[Rails-users] Bug with Prussian dividends in 1835?

[Pieter L. <pie...@ho...>]

Hi
 
In a recent game of 1835 with Rails the following occurred:
 
The Prussian was started in operating round 8.1 . Some privates and minors merged, but not all. The Prussian didn't operate.
At the start of operating round 8.2, one minor merged into the Prussian. Player holdings were:
Stan: 10% Prussian, M1 (not converted yet), BB private
Dave: no Prussian shares, M6
Neil: 20% Prussian
Pier: 15% Prussian, M3, PfB private
Easterly1: 30%, no minors
 
The Prussian then operated, and paid dividends. This was the output from rails:
 

      
      PR pays out full dividend of 150M

      Stan gets no income for 15% PR shares as precursors have operated

      Pier gets no income for 5% PR shares as precursors have operated

      Stan receives -7M for -1 5% shares

      Pier receives 15M for 2 5% shares

      Easterly1 receives 45M for 6 5% shares

      Neil receives 30M for 4 5% shares
    

  


This seems wrong: the minors didn't operate in the current operating round, so all converted shares should receive a dividend.
 
Is this a bug?
 
Sincerely
 
Pieter
 		 	   		  

[Rails-users] Announcing Release .1.8.1 Bugfixes and enhancements to rails for 1880

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hello fellow rails fans,

please find the excerpt from the readme accompagnying Release 1.8.1. below:

Rails release 1.8.1

This is a minor release fixing a number of minor glitches:

IPO shares of not started companies were highlighted as possible actions
even though the player was
lacking the money to start a corporation.
Fixing Tiles definitions and display tiles for 1880. Numerous
connections and positions were wrong. (8887 and 8888 for sure).
Fixed 2R train availability. (Michael)
Fixed updating problem with parSlots. (Michael)
Adjusting Gameslist.xml to reflect new status of 1880, moved the game
up in the list to the historical lineup.
Added Frederick Weld as Contributor to gameslist.xml

And some nice enhancement:
Added new pane to show par slots and last company to purchase a train.
(Michael)
 
Please report any bugs you find on the mailinglist as usual.

Thank you for the patience and feedback.

Martin & Michael (together with the rest of the rails crew :))

[Rails-users] Rails now supports the 1880 variant of Double O - Release 1.8.0 is now available

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hello Rails-Community,

after a long time we are now able to present you with a new variant
being fully supported (at least we think so :)) by rails.

1880 is now fully supported by rails 1.8.0. Our tests didnt bring up
bugs sofar. If you find some or think you found one, please send the
save game based on 1.8.0.

There shouldnt be any problems with other savegames from the
1.7.10-1.7.12 releases either.

I would like to thank Erik Vos, Brett Lentz and Stefan Frey for their
support in the past 2 years.

And of course i have to thank Michael Alexander for the finishing
touches of the more complex code parts needed to make 1880 work in rails
finally.

Have fun,

Martin Brumm

Re: [Rails-users] 1830 or 18EU game

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

The 18xx clearinghouse is one of the best ways to find opponents. 

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/492594/18xx-play-by-email-game-clearinghouse

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[Rails-users] 1830 Coalfields + Reading questions/bugs

[Mark W. <mw...@so...>]

  I used rail to run a game and was quite happy.  I looked over the mailing 
lists, and couldn't find these issues, so hopefully these are not repeats.

  I used the latest codebase (git pull) for the run, since that seemed to have 
fixed a few issues related to coalfields.

Q1: It seems that the selection for what stock certificate the C&A gets (PRR or 
Reading) is done before the start of the game.  Do people just generally do the 
initial bidding/private companies by hand to select this?  I don't see any 
moderator override within the game to adjust stock certificates.

