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[pilot-db-list] Problem with building under cygwin32

[Soeren K. <ma...@so...>]

Hello,

again I have some problem building the db-application. Everytime, build-pr=
c 
runs, I get a lot errors like below:

.res/Link0001.bin: warning: resource .res #0 already obtained from 
`.res/APPL0001.bin'  

And, as a result, all pilrc-generated resources are missing in the final 
prc-file.

Further, when I try to call build-prc manually from within '.res', it tell=
s 
me that it can determine the file type of 'res.tmp'.

Is that a problem with build-prc, with the cygwin-environment or can it 
fixed in the makefile?

environment used:
Cygwin & PRC-Tools downloaded from Handspring
SDK 4.0 downloaded from Palm
Sources checked out anonymous

Thanx,
S=F6ren

Re: [pilot-db-list] nteresting Databases

[Walter K. <ko...@u3...>]

Moin,

Du schriebst am / on Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:01:15 +0200 you wrote:

> Is there a Collection of interesting databases
> in the Palm DB format?

I've got a county database (german and english, 327 records), Asterix
(German, 30 Records), German towns licenceplates (770 records), a
"Warmduscher"-Collection (german funny synonyms for cowards, 435
records) and a german words database (3712 records; Jfile v3.x -
=46ormat).

Not very interesting for non-germans ...


> Maybe a list
> should be added in the project home page?

I put country, licence plates and warmduscher on
http://www.u32.de/pilot-dbs.zip and http://www.u32.de/palm_db.html

hth,

Gruss,
  Walter

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[pilot-db-list] db-c.bmp missing in project?

[Soeren K. <ma...@so...>]

Hello,

could it be that the current repository is missing the file "db-c.bmp"? I 
stumbled over that, because the standard make tries to build the color 
version. Well, could you list all possible make-option in "building.txt"?

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[pilot-db-list] Beginnings of DB documentation

[Mike R. <mik...@al...>]

Hi,

I have placed the rudiments of formal documentation into the docs
directory on CVS (db_docs.lyx and db_docs.pdf). Since I am actively
involved in the doc team of the Open Source document processor LyX
(www.lyx.org), I have naturally chosen that to write with, though I can be
convinced to use other things (but NOT MS Word!). I have converted it to
PDF, so everyone else can read what I've done so far.

It's _really_ rudimentary at this point - little more than a cat of
README, building.txt, format.txt, and translating.txt. I next intend to
paste in pieces of db.rcp, then add the converter documents. Then I hope
to smooth it into a readable, useful document. :-)

Let me know what you think (form, appearance, choice of LyX, etc.). I like
and use db a lot (almost hourly at times), so I'd like to make a
worthwhile contribution.

Mike

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[pilot-db-list] saving sort and filter expressions/ Interesting Databases

[<aji...@t-...>]

I must agree.
The sort and an optional filter-expression 
should be stored inside the list-views.

Is there a Collection of interesting databases
in the Palm DB format?

I have a few (Morse Code and Emoticons). Maybe a list
should be added in the project home page?

Hans

[pilot-db-list] sort and filter expression into list-view

[Walter K. <ko...@u3...>]

Moin,

Du schriebst am / on Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:33:07 +0200 you wrote:

> a way to store sort criterias.

They should be stored inside the list-views together with an optional
filter-expression=20

Gruss,
  Walter
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Re: [pilot-db-list] Thoughts about the different 0.3.2 versions

[Tom D. <td...@us...>]

On Saturday 28 July 2001 07:22 pm, Oliver Goetz wrote:

>   Is there a way to make the colors, which are used configurable
>   by the user? I realise that this probably costs a few bytes
>   in program size, but I still think it would be worth it.

The list view is implemented by a "grid widget" which is custom code and is 
not part of PalmOS proper. The development version includes support for 
changing the colors. By default, the colors should be initialized to whatever 
was in the PalmOS palette.

Thus, the infrastructure for changing colors is in place. It just needs a 
user interface. The infrastructure to toggle the display of the list view 
header and column separators also exists but needs a user interface.

