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RE: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

no, i don't want to add buttons but i changed the use of "+" button and it becames "All" and in french "Tout" now it's too long.
That is the raison.

Salut,
Marc.

Peter KANE wrote:

> If more buttons are needed, then by using icons more space can be found for
> buttons.
> Also it enhances the useability of the application, and possibly the effort
> needed to translate to other languages.
> 

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[pilot-db-list] RE: icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[Leiss, Klaus-G. 3. PPE-E. <Kla...@de...>]

Hello,
I think if we talking about small icons
and 1 - 2 K of Application size i can live
with it.

Klaus Leiss

Re: [pilot-db-list] Filter in 0.3.2beta4

[Walter K. <ko...@u3...>]

Moin,

Du schriebst am / on Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:19:33 +0200 you wrote:

> I just tried the new beta4 version and I just love the new filter
> search!

Indeed. Maybe you can hide the "All" Button, after taping. So we can
see, that no filter is in use.

Gruss,
  Walter

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RE: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[KANE P. (CA) <Pet...@er...>]

If more buttons are needed, then by using icons more space can be found for
buttons.
Also it enhances the useability of the application, and possibly the effort
needed to translate to other languages.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carson Wilcox [mailto:car...@ya...]
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2001 22:49
To: Chalain Marc
Cc: Pil...@li...
Subject: Re: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?


I agree that it is a good idea to keep the prc file as
small as possible. If increasing it's size adds to the
functionality that is fine, but simply adding icons
doesn't do much to add to the functionality.

Carson

--- Chalain Marc <mar...@vo...> wrote:
> I'm not desagree, but i have a problem of space for
> the button and of translation.
> i builded a version with some icons the size is 416
> bytes weigther.
> What's your point of view??
> i need the maximum of answers to this questions,
> please.
> Salut,
> Marc.
> 
> >
> > >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, "Chalain" == Chalain
> Marc wrote:
> >
> >   Chalain> i already began the icons. But i wonder
> if it's not
> >   Chalain> more resource for not a lot of advance.
> >
> > Yes!  Pretty icons are a waste of limited memory! 
> Don't do it!
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[pilot-db-list] DeveloperStudio 2.5

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Hi

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Anyone can help me?

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[pilot-db-list] Re: icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

i think to find a solution. i use ascii icon. the prc file is smaller, the length of buttons too, but the icons are not really pretty!!!
If you want an idea of the icon send me an email i'll send you a beta4 with icons and another with ascii icons.
I found an another problem with icons, i must build prc with color icons then DB should use more memory.
Salut,
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Re: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[Carson W. <car...@ya...>]

I agree that it is a good idea to keep the prc file as
small as possible. If increasing it's size adds to the
functionality that is fine, but simply adding icons
doesn't do much to add to the functionality.

Carson

--- Chalain Marc <mar...@vo...> wrote:
> I'm not desagree, but i have a problem of space for
> the button and of translation.
> i builded a version with some icons the size is 416
> bytes weigther.
> What's your point of view??
> i need the maximum of answers to this questions,
> please.
> Salut,
> Marc.
> 
> >
> > >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, "Chalain" == Chalain
> Marc wrote:
> >
> >   Chalain> i already began the icons. But i wonder
> if it's not
> >   Chalain> more resource for not a lot of advance.
> >
> > Yes!  Pretty icons are a waste of limited memory! 
> Don't do it!
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Re: [pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[Hal D. <hal...@ac...>]

>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, "Chalain" == Chalain Marc wrote:

  Chalain> i builded a version with some icons the size is 416
  Chalain> bytes weigther.

I can live with ~400 bytes.

I have recently had a bad experience with mobipocket
(http://www.mobipocket.com)

Their latest code has greyscale bitmaps all over the place and 
the size went from ~90K to >300K.  I am most unhappy with them!

--Hal

[pilot-db-list] icons are a waste of limited memory!?

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

I'm not desagree, but i have a problem of space for the button and of translation.
i builded a version with some icons the size is 416 bytes weigther.
What's your point of view??
i need the maximum of answers to this questions, please.
Salut,
Marc.

> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, "Chalain" =3D=3D Chalain Marc wrote:
> 
>   Chalain> i already began the icons. But i wonder if it's not
>   Chalain> more resource for not a lot of advance.
> 
> Yes!  Pretty icons are a waste of limited memory!  Don't do it!

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[pilot-db-list] Driver plugins crash DB

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

Sorry,
i should rebuild all driver plugins.
I changed the driver for db3 but not for the others.
excuse-me, don't use the current plugin. i will upload the drivers this night. I just need to recompile the plugins.

Salut,
Marc.

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Re: [pilot-db-list] RE: filter on find function

[Hal D. <hal...@ac...>]

>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, "Chalain" == Chalain Marc wrote:

  Chalain> i already began the icons. But i wonder if it's not
  Chalain> more resource for not a lot of advance.