Q2: Likewise for the M&H - the wiki notes that this can only be exchanged during 
stock rounds - is there any best way to handle this if exchanged during an 
operating round?  It would seem this might be a common practice - unless one 
thinks the NYC stock is going to sell out, by waiting to the operating round 
(but before the NYC operates) you get the payout of the M&H and also the payout 
of the NYC - especially if you can wait until the NYC will pay out

Possible coalfields issue:

1) It seems that the automatic revenue calculator will only count coalfields 
once even if you have a legitimate route to use it 2 times.  Looking at the 
rules, it says the coalfields act as a small town, just one has to buy rights to 
use it.  In our case, the CO connect to coalfields, bought the rights, and then 
load a city tile + token on K9.  With 2 2 trains, the best route should be K9 
(20) - L10 (40) and K13 (20) - L10 (40).  However instead, rails did the K13-L10 
and then K13-J14 (20).  I can provide a save file the illustrates this, but 
seems pretty easy to reproduce.

2) The rules I read suggest that one can not build track beyond the coalfields 
unless one has the coalfields right.  In my example above, it would let me lay 
tile K9 before buying coalfields right.  In this case above, since you can buy 
rights at anytime, not an issue for the C&O.  But the N&W later in the game 
built track/bought tokens beyond the coalfields without having coalfields rights 
and without any legitimate way to get to those spaces without going through 
coalfields.

Thought for improvement: Have the offsite red areas show current value of their 
worth, or if that is not possible, having them show the values at the different 
phases (eg, display 30/60 on the map) might be nice.  I realize you can get this 
information by clicking on the tile, but would be nice to just see those values 
on the map (same for Coalfields) as it would make it a little clearer the values 
of different spaces just by looking at the map.

  All in all, aside from these minor issues, was quite happy and will hope to 
use it again.

Re: [Rails-users] 18Scan query

[Dave B. <da...@be...>]

I tried a solo game of 18Scan last year and got some of the way through, 
with some manual adjustments along the way.  IIRC, I got stuck when it 
came to folding in the minors to form the SJ, and when assigning 
Privates to the Public companies.  I also wanted to adjust the stock 
market at some point and could't find a manual way of doing so.

It does occur to me that it might be useful if Rails allowed a game to 
be played almost entirely manually, with a mode where items could be 
manually adjusted akin to using a Cyberboard module.  The idea is that 
this would make it easier to play a prototype game all the way through, 
with the automation gradually being added on top.  I don't know if this 
would be as easy to implement as it sounds.

Of course, being an open source project, the work done is entirely down 
to those with the enthusiasm to work on it, so youse should all work on 
what interests you.  (Sadly I have no time for coding these days).

Dave.

[Rails-users] 18Scan query

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

18Scan is listed as a prototype. How close to playable is it?

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Re: [Rails-users] Mr. Shaffer's comment

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I like that - it's commentary mixed in with the Report window text. What I
found interesting about Thomas' message was that they didn't use the Report
window text at all. Rather than this, where the first three lines are
report window and the next line is commentary:

Mark bids $120 on M&H. Remaining free cash $195.
Tim buys SVNRR for $20
John bids $75 on D&H. Remaining free cash $230.

** Thinking I'd be outbid on the C&A, and use the D&H to 'power up' the
C&O, CP, or Erie


We instead see something like this:

in OR5a, Tom operates the 'GW' (connects to Detroit, runs for $220 and
pays-out) and 'THB' (lays green Hamilton [token in SW, other spoke SE] for
$40, takes out a loan, doesn't buy a Train); it's now Paul's 'LPS'.


Where they basically re-worded the report window text.

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On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, John Desmond <joh...@gm...>wrote:

> Salutations,  gentlefolk,
>
> Played an 1830 game on "Rails" last year, put a 'game report' on
> BoardGameGeek at
>
> http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/663100/1830-firefly-a-game-played-via-rails-dropbox-and
>
> with commentary both 'at the time' and later reflections.
>
> Would like to do something similar in the near future.
>
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Re: [Rails-users] Mr. Shaffer's comment

[John D. <joh...@gm...>]

Salutations,  gentlefolk,

Played an 1830 game on "Rails" last year, put a 'game report' on 
BoardGameGeek at
  http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/663100/1830-firefly-a-game-played-via-rails-dropbox-and

with commentary both 'at the time' and later reflections.

Would like to do something similar in the near future.

Yours, John Desmond

Re: [Rails-users] 1856PTK-OR5b - Keng 'WGB'

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I'm not sure why you sent this to rails-users, but hey, it was interesting
reading.

