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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2005-03-04 07:06:20
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Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:23:02 -0800 From: "Peter Constable" <pet...@mi...> To: "Indic" <in...@un...> Subject: [indic] Sindhi Devanagari I'm looking for materials in Sindhi language using Devanagari script and am not finding it easy to find much. Any pointers that anyone can provide? I'd love to find a Sindhi or Sindhi-English dictionary, but other things as well would be useful. Peter Constable |
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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@in...> - 2005-03-03 08:20:35
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Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:23:02 -0800 From: "Peter Constable" <pet...@mi...> To: "Indic" <in...@un...> Subject: [indic] Sindhi Devanagari I'm looking for materials in Sindhi language using Devanagari script and am not finding it easy to find much. Any pointers that anyone can provide? I'd love to find a Sindhi or Sindhi-English dictionary, but other things as well would be useful. Peter Constable |
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From: Tapan P. <ta...@cs...> - 2005-03-02 16:07:56
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [GKD] The $100 Computer: A Polite Scam Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:43:15 +0000 From: Pat Hall <p.a...@bt...> Reply-To: gk...@ph... To: gk...@ph... Dear Colleagues, We have had many thoughtful and thought-provoking postings about the hardware end of that mythical $100 computer, so let's focus back at the software end without which the hardware is useless. We all seem to assume that Linux plus Gnome or KDE plus Open Office is the way forward, and maybe that is so, though I have some reservations that I will attempt to unpick some other time. For the moment I want to come back to the interface language, picked up by Lishan Adam and Edward Cherlin, and explain why I think this is not that simple. Lishan Adam says in his posting of 23rd February: > It would be good if N. Negroponte sends a couple of the $100 computers > to the universities in developing countries, especially in Africa where > young people turn them around to speak local languages and talk to > radios. Computers should be given to colleges and universities, and the young people there should be encouraged to make the translations and localisations necessary. Most African languages are written in the Roman script, or extensions of it, though there are important exceptions in the north and east. This means that the first step, that of representing the writing system in the computer, is unnecessary, or at most only necessary for some diacritics that can be worked around. But then to translate the interface text, help files, etc, requires agreement on translations for the technical terms, and an agreed orthography (spelling) for the language. In South Africa some languages have rival orthographic systems, one set up by Dutch missionaries, the other by English missionaries, each basing their spelling on the different phonetic use of the Roman system in their own European languages. Some agreement must be reached in the wider community long before these get further embedded in software. And later, it you want spell checkers, you need word lists and maybe some grammatical (morphological) understanding of the language. You cannot leave all this to a group of enthusiastic students; some community level process is essential. If you want to see the kind of chaos that can result you need look no further than South Asia, where during the age of True Type fonts all sorts of ad hoc solutions for rendering the local complex writing systems were arrived at, all mutually incompatible and incapable of exchanging information. Looking to the Simputer, as Edward Cherlin does in his posting of 23rd February, we see how grossly you can misrepresent what is necessary. India has in excess of 500 languages, some say more than 1500 languages (look on the CIIL or SIL websites), mostly unwritten. By contrast the Simputer is enabled for a few of the dominant languages of India in which there is a long established tradition of writing. This does not mean that what the Simputer is doing is not worthwhile, just that it is only scratching the surface of what is needed in India. Unwritten languages need to be given appropriate writing systems, there needs to be an agreed orthography, and so on. One thousand times over in South Asia, six thousand times over worldwide. However the underlying reasoning of Lishan is quite right, you cannot impose localisation from outside, and for most of the world's languages you cannot leave it to market forces either. The communities that use these languages are too poor and as was argued in so many postings, have other preoccupations about where to spend their money and time. The example of Irish, excavated by Edward from the LRC website, is an excellent example; there is no market for computers working in Irish so the only way Irish gets into computers is through enthusiasts and activists like Michael Everson. So if all these languages are to be supported by computers, then the effort must be found in the local communities where the interest is in doing so and the tacit expertise lies. But this needs some gentle coordination and knowledge sharing, like Localisation Dev is doing. And that is also where the Global Initiative for Local Computing (GILC) comes in. We want to help those critically important language and technology activists around the world help themselves. GILC will be formally launched at the "LRC-X Conference: The Development Localisation Event" in Limerick, Ireland, 13-14 September 2005. In recognition of the financial constraints that are placed upon many of the people that this conference would be relevant to, the LRC have decided to implement the following measures: * Free conference registration for a limited number (50) of delegates subject to individual financial constraints. Please contact <LR...