indic-computing-users — Discussing the usage of indian language capable tools

[Indic-computing-users] IndLinux v 0.37 is available

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:58:34 -0800 (PST)
   From: Sagar Behere <sag...@ya...>
Subject: IndLinux v 0.37 is available.

Hi guys,

All those who wanted to test out IndLinux can now
rejoice. I have with me, v 0.37 of Indlinux, codenamed
"Milan".

A bit a this and that...

Indlinux (http://www.indlinux.org) is an ongoing
effort to indianise the GNU/linux operating system.
The aim is to take GNU/Linux to the common man, who
does not necessarily know English. People should be
able to use computers through their own native
language, and so the IndLinux project aims at
providing support for all the 18 official indian
languages.

I've picked up the above mentioned CD from Pune, and
it  patches against the stock Red HAt 8.0 version. If
you have Red Hat 8.0, you can use Milan to get a feel
of what the entire thiing is. As of now, the
translation effort is 37% complete and so ther version
is 0.37.

Among other things, you can see most of the system
menus and stuff in HIndi, many apps are also having
hindi support and you can even send mail, and chat in
hindi.

Indlinux currently uses GNOME 2, and works out of the
box on Red Hat 8.0. I've heard someone say that it
works with Mandrake 9.0 too, but I am not sure...

In the meantime, I am facing some problems with makinf
RH 8.0 workiong on my computer, so in my spare time, I
am trying to ge IndLinux to work with my Debian 3.0
system.

Those who want the IndLinux CD, can take it from me
for Rs.15

After taking a look at v 0.37, I am eagerly awaiting
the day when v 1.0 will be out. I'm sure you'll feel
teh same way. All in all, this is a _fantastic_
project and I invite all of you to take a look.

Cheers to the IndLinux team,
Sagar
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Its about walking on the path, not just knowing it...
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[Indic-computing-users] Final call for First National Indic-Font workshop

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...>]

Hi All,

This is the final day (20th march 2003) for registration to the "The=20
First National Indic-Font workshop" to be held from 28th to 30th March=20
2003, at PESIT Bangalore, India. We request all members who wish to=20
participate to send in there applications by today. Although we have=20
been having very large no. of applications we are looking forward to=20
participation of all language groups which as of now are un represented.

Please find under the latest workshop updates and logistics information=20
for participants.

best

vijay

--=20

Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya
ekgaon technologies
email: vi...@ek...
website: http://www.ekgaon.com


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Indic-Computing Consortium
Forging community partnerships to enable Indian language computing

The Indic-Computing Consortium is an initiative of software developers, b=
usinesses and academic institutions to help evolve appropriate standards,=
 resources and technologies for the Indic-Computing community.=20

The Indic-Computing Consortium is designed as a national-level participat=
ory organisation that serves as a common forum for discussion, informatio=
n exchange and advocacy on behalf of all parties interested in the develo=
pment of Indian Language Computing. The consortium aims to make true acce=
ss of computing possible for Indian people by enabling support in local l=
anguage.=20

A framework is being built for creation of a hierarchy of participatory c=
onsortia, which would facilitate broad regional and local participation i=
n the standardization and development process from a variety of stakehold=
ers with differing areas of expertise and specialization. It is aimed tha=
t these consortia be participatory and inclusive to properly represent th=
e viewpoint of local developers, users and other stakeholders. In step tw=
o, Indic-Computing Consortium would encourage & support formation of stat=
e-level consortia for each regional language, which could include partici=
pants from the following key member groups:

Developers: Software developers and managers developing local-language to=
ols

Technologists: Academics and other experts in encoding and representation=
 issues

Users / Practioners: Government agencies, publishers, NGOs and other majo=
r users of local-language software

Linguistic Groups: Academics and other experts of the linguistic features=
 of a language and it's script
 =20
Working closely with the State Government, this state-level consortium wo=
uld serve as the representative body for deciding standards and other tec=
hnical decisions for computing in a given regional language. The major ro=
les to be carried out by the state-level consortium would be as follows:

Discuss various technical, linguistic and practical issues related to com=
puting in the regional language

Serve as a capacity-building and educational resource for small regional =
software developers and users

Publish documents, tools & other materials helpful for local-language com=
puting and development

Represent the regional language at National consortium meetings

Represent the regional language at International Standardization consorti=
ums and proceedings such as Unicode and ISO

In September 2002 Indic-Computing organised its first National workshop, =
which aimed at finding the various problems faced by the developer commun=
ities and issues related to standardization, technical support, policy an=
d tools. To know more about the consortium, workshops and other initiativ=
es, visit us at  http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net

=20

Indic-Computing Consortium

 announces=20

 First National Indic-Font Workshop

 Date: 28th to 30th March 2003

Venue: PESIT, Bangalore

 Sponsors:
PESIT, Bangalore
Vishwa Kannada, Bangalore
DeepRoot Linux, Bangalore
CHiPS, Chattisgarh Infotech Promotion Society, Raipur=20
Sarai, New Delhi
Indlinux.org, Mumbai =20
ekgaon technologies, Madurai
=20

The workshop:=20

One of the working groups formed at the first Indic-Computing workshop wa=
s for development of OTF & issues related to language standardization and=
 representation in international consortium. One of the action point and =
agenda for the group was to =1CHold OTF training workshop for developing =
major Indian language OTF fonts=1D. Dr. U B Pavanaja took upon to hold an=
d coordinate this workshop and Mr. Abhas Abhinav proposed to coordinate f=
or logistics & sponsorship, Mr. G. Nagarjuna proposed to help coordinate =
with Akruti for making available fonts to be used for develop OTF. This g=
roup succeeded in its tasks making this workshop possible, Akruti release=
d some free fonts to be used for conversion to OTF, which were taken up b=
y some of the language groups (for more details on the language groups an=
d the major issues being dealt by it please go through the proceedings of=
 first workshop at our website)

 Some of the major concerns raised by the language community were:

 i.     Developing good look fonts
ii.     Development of open source tools for rendering and hinting of OTF=
 fonts (currently OTF development uses proprietary =20
        tools)

iii.    Finding font developers for all Indian languages and coordinating=
 the group

iv.    Making available fonts to be converted to OTF=20

This workshop seeks to address some of these issues and others enclosed i=
n the workshop program as under. This is the first national workshop on t=
he subject, while it shall focus on OTF, but it shall equally share conce=
rns of open standards community and would have talks, demos and training =
sessions of open source tools, as well as various alternative technologie=
s for Indian fonts. We propose to take up more regional language font wor=
kshops in future to give focused attention to each language, these worksh=
ops would be held all across India in different parts and would hold trai=
ning programs and technology demonstration. We invite volunteers who woul=
d take upon to hold these workshops and provide coordination & logistics =
support. The Indic-Computing Consortium would provide necessary technical=
 support and capacity building to these regional groups.

Why OpenType?