Every rails pbem game I've played, people just copy/pasted the Report
window. I've never seen anyone type out their actions with commentary. It's
interestingly different.


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On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:22 AM, thomas wall hannaford, jr. <
twa...@ya...> wrote:

> OK, game-play can continue (and Zieske can go bankrupt); Tom did a manual
> cash correction, and added $375 to the 'CA' Treasury (which allowed the
> 'CA' to pay-off all its loans). Hmmmm, the 'CA' is looking pretty good at
> this point (it needs to buy a Permanent Train, but the sacrificial 'THB'
> will eventually help out [after it has taken-out the maximum number of
> loans] -but maybe Keng will make the 'THB' buy a Train? In any case the
> 'THB' will buy-in my last Private for the maximum).......
>
> in or5b, Tom operated the 'CA' and 'GW' (both greened cities, ran for $110
> and $220 respectively, and paid-out [Treasury share recap; 'CA', w/5 in the
> Pool, got $55, and 'GW', w/4 in the Pool, got $88 -Paul, thank you very
> much]. -TWHJr
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>
> *To:* "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>; "thomas wall hannaford, jr."
> <twa...@ya...>
> *Cc:* Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:24 PM
> *Subject:* RE: 1856PTK-OR5b - Tom's rr
>
>  But if you go bankrupt, Tom wins! [image: Emoji] Why didn't you dump the
> CA on me? I threw myself on the wire for you! You would have won there and
> then ...
>
> But I'll see to it that GW never destinates!
>
> *Ken Soo*
>
> ------------------------------
> From: zi...@ju...
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 02:37:28 +0000
> To: twa...@ya...
> CC: dr...@ho...; pau...@gm...; twa...@ya...
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - Keng's rr
>
> Damn, this is one of those games that forces you to buy a train from the
> bank.  I was planning on buying the 4T over, then taking another loan, use
> treasury and some cash to buy another train.  I probably will buy the 4T
> from the LPS and oops, go bankrupt trying to buy another train.
> p
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>
> To: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>,  "dr...@ho..." <
> dr...@ho...>
> Cc: Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...>,  T Wall HannafordJr <
> twa...@ya...>
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - Paul LPS
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> in OR5a, Tom operates the 'GW' (connects to Detroit, runs for $220 and
> pays-out) and 'THB' (lays green Hamilton [token in SW, other spoke SE] for
> $40, takes out a loan, doesn't buy a Train); it's now Paul's 'LPS'.
>
> Maybe to give "Dumpling" a chance, I don't buy a T4. -TWHJr
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> *To:* dr...@ho...
> *Cc:* twa...@ya...
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:41 AM
> *Subject:* RE: 1856PTK-OR5a - Tom GW
>
> TGB plays track, takes loan (aargh), buys train.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>
> To: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>, Paul Zieske <
> pau...@gm...>
> Cc: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> Subject: RE: 1856PTK-OR5a - Paul TGB
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:16:36 -0500
>
> WGB connects to BBG, bought a cheap train and will run like a banshee
> going forward.
>
> *Ken Soo*
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:00:52 -0700
> From: twa...@ya...
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - WGB keng
> To: twa...@ya...; dr...@ho...; pau...@gm...
> CC: zi...@ju...
>
> sr5 ends, and Tom operates the 'CA' to start or5a (it lays a yellow
> straight towards Detroit, runs for $110 and pays-out; also repays a loan);
> it's now Keng's 'WGB'. -TWHJr
>
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Re: [Rails-users] 1856PTK-OR5a - Game Malfunction

[thomas w. h. jr. <twa...@ya...>]

Phil, I didn't know this; I thank you for telling me. -TWHJr




________________________________
 From: Phil Davies <de...@gm...>
To: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...> 
Cc: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>; "dr...@ho..." <dr...@ho...>; rail-users lists.sourceforge <rai...@li...>; "pau...@gm..." <pau...@gm...>; rail-users-request lists.sourceforge <rai...@li...> 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Rails-users] 1856PTK-OR5a - Game Malfunction
 
>From the map menu: Special -> Destinations Reached

Tick the companies that have reached destinations.  Rails isn't
destination aware, you need to tell it when the company destinates