[pilot-db-list] Thoughts about the different 0.3.2 versions

[Oliver G. <oli...@we...>]

Hi!

Here are some thoughts about the different versions (with text
labes and icons, as well as the color versions) of release 0.3.2.


- I just installed the color version (db-en-color.prc, with text 
  buttons) on my Palm IIIc, and I think it's a very good idea to
  use the background colors in the list view.

  (For those whithout a color device: the title line in the
  list view is bold black text with a yellow background color
  and every other line of data has a green background to 
  optically seperate the displayed records.)

  Is there a way to make the colors, which are used configurable
  by the user? I realise that this probably costs a few bytes
  in program size, but I still think it would be worth it.

- One bug I found (I'm not sure if this was already mentioned)
  is, that sometimes the "Find" button is displayed despite
  the list not showing all the records:

  When I do a search and only the records that match my search
  criteria are displayed the Find button changes to "All", but
  when I now edit an entry or do a new sort by using the 
  Options->Sort menu, the list still only displays the records
  found, but the Button jumps back to "Find"

- I also tried out the iconic version. Personally, I like the
  text version better. But one thing really did confuse me at
  first with the iconic version: I searched for the icon 
  to commit the changed I did in record edit mode until I 
  realized it was actually the exit door.

  For me this looks more like an "escape" icon, so it would 
  actually make more sense for me if this was the icon to
  leave the record edit mode without making changes.

Cheers,

	Oliver

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[pilot-db-list] corrected gif icon "cancel"

[<di...@t-...>]

I had included a wrong "cancel" icon and had
forgotten the cancel 2 colour version.
Here they are

[pilot-db-list] windows binaries of palm-tools

[<aji...@t-...>]

I'd REALLY (!) be Grateful if someone could
compile a windows version of the palm tools!

R E A L L Y!

Thanks,

Hans

[pilot-db-list] icons as gif files

[<aji...@t-...>]

Here are the icons as separate 
16 colour and 2 Colour gif files
(non-transparent; I think I converted
all).

Hans

Re: [pilot-db-list] icons

[Nathan H. <na...@ma...>]

On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 08:55:04PM -0400, Tom Dyas wrote:
> 
> Icons are good since the size of the screen on a PDA is so small. Text 
> buttons take up too much room. The only reason why I never got around to 
> putting icons in earlier versions of DB is because I have no artistic ability 
> whatsoever even for drawings as simple as icons.
> 
> However, icons have to be related to the command or option they represent. A 
> good icon for "Find" would be a magnifying glass. For "Find Next", a good 
> icon would be a magnifying glass with a + symbol in the middle of the circle.

Here you go. GIF attachment.

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[pilot-db-list] 0.3.2 (release??)

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

I build two releases of DB one with text buttons, one with icons buttons. Make your choice, but please send me an e-mail with:
 * the version (the prc file name) of the release do you prefer.
 * the device type do you use ( color device, b/w device, PalmOS >=3D 3.5, PalmOS <=3D 2.0....)
 * you point of vue.

I build this releases to have th maximum critics from you. I'm sorry for German, Portugese people and others, because i didn't contact the translaters in the time, but i think i will put the others versions quickly.

The release can still change, but only the icons (and important bugs that i didn't see), or bad english strings;).

Salut,
Marc.
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[pilot-db-list] more icons

[<aji...@t-...>]

Here are some more icons ...
again these are muli-resolution 11x11 icons
consisting of 2 and 16 colour versions each.

I have not made gray shaded versions.
Are these needed too?

Can someone tell me if transparent colours
are supported? If not I'll have to change
almost all the icons!

Thanks

Hans

Re: [pilot-db-list] Icons

[Larry K. T. <LK...@we...>]

These look great to me.

Larry

>>> Hans Ajiet Holtkamp <aji...@t-...> 07/25/01 05:48PM >>>
Tom Dyas wanted icons: so here are a few multiresolution
icons created using the progam IconForge. There are 16
colour and 2 colour versions incl. trasparent colours
(does the palm OS support transparent colours?), each
11 x 11 Pixel large /(12 x 12 would be easier to make).