@ul...> should you feel that you might be eligible for a free registration. The LRC will also assist individual delegates with accommodation expenses, where needed. * The authors of the 10 best papers submitted will receive free conference registration and a cash re-imbursement to be put towards their travel expenses. A review board appointed by the LRC will select the papers. For details and updates visit <www.localisation.ie> Alternatively, if you are privileged enough to be able to attend the Unicode conference in Berlin in April, come to our session. Otherwise, email us: Pat Hall <p.a...@op...> Reinhard Schaeler <rei...@ul...> Global Initiative for Local Computing ------------ ***GKD is solely supported by EDC, a Non-Profit Organization*** To post a message, send it to: <gk...@ma...> To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to: <maj...@ma...>. In the 1st line of the message type: subscribe gkd OR type: unsubscribe gkd Archives of previous GKD messages can be found at: <http://www.edc.org/GLG/gkd/> |
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From: Abhijit D. <kut...@ya...> - 2005-02-24 10:17:59
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http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/microsoft.html The Microsoft Memo Bill Gates hires open source icon Linus Torvalds? That was just the beginning of Redmond's hybrid strategy to face the free software age. By Gary Wolf Regards Abhijit ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2005-02-21 18:42:20
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These guys, young friends from West Bengal, are trying to get the tribal Santhali language working with Free Software. Below is a self-explanatory entry from http://blogs.randomink.org/ It is from "Weekend Aantel". Sayamindu from Kolkata was mentioning the Santhali project recently. [Wikipedia has this to say about Santhali, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santhali: Santali is a language in the Munda subfamily of Austro-Asiatic, related to Ho and Mundari. It is spoken by about six million people in India, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Bhutan. Most of its speakers live in India, in the states of Jharkhand, Assam, Bihar, Orissa, Tripura, and West Bengal. It has its own alphabet, known as Ol Cemet', but literacy is very low, between 10 and 30%. Santali is spoken by the Santhals.] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Adieu Mandal Hembrom! Weekend Aantel 21/02/2005 - 17:23 Mandal Hembrom passed away at TMC, Mumbai, today in the early morning. He was under-going treatment at TMC. I don't yet have the details of the exact cause of death, but so far it is known that his condition detoriarated after he underwent Chemotheraphy and lapsed into a severe cardiac arrest. Mandal-da was the lead linguist (as also being a native speaker) in our Santhali CASTLE Project. His death is not just a great loss to our project, but a loss to all the Santhals struggling to establish their identity in a globalised world that dictates a lop-sided homogeneity at the cost of losing unique cultural traits, language and social structures. Mandal-da's illness was detected at an advanced stage. He wanted to use the time he had to complete the work on the translation of the strings. Unfortunately, he was taken away from us before that could happen! Perhaps, its a strange co-incidence that today happens to be the International Mother Language Day (21st Feb) that Mandal-da breathed his last. We need to reaffirm our commitment to the work on bridging the ICT divide. As I wrote in my "A walk across the Digital Divide" experience, its not as un-bridgable as it often sounds. Its only by ensuring the continuance of the Santhali L10N project that we can truly pay our respect to the dreams and efforts of Mandal Hembrom. END OF QUOTE On behalf of BytesForAll, let me dip our flag to all these guys trying to make computing work for for forgotten people and the poor... whose languages otherwise barely make for a 'viable market'. FN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle |
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From: Ravikant <rav...@sa...> - 2005-02-16 06:59:37