On 14 March 2013 08:26, thomas wall hannaford, jr. <twa...@ya...> wrote:
> There is a problem here (playing '1856' with RAILS), and maybe it's caused
> by using the Alternative Destinations, but the 'CA' should have received the
> balance of it's Capitalization (in OR5a, the 'GW' completed the 'CA'
> Destination Route in mid-OR5a; but as of the start of OR5b [and even after
> the 'CA' completes operating for OR5b], the Railway still doesn't receive
> the $375 balance due).
>
> I'm going to try screwing around to manually add these monies to the 'CA'
> Treasury, but I'm also going to forward several Game Files to the RAILS
> Programmers for them to examine.
>
> Zieske going bankrupt would be an honorable way for the game to end, because
> I'm "burning" as many Green City upgrades as possible, and Keng isn't going
> to have much in the way of routes on which to run his Trains (LOL). -TWHJr
>
> ________________________________
> From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> To: twa...@ya...
> Cc: dr...@ho...; pau...@gm...; twa...@ya...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - Keng's rr
>
> Damn, this is one of those games that forces you to buy a train from the
> bank.  I was planning on buying the 4T over, then taking another loan, use
> treasury and some cash to buy another train.  I probably will buy the 4T
> from the LPS and oops, go bankrupt trying to buy another train.
> p
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>
> To: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>,  "dr...@ho..."
> <dr...@ho...>
> Cc: Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...>,  T Wall HannafordJr
> <twa...@ya...>
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - Paul LPS
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
> in OR5a, Tom operates the 'GW' (connects to Detroit, runs for $220 and
> pays-out) and 'THB' (lays green Hamilton [token in SW, other spoke SE] for
> $40, takes out a loan, doesn't buy a Train); it's now Paul's 'LPS'.
>
> Maybe to give "Dumpling" a chance, I don't buy a T4. -TWHJr
>
> ________________________________
> From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> To: dr...@ho...
> Cc: twa...@ya...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:41 AM
> Subject: RE: 1856PTK-OR5a - Tom GW
>
> TGB plays track, takes loan (aargh), buys train.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>
> To: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>, Paul Zieske
> <pau...@gm...>
> Cc: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> Subject: RE: 1856PTK-OR5a - Paul TGB
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:16:36 -0500
>
> WGB connects to BBG, bought a cheap train and will run like a banshee going
> forward.
>
> Ken Soo
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:00:52 -0700
> From: twa...@ya...
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - WGB keng
> To: twa...@ya...; dr...@ho...; pau...@gm...
> CC: zi...@ju...
>
> sr5 ends, and Tom operates the 'CA' to start or5a (it lays a yellow straight
> towards Detroit, runs for $110 and pays-out; also repays a loan); it's now
> Keng's 'WGB'. -TWHJr
>
>
>
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Re: [Rails-users] 1856PTK-OR5a - Game Malfunction

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

>From the map menu: Special -> Destinations Reached

Tick the companies that have reached destinations.  Rails isn't
destination aware, you need to tell it when the company destinates