OpenType is an extension to TrueType, and uses Unicode as standard for ch=
aracter encoding. It also provides additional tables for defining rich se=
t of mappings between characters and glyphs. It also provides for a havin=
g a large glyph set and even glyph variants. All the features provided by=
 OpenType format can be made use by having a application independent, pre=
ferable system level library with a api interface usable by applications.=


For Indic script processing OpenType tables like GSUB (glyph substitution=
) and GPOS (glyph positioning) gives font designer to define his rules on=
 what conjuncts or combinations could be made available. Application prog=
rammer is relieved of the burden of knowing all the linguistic part. Also=
 OpenType sort of makes the concept of glyph standard or font encoding st=
andard redundant, again giving font vendors freedom to follow their own g=
lyph sets and not really affecting the application. To summarize OpenType=
 provides lot of benefits to Indic computing and also renders redundant s=
ome issues faced in Indic computing.

There has been an ongoing debate on whether OTF is right for Indian Langu=
ages. The debate is relevant and contextual also. One of the perspectives=
 penned by G Karunakar in support of OpenType is here for participants to=
 explore. However the debate goes on and we invite all to participate in =
it on the Indic-computing mailing list. For more click on why OTF?=20

Who can participate & pre-requisites:

Any developer/company/organization having interest in language technology=
 and interested to learn development of OTF,understanding of Unicode, var=
ious technologies for Indian languages and related issues.

Pre-requites

*=09

Understand how to make a font

*=09

Knowledge of Unicode

*=09

Have a font that it/he/she can use for lab time

*=09

A willingness to keep trying until it/he/she understands

*=09

To get comprehensive information on pre-requisites mentioned above please=
 go through the following links=20

*=09

Creating and supporting OpenType fonts for Indic scripts http://www.micro=
soft.com/typography/otfntdev/indicot/default.htm

*=09

Building OTF http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otfntdev/intro.htm

*=09

Details about VOLT http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/volt/de=
fault.htm

*=09

Unicode FAQ about Indic http://www.unicode.org/faq/indic.html

*=09

Unicode code charts http://www.unicode.org/charts/
=20



How to participate:=20

i.        The workshop is by registration only, last date of registration=
 in 20th March 2003

ii.       Participants interested to participate in the workshop should s=
end there applications to Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya <vi...@ek...>

iii.     Application format
*	Name
*	Organisation
*	Communication Address
*	Whether participating in individual capacity or representing your organ=
ization
*	In either case please write in 200 words your interests and what do you=
 expect from the workshop
*	If there are more then one participant from your organization/group ple=
ase provide the numbers and communication address only.


iv.   Fill online application at http://www.realityinfo.com/indic/indic-c=
omp.pdf=20

v.   The registration fee of Rs. 200.00 is to be paid in cash by the part=
icipants on the first day.=20

vi.    Participants please note that all registered members would get, li=
terature, CD with important font development softwares,  lodging and boar=
ding for three days (also dinner for the night before the workshop starts=
).

vii.   The workshop announcement and programme schedule in pdf could be d=
ownloaded from http://www.ekgaon.com/~vijay/indic-font-ws.pdf=20

 Contacts:=20
Participants are advised to contact the following for there queries:=20
Dr. U B Pavanaja: <pav...@vi...>  Technical clarification, =
sessions of the workshops, required preparation, fonts etc
Mr. Abhas Abhinav: <ab...@de...>
 Logistics, Lodging & Boarding, Venue etc
Mr. Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya: <vi...@ek...>
 Workshop registration application, coordination, any other issue not cov=
ered above

Instructions for Participants:

1)   The participants are advised to go through the pre-requisites and eq=
uip themselves with necessary knowledge on font & Unicode standard.

2)   The staying arrangements are from the evening before the day of star=
t of the workshop. Dinner would be provided for the night also, for all p=
articipants reaching before 9.00 PM only.

3)   The lodging & boarding provided by PESIT is in hostels & mess, and i=
s modest by all means. Participants who wish to opt out of this arrangeme=
nt can make there own staying arrangements. Please notify the same to us,=
 also it is expected that the lunch would be taken by all the participant=
s irrespective of there place of stay at mess only as there is not much t=
ime available in between the session.

4)   The staying arrangement in the hostel is till 3rd day evening, it is=
 expected that the participants would vacate the rooms by evening.

5)   PESIT is at outskirts of Bangalore, participants are expected to mak=
e there own arrangements for local travel, as nothing could be provided b=
y the organizers.=20

Venue & how to reach:
PESIT (PES Institute of Technology)
100 Feet Ring Road,=20
Banashankri =13 IIIrd Stage, (Off. Mysore Road),
Bangalore.
Phone: (080) 672 0007.

For participants arriving at Airport, take a prepaid taxi to the above ad=
dress, the place is known to the prepaid stand.

Directions from Airport:

Airport Road--->Domlur signal--->Inner ring road--->Koramangala--->BTM La=
yout--->Banneraghatta Road--->100 Feet (outer) ring road--->PESIT on 100 =
Feet (outer) Ring Road

For participants arriving at Railway station & Bus station, best is to ta=
ke a prepaid taxi to the above address, the place is known to the prepaid=
 stand. A Bus is also available=20

Directions from Railway Station:

Station--->Chamrajpate--->Ashram--->Hanumant Nagar--->Hosakerehalli--->PE=
SIT 100 Feet Ring Road

 Workshop program:

Day-1:=20

 09:00 - 09:45          Registration

09:45 - 10:15          Welcome & Inauguration =13 G Karunakar / Director =
PESIT

10:15 - 10:45          Overview - Pavanaja

10:45 - 11:00          Tea break

11:00 - 11:30          Planning glyph repertoire - Pavanaja

11:30 - 13:00          Introduction to Indian scripts, Character set, too=
ls & Glyph Design & current trends in fonts- Ravi Pande

13:00 - 14:00          Lunch break

14:00 - 15:00          Testing glyphs, Generating Fonts, Font format - Ra=
vi Pande

15:00 - 15:15          Tea break

15:15 - 17.15          Lab: Define glyphs and fill out repertoire

17.15 -                   Tea & informal interaction

Day-2: =20

09:30 - 10:15          Encoding - G Karunakar

10:15 - 10:45          Introduction to OTF - Pavanaja

10:45 - 11:00          Tea break

11:00 - 11:30          Open Type Tables - Pavanaja

11:30 - 13:00          Introduction to VOLT - Pavanaja

13:00 - 14:00          Lunch break

14:00 =13                  Lab: Open type tables

Day-3:=20

09:30 - 10:15          Testing - Pavanaja

10:15 - 10:45          CDAC (to be confirmed)=20

10:45 - 11:00          Tea break

11:00 - 11:30          Digitally signing the font - Pavanaja

11:30 - 13:00          Fonts on Linux - Karunakar

13:00 - 14:00          Lunch break

14:00 =13                  Lab: Open type tables                  =20

Special presentations proposed:=20

a.   Sunil Abraham, Mahiti, Bangalore, would arrange for an IPR (cyber la=
ws) lawyer Lawrence Liang, who would discuss the issue of OTF openness af=
ter understanding the Adobe & Microsoft agreement on release of the fonts=
=2E

b.   Development of Otf from Ttf (Akruti) experiences: Nagarjuna

c.   Open/free software tools for Otf development: M Arun=20

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Information for participants:
=20
All the participants who have registered to the Indic-Computing's "The Fi=
rst National Indic-Font workshop" to be held from 28th to 30th March 2003=
, at PESIT Bangalore, India is 20th march 2003. Here is some logistics re=
lated information, we require your cooperation to facilitate your stay in=
 Bangalore during the workshop.
=20
Accommodation:

 1) We would only provide modest hostel accommodation at the PESIT, which=
 would be free
2) Those who would like to make there own arrangement are encouraged
3) If you require our assistance in booking hotel for you, here are some =
rates detail, those who wish that we book for them, please notify us by 1=
5th March 2003, please send your travel plan, we shall book for you, need=
less to say that cost would be borne by you. We cannot take responsibilit=
y of non availability of rooms for applicants after 15th March 2002. Thes=
e hotels are near the Venue: (please write to <vi...@de...>)
=20
Jayanagar Guest House:

Non A/C with TV -> 385 Rs/day
Non A/C without TV -> 330 Rs/day
=20
PAI Vijay Hotel:

Double Delux Non A/c -> 600 Rs/day
Double Delux A/c -> 800 Rs/day

Transport:

For Taxi the best option will be City taxies , you have to make a call an=
d they will pick you from any place. The numbers for taxi are : 080-67800=
22/44/66.

Workshop:

a) 30 PCs with Win XP and RedHat (8.0) as dual boot pre installed are ava=
ilable for the workshop lab work. Some basic software yet needs to be ins=
talled for the workshop (ex. VOLT, VTT etc.), would be done in time. If t=
here is any other requirement of participants/speakers please let us know=
 in advance. (please write to <vi...@de...>)
b) LCD Projector for presentation with audio system is available
c) Over Head Projector could also be made available, speakers who wish to=
 use one, please let us know in advance.
d) As per our instructions earlier the participants should bring the foll=
owing things with them for the seminar
       1) Their own TTF font to be used for converting into OTF
       2) Their own Floppy properly tested (to copy their work from the w=
orkshop)
=20

Re: [Indic-computing-users] trouble while installing openType font in linux

[<al...@ya...>]

> is no problem with the font. Something to do with your settings.
I know that the problem is with my settings, but I don't know what the problem
is; wanted someone on the list to point it out if they have also faced it some
time.
I get the same error when I try to xset fp rehash for susha.ttf, so it's not a
font specific problem.

> > I'm trying to install the shideva font which is available in
> > http://home.t-online.de/home/E.Tremel/Hindi/ .
> > Here's my current setup:
> > Redhat 7.1 with indix.
> > To install indix, I followed the instructions in
> > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Indic-Fonts-HOWTO/ , it's been working fine,
> > except that I had to add the line export
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib in my .bash_profile so that
> > libIndic.so.1 is picked up when I startx. Raghu font is installed
> > properly.
> > 
> > What I'm trying to do now:
> > Install shideva font as an alternative to raghu.
> > Now I downloaded the ttf file, called LruLruushiDeva.ttf and moved it
> > to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType. The size is almost
> > double(285584) of raghu(133708).
> > 
> > Now I cd to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType
> > and run 
> > mkfontdir
> > which is successful.
> > Then I run 
> > xset fp rehash
> > This is the error:
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
> > xset:  unable to open display ":0.0"
> > 
> > This happens when I'm trying to xset withing gnome using a terminal
> > session. If I'm outside gnome, on the command prompt, xset fp rehash
> > gives the error xset:  unable to open display ""
> > 
> > Googling for this error gave me an indication that it was because Load
> > "freetype" statement should be present in the XF86Config-4 file, under
> > the modules section, which is already there(Remember I have already
> > installed raghu successfully).
> > 
> > Since I didn't touch any of the config files since then, I suspect
> > that there is some env variable missing or some changes are needed in
> > the path.
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > It will be a big relief.
> > Regards
> > Alok
> > 
> > =====
> > Alok Kumar
> > F1, Wireless Monitoring Station Compound,
> > 9th Main, 47th Cross, Jayanagar V Block
> > Bangalore 560076 India
> > +91-80-653-8200
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-hindi/
> > Can't see Hindi? http://geocities.com/alkuma/seehindi.html
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
> Editor, Vishva Kannada
> World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
> http://www.vishvakannada.com/
> 
> Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes
> 
> 
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=====
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F1, Wireless Monitoring Station Compound,
9th Main, 47th Cross, Jayanagar V Block
Bangalore 560076 India
+91-80-653-8200
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-hindi/
Can't see Hindi? http://geocities.com/alkuma/seehindi.html

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] trouble while installing openType font in linux

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

I tried it on Windows XP and it worked, which means that there 
is no problem with the font. Something to do with your settings.

-Pavanaja

> Hi list!
> Long time.
> I'm trying to install the shideva font which is available in
> http://home.t-online.de/home/E.Tremel/Hindi/ .
> Here's my current setup:
> Redhat 7.1 with indix.
> To install indix, I followed the instructions in
> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Indic-Fonts-HOWTO/ , it's been working fine,
> except that I had to add the line export
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib in my .bash_profile so that
> libIndic.so.1 is picked up when I startx. Raghu font is installed
> properly.
> 
> What I'm trying to do now:
> Install shideva font as an alternative to raghu.
> Now I downloaded the ttf file, called LruLruushiDeva.ttf and moved it
> to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType. The size is almost
> double(285584) of raghu(133708).
> 
> Now I cd to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType
> and run 
> mkfontdir
> which is successful.
> Then I run 
> xset fp rehash
> This is the error:
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
> xset:  unable to open display ":0.0"
> 
> This happens when I'm trying to xset withing gnome using a terminal
> session. If I'm outside gnome, on the command prompt, xset fp rehash
> gives the error xset:  unable to open display ""
> 
> Googling for this error gave me an indication that it was because Load
> "freetype" statement should be present in the XF86Config-4 file, under
> the modules section, which is already there(Remember I have already
> installed raghu successfully).
> 
> Since I didn't touch any of the config files since then, I suspect
> that there is some env variable missing or some changes are needed in
> the path.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> It will be a big relief.
> Regards
> Alok
> 
> =====
> Alok Kumar
> F1, Wireless Monitoring Station Compound,
> 9th Main, 47th Cross, Jayanagar V Block
> Bangalore 560076 India
> +91-80-653-8200
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-hindi/
> Can't see Hindi? http://geocities.com/alkuma/seehindi.html
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> __ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV.
>        visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Does your code think in ink? 
> You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing.
> What are you waiting for?
> http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en
> _______________________________________________ Indic-computing-users
> mailing list http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/
> Ind...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-users
> [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists: -devel, -standards, -announce]
> 
> 

-----------------------------------------------------
Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
Editor, Vishva Kannada
World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
http://www.vishvakannada.com/

Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes

Re: [Indic-computing-users] trouble while installing openType font in linux

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

I tried it on Windows XP. It is working fine.