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Dear Sunil, I spent some time reading the document and it is a fairly comprehensive start. I have a few further suggestions. 1. We should also provide an index of projects undertaken, with links to status pages, so that people immediately know what is happening and how much has happened. Link to indlinux and other localization projects should be made available. 2. We have absolutely nothing on Font Converters here. Can be added in the fonts section. 3. Spellcheckers like Asspell should be a part of the Guide. 4. Something on building public corpora. New wiktionaries, using existing disctionaries. 5. There is no mention of community reviews, through wikis, or workshops. Open Office Hindi has suffered because it did not go through that process. I saw the hIndi version recently on a Fedora package in Linux Asia. Looks worse than microsoft. 6. Ditto for Usability Tests/Workshops. 7. A note on Standardization, and problems people face. How Hindi Films, Mass audio-visual media could be the model. 8. Either remove 'read if...' in red (in Input Method section) or put something more there. 9. In the Encoding sections, please provide a few examples, of web pages that do exist. Link to Unicode site needs to be added. 10. How about adding a section on various indian Languages with links to groups, resources, lists, etc. Hope I am not getting beyond the boundary you set for this guide. cheers Ravikant On Tuesday 15 Feb 2005 4:56 pm, sunil wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Reposting since I have not gotten any feedback yet. Hoping that I will > hear at least some short comments from you. > > The near final version of the IOSN-CDAC L10N How-To and Toolkit is now > available for a final round of comments and feedback. > > The main page contents listing of the CD is available at > http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/CD. It has links to the > guide, as well as the list of tools we will include in the CD. The > guide is almost done. You can see the current version at: > http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated in the HTML format. The > final bit of edits are in progress on the last 2-3 chapters. > > We would be very grateful if you could send you feedback in the next 10 > days. > > Thanks, > > Sunil > > Sunil Abraham Manager su...@ap... http://www.iosn.net > International Open Source Network - Software Freedom for All > UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme > Wisma UN, Block C Kompleks Pejabat Damansara. > Jalan Dungun, Damansara Heights. 50490 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > T: (60) 3-2091-5167, F: (60) 3-2095-2087 M: (60) 1-2205-3895 > "A world opened up by communications cannot remain closed up in a feudal > vision of property" - Gilberto Gil, Minister of Culture, Brazil |
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From: sunil <su...@ma...> - 2005-02-15 03:30:36
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Dear Colleagues, Reposting since I have not gotten any feedback yet. Hoping that I will hear at least some short comments from you. The near final version of the IOSN-CDAC L10N How-To and Toolkit is now available for a final round of comments and feedback. The main page contents listing of the CD is available at http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/CD. It has links to the guide, as well as the list of tools we will include in the CD. The guide is almost done. You can see the current version at: http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated in the HTML format. The final bit of edits are in progress on the last 2-3 chapters. We would be very grateful if you could send you feedback in the next 10 days. Thanks, Sunil Sunil Abraham Manager su...@ap... http://www.iosn.net International Open Source Network - Software Freedom for All UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme Wisma UN, Block C Kompleks Pejabat Damansara. Jalan Dungun, Damansara Heights. 50490 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia T: (60) 3-2091-5167, F: (60) 3-2095-2087 M: (60) 1-2205-3895 "A world opened up by communications cannot remain closed up in a feudal vision of property" - Gilberto Gil, Minister of Culture, Brazil -- Sunil Abraham, su...@ma... http://www.mahiti.org 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 51150580. Mob: (60) 1-2205-3895 Currently on sabbatical with APDIP/UNDP Manager - International Open Source Network Wisma UN, Block C Komplex Pejabat Damansara. Jalan Dungun, Damansara Heights. 50490 Kuala Lumpur. Tel: (60) 3-2091-5167, Fax: (60) 3-2095-2087 su...@ap... http://www.iosn.net http://www.apdip.net "A world opened up by communications cannot remain closed up in a feudal vision of property" - Gilberto Gil, Minister of Culture, Brazil |
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From: Ravikant <rav...@sa...> - 2005-02-07 06:28:44
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Dear Fred, Thanks for posting a useful article. Translators in Hindi also had got stuck on 'Password' untile we heard 'Simsim' from an Urdu list. Simsim comes from 'Khulja Simsim' of the famous story 'Alibaba and 40 thieves. cheers Ravikant On Sunday 06 Feb 2005 5:41 pm, Frederick Noronha (FN) wrote: > http://www.tacticaltech.org/asiasource/blog > > It's no tower of Babel, it's South Africa > By Frederick Noronha > > Countries from the South, emerging from a number of problems, can seem > like a Tower of Babel. But when it comes to coping with diversity, Dwayne > Bailey's story from South Africa makes the point nicely. Free/Libre and > Open Source Software can indeed offer interesting solutions even to > smaller languages. |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2005-02-06 12:21:24