On 14 March 2013 08:26, thomas wall hannaford, jr. <twa...@ya...> wrote:
> There is a problem here (playing '1856' with RAILS), and maybe it's caused
> by using the Alternative Destinations, but the 'CA' should have received the
> balance of it's Capitalization (in OR5a, the 'GW' completed the 'CA'
> Destination Route in mid-OR5a; but as of the start of OR5b [and even after
> the 'CA' completes operating for OR5b], the Railway still doesn't receive
> the $375 balance due).
>
> I'm going to try screwing around to manually add these monies to the 'CA'
> Treasury, but I'm also going to forward several Game Files to the RAILS
> Programmers for them to examine.
>
> Zieske going bankrupt would be an honorable way for the game to end, because
> I'm "burning" as many Green City upgrades as possible, and Keng isn't going
> to have much in the way of routes on which to run his Trains (LOL). -TWHJr
>
> ________________________________
> From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> To: twa...@ya...
> Cc: dr...@ho...; pau...@gm...; twa...@ya...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - Keng's rr
>
> Damn, this is one of those games that forces you to buy a train from the
> bank.  I was planning on buying the 4T over, then taking another loan, use
> treasury and some cash to buy another train.  I probably will buy the 4T
> from the LPS and oops, go bankrupt trying to buy another train.
> p
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>
> To: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>,  "dr...@ho..."
> <dr...@ho...>
> Cc: Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...>,  T Wall HannafordJr
> <twa...@ya...>
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - Paul LPS
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
> in OR5a, Tom operates the 'GW' (connects to Detroit, runs for $220 and
> pays-out) and 'THB' (lays green Hamilton [token in SW, other spoke SE] for
> $40, takes out a loan, doesn't buy a Train); it's now Paul's 'LPS'.
>
> Maybe to give "Dumpling" a chance, I don't buy a T4. -TWHJr
>
> ________________________________
> From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> To: dr...@ho...
> Cc: twa...@ya...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:41 AM
> Subject: RE: 1856PTK-OR5a - Tom GW
>
> TGB plays track, takes loan (aargh), buys train.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>
> To: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>, Paul Zieske
> <pau...@gm...>
> Cc: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>
> Subject: RE: 1856PTK-OR5a - Paul TGB
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:16:36 -0500
>
> WGB connects to BBG, bought a cheap train and will run like a banshee going
> forward.
>
> Ken Soo
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:00:52 -0700
> From: twa...@ya...
> Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR5a - WGB keng
> To: twa...@ya...; dr...@ho...; pau...@gm...
> CC: zi...@ju...
>
> sr5 ends, and Tom operates the 'CA' to start or5a (it lays a yellow straight
> towards Detroit, runs for $110 and pays-out; also repays a loan); it's now
> Keng's 'WGB'. -TWHJr
>
>
>
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Re: [Rails-users] Hide terminal window

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

Even simpler, I got a private email saying:

I just use the jar file rather than the sh script to kick Rails off. Double
click on it and the 'jar launcher' app runs it. Seems to work fine.


And that works too!

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Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote:

> Thanks to Bill Rosgen for the answer - terminate the last line with an
> ampersand and make sure that Preferences -> Settings -> Shell -> When the
> Shell Exits is set to "close the window."
>
>
> --
> Chris
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote:
>
>> I open Rails with a .command file on my Mac:
>>
>> #!/bin/bash
>> cd /Users/shafferc/Dropbox/Home/CB/rails-1.7.11
>> java -jar ./rails-1.7.11.jar $1
>>
>>
>> This opens rails fine, but also spawns a terminal window. Is there
>> something I can add to the script that will close or suppress the terminal
>> window?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>>
>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>
>
>

Re: [Rails-users] Hide terminal window

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

Thanks to Bill Rosgen for the answer - terminate the last line with an
ampersand and make sure that Preferences -> Settings -> Shell -> When the
Shell Exits is set to "close the window."


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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote:

> I open Rails with a .command file on my Mac:
>
> #!/bin/bash
> cd /Users/shafferc/Dropbox/Home/CB/rails-1.7.11
> java -jar ./rails-1.7.11.jar $1
>
>
> This opens rails fine, but also spawns a terminal window. Is there
> something I can add to the script that will close or suppress the terminal
> window?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Chris
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>

[Rails-users] Hide terminal window

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I open Rails with a .command file on my Mac:

#!/bin/bash
cd /Users/shafferc/Dropbox/Home/CB/rails-1.7.11
java -jar ./rails-1.7.11.jar $1


This opens rails fine, but also spawns a terminal window. Is there
something I can add to the script that will close or suppress the terminal
window?

Thanks.

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[Rails-users] Rails 'bug' / omission

[John D. <joh...@gm...>]

Salutations, gentlefolk !

This turned up last year in the middle of my game
  http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/663100/1830-firefly-a-game-played-via-rails-dropbox-and

IMHO, while 'twould be nice to have a 
'tile-laying-and-upgrading-rules-enforcement AI', I wouldn't put it at 
the top of my 'most-wanted-RAILS-enhancements' list.  With the 
variations in tile lay-and-upgrade rules between games, it's tough even 
for humans to keep track.