-Pavanaja

> Hi list!
> Long time.
> I'm trying to install the shideva font which is available in
> http://home.t-online.de/home/E.Tremel/Hindi/ .
> Here's my current setup:
> Redhat 7.1 with indix.
> To install indix, I followed the instructions in
> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Indic-Fonts-HOWTO/ , it's been working fine,
> except that I had to add the line export
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib in my .bash_profile so that
> libIndic.so.1 is picked up when I startx. Raghu font is installed
> properly.
> 
> What I'm trying to do now:
> Install shideva font as an alternative to raghu.
> Now I downloaded the ttf file, called LruLruushiDeva.ttf and moved it
> to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType. The size is almost
> double(285584) of raghu(133708).
> 
> Now I cd to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType
> and run 
> mkfontdir
> which is successful.
> Then I run 
> xset fp rehash
> This is the error:
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
> xset:  unable to open display ":0.0"
> 
> This happens when I'm trying to xset withing gnome using a terminal
> session. If I'm outside gnome, on the command prompt, xset fp rehash
> gives the error xset:  unable to open display ""
> 
> Googling for this error gave me an indication that it was because Load
> "freetype" statement should be present in the XF86Config-4 file, under
> the modules section, which is already there(Remember I have already
> installed raghu successfully).
> 
> Since I didn't touch any of the config files since then, I suspect
> that there is some env variable missing or some changes are needed in
> the path.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> It will be a big relief.
> Regards
> Alok
> 
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[Indic-computing-users] trouble while installing openType font in linux

[<al...@ya...>]

Hi list!
Long time.
I'm trying to install the shideva font which is available in
http://home.t-online.de/home/E.Tremel/Hindi/ .
Here's my current setup:
Redhat 7.1 with indix.
To install indix, I followed the instructions in
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Indic-Fonts-HOWTO/ , it's been working fine, except
that I had to add the line
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib
in my .bash_profile so that libIndic.so.1 is picked up when I startx.
Raghu font is installed properly.

What I'm trying to do now:
Install shideva font as an alternative to raghu.
Now I downloaded the ttf file, called LruLruushiDeva.ttf and moved it to
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType.
The size is almost double(285584) of raghu(133708).

Now I cd to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType
and run 
mkfontdir
which is successful.
Then I run 
xset fp rehash
This is the error:
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
xset:  unable to open display ":0.0"

This happens when I'm trying to xset withing gnome using a terminal session.
If I'm outside gnome, on the command prompt,
xset fp rehash
gives the error
xset:  unable to open display ""

Googling for this error gave me an indication that it was because 
Load "freetype" 
statement should be present in the XF86Config-4 file,
under the modules section, which is already there(Remember I have already
installed raghu successfully).

Since I didn't touch any of the config files since then, I suspect that there
is some env variable missing or some changes are needed in the path.

Can anyone help?
It will be a big relief.
Regards
Alok

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F1, Wireless Monitoring Station Compound,
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Bangalore 560076 India
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[Indic-computing-users] Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [Indic-Computing] Indic Font Workshop

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...>]

K Nagarajan wrote:

>Well, discussions are onething and sustained development is another. As
>you know, I did develop a small generic transliteration framework and
>presented it briefly at the Sep 2002 Indic w/s. After that, I made it as a
>proper library and submitted it to sourceforge (I think all those on the
>devel list would have got a cvs log message on it). I am currently working
>on a generic rendering library on top of freetype-2 (with X as backend) to
>render the glyph sequence for a 'word' in any Indian script that the
>transliteration library will give as output. This may take some time
>(since I am not getting much free time). With this framework we do hope to
>have a generic input and rendering and editing framework on top of X,
>without any changes to X. Also, I am planning to enhance the translib to 
>take any input - UTF8, UCS-4 etc - instead of just Roman phonetic input.
>Well, this is just a small work from my side and only after this framework
>is completed I will have anything to show or discuss.
>
>I am a bit disappointed that there hasn't been any major debate on OTF on
>the indic list either based on issues raised by me/Koshy. If there had
>been some discussion, then it would be more fruitful to make a live
>discussion/debate on it in the w/s.
>
>I will get in touch with Karunakar. Thanks.
>
Nagarajan,

Though I agree with what you say and we had been discussing with Koshy 
on these issues for long. I but sincerely suggest that all of us should 
try to get some more interested/ dedicated guys in the loop and try to 
get more result on board. Just my thoughts, If you would be able to give 
sometime for the workshop and try to find interested participants may be 
you would be able to get some elusive feedback.

best wishes

vijay


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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Re: Malayalam

[Venky H. <ve...@vs...>]

Dear Arun,

I would be most interested in knowing the reactions to your demo,
particularly from first time users.

Regards,

Venky


----- Original Message -----
From: Frederick Noronha (FN) <fr...@by...>
To: Arun M <ar...@fr...>
Cc: <Ind...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [Indic-computing-users] Re: Malayalam


> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Arun M wrote:
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >    Today we did a pilot test of the Malayalam Gnome in a panchayath near
> > Trivandrum. We got very good response. The participants of the program
> > was mostly women(around 36 people from nearly 50 participants) from
> > panchatyath. More than 50 % of participents had some formal intriduction
> > to computers. And a few without any computer Knowledge. We have
> > collected the feed back on language uses and benfits of a malayalam
> > localised platform. Result is very much encouraging. The half day
> > session planned got extended to one complete day. Details i will send
> > soon.
> >
> > regards,
> > arun.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[Indic-computing-users] Re: NEWS: Indian language software for the blind

[R. K. V. <kar...@vs...>]

It is useful to remember that similar software has been available=
 for 
at least the last three years as a result of the IITM project in=
 
Chennai. Details are available on the acharya web site ( 
http://acharya.iitm.ac.in )

During this time, at least 300-400 visually handicapped persons=
 have 
been trained to use this software in different parts of India and=
 a 
few other South Asian countries. 

Among the many improvements that Prof. Krishnan has in mind, is 
replacing the slightly Westernized accents of the voice=
 synthesizer 
with native Indian language accents/voices. If there is anyone on=
 the 
list who can help with this, do contact him at=
 rk...@ac...

The software works in all the languages that the IITM project 
supports- about 10 or 11. These are fantastic achievements 
considering that the IITM labs have been running on a zero budget=
 
ever since inception. 