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http://www.tacticaltech.org/asiasource/blog It's no tower of Babel, it's South Africa By Frederick Noronha Countries from the South, emerging from a number of problems, can seem like a Tower of Babel. But when it comes to coping with diversity, Dwayne Bailey's story from South Africa makes the point nicely. Free/Libre and Open Source Software can indeed offer interesting solutions even to smaller languages. From 2001, this slim South African started the Translate.org.za project. WIKIPEDIA notes: South Africa has eleven official languages, which is second only to India. As a result, there are many official names for the country. It also recognises eight non-official languages (Fanagalo, Lobedu, Northern Ndebele, Phuthi, Sign Language, Khoe, Nama, and San).? Dwayne explains what this is all about: "At Translate.org.za we're localising Free and Open Source Software into 11 South African languages. One is English, it's quite an easy one (smiles). The others are Afrikaans, Zulu, Khosa, Venda, Tsonga, Tswana, Siswati, Northern Sotho, Southern Sotho, Ndebele." All these languages use the Roman script. Bailey (33) points out that this makes the task easier. But it is a heavy task nonetheless. Some South African languages have special characters, but these are Romanised. "We have no problems with fonts or keyboards. With the Asian languages, it's the other way round, and there have been big problems." Bailey sees the project as doing well. Open Office, the free alternative word processor, has been done in four languages. Bailey expects six more to be completed by June 2005. Mozilla, the attention-grabbing useful web-browser, has also been done in seven languages. KDE, the desktop environment, has been done in four languages but fell behind because of a "changed idea of what should be done". Gnome has been completed in three languages, and the team is busy doing Fedora in three more. What's the secret for the apparent success of such an ambitious and, in many ways, daunting project? "Invent what you're doing. Nobody else is doing that. We have social objectives, that helps us define what we do. Otherwise you get pulled and pushed by everyone." Our golden rules, says Bailey, is that applications chosen for translation should be focussed at the end-user. "Our logic that (it should benefit) the people whom language would most affect. Someone who could program could have probably mastered English already. Localisation must be aimed at the end-user." Besides, Bailey clearly favours Free Software. "We're using donor's and state money. So, the work should be available to the people and Free Software allows us to do that. If we were using proprietary software, we would probably still be negotiating for the right to do the software. Lastly, he prefers cross-platform tools. Ones that are able to run on both Windows and GNU/Linux. "Clearly, the majority of people still use Windows. It's not our job to change that, though my personal views might be different," says he. Translate.co.za has been helping other countries that would like to learn from their experiences. And mistakes. How easy, or difficult, is it to actually localise a Roman script language? Says Bailey: "If you can avoid keyboard stuff, then you just look at translating. It's very easy to translate, but difficult to translate well. That's where we start looking at things in building glossaries." "We want people to translate, but not everyone should be doing it. Like the Linux kernel -- everyone wants to add code, but not all are allowed to do so (unless of proven competence). There are barriers to entry," says he. Bailey's approach is to usually reject an English word as an easy way out while translating. "If it's already in the culture, either in English or corrupted English, then it's fine," says he. To give an example: the team insisted that there was no word for 'password' in Zulu. They insisted there was no equivalent for 'proxy-server'. "Proxy is someone acting on your behalf. The Zulu have a word for guards that stand at the gate of the king's court. People often don't think long enough and hard enough about concepts." Some languages don't have a positive connotations for witches and wizards. It really means helper. "In fact, the best people to translate are not computer people but language people," he says. Finding people who are excited about their language, or care passionately for them, make for the best chances of success. How long does it take? A good translator can manage approx a thousand words a day. So, Open Office, with its 75,000 words would need some 75 working days. Then, the documentation is an additional 500,000 words. Quality assurance would take some more time. What's the kind of feedback he has received? Most has come from the language of Afrikaans. "Most just accept. But sometimes out of the 800,000 words you translated, they'll pick one and haggle. You could have 200 emails about opinions and yet no valid feedback," says he, undaunted by what can be a thankless job at times. Earlier, this project was founded by the millionaire-founded Shuttleworth Foundation. Now too, it gets some funds from there. Says Dwayne: "When we started we made lots of mistakes. Nobody else who interacts with us makes the same mistakes. Since we are dealing with 11 languages, the situation in India (with its multiplicity of languages) is the closest thing to the work we have to do." But one shortcoming he sees with his own project is getting out the results adequately to potential users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://goabooks.swiki.net * Reviews of books on Goa... and more |
