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System-wide PC Audio Equalizer and Effects app for Windows 7 to 11
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I've been creating a midside effect panel in Peace. Won't be long before you can test it.
Already?? Isn't that too soon? !
Well, it does need the translations for other languages supported by Peace. But other than that it's good to go although I haven't included 2 knobs for changing the Q value of the 2 filters. It might be needed. But this version does include the speaker positioning without upmixing so for 5.1 and 7.1 signals.
You can download this beta version 16.7.6 from my Dropbox. Copy it to c:\program files\equalizerapo\config, overwriting the existing Peace.txt.
interesting. I don't think it's bad. Good start.
I saw "OnlyPostioning" in Upmix tab. All right, that would be useful.
I think the knob on the mid side is okay too. (It looks a little small)
It seems that clipping automatic prevention is not possible depending on the gain value inside the midside, right?
Also, This is just my opinion but it would be nice if the UI was streamlined or gathered by category.
Unfortunately I can't remove the existing upmix and downmix stuff from the main effects panel. These are already being used and work a little bit differently then the stuff on the new Upmix panel. But indeed this effects panel does look a bit messy. One problem is that there isn't a mutual agreement of the most important effects. For instance, some want the bass to be the first knob, others want cross feeding as the intend to use the headphones only. I do can say that stereo widening, expander and echo aren't used much.
Although I've already change the layout of the effects panel I can take a look if things can further be improved.
You are right. What you need and prefer will really vary from person to person. So you need more feedback!(Such as ASR,Headfi, Reddit, Discord ...etc) =)
Personally, yes.
Actually, I'm not a big fan of sliders either. I prefer to type numbers myself or turn the mouse wheel to adjust them. This will really vary from person to person.
I prefer the equalizer shape of REW the most. (just my opinion)
Even if a majority of people on these forums will come to a (static) effects panel layout (and this is a big If) then a minority wants something else. I think the obvious solution is an effect panel on which the user can select his/hers most important effect (s).
Haven't you used the Peace graph for EQ-ing? Once you have clicked on a graph handle (by checking the right checkbox below left) this handle can be moved by mouse scroll wheel (besides being dragged). It shapes the EQ accurately and nicely. However the Peace graph doesn't include the input fields nor filter selections as in REW. I'm not sure what will be prefered. I'm also liking the graph approach although I intend to use sliders too. A graph look can be a little too much for some users. That's what I have noticed. You and I aren't "afraid" of graphs, others seemingly are. Anyway, one idea I have is a toggle on the main screen by which one can change the view from sliders to graph and vice versa.
Discord :)
I think people don't like complicated, and whether they'd understand graphs is another matter. Of course, there is always the manual. But we all know about manuals!
Yes. You're right.
I know graph EQ, and the way it's visualized is pretty good, similar to how it looks in most DAWs and VSTs.
But that's a visual thing, and as I wrote in a previous comment, I prefer the look of REW's filters the most. (So I'm more comfortable adjusting the configuration directly in APO, like this: Filter: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -9 dB Q 2 (very personal).
And again, I agree. Most people don't like complexity - they like "one-click solutions" best. Simple.
But the sad part is that most of those people don't seem to leave a lot of comments, and while I'd love to hear what they have to say, I don't think I'm the only geek who comes to a feature request and talks to them. =(
I'm in the fortunate position of having to deal with thousands of comments. That have let me to a position that there isn't an all-fits-all solution. But I think there is room for improvement of the current Peace or any other similar app for that matter. But I have to say I struggle to think of an ultimate solution, one that's much better than the current Peace. The Configuration Editor has some flexibility for the technical minded. I understand that you like the commands. On the other hand, a decent app similar in setup needs to have commands logical combined in features like upmixing, bass knobs, etc.
Anyway, I took a look at REW filters window to properly see what you're talking about. I guess it's nice that one can see what an individual filter does in the tiny views above the filter selection. It's nice and compact although one can argue if these tiny views have any relevance. But it's a nice feature to look at. What I do like are the plus and minus buttons next to the input fields. That's a better solution than the usual Windows spinners (up/down arrows) which are far less user-friendly. But there is one major downfall having the tiny views and plus/minus buttons. These take up a lot of horizontal space. For detailed EQ-ing with many filters this is bad. I know that some Peace users uses a lot of filters/sliders. Btw. I could argue too many but it isn't up to me. I know from experience that many hifi/audio lovers and geeks tend to have many EQ-points. A good app should support this.
