Oh, I was apologizing to you.
I posted on the community because I wanted you to get more people's opinions, but I feel sorry for coming to you with something that wasn't faithful to basic functions (tutorials) rather than productive feedback from the beginning.. =(
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I don't see a problem in discussing things on other forums or here. Everyone is entitled to his/hers opinion. So no need to apologize here. Of course, I'll say things how I see them based on my gained knowledge. But I'm known to be wrong too on some occasions 😃
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In Peace, The gain value of EQ can only be designated as something like 0.5, 1db only, so can you adjust this in 0.1db units like APO?
Of course, it's not a huge difference, but it's a little bit of a case of being rounded up at will and changing the value.
Last edit: dingdong3 2024-08-29
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Just go to the "Sizes and amounts" tab in the Settings and alter the "Snap to dB gain" value. By default it's on 0.5 dB as the human ear can't even distinguish 1 dB. But it can be set as small as 0.01 dB.
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oh nice. I opened the number setting window for the first time. lol
thanks.
human ear can't even distinguish 1 dB
Maybe yes or no. When it is applied as a mono (for all), 0.1 db units can be hard to notice.
But it was quite significant when we applied EQ to the concept of two channels, and furthermore to the concept of four channels (Trustereo), because the difference of 0.01db, not 0.1db, could also be the beginning of confusion, depending on the configuration.
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I think it's more a matter of how EQ presets from Oratory1990, AutoEQ, etc.
are distributed. People look for inputting those values and they think it's
not possible.
I think defaulting to 0.1 is a wise choice in this regard.
Good remark. When using an AutoEQ preset, either from the Peace AutoEQ interface or by import, it shows the proper value. But I feel you're right about the notion that it may not be possible looking at the default snap value.
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Hey Peter, When you export the audacity curve equalizer in peace, most of it applies to the EQ I set up, but sometimes it's weirdly exported.
If you repeat this a few times or change the name when you export it, sometimes it works normally again, but sometimes it doesn't.
What's wrong with this?
Hmm... weird .
I was using the beta that you shared the link to the existing peace, and I was wondering if it would be okay to install a new official version, so I deleted all of them, installed the latest version, and exported them, and now this error occurs.
Weird!
+++ Reinstalling the previous version, the error is no longer happening. But it still doesn't export to the EQ I wrote.
I thought it might be because there are too many filters, so I reduced the number of filters.
But it's still very different.Obviously, it works well when it works, but it doesn't work like this when it doesn't.
The problem with exporting to Audacity is the differences between Audacity and biquad filters of Equalizer APO (Peace has as default these filters like the peak filter). In principle there are 2 differences:
1. Audacity probably uses convolution. Those are distinct frequencies with sharp edges as can also be seen on your screenshot.
2. Audacity uses fixed frequencies so Peace export feature calculates the gains for these frequencies.
In other words, the exported EQ is an approximation of the EQ in Peace.
When using graphic EQ (activated by clicking on the GEQ button) the EQ will be different compared to the biquad filters but the benefit is that it's going to be closer to the actual output to Audacity. Unfortunately graphic EQ could fail in Equalizer APO which causes a very high distortion. This doesn't happen a lot but because it can Peace doesn't use this by default.
The fixed frequencies of Audacity may be changed now in newer versions. I could investigate this if this is the case.
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My current Audacity version is Audacity 3.4.2.
Do i have to change>?
And if so, I wonder if it works sometimes.
If it's not compatible properly, it shouldn't continue... (What I'm trying to say is that it applies to the shape of the EQ I wrote, but it doesn't reflect even a simple EQ when it doesn't work.)
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After some investigation (and remembering how the Peace export works) I see that I've used a fixed set of frequencies which in the lower ones might not accurately following the EQ curve (as shown by your screenshot). In other words, more frequencies need to be added in the export feature in the lower part of the frequency spectrum. Above 500 Hz the resolution is just fine.
Also, I found the bug you have encountered. I'll correct it.
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Also, I found the bug you have encountered. I'll correct it.
You means, Errror as i attached latest version?