Please let me know if you can use these.

Attached are:
PalmSearch.ICO
PalmSearchNext.ICO
PalmSearchLast.ICO
PalmCut.ICO
PalmCopy.ICO
PalmPaste.ICO
PalmNew.ICO

Thanks,

Hans.

hol...@di...

[pilot-db-list] Icons

[<aji...@t-...>]

Tom Dyas wanted icons: so here are a few multiresolution
icons created using the progam IconForge. There are 16
colour and 2 colour versions incl. trasparent colours
(does the palm OS support transparent colours?), each
11 x 11 Pixel large /(12 x 12 would be easier to make).

Please let me know if you can use these.

Attached are:
PalmSearch.ICO
PalmSearchNext.ICO
PalmSearchLast.ICO
PalmCut.ICO
PalmCopy.ICO
PalmPaste.ICO
PalmNew.ICO

Thanks,

Hans.

hol...@di...

[pilot-db-list] pilot-db editing problems

[KANE P. (CA) <Pet...@er...>]

1. If you edit a record and then press up or down to go to the next record
the changes you entered are lost. I think changes should be automatically
saved. If automatic, then there should be an option to enable/disable saving
changes automatically. If not automatically saved, then there should be a
message asking wether to keep the change.

2. I have also noticed some strange display problems (lines remaining bold,
small vertical lines appearing on the screen) if you edit a string field
that has almost the maximum number of characters in it.
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Re: [pilot-db-list] icons

[Tom D. <td...@us...>]

On Tuesday 24 July 2001 09:02 am, Chalain Marc wrote:

> i'm still waiting your oint of view about icons.
> If i haven't more answers i will build only text version.

Icons are good since the size of the screen on a PDA is so small. Text 
buttons take up too much room. The only reason why I never got around to 
putting icons in earlier versions of DB is because I have no artistic ability 
whatsoever even for drawings as simple as icons.

However, icons have to be related to the command or option they represent. A 
good icon for "Find" would be a magnifying glass. For "Find Next", a good 
icon would be a magnifying glass with a + symbol in the middle of the circle.

If there is anyone with even a smidgen of artistic ability on the list, a 
contribution of icons to DB would be good way to contribute to the project. 
For each version, you would need to make a 1-bit monocolor and an 8-bit 
indexed color in a size of 11x11 or so. The PilRC resource compiler combines 
both version of the icon into a single resource. PalmOS automatically selects 
the correct version based on the capabilities of the device. Coordinate with 
the current maintainer if you want to contribute in such a fashion.

[The following is for everyone in general and not Marc since it does not 
apply to him since he is the maintainer. Also, if you have contributed, feel 
free to ignore the parts that don't apply to you.]

Not to repeat myself from earlier emails, but you do NOT need to know how to 
program in order to contribute to DB.

If you can make decent icons in Windows Paint, PhotoShop, or GIMP, contribute 
icons.

If you can write documentation, help write a user manual or help strings.

If you know HTML, help make the Web site a real place to go to instead of the 
ugly mess that I created.

If you are willing to run beta copies, then do so and report the bugs. Lots 
of people do this. :)

If you know languages other than English, contribute a translation. As matter 
of fact, several people such Thorsten Tietz, Christian Grigis, Roberto A. 
Foglietta, and Pedro Pessoa have done just that.

Some people have expressed an interest on the list for writing documentation. 
If you wish to do so, then make an account on http://sourceforge.net/ so that 
you can access the development copy of DB in CVS and also the Web site. 
Contact the current maintainer, Marc Chalain, and let him know how you wish 
to help and your SourceForge username so he can add your SourceForge account 
to DB's SourceForge project.

Open Source and Free Software is what YOU make of it through your 
contributions, time, and energy. Nothing more. Nothing less. The monetary 
price may be zero but there is a price of your time. Others have paid for DB 
with their time, why not return the favor with a contribution of your own 
time?

