indic-computing-users — Discussing the usage of indian language capable tools

[Indic-computing-users] Model to build up on...

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

What is the kind of organisation we have in mind while building up
IndicComputing? Any names that could help us build a mental picture of
what we would like to be like?

Could the Free Software Foundation or the Open Source Initiative be a
suitable model? 

The thing with Indic Computing is that it perhaps needs to be loose
enough, so that anyone doing promising work in the field could be made to
feel part of the network (that is the only way it could grow and remain
relevant). 

It perhaps needs to be decentralised, to work effectively, and to avoid
giving the impression that this is *yet another* factional group, trying
to work out its own solutions, out-of-sync from what everyone else is
doing.

On the other hand, it should very clearly be a consortium. Some of the
consortia that run particular aspects of the Internet seem to be an
interesting model. 

If one understood right, the main problem is that nobody will support
(financially) an entity that doesn't have any legal standing, or is not
incorporated/acccuntable at least in some way. Does anyone have ideas of
how this need can be taken care of, without breaking the commonness of
purpose that comes from being open-minded and all-inclusive? FN

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Why Unicode Won't Work on the Internet - Part 2

[Keyur S. <key...@ya...>]

--- "ma...@ch..." <ma...@ch...> wrote:

> 
> Analysis
> The problems perceived with the Tamil Unicode segment are as follows.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Character Sequence
> The primary problem is that the sequence of characters does not match the
> traditional Tamil ordering method. This is the reason many Tamil scholars
> have requested a reorganization of the Tamil segment. However since some
> softwares including the popular Windows 2000 have already implemented
> Unicode in its current form, it will not be possible now to change the
> Tamil segment entirely.

This is one of the common misunderstanding about Unicode. In fact, the
Unicode standard DO NOT (and CAN NOT) provide default sort order because
sort order is specific to a language and not to any script. For example,
sort order for characters in Marathi and Hindi differ even though both the
languages fall under the same script 'Devanagari'. One must understand the
difference between collation order and encoding order.

It is not possible to change the order of characters in Unicode character
chart. Also, it is not desirable. Standards are not meant to change very
often. Unicode standard has changed character orders only once during its
life - when it was decided to go together with ISO 10646 standard. But, at
that time the Unicode was in nascent stage. Changing the order of any
characters now will create problems for so many applications, not only MS
platform.

For detailed explanation, you are requested to read the following paper:
  http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/msdn/Indic_collation-DC.pdf

> 
> The actual ordering of characters in unicode based databases happen by
> specifying a collation sequence. Unicode has detailed documents on
> writing
> these collation sequences. A document needs to be prepared in accordance
> with Unicode standards for the correct Tamil ordering sequence (tamiz
> neTunkaNakku).

If it is not ready then Tamil community should come forward and help other
people to define correct sorting order for characters.

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Missing Characters
> Some characters in Tamil script are missing in Unicode. These are not
> native to Tamil language, but are often used in Tamil documents.
> Significant among them are, SRI, KSHA and Tamil numeral ZERO. 

If these characters are really needed in the Tamil script, then they can be
added. Inclusion of any character in Unicode chart must go through standard
procedure. It includes proposal, justification, evidence, and support from
linguists and/or state government. But, if the character is not prime
representative of the script and if the characters with the similar
semantic has already been defined elsewhere in the Unicode, then it is
recommeded to reuse the character instead of duplicating. However, there
are some exceptions. Popularity of a particular encoding is also considered
sometimes. Unicode could have been designed in a better way with some
unified approach for encoding but in order to maintain compatibility with
all popular encodings and other existing standards, it was decided to reuse
those standards in Unicode.

> 
> While zero is not used in the original Tamil number system, it is often
> used in present day documents while writing numbers in Tamil numerals
> using
> international number system. It is noted [1] that Mauritius currency uses
> Tamil numberals with zero in their currencies. This character should be
> added at U+0BE6.
> 
> KSHA and SRI are grantha characters not native to Tamil language. However
> they are being used in Tamil script for over six centuries [2].
> Devanagari
> and many other indian languages consider these characters as ligatures
> (combination of several characters). These are considered separate
> characters in Tamil, not ligatures. Thus including these characters in
> Tamil Unicode range makes good sense and will eliminate complex ligature
> handling for Tamil. (Possible locations: KSHA = U+0BBA; SRI = U+0BF3).

With experience we have learnt that complexity of ligatures can be handled
easily in either application or font. To give unique codepoint to all
ligatures is not considered a good idea when there are alternatives
available. If you encode each ligature separately then in fact you are at
lost of beautiful canonical structures which is unique property of Indic
scripts.

> 
> Another character often requested in Tamil Unicode range is OM.
> Devanagari
> and Gujarati ranges in Unicode have a separate character for OM at U+0950
> and U+0ADO. If there is a consensus on adding this character, it can be
> added at U+0BD0.
> 
> There have been some suggestions for including Rupee sign, and Tamil
> fraction symbols in Unicode. These characters are not in popular use.
> These may need to be considered only when they come into use.

If there is consensus for inclusion of these characters in Tamil script,
then proposal can be submitted to Unicode. 

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Incorrect Characters
> Tamil Unicode range has a character for TAMIL SIGN ANUSVARA at U+0B82.
> This
> character does not exist in native Tamil script. Its existence in grantha
> script needs to be examined. This character is sometimes mistaken for
> Tamil
> oRRu which is at location U+0BCD (TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA). It would be better
> if this character is deprecated from Unicode standard.

Since characters in Unicode standard can not be removed once they are
defined, their use can be deprecated. 