Karthik Venkatesh

>3. NEWS: Indian language software for the blind (Frederick=
 Noronha

>Kalam launches software for the blind
>
>By Mohammed Shafeeq, Indo-Asian News Service
>
>Hyderabad, Mar 15 (IANS) For the visually impaired, information=
 in
>Telugu and Hindi is just a click away.
>
>President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Saturday launched software for the
>visually handicapped that makes this possible.
>
>"Reading Aid for Blind", developed by the International=
 Institute
>for Information Technology (IIIT), enhances the reading=
 capability
>of the visually handicapped.
>
>With the help of this software, text on-screen can be=
 transformed to
>speech.
>The computer then reads this out to the user. Initially created=
 for
>English readers, the software has been adapted for Hindi and=
 Telugu.
>
>The project, funded by the Satyam Computers, has seen the
>establishment of a language technology centre at a cost of=
 Rs.10
>million at IIIT for the development of Indian languages.
>
>The President presented the software to Dinesh Kushal, a=
 visually
>impaired software developer of the Indian Association of Blind.
>
>An ecstatic, Kushal described the software as a boon.
>
>"The information from Indian languages will now be accessible.=
 It
>has opened new vistas for people like me," he said.
>
>Kalam lauded the efforts of the IIIT in applying Information
>Technology for the benefit of the visually impaired.
>
>"It is doing excellent work in research and development of=
 software
>technology for its societal, industrial, financial and=
 scientific
>applications," he said.
>
>Recalling his interaction with the physically and mentally
>challenged children on various occasions, the president said=
 these
>children also had the urge to pursue studies and work.
>
>"You have to provide solutions to their problems using IT to=
 develop
>audio books, talking websites, voice interface and other=
 devices",
>he said.
>
>The development of this aid cost Rs.1.5 million. It is likely to=
 be
>extended to the other Indian languages in two years.
>
>--Indo-Asian News Service

[Indic-computing-users] NEWS: Indian language software for the blind

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

Kalam launches software for the blind

By Mohammed Shafeeq, Indo-Asian News Service

Hyderabad, Mar 15 (IANS) For the visually impaired, information in Telugu
and Hindi is just a click away.

President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Saturday launched software for the visually
handicapped that makes this possible.

"Reading Aid for Blind", developed by the International Institute for
Information Technology (IIIT), enhances the reading capability of the
visually handicapped.

With the help of this software, text on-screen can be transformed to speech.
The computer then reads this out to the user. Initially created for English
readers, the software has been adapted for Hindi and Telugu.

The project, funded by the Satyam Computers, has seen the establishment of a
language technology centre at a cost of Rs.10 million at IIIT for the
development of Indian languages.

The President presented the software to Dinesh Kushal, a visually impaired
software developer of the Indian Association of Blind.

An ecstatic, Kushal described the software as a boon.

"The information from Indian languages will now be accessible. It has opened
new vistas for people like me," he said.

Kalam lauded the efforts of the IIIT in applying Information Technology for
the benefit of the visually impaired.

"It is doing excellent work in research and development of software
technology for its societal, industrial, financial and scientific
applications," he said.

Recalling his interaction with the physically and mentally challenged
children on various occasions, the president said these children also had
the urge to pursue studies and work.

"You have to provide solutions to their problems using IT to develop audio
books, talking websites, voice interface and other devices", he said.

The development of this aid cost Rs.1.5 million. It is likely to be extended
to the other Indian languages in two years.

--Indo-Asian News Service

[Indic-computing-users] Re: Malayalam

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Arun M wrote:


> Hi,
> 
> 
>    Today we did a pilot test of the Malayalam Gnome in a panchayath near
> Trivandrum. We got very good response. The participants of the program
> was mostly women(around 36 people from nearly 50 participants) from
> panchatyath. More than 50 % of participents had some formal intriduction
> to computers. And a few without any computer Knowledge. We have
> collected the feed back on language uses and benfits of a malayalam
> localised platform. Result is very much encouraging. The half day
> session planned got extended to one complete day. Details i will send
> soon.
> 
> regards,
> arun.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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[Indic-computing-users] Re: Malayalam Knoppix

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

Thanks! Keenly awaiting it... FN

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Arun M wrote:


> Hi Fred,
> 
>   I've arranged for sending CD to you. It should be reaching you
> shortly. Please note that we are making modifications every day and new
> releases in every 2-3 days. 
> 
> arun 
> 
> 
> 

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[Indic-computing-users] some patent claims related to opentype

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

Hi, 
 Some patents related to handling Opentype. Maybe we should debate on
these, how they affect free s/w or opensource. Also if there is any
relevance to Indic.

Font feature file processing - Adobe Systems

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=ptxt&S1=Opentype&OS=Opentype&RS=Opentype

Methods and apparatus that process a front-end editable text file--a
feature file--that specifies features for a font, and in particular to
an OpenType.TM. font. The specified features are parsed and stored in
the font as font data. The feature file contains simple logic
statements for the specification of various typographical features,
such as layout features, expressed in a high-level feature definition
language. The feature file may contain override values for fields in
font tables. The feature file can be processed in combination with an
existing font file to establish an enhanced font file. 


Using and accessing information from fonts in multiple formats - Sun
Microsystems

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=3&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=ptxt&S1=Opentype&OS=Opentype&RS=Opentype


Laying out a paragraph by defining all the characters as a single text
run by substituting, and then positioning the glyphs - Microsoft

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=4&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=ptxt&S1=Opentype&OS=Opentype&RS=Opentype

Laying out a paragraph using a layout services library. An entire
paragraph is defined as a single text run. The text run is laid out by
substituting glyphs for the characters of the text run and then
positioning the glyphs. After the text run is laid out, the length of
the text run is compared to the line length. If the length of the text
run exceeds the line length, then the text run is divided into a
parent text run and a child text run. If justification is enabled,
then the parent text run is justified. If a child text run is created,
then the length of the child text run is compared to the line length.
If the length of the child text run exceeds the line length, then the
process is repeated until the length of the last child text run does
not exceed the line length. A layout services library provides text
processing functions which support the paragraph layout and the
justification.


Method for rendering glyphs using a layout services library -
Microsoft

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=5&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=ptxt&S1=Opentype&OS=Opentype&RS=Opentype

Rendering glyphs using a layout services library. A layout services
library provides a set of text-processing functions for use by a
client program. The text-processing functions access font information
stored in the font tables insulating the client program from the
details of the font table formats. The layout services library may be
used to identify glyph variants and to position glyphs along a base
line for a run of text. To identify glyph variants, the layout
services library scans the run of text to identify the locations of
characters having alternative glyph forms. The layout services library
creates a list of feature parameter structures, each of which contains
a count of the number of glyph alternates that apply for each
identified character. The client program assembles a list of identical
characters which have different parameters and presents a list of all
glyph variants to the user who chooses one of the alternatives. To
position glyphs, the layout services library assembles data that
describes the advance of a virtual pen point from glyph to glyph along
the base line, an X-placement value, and a Y-placement value. The
X-placement value and the Y-placement value are used to position the
glyph with respect to the virtual pen point on the base line.