In other words, more frequencies need to be added in the export feature in the lower part of the frequency spectrum. Above 500 Hz the resolution is just fine.
Is that also something that can be fixed in peace? I think it would be great if it works.
Of course, I don't use the export of peace, and I can use it by mixing it in Audacity after I apply the EQ in REW myself, but since the process gets a bit complicated...
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Yes, in version 1.6.7.10 I found a bug in the export feature. The export only works if the graph window has been opened or when the EQ is changed.
Is that also something that can be fixed in peace?
Not in the current version but for the upcoming version I've added an input field in which a resolution can be given which determines the number of exported frequencies. This means that the user can influence the resolution of the imported EQ in Audacity. A lower frequency resolution value means more frequencies thus a more accurate EQ which better mimic the EQ in Peace. Besides, these frequencies will be far better spread over the frequency spectrum causing on itself a better EQ at lower frequencies in Audacity.
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Not in the current version but for the upcoming version I've added an input field in which a resolution can be given which determines the number of exported frequencies. This means that the user can influence the resolution of the imported EQ in Audacity. A lower frequency resolution value means more frequencies thus a more accurate EQ which better mimic the EQ in Peace. Besides, these frequencies will be far better spread over the frequency spectrum causing on itself a better EQ at lower frequencies in Audacity.
Peace 2.0? or just next build?
I cant wait!!!
But I have one question.
What is the disadvantage of setting the number like that?
The advantage is that it works close to the EQ that I wrote before
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It will be in the upcoming version 1.6.8. Perhaps you like a beta version?
One general small disadvantage: When having many frequency points in an Audacity EQ filter curve it's more difficult to change this curve in Audacity. But the source EQ will be changed in Peace anyway and then exported so disadvantage there.
Also, I found a limit of Audacity. I think it can't handle more than 200 curve frequency points. But this is more than enough for a detailed EQ curve.
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This beta version has the new export feature of entering the number of frequencies. And of course the improved spreading of these frequencies over the frequency spectrum. After downloading Peace.exe copy it to c:\program files\equalizerapo\config, overwriting the existing file.
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Oops, Did I make a mistake?
It may be my fault for posting on the community without permission. =( sory
I'm not sure why and to whom you're apologizing. It isn't necessary.
Oh, I was apologizing to you.
I posted on the community because I wanted you to get more people's opinions, but I feel sorry for coming to you with something that wasn't faithful to basic functions (tutorials) rather than productive feedback from the beginning.. =(
I don't see a problem in discussing things on other forums or here. Everyone is entitled to his/hers opinion. So no need to apologize here. Of course, I'll say things how I see them based on my gained knowledge. But I'm known to be wrong too on some occasions 😃
In Peace, The gain value of EQ can only be designated as something like 0.5, 1db only, so can you adjust this in 0.1db units like APO?
Of course, it's not a huge difference, but it's a little bit of a case of being rounded up at will and changing the value.
Last edit: dingdong3 2024-08-29
Just go to the "Sizes and amounts" tab in the Settings and alter the "Snap to dB gain" value. By default it's on 0.5 dB as the human ear can't even distinguish 1 dB. But it can be set as small as 0.01 dB.
oh nice. I opened the number setting window for the first time. lol
thanks.
human ear can't even distinguish 1 dB
I guess you can now play around with the settings. Lots to discover 😃
For new installation of Peace I've now set the default snap value to 0.1 dB. Perhaps it's better than 0.5, also after reading your comment on it.
Last edit: Peter Verbeek 2024-08-29
I think it's more a matter of how EQ presets from Oratory1990, AutoEQ, etc.
are distributed. People look for inputting those values and they think it's
not possible.
I think defaulting to 0.1 is a wise choice in this regard.
Il Gio 29 Ago 2024, 14:50 Peter Verbeek peverbeek@users.sourceforge.net
ha scritto:
Good remark. When using an AutoEQ preset, either from the Peace AutoEQ interface or by import, it shows the proper value. But I feel you're right about the notion that it may not be possible looking at the default snap value.