> 
> The character TAMIL SIGN VISARGA (Aytam) at U+0B83 is incorrectly
> classified as a modifier in Unicode while it is considered as a character
> in Tamil script. This error needs to be corrected. The glyph that
> represents this character should be changed to remove the character place
> holder (dotted circle).

AFAIK this change has been made in Unicode version 3.1.


- Keyur


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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Unicode

[Sayamindu D. <unm...@So...>]

On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 17:23, Keyur Shroff wrote:
>  
> I am keen to know what are the issues that Unicode can not handle and how
> it is not suitable for a number of problems. Earlier (couple of weeks ago)
> I visited RKK's site and realized that they have some misunderstanding
> about Unicode standard. Can we start some debate/discussion on any of
> indic-computing lists? I know Unicode list is the best place to discuss
> issues about Unicode, but still we can discuss issues relating Indic
> scripts in Unicode on this list. Let me make it clear that I am in favour
> of Unicode/ISCII :-)
> 

Here is a nice resource - primarily related to Bangla though.
http://www.exnet.btinternet.co.uk/

-sdg-

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Incorporating Indic Computing

[Keyur S. <key...@ya...>]

Tapan, I agree with your idea of society. Turning it into a company will
create problems for many individuals as they may be bound by their current
employer. Also, running a non-profit company is not an easy job even though
there are volunteers. Once majority on indic-computing lists agree to the
idea then first task should be to define clear-cut goal.

- Keyur

--- "Tapan S. Parikh" <ta...@ya...> wrote:
> 
> Oops, maybe jumped the gun a little on the questions below.
> 
> I think the first discussion should be whether or not we formally
> organise in the first place.  I think we should, and my reason is
> simple.  There are people who want to support the kind of work we do,
> and they should have an outlet for that.  I think if we put proper
> operational and management processes in place, we would be good
> candidates to put those resources to the best possible use of the
> indic-developer community.  I really think we would do a good job with
> that if we put our mind to it.  That is why I think a formal
> organisation would be helpful to our stated goals.
> 
> Just what I think...  Anyone have any counter-points, or support?
> 
> -- Tapan
> 
> 
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:16:43 -0800
> "Tapan S. Parikh" <ta...@ya...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I have been following the discussion about "incorporating"
> > Indic-Computing.  I put it in quotes because first of all that is the
> > wrong word in my mind.  What we want to do is organise and
> > institutionalise the kinds of work we want to do through Indic. 
> > Incorporate has certain self-serving connotations which I dont think
> > are right.  But maybe that is only a semantic distinction.  
> > 
> > The main point I want to make is this: I feel this organisation is
> > required.  Formal / informal, Corporation / Society - that is a
> > seconday point.  But as Mr Jitendra said - we need somewhere we can
> > all congregate and work together and document as one all the different
> > kinds of work we are doing.  And people like Venky are right -
> > sometimes that will require money.  If people are willing to
> > contribute to help us, they should have somewhere to do so and know
> > that it will best used for the furtherance of the goal, and not for
> > vested interest.
> > 
> > But looking for fund first and then trying to figure out what you are
> > going to do with it is the completely wrong approach.  Venky (and I)
> > should have plenty of experience with that approach.  So first let us
> > get our own ship in order - let us all, on the list, discuss seriously
> > how, when and if we want to formally organise Indic-Computing as a
> > formal body.
> > 
> > Here are some questions that need to be answered.  I am just putting
> > my answers.  If anyone disagrees (or agrees) with me, please post that
> > to the list also
> > 
> > - Company, Non-Profit Company or Society - I vote for Society
> > - How will it initially be managed and operated - I vote for an
> > elected body of 5 directors.  We would assign voting rights by some
> > criterion - maybe those who have posted >5 times to any Indic list.
> > - What is our charter? - Vijay and Venky had a good start to this. 
> > Basically, cutting to the chase - our basic goal is to provide an
> > objective, unbiased central forum and information source for the
> > Indic-Developer and User Community.  To support projects and
> > initiatives that we feel are for the common good of good Indic
> > Language Software. Maybe Venky or Vijay would care to re-post the full
> > charter they had drawn up
> > - What kinds of projects will we take up?  First and foremost -
> > projects to support the development and maintenance of Indic Website
> > and documentation efforts.  Those are our most important efforts thus
> > far. Also workshops for the general good fo the community.  Maybe then
> > later we can think of expanding into actually developing resources and
> > tools, if they REALLy, REALLY couldnt and wont be done by someone
> > else.- How will we raise money just to incorporate ourselves - Good
> > question... ;)
> > 
> > Let me make one thing that is clear in my mind.  Indic's role is NOT
> > to generate money, or resources, or anything like that.  It is a civil
> > organisation who's main and primary goal is to work for the Indic
> > Developer Community.  That should never be forgotten.
> > 
> > So I hope we can take this discussion forward in a rational, forward,
> > goal-oriented way.  Who else can contribute?
> > 
> > -- Tapan
> > 


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[Indic-computing-users] Linux Vs Microsoft : New York Times article

[jitendra <jit...@vs...>]

Dear Shabnam,
Can this informative article from NYT 20/21 jan be published in TOI?
Jitendra

[Indic-computing-users] Re: Unicode on Prof. RKK's web site

[Karthik V. <kar...@vs...>]

>Earlier (couple of weeks ago) I visited RKK's site and
realized that they have some misunderstanding about Unicode
standard.

Keyur, not at all.