Yes!  Pretty icons are a waste of limited memory!  Don't do it!


--Hal

[pilot-db-list] Update: Crash at application start

[Leiss, Klaus-G. 3. PPE-E. <Kla...@de...>]

Hello,
I unistalled MobileDB for test purposes
and now have the same behaviour.
The application crashes with a Fatal Exception.
I have not compiled the plugins myself. I
used the zip file from SourceForge. Maybe
this archive is corrupted.


With kind regards

Klaus leiss

[pilot-db-list] Crash at application start

[Leiss, Klaus-G. 3. PPE-E. <Kla...@de...>]

Hello,
today i tried the beta 4 of db 0.3.2. If I load
any plugins to the pilot I get a

Fatal Exception

I have tried the information and the MobileDB
plugin. This is the case with either db-de.prc
or db-en.prc. If i have only the application installed
I get no exception but i can not open my databases
since they are in MobileDB format. I have also
MobileDB installed.

Another Item is the naming of the plugins. I would like
to suggest that the name starts with the same characters
as the application. That means

DB-MobileDB and not db-MobileDB
DB-information and not information

That way the are grouped together with the application in
if you sort by name.


With kind regards

Klaus leiss

[pilot-db-list] RE: filter on find function

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

> Peter Kane wrotes.

> Another small point. Have you thought about icons instead of buttons with
> text at the bottom of the screen?

i already began the icons. But i wonder if it's not more resource for not a lot of advance.

> Also, can the plug-ins be integrated into the pull-down menus instead of having a separate form to activate?

It was my first idea but it's a little more complicate, but i will see that in a close future because it will reduce the size of DB.

Salut,
Marc.
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Re:[pilot-db-list] Filter in 0.3.2beta4

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

thank Oliver,
I will try to build a SQL filter with saved request in the future. but for that i need some progress of prc-tools. Then i ask you to be a little patient.
Salut,
Marc.


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[pilot-db-list] Filter in 0.3.2beta4

[Oliver G. <oli...@we...>]

Hi there!

I just tried the new beta4 version and I just love the new filter
search! This has been on my personal wish list since the very
first time I used db.

What I'd still wish for are named filters, where I can define
filter criteria save them (much like the views) and recall
them by picking the filter from a popup-list. 

Also I would love it if I could enter more than one search
criteria. For example, I have the list of my DVD collection
in my Palm. So when I chose a movie I'd like to watch, I'd
like to be able to filter something like "all DVDs that
I haven't seen yet and that are fantasy movies".

Also, a display of how many rows matched the search criteria
would be nice (maybe a plugin?).

I don't expect for these features to be included in one of the
next versions, I just wanted to let you know what would be
useful to me (and what I think may be useful for other users
too).

I'm very pleased with the progress of DB in the last half year.
I'd especially like to thank Marc for his efforts. You're
doing a great job, please keep it up!

Regards,
		Oliver

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[pilot-db-list] wish list

[Carson W. <car...@ya...>]

Just throwing these out for comment and hopfully some
future release.

1: Support for floating point numbers

2: Calculated fields (I've mentioned this one before)

3: Linking between databases

4: Filtering/views (viewing all data prior to or
between two dates in a date field)

Carson


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[pilot-db-list] Re: Viable ways to incorportate Access

[Tom D. <td...@us...>]

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On Tuesday 10 July 2001 04:40 pm, Justin Hubbard wrote:

> I was just wondering if you knew of any viable options to
> place a Microsoft Access Database file onto a hand held,
> either palm or other PDA.

For the DB program, the only way currently is to dump the database to a text 
file and use the palm-db-tools (http://palm-db-tools.sourceforge.net/) to 
convert the text file into a PDB file.

As for other database programs, several support either direct conversion from 
Access or conduit access to Access via the desktop utilities supplied with 
each product. Check each product for specifics. Some products include JFile, 
MobileDB, HandDBase, and ThinkDB.

Re:[pilot-db-list] Bugs, features, and random musings (long)

[Mike R. <mik...@al...>]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Tom Dyas wrote:
> Boolean fields are stored as a single byte. Look at the DB_PackRecord
> function to see how fields are packed into the PalmOS database. The PDB file
> is so large because the PDB file contains not only the packed data but also a
> header containing the database structure as well as the PalmOS record headers
> and PalmOS PDB header. There is a lot more in the PDB file than just the data!