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From: Krishnamurthy N. <kn...@ya...> - 2005-01-27 06:54:11
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Hi folks, It's happening at Visthar, which is near Doddagubbi (Hennur road). ------------ For a sector that talks of alternatives, the non-governmental organisations (NGOs) or voluntary sector stays surprisingly aloof from one significant alternative that has really worked - free software. But there are stirrings to bridge this huge chasm. In end-January, India's technology mecca Bangalore is to be the venue for an international 'camp' meant to promote FLOSS among the NGO sector. .... Asia Source, as the 'tech camp' is called, will be held from January 28 to February 4, 2005 and "hopes to bring together over a hundred people from 20 countries to increase the use and awareness of FLOSS amongst the non-profit sector in South and South East Asia." ------------ http://www.tacticaltech.org/node/186 FLOSS: Free/Libre and Open Source Software __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com |
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From: Sunil A. <su...@ma...> - 2005-01-19 09:44:00
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Dear Colleagues, The near final version of the IOSN-CDAC L10N How-To and Toolkit is now available for a final round of comments and feedback. The main page contents listing of the CD is available at http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/CD. It has links to the guide, as well as the list of tools we will include in the CD. The guide is almost done. You can see the current version at: http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated in the HTML format. The final bit of edits are in progress on the last 2-3 chapters. We would be very grateful if you could send you feedback in the next 10 days. Thanks, Sunil -- Sunil Abraham, su...@ma... http://www.mahiti.org 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 51150580. Mob: (60) 1-2205-3895 Currently on sabbatical with APDIP/UNDP Manager - International Open Source Network Wisma UN, Block C Komplex Pejabat Damansara. Jalan Dungun, Damansara Heights. 50490 Kuala Lumpur. Tel: (60) 3-2091-5167, Fax: (60) 3-2095-2087 su...@ap... http://www.iosn.net http://www.apdip.net "A world opened up by communications cannot remain closed up in a feudal vision of property" - Gilberto Gil, Minister of Culture, Brazil |
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From: Sunil A. <su...@ap...> - 2005-01-19 09:40:42
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Dear Colleagues, The near final version of the IOSN-CDAC L10N How-To and Toolkit is now available for a final round of comments and feedback. The main page contents listing of the CD is available at http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/CD. It has links to the guide, as well as the list of tools we will include in the CD. The guide is almost done. You can see the current version at: http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated in the HTML format. The final bit of edits are in progress on the last 2-3 chapters. We would be very grateful if you could send you feedback in the next 10 days. Thanks, Sunil -- Sunil Abraham Manager su...@ap... http://www.iosn.net International Open Source Network - Software Freedom for All UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme Wisma UN, Block C Kompleks Pejabat Damansara. Jalan Dungun, Damansara Heights. 50490 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia T: (60) 3-2091-5167, F: (60) 3-2095-2087 M: (60) 1-2205-3895 "A world opened up by communications cannot remain closed up in a feudal vision of property" - Gilberto Gil, Minister of Culture, Brazil |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2005-01-15 21:08:25
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Ola, here's some news from Latin America... Julio Cesar Gonzalez of LUGUSAC <jul...@fi...> writes in to say that they have got "organized as a Linux Users Group, currently pursuing to be a Technological Foundation. The mail list is open and can be reached at: http://espanol.groups.yahoo.com/group/lugusac and our site is at http://www.lug-usac.org Says Julio: "We are the forge of several projects, maybe the most interesting 'Proyecto Luciernaga', on translating FLOSS into mayan languages, (see it at http://luciernaga.berlios.de ) and "Proyecto Mayix", the very first Central American distribution based on Gentoo -- http://www.mayix.net " In the first half of 2005, this team expects to partner the creation of a GNU/Linux Users Group in the west highlands (Quetzaltenango, native name Xelaju), their site will be at http://xelalug.linuxserver.at/ Says Julio, whose based in Gautemala: "In Central America the major interest on FLOSS is here in my country (Guatemala) and in El Salvador. Some LUGs in Belize and Honduras." He, together with several friends, formed a GNU/LUG at their university three years ago. Their Mayan language project incidentally is an inter-institutional project, also involving groups such as the "Fundacion Rigoberta Menchu Tum" (Nobel Peace Price, 1992) and "Academia de Lenguas Mayas de Guatemala" (national autority for mayan languages)." According to Julio, they're currently working on the translation of OpenOffice.org Writer 1.1 into the Mayan language k'iche'. He adds optimistically: "After that, we'll produce the OpenOffice.org suite in all the major Mayan languages, a web browser and, eventually, a Live-CD with a Mayan-languages GNU/Linux distribution." We wish these big and ambitious plans all the very best. If you could support in any way, get in touch with Julio Cesar Gonzalez Cordon <jul...