In fact, Prof. Krishnan is writing a monograph to document
the problems of Unicode vis a vis Indian languages. His
focus will be on the limitations of Microsoft's
Unicode-based approach to Indic language issues. If anyone
on this list has specific ideas about what else he should
tackle in this monograph, please write to him at
rk...@ac...

From my own association with him for the last several
months, I know that he certainly does not reject Unicode
wholesale. However, he is keen that the Indic developer
community become aware of, and address the problem areas. I
am sure his monograph will throw more light on the subject.

Regards,
R. Karthik Venkatesh


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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Unicode

[<a_j...@ya...>]

Dear Keyur,

> I visited RKK's site and realized that they have
> some misunderstanding
> about Unicode standard. Can we start some
> debate/discussion on any of
> indic-computing lists?

I think thats an excellent idea.  This would be a
good fit on <indic-computing-standards>.



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[Indic-computing-users] Debate over Bangla site...

[FREDERICK N. <fr...@by...>]

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      1. [OT] Digital Bangla Project
           From: Sharif Islam <mi...@st...>
      2. Re: [OT] Digital Bangla Project
           From: Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat <mo...@ag...>
      3. Re: [OT] Digital Bangla Project
           From: Sharif Islam <mi...@st...>


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Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:24:49 -0600 (CST)
   From: Sharif Islam <mi...@st...>
Subject: [OT] Digital Bangla Project


I just ran into this :
 http://digitalbangla.ektaonline.org/bn_main.html (btw, I viewed it
 from mozilla in a sun workstation -- worked fine)

I was really impressed with the site design and the documentation
regarding the project. I am curious to know the opinion of the
 group.

Thanks

-Sharif





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Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:49:25 +0600
   From: Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat <mo...@ag...>
Subject: Re: [OT] Digital Bangla Project

On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 01:24:49PM -0600, Sharif Islam wrote:
> I just ran into this :
> http://digitalbangla.ektaonline.org/bn_main.html (btw, I viewed it
> from mozilla in a sun workstation -- worked fine)

I was initially impressed to see the site appear flawlessly on my
Galeon.  But got disappointed quickly to see all the Bangla as GIF
images.

And what kind of a twisted Bangla is on that site?  "Bina mulle
 labbha kore din".  Certainly it's not Bangladeshi Bangla.


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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:05:45 -0600 (CST)
   From: Sharif Islam <mi...@st...>
Subject: Re: [OT] Digital Bangla Project

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat wrote:
> I was initially impressed to see the site appear flawlessly on my
> Galeon.  But got disappointed quickly to see all the Bangla as GIF
> images.

Ya, I noticed that later.

What you thought of the concept? The pay now get free stuff later
deal? I am not sure what to think of it.

-Sharif

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Incorporating Indic Computing

[Tapan S. P. <ta...@ya...>]

Oops, maybe jumped the gun a little on the questions below.

I think the first discussion should be whether or not we formally
organise in the first place.  I think we should, and my reason is
simple.  There are people who want to support the kind of work we do,
and they should have an outlet for that.  I think if we put proper
operational and management processes in place, we would be good
candidates to put those resources to the best possible use of the
indic-developer community.  I really think we would do a good job with
that if we put our mind to it.  That is why I think a formal
organisation would be helpful to our stated goals.

Just what I think...  Anyone have any counter-points, or support?

-- Tapan


On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:16:43 -0800
"Tapan S. Parikh" <ta...@ya...> wrote:

> 
> 
> I have been following the discussion about "incorporating"
> Indic-Computing.  I put it in quotes because first of all that is the
> wrong word in my mind.  What we want to do is organise and
> institutionalise the kinds of work we want to do through Indic. 
> Incorporate has certain self-serving connotations which I dont think
> are right.  But maybe that is only a semantic distinction.  
> 
> The main point I want to make is this: I feel this organisation is
> required.  Formal / informal, Corporation / Society - that is a
> seconday point.  But as Mr Jitendra said - we need somewhere we can
> all congregate and work together and document as one all the different
> kinds of work we are doing.  And people like Venky are right -
> sometimes that will require money.  If people are willing to
> contribute to help us, they should have somewhere to do so and know
> that it will best used for the furtherance of the goal, and not for
> vested interest.
> 
> But looking for fund first and then trying to figure out what you are
> going to do with it is the completely wrong approach.  Venky (and I)
> should have plenty of experience with that approach.  So first let us
> get our own ship in order - let us all, on the list, discuss seriously
> how, when and if we want to formally organise Indic-Computing as a
> formal body.
> 
> Here are some questions that need to be answered.  I am just putting
> my answers.  If anyone disagrees (or agrees) with me, please post that
> to the list also
> 
> - Company, Non-Profit Company or Society - I vote for Society
> - How will it initially be managed and operated - I vote for an
> elected body of 5 directors.  We would assign voting rights by some
> criterion - maybe those who have posted >5 times to any Indic list.
> - What is our charter? - Vijay and Venky had a good start to this. 
> Basically, cutting to the chase - our basic goal is to provide an
> objective, unbiased central forum and information source for the
> Indic-Developer and User Community.  To support projects and
> initiatives that we feel are for the common good of good Indic
> Language Software. Maybe Venky or Vijay would care to re-post the full
> charter they had drawn up
> - What kinds of projects will we take up?  First and foremost -
> projects to support the development and maintenance of Indic Website
> and documentation efforts.  Those are our most important efforts thus
> far. Also workshops for the general good fo the community.  Maybe then
> later we can think of expanding into actually developing resources and
> tools, if they REALLy, REALLY couldnt and wont be done by someone
> else.- How will we raise money just to incorporate ourselves - Good
> question... ;)
> 
> Let me make one thing that is clear in my mind.  Indic's role is NOT
> to generate money, or resources, or anything like that.  It is a civil
> organisation who's main and primary goal is to work for the Indic
> Developer Community.  That should never be forgotten.
> 
> So I hope we can take this discussion forward in a rational, forward,
> goal-oriented way.  Who else can contribute?
> 
> -- Tapan
> 