Sorry to nag to you all, but many people fail to realize how easy it is to 
contribute to Open Source projects in many different ways.

And if you know how to code, come on and help out! Thanks to Marc Chalain, DB 
development has not stalled due to my time constraints with work and such. 
However, due to those time constraints, DB had no net change in the number of 
developers because I am no longer an active developer. The more developers 
the better since DB development will then be less dependent on any single 
developer all the time.

Maybe Marc's plugin architecture will allow some more distributed development 
of DB? A third-party plugins page on the Web page might be a good idea. As a 
matter of fact, if anyone on the list knows HTML page, maintaining such a 
page and not the plugins themselves is one opportunity for contribution.

A jobs Web page for DB would also be a great way to contribute to the DB 
community and "own" a piece of the project.

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Thanks for listenting to me!

[pilot-db-list] icons

[<aji...@t-...>]

I compared the 2 versions of the 0.3.2 beta5 too.
I must agree that the text labels version is better.

Hans

[pilot-db-list] Icons versus text labels

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

	Ok, I did compare the 2 versions of the 0.3.2 beta5.
I really prefer the text labels version.
	BTW, Marc, the direct access to views list is great.
	The last things I really miss are the possibility to browse
through records into the record view and a way to store sort criterias.

	Fab.

[pilot-db-list] icons

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

i'm still waiting your oint of view about icons.
If i haven't more answers i will build only text version.
Salut,
Marc.
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Re: [pilot-db-list] JFile converter

[Tom D. <td...@us...>]

On Monday 23 July 2001 03:13 am, hol...@di... wrote:

> I am currently using the pilot-db 0.3.2beta5 and the conversion
> tools in dbtools_0_3_1 don't seem to work. When will the Windows
> Binaries for palm-db-tools 0.3.2  become available.

I rebuilt my computer onto a new hard drive a while back and my Windows 
partition is still on the second disk. I might get a chance to boot into 
Windows at some point to build 0.3.2 of palm-db-tools. (OTOH, anyone with 
Visual C++ 6.0 can build the Windows binaries. It would also be interesting 
to see if the CygWin UNIX environment for Windows could build palm-db-tools.)

RE: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[KANE P. (CA) <Pet...@er...>]

I think that the current icons are not as useable as the text version.

However, I still think that the icons are worth pursuing. Let's not throw
the baby out with the bathwater.

I think that the current set of icons needs some work, but that it is
possible to find a set that is universal and therefore helpful.

However, I wouldn't make it into a religious discussion :-) 


-----Original Message-----
From: Fab [mailto:kr...@bi...]
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2001 6:21
To: Pil...@li...
Subject: Re: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?


> If more buttons are needed, then by using icons more space can be found
for
> buttons.
	But too much icons acts against the useability.

> Also it enhances the useability of the application, and possibly the
effort
> needed to translate to other languages.
	That's a religious discussion :-) I prefer text labels to icons
because it can be recognized without reading when you get used to it, or
read when you search for a fonctionality you don't know.
	BTW, isn't there a palm widget whitout frame, that just contains the
label itself and so use less space, that you could write in little bold font
?

	Fab.


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Re: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> If more buttons are needed, then by using icons more space can be found for
> buttons.
	But too much icons acts against the useability.

> Also it enhances the useability of the application, and possibly the effort
> needed to translate to other languages.
	That's a religious discussion :-) I prefer text labels to icons
because it can be recognized without reading when you get used to it, or
read when you search for a fonctionality you don't know.
	BTW, isn't there a palm widget whitout frame, that just contains the
label itself and so use less space, that you could write in little bold font ?

	Fab.

Re: [pilot-db-list] RE: filter on find function

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> i already began the icons. But i wonder if it's not more resource for not a lot of advance.
	I agree with you, Marc.
	Keep it simple. Text is clear, even with a 3 caracters label.
Icons quickly become unreadable therefore unusable.

	Fab.