@fi...> who says: "It's exciting to share, to learn, and to build another world with you!". FN Related URL: Fisired (http://fisica.usac.edu.gt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://goabooks.swiki.net * Reviews of books on Goa... and more |
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From: <su...@mx...> - 2005-01-07 04:05:45
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I am helping in an opensource Computer Assisted Translation tool and we'd like to have various Indian language users try it to see what are the problems involved (if there are any). We already have fixed a few things (segment matching engine among others) to have it work with CJK languages (tests were made for Japanese). Also, if possible we'd like to have localizations in Indian languages. The project is OmegaT: http://www.omegat.org Thank you for your interest. Jean-Christophe Helary |
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From: Abhijit D. <dab...@in...> - 2005-01-06 09:33:32
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From: Abhijit D. <kut...@ya...> - 2005-01-03 12:02:53
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--- Henrik Lynggaard <he...@ly...> wrote: > Just for fun let us translate "merry christmas and Happy New year", > and > lets see how many different versions we get. > > Here is the first: > > Glædelig jul og godt nytår (Danish) In Hindi, I guess it would be: बड़े दिन की शुभकामनाएं और नया साल मुबारक। (Best wishes for the "Big Day", i.e. Christmas, and Congratulations for the New Year.) This is a mixture of Hindi and Urdu really - the kind of Hindi spoken in Delhi. It's off the cuff, so may be off a little bit. Pure Hindi or Urdu would be a tad better. Best wishes to everyone ! Regards, Abhijit ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony |
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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2004-12-25 14:16:04
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Hi all, We will have an online meet on IRC , #indlinux, irc.freenode.net , on coming monday 27th December, 2004. Time range 3pm-9pm. Agenda would be evolving a Indic FOSS L10n roadmap for next year (post Sept Indic Meet & MAIT event in delhi). Regards, Karunakar -- ************************************* * Work: http://www.indlinux.org * * Blog: http://cartoonsoft.com/blog * ************************************* |
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From: Frederick Noronha(FN) <fre...@vs...> - 2004-12-24 18:02:03
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Just introducing IndicComputing to an effort from Cambodia, in case you=20 haven't met already. FN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndi= a Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Difficulties to send email across? Write to fredericknoronha at vsnl.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachmen= ts See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.ht= ml On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Javier SOLA wrote: > Hi everybody, > > My name is Javier Sol=C3=A1. I am an Spaniard living in Cambodia, and the= =20 > coordinator of the KhmerOS project. Our goal is to make Cambodia=20 > OpenSource-Country by means of localization. > > I am an enthusiast of FOSS localization. I believe that it is the key=20 > to adoption of FOSS by users. In countries that do not have Microsoft=20 > in local language, it is an infinite advantage that will make it easy=20 > for new users to try... and in countries that already have Microsoft=20 > programs in local language.. it is a must for people to consider you as= =20 > an option, otherwise you cannot compete with MS in local language. > > I am also working on a "toolkit" on how to do FOSS localization. > > Localization and making migration easy are the two keys to FLOSS=20 > adoption... but you cannot go to both tracks in AsiaSource... it must=20 > be really difficult to choose between them :-) > > I wish I had double personality and was able to attend both... but=20 > -again- I am not sure they would invite me twice for the same=20 > AsiaSource event in the same year... :-) > > Javier > > _______________________________________________ > Asiasource-l mailing list > Asi...@li... > http://lists.tacticaltech.org/mailman/listinfo/asiasource-l > |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2004-12-23 06:40:26