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Incorporating Indic Computing

[Tapan S. P. <ta...@ya...>]

I have been following the discussion about "incorporating"
Indic-Computing.  I put it in quotes because first of all that is the
wrong word in my mind.  What we want to do is organise and
institutionalise the kinds of work we want to do through Indic. 
Incorporate has certain self-serving connotations which I dont think are
right.  But maybe that is only a semantic distinction.  

The main point I want to make is this: I feel this organisation is
required.  Formal / informal, Corporation / Society - that is a seconday
point.  But as Mr Jitendra said - we need somewhere we can all
congregate and work together and document as one all the different kinds
of work we are doing.  And people like Venky are right - sometimes that
will require money.  If people are willing to contribute to help us,
they should have somewhere to do so and know that it will best used for
the furtherance of the goal, and not for vested interest.

But looking for fund first and then trying to figure out what you are
going to do with it is the completely wrong approach.  Venky (and I)
should have plenty of experience with that approach.  So first let us
get our own ship in order - let us all, on the list, discuss seriously
how, when and if we want to formally organise Indic-Computing as a
formal body.

Here are some questions that need to be answered.  I am just putting my
answers.  If anyone disagrees (or agrees) with me, please post that to
the list also

- Company, Non-Profit Company or Society - I vote for Society
- How will it initially be managed and operated - I vote for an elected
body of 5 directors.  We would assign voting rights by some criterion -
maybe those who have posted >5 times to any Indic list.
- What is our charter? - Vijay and Venky had a good start to this. 
Basically, cutting to the chase - our basic goal is to provide an
objective, unbiased central forum and information source for the
Indic-Developer and User Community.  To support projects and initiatives
that we feel are for the common good of good Indic Language Software. 
Maybe Venky or Vijay would care to re-post the full charter they had
drawn up
- What kinds of projects will we take up?  First and foremost - projects
to support the development and maintenance of Indic Website and
documentation efforts.  Those are our most important efforts thus far. 
Also workshops for the general good fo the community.  Maybe then later
we can think of expanding into actually developing resources and tools,
if they REALLy, REALLY couldnt and wont be done by someone else.
- How will we raise money just to incorporate ourselves - Good
question... ;)

Let me make one thing that is clear in my mind.  Indic's role is NOT to
generate money, or resources, or anything like that.  It is a civil
organisation who's main and primary goal is to work for the Indic
Developer Community.  That should never be forgotten.

So I hope we can take this discussion forward in a rational, forward,
goal-oriented way.  Who else can contribute?

-- Tapan

[Indic-computing-users] Why Unicode Won't Work on the Internet - Part 2

[<ma...@ch...>]

> http://www=2Ehastingsresearch=2Ecom/net/04-unicode-limitations=2Eshtml
I've seen this site before - they basically have a very detailed
explanation of
the missing characters from Chinese, Japanese and Korean scripts in
unicode=2E=20
Excellent research=2E
Now, is that *relevant* to the Indian scripts?

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D


Analysis
The problems perceived with the Tamil Unicode segment are as follows=2E
--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
----

Character Sequence
The primary problem is that the sequence of characters does not match the
traditional Tamil ordering method=2E This is the reason many Tamil scholar=
s
have requested a reorganization of the Tamil segment=2E However since some=

softwares including the popular Windows 2000 have already implemented
Unicode in its current form, it will not be possible now to change the
Tamil segment entirely=2E

The actual ordering of characters in unicode based databases happen by
specifying a collation sequence=2E Unicode has detailed documents on writi=
ng
these collation sequences=2E A document needs to be prepared in accordance=

with Unicode standards for the correct Tamil ordering sequence (tamiz
neTunkaNakku)=2E


--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
----

Missing Characters
Some characters in Tamil script are missing in Unicode=2E These are not
native to Tamil language, but are often used in Tamil documents=2E
Significant among them are, SRI, KSHA and Tamil numeral ZERO=2E=20

While zero is not used in the original Tamil number system, it is often
used in present day documents while writing numbers in Tamil numerals usin=
g
international number system=2E It is noted [1] that Mauritius currency use=
s
Tamil numberals with zero in their currencies=2E This character should be
added at U+0BE6=2E

KSHA and SRI are grantha characters not native to Tamil language=2E Howeve=
r
they are being used in Tamil script for over six centuries [2]=2E Devanaga=
ri
and many other indian languages consider these characters as ligatures
(combination of several characters)=2E These are considered separate
characters in Tamil, not ligatures=2E Thus including these characters in
Tamil Unicode range makes good sense and will eliminate complex ligature
handling for Tamil=2E (Possible locations: KSHA =3D U+0BBA; SRI =3D U+0BF3=
)=2E

Another character often requested in Tamil Unicode range is OM=2E Devanaga=
ri
and Gujarati ranges in Unicode have a separate character for OM at U+0950
and U+0ADO=2E If there is a consensus on adding this character, it can be
added at U+0BD0=2E

There have been some suggestions for including Rupee sign, and Tamil
fraction symbols in Unicode=2E These characters are not in popular use=2E =
These
may need to be considered only when they come into use=2E