The 0.1 dB snap value is now available for new downloads of version 1.6.7.10 and newer.
Hey Peter, When you export the audacity curve equalizer in peace, most of it applies to the EQ I set up, but sometimes it's weirdly exported.
If you repeat this a few times or change the name when you export it, sometimes it works normally again, but sometimes it doesn't.
What's wrong with this?
Is it because of the Q value that I'm guessing?
But I don't think this is because it works well inside APO
Hmm... weird .
I was using the beta that you shared the link to the existing peace, and I was wondering if it would be okay to install a new official version, so I deleted all of them, installed the latest version, and exported them, and now this error occurs.
Weird!
+++ Reinstalling the previous version, the error is no longer happening. But it still doesn't export to the EQ I wrote.
Last edit: dingdong3 2024-09-16
I thought it might be because there are too many filters, so I reduced the number of filters.
But it's still very different.Obviously, it works well when it works, but it doesn't work like this when it doesn't.
The problem with exporting to Audacity is the differences between Audacity and biquad filters of Equalizer APO (Peace has as default these filters like the peak filter). In principle there are 2 differences:
1. Audacity probably uses convolution. Those are distinct frequencies with sharp edges as can also be seen on your screenshot.
2. Audacity uses fixed frequencies so Peace export feature calculates the gains for these frequencies.
In other words, the exported EQ is an approximation of the EQ in Peace.
When using graphic EQ (activated by clicking on the GEQ button) the EQ will be different compared to the biquad filters but the benefit is that it's going to be closer to the actual output to Audacity. Unfortunately graphic EQ could fail in Equalizer APO which causes a very high distortion. This doesn't happen a lot but because it can Peace doesn't use this by default.
The fixed frequencies of Audacity may be changed now in newer versions. I could investigate this if this is the case.
My current Audacity version is Audacity 3.4.2.
Do i have to change>?
And if so, I wonder if it works sometimes.
If it's not compatible properly, it shouldn't continue... (What I'm trying to say is that it applies to the shape of the EQ I wrote, but it doesn't reflect even a simple EQ when it doesn't work.)
After some investigation (and remembering how the Peace export works) I see that I've used a fixed set of frequencies which in the lower ones might not accurately following the EQ curve (as shown by your screenshot). In other words, more frequencies need to be added in the export feature in the lower part of the frequency spectrum. Above 500 Hz the resolution is just fine.
Also, I found the bug you have encountered. I'll correct it.
You means, Errror as i attached latest version?
Is that also something that can be fixed in peace? I think it would be great if it works.
Of course, I don't use the export of peace, and I can use it by mixing it in Audacity after I apply the EQ in REW myself, but since the process gets a bit complicated...
Yes, in version 1.6.7.10 I found a bug in the export feature. The export only works if the graph window has been opened or when the EQ is changed.
Not in the current version but for the upcoming version I've added an input field in which a resolution can be given which determines the number of exported frequencies. This means that the user can influence the resolution of the imported EQ in Audacity. A lower frequency resolution value means more frequencies thus a more accurate EQ which better mimic the EQ in Peace. Besides, these frequencies will be far better spread over the frequency spectrum causing on itself a better EQ at lower frequencies in Audacity.
Peace 2.0? or just next build?
I cant wait!!!
But I have one question.
What is the disadvantage of setting the number like that?
The advantage is that it works close to the EQ that I wrote before
It will be in the upcoming version 1.6.8. Perhaps you like a beta version?
One general small disadvantage: When having many frequency points in an Audacity EQ filter curve it's more difficult to change this curve in Audacity. But the source EQ will be changed in Peace anyway and then exported so disadvantage there.
Also, I found a limit of Audacity. I think it can't handle more than 200 curve frequency points. But this is more than enough for a detailed EQ curve.
I like beta. Of course, maybe i can wait
This beta version has the new export feature of entering the number of frequencies. And of course the improved spreading of these frequencies over the frequency spectrum. After downloading Peace.exe copy it to c:\program files\equalizerapo\config, overwriting the existing file.