Yes, I think I got snookered by the fact that the csv and pdb files were
almost exactly the same size. I finally looked at the code a bit, and you
have it right. (Well, at least as far as I can understand such things.)
I'll still take my bit field though ... :-)

> It should be possible to give CVS access to people doing a lot of
> documentation so that you could just update the DB source tree directly with
> the documentation.
>
> I am thinking the documentation should probably reside in the docs/
> subdirectory just like the existing documentation. We could have:

The open source program I'm assisting (LyX) has a separate CVS area for
documentation. Just before the release of a new version of LyX, they copy
over the latest documentation into their .../lib/docs directory. Perhaps a
similar scheme could be employed here? This keeps incompetent programmers
(like me) from accidentally touching code, while allowing us to play with
the docs.

Mike

-- 
Mike Ressler
mik...@al...
OK, I'm lame: I don't have my own website ...

[pilot-db-list] need help

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

i'm looking for some help.
Now before to update the download page with a new beta i would like some people test the future version. If you are interested send me an email, i will answer with the future version. Now, Peter, Carson and Tom help me to test.

I need some charitable people to update the help strings of DB that are at the end of the db.rcp file.

The last but not the least, i'm looking for developers to implement new plugins:
 * a memopad export (very simple).
 * a die roller, for role playing game (unuse but good for a first plugin with forms).
 * the sort editor of Tom (very hard, a lot of modifications, the plugins don't accept global variables).
 * the linkaware feature (impossible now, it need some support inside DB).
for all of this plugins i can give a lot of information ( begining code, flow chart...).

Information: i added filtering to DB. it runs but with a plugin that i should complete.

Salut,
Marc.
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[pilot-db-list] bug in 0.3.2beta3

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

Tom found a bug in the 0.3.2beta3
When you duplicate a DataBase with a note, DB doesn't find the Note.
I updated the CVS tree, and if you want a version without this bug, you will find in the download page a snapshot with binary of the CVS tree.
I will build a beta4 in one week i'm waiting to correct more bugs.

Salut,
Marc.

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Re:[pilot-db-list] Bugs, features, and random musings (long)

[Tom D. <td...@us...>]

On Thursday 05 July 2001 12:58 pm, mik...@al... wrote:

> But storing them as "true" and "false" requires 4 and 5 bytes,
> respectively. At worst, they could be stored as a native 16-bit integer 0
> or 1; this would consume 2 bytes each - a > 50% savings. If they could be
> stored as 8-bit bytes, then it's > 75%. Surely either of those would be
> preferable to text strings! Again, I haven't looked at the code, so maybe
> I'm full of hot air, but _if_ they are really stored as strings, you could
> save a lot of space by converting them.

Boolean fields are stored as a single byte. Look at the DB_PackRecord 
function to see how fields are packed into the PalmOS database. The PDB file 
is so large because the PDB file contains not only the packed data but also a 
header containing the database structure as well as the PalmOS record headers 
and PalmOS PDB header. There is a lot more in the PDB file than just the data!

> Thanks again for a great program! I noticed at least one person
> volunteered for documentation. If you would like a "doc team", I'll help
> out.

It should be possible to give CVS access to people doing a lot of 
documentation so that you could just update the DB source tree directly with 
the documentation.

I am thinking the documentation should probably reside in the docs/ 
subdirectory just like the existing documentation. We could have:

docs/manual/en
docs/manual/fr

and such to support more than one language.

Re:[pilot-db-list] Bugs, features, and random musings (long)

[Tom D. <td...@us...>]

On Thursday 05 July 2001 12:58 pm, mik...@al... wrote:

> P.S. Anyone know why my "Author" name shows up as "alum.mit.edu" in the
> email archive, rather than something a little more intelligible?

Just a guess but probably because your "From" header is:

  From: <mik...@al...>

instead of something like:

  From: "Mike Ressler" <mik...@al...>

Check your email program for option such as "Real Name" or "Full Name".

Re: [pilot-db-list] Tr:Re: db-0_3_2beta3.zip broken?

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

Sorry i went to quick yesterday, i rebuilded each file but not tested them.
Salut,
Marc.

> I was able to unzip the file, but the db-en.prc is
> corrupted and couldn't be installed. This was on a
> linux box.
> 
> Carson.

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[pilot-db-list] pilot-DB questions/requests

[Carson W. <car...@ya...>]

Hi,

I'd like to move some of my databases off of thinkDB
and onto palm-DB but a couple of things are preventing
me from doing this.

1: As I mentioned in another email, calculated fields.

2: The ability to create views/filters, I'd like to be
able to do this to allow the deletion of all items in
the view, say prior to a given date in a date field.

3: The ability to link one database to another. For
example I use thinkDB for time keeping and maintain a
list of projects in another database and a list of
tasks that my client wants me to charge to in another.
I link to these from the timekeeping database.

I hope all of that makes some sense. If any of this is
now possible, I'd appreciate any pointers.


Thanks,
Carson


=====
Carson Wilcox
Senior Architect
DMR Consulting
Tampa, FL USA

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