--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
----

Incorrect Characters
Tamil Unicode range has a character for TAMIL SIGN ANUSVARA at U+0B82=2E T=
his
character does not exist in native Tamil script=2E Its existence in granth=
a
script needs to be examined=2E This character is sometimes mistaken for Ta=
mil
oRRu which is at location U+0BCD (TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA)=2E It would be better=
 if
this character is deprecated from Unicode standard=2E

The character TAMIL SIGN VISARGA (Aytam) at U+0B83 is incorrectly
classified as a modifier in Unicode while it is considered as a character
in Tamil script=2E This error needs to be corrected=2E The glyph that
represents this character should be changed to remove the character place
holder (dotted circle)=2E


(http://www=2Etamil=2Enet/people/sivaraj/tamil_unicode=2Ehtml)

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Wanted: Indic support for the Open CD

[Tapan S. P. <ta...@ya...>]

Henrik,

Please contact Prabhat Hegde <sam...@ya...>.  He has been working
on Mozilla and OpenOffice Localisation AFAIK.  Also Karunakar should be
able to help <kar...@ne...>.

-- Tapan

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 02:23:40 +0530 (IST)
Frederick Noronha <fr...@by...> wrote:

> Please write to Henrik directly if you can help. FN
> 
> From the FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION-INDIA mailing list. FN
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 04:40:52 -0500
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> To: fsf...@mm...
> Subject: [Fsf-friends] TheOpenCD Translations
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I see that some of you have started using and disributing TheOpenCD in
> India, which is great!  For our next version, due out this spring we
> will focus on internationalisation by adding multiple language
> versions of major programs and other CD content.  The new
> mozilla-based CD browser now has multi-language capabilities.  
> 
> I see by the OpenOffice pages:
> http://l10n.openoffice.org/localization_responsibilities.html
> That there are some Indian language versions in the works; any further
> news on the progress?  It would be great if we could get some help
> translating our web pages and CD-browser content!
> 
> Thanks,
>        Henrik
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] unified approach (was:Incorporating Indic Computing)

[Tapan S. P. <ta...@ya...>]

Alok,

Great mail, and I agree with you 100%.  

This is about working together, not apart, towards a goal, not in
circles around it.  

As Koshy says, the Signal-to-Bandwidth ratio should be maintained... ;)

-- Tapan

On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:17:02 +0000 (GMT)
à¤_लà¥_à¤_ Alok <al...@ya...> wrote:

> Hi list,
> > > we have one person (Karunakar) working full-time on localization.
> > 
> > Just a correction to this (this list is not exhaustive) 
> I think the op was not referring to the indic computing project when
> he said that there was just one person working on localization - but
> the project to which he was associated.
> And this highlights the very important aspect of any kind of volunteer
> work on indic computing - they are all one man shows. More than a few
> people have observed that Indians are not good at team work but are
> good performers as individiuals. I really don't think it would be any
> different for indic computing - all we can do this is hope that the
> individual efforts pay off.
> 
> That said, it is indeed improper to put organisations and people
> before the technological issues. We ought to be dissecting the
> technical aspects of any solution and mention their pros and cons
> regardless of which organisation or which person did it. 
> 
> At the same time we should 
> 1. be appreciative of other peoples' efforts - they are spending their
> free time on doing something they think is useful to others, otherwise
> they wouldn't have been doing it in the first place.
> 2. always be polite and courteous in communicating with each other
> 3. appreciate the good work somebody has done before we start off to
> criticise, and if we criticise, stick to technological aspects.
> 
> > In my opinion, there is a general DISMISSAL of all this work
> > by the Indic Community - primarily because they are not unicode
> > compliant (RKK's work) or are too general (TeNeT) in that they
> 
> Who is the indic community? I think it is everybody who is on this
> list. If a section of the list feels alienated, it's a shame; and it's
> because of one of the three reasons mentioned above. At the same time
> rather than feeling alienated, it would be a good thing to actually
> publicise your work and tell everybody how it would be useful. Again,
> when somebody posts a message on what they have done, responses like
> "$ORGANISATION/ $PERSON always goes for the$APPROACH which is anyway
> going to lead to $PROBLEM" actually result in this feeling of
> alienation. 
> 
> > I for one am not too excited about Unicode - primarily because
> > the population that we are targetting (the rural users) donot
> > really care about the support for ALL languages of the world.
> 
> As an example, this statement - is akin to taking tech issues
> personally(Hema, please forgive me, this was a readymade example -
> nothing personal against your approach). The population "being
> targeted" may be not be rural users to someone who's "excited about
> unicode". And it is best to discuss this on the standards list, and
> also to add the pros and cons in the handbook. As I understand it,
> anybody can contribute to the handbook. Correct me if I am wrong,
> koshy.
> 
> > a) B(h)amini is a Tamil font with a typewriter
> > like layout used in our kiosks at Madurai for inputting
> > data in Tamil.  Although we have provided a proper typewriter
> > layout with much better fonts, our operators are not willing to
> > shift - alternatively, we just changed the input layout to suit
> > their requirements.
> > 
> > b) Somebodyelse in Delhi uses Baraha font and refuses to shift
> > to somethingelse.
> > 
> 
> These are very good examples of user behavior, and they should be
> discussed on the standards list. Again, the technological issues, not
> political ones.
> 
> > d) The Indic Computing group should get itself into a position
> > where it advises the Govt./National Funding agencies about 
> > Open Source and its advantages for Indic Computing.  This requires
> > that we establish credibility - I feel we should host a 
> > COMMON website, where all the software available from the
> > community are categorised and posted.
> 
> I couldn't agree with you more. This coupled with a roadmap for new
> volunteers will be very useful.
> 
> In brief: If we fight amongst ourselves, it's only going to confuse,
> discourage and demotivate newcomers who are excited about this
> emerging field and have not yet decided to really take the plunge. And
> we do need more volunteers - without the volunteers there's no project
> here.
> 
> Let's stick to technology, and to solving people's problems by
> analysing user needs and behavior, and to keeping it interesting for
> developers. Regards
> alok
> 
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Why Unicode Won't Work on the Internet - Part 1