Yours. John Desmond

Re: [Rails-users] Fw: 1830TPK > or5a > NYC-Keng redo - NYC token drop in S NYC is illegal

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

That isn't something rails currently checks, and it has been on the
feature request list for ages.  In all cases of tile lays and token
placements, rails is only ever going to highlight as a suggestion, it
will not enforce a correct/incorrect move, that's up to the players,
the algorithm to check legal placements is complex and requires a lot
of modifications depending on game type, so in this instance consider
rails as a digital board, rather than an enforcer of rules.

On 28 February 2013 22:21, thomas wall hannaford, jr.
<twa...@ya...> wrote:
> Just in case I sent this "bug report/feature request" to the wrong email
> address! -TWHJr
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>
> To: rail-users-request lists.sourceforge
> <rai...@li...>
> Cc: Paul A Zieske <zi...@ju...>; Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...>;
> Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>; T Wall HannafordJr <twa...@ya...>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:38 PM
> Subject: Fw: 1830TPK > or5a > NYC-Keng redo - NYC token drop in S NYC is
> illegal
>
> Guys, here is another "illegal" situation allowed by RAILS (in '1830' this
> time), where the program allowed the 'NYC' to drop a token in S.NYC, despite
> the 'NYC' not having a route to that "side" of the city.
>
> I think that in both cases ('1856' and '1830'), RAILS needs to have an
> internal algorithm/code fixed, so that the active Railroad needs to be able
> to trace a route to the hexes (and parts of hexes) where the program is
> projecting (and allowing) "actions" to be taken by the active Railroad.
> -TWHJr
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>
> To: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>; Paul Zieske
> <pau...@gm...>
> Cc: "tj_...@ya..." <tj_...@ya...>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:18 AM
> Subject: RE: 1830TPK > or5a > NYC-Keng redo - are you sure?
>
> You sure? The program allows it and 1830 is wierd in many ways. I'll ask
> Paul to be the arbitrator. If he agrees with you, here's the new file. If he
> thinks, it's OK, then the previous file stands.
>
> Ken Soo
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:35:04 -0800
> From: twa...@ya...
> Subject: Re: 1830TPK > or5a > NYC-Keng redo
> To: dr...@ho...; pau...@gm...
> CC: tj_...@ya...
>
> Keng, the 'NYC' can not drop a token in S.NYC, as it has no route to that
> city (only to N.NYC), so you need to redo the 'NYC' turn. -TWHJr
>
>
>
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Re: [Rails-users] Fw: 1856PTK-OR3b> Paul CA & RAILS "bug"

[Ken S. <dr...@ho...>]

I think the algorithm is called the human brain ver 1. If a programmer is to take every possibility into consideration, development will take forever. If one already knows a move is illegal, you wouldn't make it even though the program 'allows' it.  Rails is pretty good as is - what is needed are fully playable versions of 1870, 1880, 1861, and 1817 :) 

Ken Soo
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:40:01 -0800
From: twa...@ya...
Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Fw: 1856PTK-OR3b> Paul CA & RAILS "bug"
To: ali...@gm...
CC: rai...@li...; dr...@ho...; zi...@ju...; pau...@gm...; twa...@ya...

Aliza, the RAILS program must have an algorithm/code that "projects" possible (?) tile-lays; this needs to be refined so that it only works with accessible current track-tiles that can be upgraded, or accessible current (dead-end?) track-tiles that can be extended. -TWHJr


        From: Aliza Panitz <ali...@gm...>
 To: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...> 
Cc: "rai...@li..."
 <rai...@li...>; Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>; Paul A Zieske <zi...@ju...>; Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Fw: 1856PTK-OR3b> Paul CA & RAILS "bug"
   

Rails has never claimed to enforce track-laying rules. 

On Thursday, February 28, 2013, thomas wall hannaford, jr.  wrote:

Attention RAILS programmers; note the "bug" that I've detected regarding a 'CA' potential upgrade tile-lay suggested by the program.