Regards,
Karunakar

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[Indic-computing-users] irc channels for indic

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

Hi all,
  I created an IRC channel   #indic-computing at  irc.freenode.net
  This could be used for live discussions.
  We also have  #indlinux ( linux localisation ), #gnome-india  (
gnome dev & localisation ) at irc.gimp.org .
  Right now I have my xchat to save all conversations, later on we can
have a bot doing it on 24x7 basis.

Regards,
Karunakar

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] New

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:34:09 +0545 (NPT)
<pa...@np...> wrote:

> hi all
> 
> I am very new to this indic.
> 
> Can i run devanagari in my red hat 8.0? if yes how do i do it?.
> please guide me in a easy manner.
> 
 Download & install IndLinux-Hindi release from
http://www.indlinux.org/downloads/

> And also is there any tool for making my own font mapping?.
> 
 You need to do that in a font designing tools , Pfaedit  (
pfaedit.sourceforge.net ) is a good one.
I would say dont go abt creating ur own font mapping , which others
can really not use.

Regards,
Karunakar

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[Indic-computing-users] New

[<pa...@np...>]

hi all

I am very new to this indic.

Can i run devanagari in my red hat 8.0? if yes how do i do it?. please
guide me in a easy manner.

And also is there any tool for making my own font mapping?.

Thanks
Paras.

[Indic-computing-users] test

[<pa...@np...>]

Re: [Indic-computing-users] TTX

[Nagarjuna G. <nag...@hb...>]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:11:00PM +0530, Dr. U.B. Pavanaja wrote:
> Has anyone worked on TTX? What is the ffedback?
> 

Initially our work at hbcse, and also by Arun at Trivandrum are based
on TTX.  It works!  Arun, I hope, can do a workshop on TTX in
Bangalore during the event.  Even Karunakar worked on this, he has
more ambitious plans.  He could say this better.

Nagarjuna

Re: [Indic-computing-users] TTX

[G K. <kar...@fr...>]

Dr. U.B. Pavanaja wrote:
> Has anyone worked on TTX? What is the ffedback?
> 
   Fonttools ( fonttools.sourceforge.net ), converts TTF/OTF fonts to
native to xml format & vice versa.
   You can add OTF tables, in assembly way be editing the xml and trying
to generate TTF/OTF till you dont get any errors.
   I have been toying with it to use it to make a opentype editing tool
(on lines of volt, or better).  Though Pfaedit is maturing, but I would
still do it to satisfy my 'itch' :)

Regards,
Karunakar

[Indic-computing-users] TTX

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

Has anyone worked on TTX? What is the ffedback?

Rgds,
Pavanaja--------------------------------------------
---------
Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
Editor, Vishva Kannada
World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
http://www.vishvakannada.com/

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[Indic-computing-users] Indic-Font workshop: Participants information

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...>]

  Hi,

All the participants who have registered to the Indic-Computing's "The 
First National Indic-Font workshop" to be held from 28th to 30th March 
2003, at PESIT Bangalore, India is 20th march 2003. Here is some 
logistics related information, we require your cooperation to facilitate 
your stay in Bangalore during the workshop.

Accommodation:

1) We would only provide modest hostel accommodation at the PESIT, which 
would be free
2) Those who would like to make there own arrangement are encouraged
3) If you require our assistance in booking hotel for you, here are some 
rates detail, those who wish that we book for them, please notify us by 
15th March 2003, please send your travel plan, we shall book for you, 
needless to say that cost would be borne by you. We cannot take 
responsibility of non availability of rooms for applicants after 15th 
March 2002. These hotels are near the Venue: (please write to 
<vi...@de...>)

Jayanagar Guest House:

Non A/C with TV -> 385 Rs/day
Non A/C without TV -> 330 Rs/day

PAI Vijay Hotel:

Double Delux Non A/c -> 600 Rs/day
Double Delux A/c -> 800 Rs/day

Transport:

For Taxi the best option will be City taxies , you have to make a call 
and they will pick you from any place. The numbers for taxi are : 
080-6780022/44/66.

Workshop:

a) 30 PCs with Win XP and RedHat (8.0) as dual boot pre installed are 
available for the workshop lab work. Some basic software yet needs to be 
installed for the workshop (ex. VOLT, VTT etc.), would be done in time. 
If there is any other requirement of participants/speakers please let us 
know in advance. (please write to <vi...@de...>)

b) LCD Projector for presentation with audio system is available

c) Over Head Projector could also be made available, speakers who wish 
to use one, please let us know in advance.

d) As per our instructions earlier the participants should bring the 
following things with them for the seminar

1) Their own TTF font to be used for converting into OTF
2) Their own Floppy properly tested (to copy their work from the workshop)

best

vijay

--------------------------------

All those who are yet to register, please do so soonest. Your status as 
of now with us is as under:

To facilitate registration an online application form is available at 
http://www.realityinfo.com/indic/indic-comp.pdf (*)

(*) Acobat Reader 5.0 is required to open the form and it can be 
downloaded from following URL:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

The format for submitting application is as under, application could 
also be sent directly at <vi...@ek...>

Application format:

" Name
" Organisation
" Communication Address
" Whether participating in individual capacity or representing your 
organization
" In either case please write in 200 words your interests and what do 
you expect from the workshop

(If there are more then one participant from your organization/group 
please provide the numbers and communication address only.)

It may be reminded to participants & members that registration fee has 
been waived for participation. A small fee of 200.00 Rs is applicable, 
which is to be submitted in cash on day one of the workshop.

The list of participants who have "confirmed" and send there application 
is as under, many members who had earlier expressed interest but are "to 
confirm" there participation are as under.

It is a request to all to please confirm there participation yet again 
by sending information in the given format. All those who have 
personally expressed interest should also reconfirm there participation 
please.

thanks

vijay

Participants status for the Indic Font Workshop: As on 10th March 2003, 
10.00 PM, IST
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sno Name Organization Contact Status
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1 G Karunakar IndLinux.org kar...@ne... Confirmed

2 Linux Lingam lin...@bh... Confirmed

3 R. Murugapandian Sudharsanam bar...@sa... Confirmed
Centre for Arts
& Culture,
Pudukkottai,
Tamil Nadu

4 Bhupesh Koli BharateeyaOO.o Team, bha...@nc..., Confirmed
NCST (National Centre bh...@nc...
for Software Technology),
Bangalore