[<al...@ya...>]

> http://www.hastingsresearch.com/net/04-unicode-limitations.shtml
I've seen this site before - they basically have a very detailed explanation of
the missing characters from Chinese, Japanese and Korean scripts in unicode. 
Excellent research.
Now, is that *relevant* to the Indian scripts?

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[Indic-computing-users] Why Unicode Won't Work on the Internet - Part 1

[<ma...@ch...>]

FYI


http://www=2Ehastingsresearch=2Ecom/net/04-unicode-limitations=2Eshtml

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[Indic-computing-users] Unicode

[Keyur S. <key...@ya...>]

--- Joseph Koshy <a_j...@ya...> wrote:

> I also don't think that Unicode is the solution
> to all our problems :) so I would like to see RKK's 
> C^*V representation scheme documented in the Handbook.

I am keen to know what are the issues that Unicode can not handle and how
it is not suitable for a number of problems. Earlier (couple of weeks ago)
I visited RKK's site and realized that they have some misunderstanding
about Unicode standard. Can we start some debate/discussion on any of
indic-computing lists? I know Unicode list is the best place to discuss
issues about Unicode, but still we can discuss issues relating Indic
scripts in Unicode on this list. Let me make it clear that I am in favour
of Unicode/ISCII :-)

- Keyur


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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Incorporating Indic Computing

[<a_j...@ya...>]

Dear Hema,

I would agree with you that the situation is not
as dismal as Venky painted it.  Apart from the list
that you posted, a number of people have achieved very

decent results, even in the open-source field.  For 
example, I've seen screen shots of the TSCII based 
Tamil-capable free OS distributions.  These are quite 
impressive and they have been around for a while too.

I also don't think that Unicode is the solution
to all our problems :) so I would like to see RKK's 
C^*V representation scheme documented in the Handbook.

Once this is done, you can then contend with informed
resistance as opposed to the current ignorant 
resistance :).  How can you help?


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[Indic-computing-users] Wanted: Indic support for the Open CD

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

Please write to Henrik directly if you can help. FN

From the FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION-INDIA mailing list. FN
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 04:40:52 -0500
From: he...@th...
To: fsf...@mm...
Subject: [Fsf-friends] TheOpenCD Translations

Hello,

I see that some of you have started using and disributing TheOpenCD in India,
which is great!  For our next version, due out this spring we will focus on
internationalisation by adding multiple language versions of major programs and
other CD content.  The new mozilla-based CD browser now has multi-language
capabilities.  

I see by the OpenOffice pages:
http://l10n.openoffice.org/localization_responsibilities.html
That there are some Indian language versions in the works; any further news on
the progress?  It would be great if we could get some help translating our web
pages and CD-browser content!

Thanks,
       Henrik
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] unified approach (was:Incorporating Indic Computing)

[<a_j...@ya...>]

alkuma> As I understand it, anybody can contribute to
alkuma> the handbook. Correct me if I am wrong, koshy.

Yes, anyone can contribute to the Handbook.

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] unified approach (was:Incorporating Indic Computing)

[Tapan P. <ta...@ya...>]

Dont start sending paragaraphs now.  Im working on Web
Entry format which can hopefully be done with Rajkumar
et al's sourceforge clone as the backend.  Expect some
DB Designs and loose specs on the -devel list in a day
or two.

-- Tapan


--- Venky Hariharan <ve...@vs...> wrote:
> Dear Alok,
> 
> I agree that we as a community do not publicise our
> work. For some, it is
> the technical issues that are the movtivation for
> joining a list like this
> and few techies are good at communicating their
> ideas to the larger world. I
> think the list that Hema put out is a useful start
> to the Technology Map
> that Tapan is working on. For a start, why don't all
> those who are working
> on localization put a brief description of their
> work. Tapan (and I
> volunteer to help here) can edit it so that we can
> start by mapping who is
> doing what in the Indic Computing area. Fred may
> have done something on
> similar lines, in which case this would be a useful
> update.
> 
> Finally, it would be great if we can actively
> provide inputs to the Govt on
> policy and standards. However, we need more
> discussion, debate and consensus
> before this happens.
> 
> Venky
> 
> 
> 
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[Indic-computing-users] Incorporating Indian Linux

[jitendra <jit...@vs...>]

The trigger by Venky is very timely.The posting by Hema is really
importanat.
I do humbly feel that in the near term, unicode will be the determining
standard. However for the rest I agree with a lot of what she says.
Our project to make free software available in indian languages with the
same facilty as in English cannot be emphasised more.
Motivations for this have several components , each being present in all
activists , some with more some with less intensity. These are techie
ego , altruism, pragmatism, self-interest,professional commitment etc.
While individuals in research or commercial setups are driven by
different major drives, all of us have a greater common good in mind.
The need is to coalesce all these strands, spread thin in the absence of
coordinating body.
The very fact that there is no single web-site that showcases all that
is happening and act as a  repository on this front and that can act as
a clearing house for ideas and resources is an indicator that there is a
need for a pooling of resources.
 What is needed is a comprehensive view of things. Natinoal economic
priorities, commercial viability of business ventures, ethical
imperatives, technical advances and limitations, appropriateness to our
audience to day( as also  future compatibilty ), circulation of reserach
results from many centres and very nimportantly an ARMY (with a gentle
hierarchy of  foot-soldiers,majors and generals ) to support the free
software movement etc. What is further needed is wrapping up all the
work into products that can be ready to use. These products have to
fulfill the felt needs. What are the needs. Someone has to do a proper
survey.