Yes. This is just my personal opinion, so don't take it too seriously. =)
I mention this because the developers of programs like EQ APO, Hesuvi, and others rarely update actively at this point, whereas you are so receptive to feedback.
I'm curious to see what others think. In addition to these UIs and equalizers, there are other things that other people have been looking for, such as a
I know but I consider everything. That's how the Peace equalizer project works. I don't mind to take things a little serious. From my point of view it's awful to seen that Equalizer APO and related projects (excluding the AutoEQ project) are so rarely updated and badly supported. And they are good projects. Then again, not everyone is up for the commitment which I set myself to. And that's perfectly understandable.
I guess you have more to say here 😃
Do you prefer sliders and frequency input fields as on the main equalizer instead of the current mid side rotary knobs?
The automatic clipping prevention doesn't apply for many effects. It's quite a task do include every effect, in programming it and in calculating it by Peace. The later could mean some higher CPU processing time which creates UI to be slower.
After some thinking I came up with a better solution of setting up mid side processing in Peace. I've created the possibility to create and use virtual speakers (channels). This means for a mid side config (as you'll find attached) one can use the equalizer to its full extend instead of having only 2 sliders on the mid side interface (which I first made before the virtual speaker feature).
Download version 1.6.7.7 and copy it and the attached config to c:\program files\equalizerapo\config.
In the mid side config you'll see 6 speakers:
- left and right which are the source
- mid and side virtual speakers created from the left and right
- left after and right after which are the result of the mixed mid/side speakers
When clicking on the Speaker change button you can see how things are done, in principle the same the original mid side commands you have presented.
Obviously the EQ-ing is to be done on the virtual mid/side speakers.
Sorry for the late reply and check. I missed the mailing =(
(Most of the mailing alerts me by mail, but there are times when I miss it, so I wanted to have a Discord channel in case of this)
It is certainly more intuitive than previous knobs.
And the functionality of the virtual channel is exactly the same as the purpose of the mid/side.
I also like that i can choose shelf filter as i want, including the peaking filter.
I think that's a good idea.
No problem.
I'm not sure what to do. The virtual speakers feature now can do it all, mid side processing config and more. In principle we don't need the new mid side interface. On the other hand, it's nice to have. What do you think? Should I remove this new mid side interface or just leave it there?
I think it's safe to remove it. Virtual is already functioning and more intuitive.
One question is, is it possible to make Virtual separately as some sort of toggle window rather than a preset? At the moment it works just as well as intended, but it's going to get a bit complicated when you mix it across multiple channels (for example, seven channels)
The feature of virtual channels isn't a preset. I just made a midside preset with it as a good example. Like a normal channel a virtual channel can be added to the speakers list. On the speaker selection interface a user has 3 options: all speakers, a combi of speakers or a virtual speaker by entering a command.
Of course, when having multiple virtual channels mixing to multiple normal ones is a bit complicated. But having a list of virtual and normal channels to EQ separately can be a powerful setup.
Oh I don't think I understood the configuration exactly. You're right.
That seems to be a good enough change for now.
Is there any suggestions other than Mid/Side?
Dozens but most of them are already available on the Effects panel. For instance, a mono config: MONO = 0.5*L+0.5*R where MONO can be equalized. Another example is cross feeding a 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Currently the Effects panel cross feeds all speakers with 1 cross feed knob. Now with virtual speakers one can cross feed the front, side and rear separately.
Oh i mean, I was wondering if anyone else wanted anything else.
It seems to me that the features of peace are already full like Christmas presents.
O, right. The virtual channels were on my wishlist for ages. Can't remember if I put it there or someone else 😃 But Equalizer APO has this ability thus Peace should too. Indeed, another Chrismas present to discover.
Hey Peter, Can only certain channels within Peace use reverse phase?
For example
Copy: VC=0.500L+0.500R
Copy: C=-1.0*VC
maybe wrong?
I think I can write this down directly on the command tab, but I was wondering if it was assigned to the buttons as well.
Last edit: dingdong3 2024-07-09
I guess I would do it with the new virtual channel feature as can be seen in the attached .peace config file. But if Peace can't do a reverse of a virtual channel than Equalizer APO can't either as it's the same command.
When talking about a button for engaging this then you might use the enable/disable button on the C=-1.0*VC speaker:
- Select this speaker
- Click on small button to the right of the 'Select speaker' text.