      ----- Forwarded Message -----

  From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>
 To: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>; "dr...@ho..." <dr...@ho...> 

Cc: "pau...@gm..." <pau...@gm...>; T Wall HannafordJr <twa...@ya...> 

 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:01 PM
 Subject: Re: 1856PTK-OR3b> Paul CA
   

in OR3b Tom operates the 'GW' (it greens London, withholds $140, takes out a 4th loan [net $60], buys a 2nd T3, and buys-in the 'TCC' Private for $100 -still has $90 in its Treasury); it looks like the 'CA' will beat the 'LPS' into London.


Paul, although RAILS shows the 'CA' could green that gentle curve yellow city port (that is to the east of all those whistlestops), that is not legal in '1856' RAW -you need to be able to run a Train on the new track, and the 'CA' still won't connect to that
 upgraded city.

It's now Paul's 'CA' since Keng withheld the 'LPS' in OR3a (maybe Paul was stunned that the 'LPS' withheld in OR3a -he may suffer a TKO with the 'GW' also withholding to start OR3b [let's see if the 'CA' and 'LPS' also withhold in OR3b). -TWHJr


      
  From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>

 To: dr...@ho... 
Cc: twa...@ya...; pau...@gm... 

 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:10 PM
 Subject: RE: 1856PTK-OR3b> Tom GW
   

Tom up

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>
To: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>, "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>

Cc: Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...>
Subject: RE: 1856PTK-OR3a> WTF, Dumping???
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:25:51 -0600


Can't speak of the charlatan running the GW, but if I dump the LPS on you, you should fall on your knees and thank God for his bounty.


Ken Soo


 
 From: zi...@ju...
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:44:43 +0000
To: twa...@ya...

CC:
 twa...@ya...; pau...@gm...; dr...@ho...

Subject: Re: Fw: 1856PTK-OR3a> WTF, Dumping???

do you promise not to dump the GW on me if I own more than 1 share? Hah, dumping a company on another person can work really well in 1856 too - for example, you have 4 shares and someone else 2, company has 6 loans - you sell your 4 shares, and the new president is either forced to buy shares of it or is forced to pay off 4 loans when it operates.  plus you can use your money for something else, and not have to trade 2 for 1 government shares...


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>

To: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>,  T Wall HannafordJr <twa...@ya...>

Cc: "pau...@gm..." <pau...@gm...>,  "dr...@ho..."
 <dr...@ho...>
Subject: Re: Fw: 1856PTK-OR3a> WTF, Dumping???
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:53:59 -0800 (PST)



Seriously, what are you talking about? In '1856' you get bailed-out by putting Railroads into the Government........
 
BTW, Keng, do you want to get a 'LPS' token in London or not? Think about it, then let me know.....-TWHJr
 
From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>

To: twa...@ya... 
Cc: twa...@ya...; pau...@gm...; dr...@ho... 

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1856PTK-OR3a> Keng LPS

paying out better than the CA, and can't dump on me...


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>
To: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>,  T Wall HannafordJr <twa...@ya...>

Cc: "pau...@gm..." <pau...@gm...>,  "dr...@ho..."
 <dr...@ho...>
Subject: Re: Fw: 1856PTK-OR3a> Keng LPS
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:06:08 -0800 (PST)


in OR3a the 'GW' lays a straight yellow city, takes out a 3rd loan, pays $30 interest, runs for $100, and buys a T3 for $225; it's Keng's 'LPS'.
 
Note that Keng owns 60% 'LPS'; Paul owns 40% 'CA', 10% each 'LPS' & 'GW' (why?); Tom owns 40% 'GW' & 10% 'LPS'. -TWHJr 
From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>

To: twa...@ya... 
Cc: pau...@gm...; dr...@ho...; twa...@ya... 

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1856PTK-OR3a> Tom GW

Tom's GW up.


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twa...@ya...>
To: Paul A Zieske <zi...@ju...>, Paul Zieske <pau...@gm...>,  Ken Soo <dr...@ho...>

Cc: T Wall HannafordJr
 <twa...@ya...>
Subject: Fw: 1856PTK-SR3> Paul2
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:06:48 -0800 (PST)


Tom2 passes; Keng2 is passing? Maybe it's back to Paul2? -TWHJr
 
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "zi...@ju..." <zi...@ju...>

To: dr...@ho... 
Cc: twa...@ya... 

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: 1856PTK-SR3> Tom2

Paul buys a GW.






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