There are some efforts that cannot be omitted from our view ( in
addition to the ones listed by Hema)
IIT Madras: The acharya site with deep insight and broad vision with
recent gtk based editor of Dr RK Kalyankrishnan, IndLinux and
multyglyph, Dr Yagnanarayana in the area of speech technology etc
projects are efforts of mammoth proportions.
TDIL: I would like to assert that TDIL of Ministry of IT, New Delhi has
been persuing support for the Indian language work for a long time  and
a lot of the same applies to Linux. I can say very strongly that support
for free software is very sympathetic and strong. Vishwabharat, with all
its limitations is a great platform that needs to be used
LTRC ,IIIT Hyderabad  with Vineet Chaitanya and Mrs Amba Kulkarni ,
under the leadership of Rajeev Sangal have done tremendous work on
dictioneries, intermediate stages of Machine translations and even fonts
all exclusively in free software domain.
IISC Banglore: Brahmi and other projects at Lang Tech Research
MGandhi Vishwavidyalay at Wardha : It has a similar objective of pooling
resources.
ISI Calcutta : Pioneers in indian language technology
HBCSE, TIFR, Mumbai: free software and indian language support, active
linux group
IIT Kanpur and IIT Mumbai : TDIL supported language technology centres
The latter particularly in UNL
Banasthali Vidyalay, Rajasthan: TDIL supported localisation initiative
NIC : The major institution of the govt has created a lot of
applications
Western Railway: Rajbhasha.com and Dr R. k. Gupta have done a major
implementation for public use.
Bangla fonts:

Private vendors: Akruti, ShreeLipi, Miyhi, APS etc. have been working
towards development of Indian language writing methods and other
resources.

International:Some of the international worl like Owen Taylor on pango
and Dave Love/Kawabata on Enmacs, Gasper Sinai on Yudit and some people
in Abiword


CDAC , NCST and ER&DCI need not be mentioned for being well known govt
arms of Software Technology .


( a personal note: In fact I had circulated a draft  note on
standardisation to many on this list which was prompted by TDIL . I had
wanted people to help in drawing up a roadmap in collaboration with
software vendors  who have been working on local languages on M$Windows
platform. Dr R. K. Kalyankrishnan of IITM was the only one who was good
enough to give a detailed response. .)

A platform that  can attract all  interested  is needed. An arm to
implement and support the products is needed. How can all this happen .
Venky's trigger on indic computing  may result in a solid  positive
move.The idea of incorporation of a (non-profit) setup may prove
successful if it creates the necessary organisational backbone and
financial muscle  for supporting  a coalescence of several strands. Are
revenue model , training setup, human resource development, organisation
and project management the main weaknesses. If so, may be his proposed
corpration may come up with a ( revenue and revenue sharing along with
ethical  value sharing) model that fits the bill.

I for one believe in blossoming of hundred flowers. So non-incorporated
non-commercial, private or govt ,  efforts may also do many useful
purposes or may even prove better.

Jitendra

Re: [Indic-computing-users] unified approach (was:Incorporating Indic Computing)

[Venky H. <ve...@vs...>]

Dear Alok,

I agree that we as a community do not publicise our work. For some, it is
the technical issues that are the movtivation for joining a list like this
and few techies are good at communicating their ideas to the larger world. I
think the list that Hema put out is a useful start to the Technology Map
that Tapan is working on. For a start, why don't all those who are working
on localization put a brief description of their work. Tapan (and I
volunteer to help here) can edit it so that we can start by mapping who is
doing what in the Indic Computing area. Fred may have done something on
similar lines, in which case this would be a useful update.

Finally, it would be great if we can actively provide inputs to the Govt on
policy and standards. However, we need more discussion, debate and consensus
before this happens.

Venky

Re: [Indic-computing-users] unified approach (was:Incorporating Indic Computing)

[<al...@ya...>]

Hi list,
> > we have one person (Karunakar) working full-time on localization.
> 
> Just a correction to this (this list is not exhaustive) 
I think the op was not referring to the indic computing project when he said
that there was just one person working on localization - but the project to
which he was associated.
And this highlights the very important aspect of any kind of volunteer work on
indic computing - they are all one man shows. More than a few people have 
observed that Indians are not good at team work but are good performers as
individiuals. I really don't think it would be any different for indic
computing - all we can do this is hope that the individual efforts pay off.

That said, it is indeed improper to put organisations and people before the
technological issues. We ought to be dissecting the technical aspects of any
solution and mention their pros and cons regardless of which organisation or
which person did it. 

At the same time we should 
1. be appreciative of other peoples' efforts - they are spending their free
time on doing something they think is useful to others, otherwise they wouldn't
have been doing it in the first place.
2. always be polite and courteous in communicating with each other
3. appreciate the good work somebody has done before we start off to criticise,
and if we criticise, stick to technological aspects.