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Friends at Indic Computing: Am taking the liberty of sending across this note from Nepal, which came in via the Asia Source mailing list, a network that is having a conference in Bangalore shortly. Sanat, are you in touch with Indic Computing? Please look out for this team at Sourceforge.net FN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear All, Its nice to join the list a little late, I could browse through the postings and get a good glimpse of what my quality of experience at Asia Source might be. Now I have a firm belief that this event is going to be a wonderful experience for me. (Also because this will give me a good escape from the chilly cold weather of Kathmandu ;). I am Sanat Kumar Bista, curretnly employed as an Assitant Professor in the Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering at Kathmandu University, Nepal. For some time now we have been working with Amar and his team at Madan Puraskar Putskalaya in Nepali language Computing Project. Further, I lead a research unit at the University called, Langauge Processing Research Unit (LPRU). In addition to the Nepali Language Computing Project, we are attempting to design and develop a machine translation system for English-Nepali translation. This project is to kick off from January 2005. Hope to see you all in January at Bangalore and looking forward to share ideas, With Best Regards, Sanat Kumar Bista, Assistant Professor, Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering Project Leader, Language Processing Research Unit Kathmandu University Dhulikhel, Kavre, Nepal _______________________________________________ Asiasource-l mailing list Asi...@li... http://lists.tacticaltech.org/mailman/listinfo/asiasource-l |
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From: <su...@se...> - 2004-12-14 12:08:01
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Hi all, Indic IME extension for Firefox is ready and has been uploaded at=20 "http://mail=2Esarai=2Enet:8080/indic/servlet/WMSearch?di_p=3D725&urlid=3D= indic&keyw ordid=3DGENIN9953&viewall=3Dviewall"=2E The extension has been tested on Firefox 1=2E0 on both Windows 98 and Redh= at Linux=2E We (Raghavan and myself) also have requested for a project page on "http://www=2Emozdev=2Eorg/" and will soon upload the extensions on this s= ite=2E Looking forward to your feedback=2E Thanks, Surekha=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E |
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From: <su...@se...> - 2004-12-09 10:39:20
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>Any way in which this can be implemented as a firefox extension ?? We are working on that and will let you know soon=2E Surekha=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E |
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From: Sayamindu D. <say...@cl...> - 2004-12-09 05:36:55
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On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 00:06 -0500, su...@se... wrote: > Hi all, > > Raghavan & myself have come up with a Indic IME toolbar which can be added > to Mozilla or Netscape browsers. > > Using this Indic IME toolbar, one can > > * type in Indian Languages in web pages > > * send emails in Indian Languages > > * edit documents in composer's HTML source mode, > save to file system and/or take a hard copy of the same. Any way in which this can be implemented as a firefox extension ?? -sdg- |
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From: <su...@se...> - 2004-12-09 05:07:11
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Using this Indic IME toolbar, one can=20
* type in Indian Languages in web pages
* send emails in Indian Languages
* edit documents in composer's HTML source mode,
save to file system and/or take a hard copy of the same=2E
The IME functionality is implemented using Javascript
event handling=2E This toolbar can be directly installed from
"http://mail=2Esarai=2Enet:8080/indic/servlet/ViewPosting?di_p=3D723&urlid=
=3Dindic"
( or Visit Indicart, this Indic work reposiotry at=20
http://mail=2Esarai=2Enet:8080/indic and search for toolbar )
Though there are localized linux operating systems available with IME=20
support at the OS level, this toolbar will be helpful for those who do=20=
not want (or wait for the) the entire application/os in local languages=20=
but just want the facility to type in Indian Languages in web pages=2E=20=
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Please send your comments/suggestions/feedback to =20
Surekha [ surekha AT servelots DOT com ] and/or=20
Srinivasa Raghavan Kandala [ raghavan AT servelots DOT com ]
Surekha=2E=20
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mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E
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From: Jaldhar H. V. <ja...@de...> - 2004-12-08 12:07:55
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On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > I have noticed that Ubuntu already has a couple of deb files in their > distribution `warty' which includes fonts, and keybaords. Karunakar, > please update them with our latest releases to the packager who is > doing he deb for them so that our latest releases get there. They are the same packages I and others maintain for Debian. What needs to be changed? -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <ja...@de...> La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/ |
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