> In my opinion, there is a general DISMISSAL of all this work
> by the Indic Community - primarily because they are not unicode
> compliant (RKK's work) or are too general (TeNeT) in that they

Who is the indic community? I think it is everybody who is on this list. If a
section of the list feels alienated, it's a shame; and it's because of one of
the three reasons mentioned above. At the same time rather than feeling
alienated, it would be a good thing to actually publicise your work and tell
everybody how it would be useful. Again, when somebody posts a message on what
they have done, responses like "$ORGANISATION/ $PERSON always goes for the
$APPROACH which is anyway going to lead to $PROBLEM" actually result in this
feeling of alienation. 

> I for one am not too excited about Unicode - primarily because
> the population that we are targetting (the rural users) donot
> really care about the support for ALL languages of the world.

As an example, this statement - is akin to taking tech issues personally(Hema,
please forgive me, this was a readymade example - nothing personal against your
approach). The population "being targeted" may be not be rural users to someone
who's "excited about unicode". And it is best to discuss this on the standards
list, and also to add the pros and cons in the handbook. As I understand it,
anybody can contribute to the handbook. Correct me if I am wrong, koshy.

> a) B(h)amini is a Tamil font with a typewriter
> like layout used in our kiosks at Madurai for inputting
> data in Tamil.  Although we have provided a proper typewriter
> layout with much better fonts, our operators are not willing to
> shift - alternatively, we just changed the input layout to suit
> their requirements.
> 
> b) Somebodyelse in Delhi uses Baraha font and refuses to shift
> to somethingelse.
> 

These are very good examples of user behavior, and they should be discussed on
the standards list. Again, the technological issues, not political ones.

> d) The Indic Computing group should get itself into a position
> where it advises the Govt./National Funding agencies about 
> Open Source and its advantages for Indic Computing.  This requires
> that we establish credibility - I feel we should host a 
> COMMON website, where all the software available from the
> community are categorised and posted.

I couldn't agree with you more. This coupled with a roadmap for new volunteers
will be very useful.

In brief: If we fight amongst ourselves, it's only going to confuse, discourage
and demotivate newcomers who are excited about this emerging field and have not
yet decided to really take the plunge. And we do need more volunteers - without
the volunteers there's no project here.

Let's stick to technology, and to solving people's problems by analysing user
needs and behavior, and to keeping it interesting for developers.
Regards
alok

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[Indic-computing-users] [Fwd: [sd-webworks] Netscape share less than 4% worldwide, reports WebSiteStory/]

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...>]

  I thought of sharing this mail with the group, particularly those who 
are working on browser localization, I do not know at this point what 
should we infer from this stats....except that it does gives an alarm

vijay

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To: "Sustainable Development Webworks" 

Subject: [sd-webworks] Netscape share less than 4% worldwide, 
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Subject:
[sd-webworks] Netscape share less than 4% worldwide, reports 
WebSiteStory/StatMarket
From:
"Gary Pupurs" <gp...@is...>

To:
"Sustainable Development Webworks" <sd-...@li...>


Good news is that the need for designing work-arounds to appease old
Netscape browsers is becoming increasingly irrelevant, even within an
international context.

The disappointing thing about this, IMHO, is that Opera hasn't taken over
some of the space vacated by Netscape's decline.  Just as bad, the numerous
false starts with Mozilla have caused a technically good browser which could
have gained traction against IE to be relegated to the playground of
techies.

Fortunately, IE has gotten at least a little better at accurately
interpreting standards-based HTML/CSS code since version 3 and 4.  And, of
course, it does make our work a bit easier.

Anyone know of an internet research firm like Nielsen
(www.nielsen-netratings.com) which reports on, say, the page views of the
top 25 .org websites?  There's lots of information available for the big
commercial players, but I honestly have no idea what's a good goal to set
for our type of sites.  For instance, is anyone getting 1M page views a
month--is that a reasonable or ridiculous long term goal?

-g

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about a StatMarket subscription, visit www.statmarket.com or call
858.546.0040 x231.

Global Browser Usage Share as of 8/26/02:

Microsoft    95.97%
Netscape 3.39%
Other .64%


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global Internet user trend data from visitors in 245 countries to sites in
120 industry categories. For more information, call 858.546.0040 x 231.

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outsourced Web analytics. The company's services help businesses profit from
their online presence by providing detailed, real-time information about
online visitor and customer behavior. Each month, the company analyzes more
than 30 billion page views for its clients. Select WebSideStory customers
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Enterprise Rent-A-Car, Epson America, LexisNexis, Northwest Airlines,
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recognized WebSideStory as the market-leader for outsourced Web analytics,
most recently by the Aberdeen Group in its June 2002 industry report. Recent
accolades include PC Magazine's Editors' Choice Award for best Web visitor
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Incorporating Indic Computing

[Tapan S. P. <ta...@ya...>]

Hi Hema,

Thanks for your points, they are well-stated.  Although I may disagree
with you a little on the Standards and Compliance issues your point that
we should look at all peoples work and come up with synergistic
solutions is definitely right on the mark.

>  This requires
> that we establish credibility - I feel we should host a 
> COMMON website, where all the software available from the
> community are categorised and posted.
> 

In fact, that is one project we would like to work on, and I am the one
trying to do this for the Indic site.  We are calling this project the
Technology Map, which would include info about all relevant software and
projects, as well as user reviews and evaluation.  It will include a
simple form for submitting new projects, making modifications, posting
reviews, etc.  

Im to designing and implementing the DB for this this weekend and
starting to lay out the basic forms and page map.  Any chance anyone
from your group would want to be involved in this project, in design,
coding, etc.?

-- Tapan