5 Shikha G Pillai ,, sh...@nc... Confirmed

6 Mustafa Jabbar Ananda Computers, an...@bd... Confirmed
Dhaka, Bangaladesh

7 Amar Gurung Nepali Font ama...@in... Confirmed
Standardization Project,
Madan Puraskar Pustakalaya
[MPP], Nepal

8 Pawan Chitakar ,, ,, Confirmed

9 Dr. U B Pavanaja Vishvakannada pav...@vi... Confirmed

10 Vijay Pratap Singh ekgaon technologies vi...@ek... Confirmed
Aditya

11 Abhas Abhinav DeepRoot Linux ab...@de... Confirmed

12 Vikram Singh DeepRoot Linux vi...@de... Confirmed

13 Karambir Singh Rohilla Summit Info.Tech.Ltd. 
ksr...@su... To confirm

14 Sunil J. Shetty Modular Infotech shr...@mo... To 
confirm

15 Raj Kumar S Linuxense ra...@li... To confirm

16 Ravindra Pande pa...@ya... To confirm

17 Aman Grewal ChiPS, Raipur am...@gr... To confirm
Chattisgarh

18 Yet to be Named ,, ,, To confirm

19 Sunil Abraham Mahiti.org su...@ma... To confirm

20 Yet to be Named ,, ,, To confirm

21 Ravi Kant Sarai, New Delhi rav...@sa... To confirm

22 Pritam Nahar Reality Info, Bangalore pr...@re... To confirm

23 Alok Kumar Bangalore al...@ya... To confirm

24 M Arun FSF, Thirunanthapuram ar...@fr... To Confirm

25 Nagarjuna G Homi Bhaba Center for nag...@hb... To confirm
Science & Education,
Mumbai

26 K Nagarajan H.P., Bangalore kn...@wi... To Confirm

27 Joseph Koshy a_j...@ya... To confirm

28 N. Anitha IISc., Bangalore na...@mg... To confirm

29 Delhi Students fon...@re... To confirm

30 Venugopal FRLHT, Bangalore ven...@em... To confirm

31 Janmeja Johl Ludhiana, Punjab ja...@em... To confirm

32 Manoj R Annadurai Chennai Kavigal ma...@ch... To confirm

33 NIIT  Sashikant Sambalpur, Orissa sas...@ya... To confirm

34 - Mithi Softwares, Pune - To confirm

35 - Akruti, Mumbai - To confirm

36 - CDAC - To confirm

37 - Webdunia - To confirm

38 Jitendra Shah - - To confirm









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[Indic-computing-users] Indic-Font workshop: Participants status as on 10th March 2003, 10.00 PM, IST

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...>]

Hi,

This is to remind all that the last date of registration for "The First 
National Indic-Font workshop" to be held from 28th to 30th March 2003, 
at PESIT Bangalore, India is 20th march 2003. To facilitate registration 
an online application form is available at 
http://www.realityinfo.com/indic/indic-comp.pdf (*)

(*) Acobat Reader 5.0 is required to open the form and it can be 
downloaded from following URL:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

The format for submitting application is as under, application could 
also be sent directly at <vi...@ek...>

Application format:

" Name
" Organisation
" Communication Address
" Whether participating in individual capacity or representing your 
organization
" In either case please write in 200 words your interests and what do 
you expect from the workshop

(If there are more then one participant from your organization/group 
please provide the numbers and communication address only.)

It may be reminded to participants & members that registration fee has 
been waived for participation. A small fee of 200.00 Rs is applicable, 
which is to be submitted in cash on day one of the workshop.

The list of participants who have "confirmed" and send there application 
is as under, many members who had earlier expressed interest but are "to 
confirm" there participation are as under.

It is a request to all to please confirm there participation yet again 
by sending information in the given format. All those who have 
personally expressed interest should also reconfirm there participation 
please.

thanks

vijay

Participants status for the Indic Font Workshop: As on 10th March 2003, 
10.00 PM, IST
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Sno Name Organization Contact Status
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1 G Karunakar IndLinux.org kar...@ne... Confirmed

2 Linux Lingam lin...@bh... Confirmed

3 R. Murugapandian Sudharsanam bar...@sa... Confirmed
Centre for Arts
& Culture,
Pudukkottai,
Tamil Nadu

4 Bhupesh Koli BharateeyaOO.o Team, bha...@nc..., Confirmed
NCST (National Centre bh...@nc...
for Software Technology),
Bangalore

5 Shikha G Pillai ,, sh...@nc... Confirmed

6 Mustafa Jabbar Ananda Computers, an...@bd... Confirmed
Dhaka, Bangaladesh

7 Amar Gurung Nepali Font ama...@in... Confirmed
Standardization Project,
Madan Puraskar Pustakalaya
[MPP], Nepal

8 Pawan Chitakar ,, ,, Confirmed

9 Dr. U B Pavanaja Vishvakannada pav...@vi... Confirmed

10 Vijay Pratap Singh ekgaon technologies vi...@ek... Confirmed
Aditya

11 Abhas Abhinav DeepRoot Linux ab...@de... Confirmed

12 Vikram Singh DeepRoot Linux vi...@de... Confirmed

13 Karambir Singh Rohilla Summit Info.Tech.Ltd. 
ksr...@su... To confirm

14 Sunil J. Shetty Modular Infotech shr...@mo... To 
confirm

15 Raj Kumar S Linuxense ra...@li... To confirm

16 Ravindra Pande pa...@ya... To confirm

17 Aman Grewal ChiPS, Raipur am...@gr... To confirm
Chattisgarh

18 Yet to be Named ,, ,, To confirm

19 Sunil Abraham Mahiti.org su...@ma... To confirm

20 Yet to be Named ,, ,, To confirm

21 Ravi Kant Sarai, New Delhi rav...@sa... To confirm

22 Pritam Nahar Reality Info, Bangalore pr...@re... To confirm

23 Alok Kumar Bangalore al...@ya... To confirm

24 M Arun FSF, Thirunanthapuram ar...@fr... To Confirm

25 Nagarjuna G Homi Bhaba Center for nag...@hb... To confirm
Science & Education,
Mumbai

26 K Nagarajan H.P., Bangalore kn...@wi... To Confirm

27 Joseph Koshy a_j...@ya... To confirm

28 N. Anitha IISc., Bangalore na...@mg... To confirm

29 Delhi Students fon...@re... To confirm

30 Venugopal FRLHT, Bangalore ven...@em... To confirm

31 Janmeja Johl Ludhiana, Punjab ja...@em... To confirm

32 Manoj R Annadurai Chennai Kavigal ma...@ch... To confirm

33 NIIT  Sashikant Sambalpur, Orissa sas...@ya... To confirm

34 - Mithi Softwares, Pune - To confirm

35 - Akruti, Mumbai - To confirm

36 - CDAC - To confirm

37 - Webdunia - To confirm

38 Jitendra Shah - - To confirm









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[Indic-computing-users] Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [Indic-Computing] Indic Font Workshop

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...>]

K Nagarajan wrote:

>Hi Vijay,
>
>Going by the  agenda on all three  days,  there is  hardly  any  scope  for
>anything  other  than OTF and MS tools such as VOLT (save for a small  item
>titled 'Encoding' by Koshy) in this workshop to discuss or share.  You have
>mentioned  that the program is to be revised after  confirmation  from more
>speakers.  That was on Feb  22nd.  Till  now I  haven't  seen  any  further
>updates  on it  on  who  else  would  be  presenting  specific  topics  and
>discussing  generic and special  issues.  So, I wonder - would it be
>just a w/s on OpenType and related issues ?  Pls clarify.  Thanks.
>  
>
Dear Nagarajan,

The program for the workshop was to be revised if member would come to 
volunteer for topics as speakers that would have made this workshop 
truly a open debate on Indic-Font. In the course of time and as you have 
also seen nobody came forward. It was expected from you also to take up 
some topic, but you also did not volunteer. I was in constant touch with 
Dr. Pavanaja on the issue and was hoping that some one would come 
forward but at the end of the day topics remain as they are with 
inclusion of special presentation only (which are yet to be scheduled, 
which Pavanaja is supposed to do, after discussing with the speaker). 
Only two presenters Arun M & Karunakar have confirmed till now to take 
up there topics.

My suggestion to you and request to all others is that there is still 
time to include other generic & specific issues related to indic-fonts 
along with the tools (OS) as well. But people who are working on them 
have to come forward to volunteer for the topics. Finally the same could 
be discussed by the community and included in the agenda.

If we are not able to get good presenters to take up those topics, then 
sadly, this workshop would limit it self to Open Type font, as also was 
mentioned in my last mail, Koshy was also of the same opinion.

I guess this is up to you to decide, If you do agree then please contact 
Karunakar & Pavanaja, as they are coordinating the technical programme, 
I am limited to arrangements for the workshop.

thanks

vijay

>
>  
>
>>From: Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya <vi...@ek...>
>>Reply-To: vi...@ek...,
>>        indic-computing-devel <ind...@li...>
>>Organization: ekgaon technologies
>>Subject: [Indic-computing-standards] [Indic-Computing] Indic Font Workshop
>>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:06:26 +0530
>>Status: RO
>>
>>
>>Hi!
>>
>>There are a few updates after the last announcement on the OTF workshop 
>>to share with the community. We had been trying our bit to resolve some 
>>of the problems, concerns, issues raised by the members in the list, 
>>which are definitely correct, understandable and required action. There 
>>had been an off-line debate on the topics and some issues got resolved 
>>as well as some support has came about, hence this announcement. It has 
>>also been recommended by some of members that all debates on workshop 
>>issues should be done on lists only. So here it is for all the member 
>>for open debate as well as there is strong appeal to the members 
>>particularly those who wish to develop open source tools for development 
>>of OTF, hence developers of tools and applications and other those who 
>>suggest alternate standards as against limitations of Unicode for Indian 
>>languages as discussed in Indic-Computing workshop Sept 2002 and again 
>>many time in the Indic-mailing lists.
>>
>>This debate has been suggested to be only limited to "users" list so 
>>that it does not clutter "devel" & "standards" list. However for this 
>>time it is being posted on all lists, so that all members who are 
>>interested should join in users list (if they are already not subscribed 
>>there).
>>
>>    
>>
>...[snip]....
>
>  
>
>>Workshop program: (to be revised after confirmation of more speakers)
>>-------------------------
>>
>>Day-1:
>>
>>09:00 - 09:45 Registration
>>09:45 - 10:15 Welcome & Inauguration  J Koshy / Director PESIT
>>10:15 - 10:45 Overview - Pavanaja
>>10:45 - 11:00 Tea break
>>11:00 - 11:30 Planning glyph repertoire - Pavanaja
>>11:30 - 13:00 Introduction to Indian scripts, Character set, tools & Glyph Design & current trends in fonts- Ravi Pande
>>13:00 - 14:00 Lunch break
>>14:00 - 15:00 Testing glyphs, Generating Fonts, Font format - Ravi Pande
>>15:00 - 15:15 Tea break
>>15:15 - 17.15 Lab: Define glyphs and fill out repertoire
>>17.15 - Tea & informal interaction
>>
>>Day-2:
>>
>>09:30 - 10:15 Encoding - J Koshy
>>10:15 - 10:45 Introduction to OTF - Pavanaja
>>10:45 - 11:00 Tea break
>>11:00 - 11:30 Open Type Tables - Pavanaja
>>11:30 - 13:00 Introduction to VOLT - Pavanaja
>>13:00 - 14:00 Lunch break
>>14:00  Lab: Open type tables
>>
>>Day-3:
>>
>>09:30 - 10:15 Testing - Pavanaja
>>10:15 - 10:45 Hinting  Pavanaja
>>10:45 - 11:00 Tea break
>>11:00 - 11:30 Digitally signing the font - Pavanaja
>>11:30 - 13:00 Fonts on Linux - Karunakar
>>13:00 - 14:00 Lunch break
>>14:00  Lab: Open type tables
>>
>>Special presentations proposed:
>>
>>a. Sunil Abraham, Mahiti, Bangalore, would arrange for an IPR (cyber 
>>laws) lawyer Lawrence Liang, who would discuss the issue of OTF openness 
>>after understanding the Adobe & Microsoft agreement on release of the fonts.
>>b. Development of Otf from Ttf (Akruti) & other fonts experiences: 
>>Karunakar, Nagarjuna, Ravi Pande, Raj Kumar, Sayamindu???
>>c. Open/free software tools for Otf development: M Arun ?????
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 

Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya
ekgaon technologies
email: vi...@ek...
website: http://www.ekgaon.com




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[Indic-computing-users] SPIDER: BBC Urdu Online 'the best' (fwd)

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

Thanks to Zunaira Durrani for sending this in. FN

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2831075.stm

BBC Urdu Online 'the best'
By Umber Khairi
BBC Urdu Online

The team get messages from all around the world
BBC's Urdu news site, BBCurdu.com, has just been ranked the world's best
Urdu website by South Asia's leading internet magazine, Spider.

The March issue of Spider carried out a survey of Urdu sites to rank the top
10 websites.

BBCUrdu.com shared the honour with the news daily Jang's internet site,
jang.com.

Spider says BBCUrdu is "remarkable - one of the best news and entertainment
sites and gives a high standard content in Urdu".

All over the world

When BBCUrdu was launched last year, it was hailed as something that would
prove to be a landmark in Urdu online publishing.


"Remarkable, one of the best sites," was the judges' verdict

More than a year later, the news site logs thousands of hits 24 hours a day.

It now ranks as the most successful of the BBC's South Asia language news
sites.

It gets e-mails from readers from countries as far apart as Finland and
Japan, as well as from remote areas of Pakistan.

"It is really gratifying," says BBCUrdu's editor Mohammed Hanif.

"Since Urdu is just developing on the web, it is truly exciting to be part
of the whole process."

Variety of choice

The Spider survey gives an interesting picture of Urdu publishing on the
web.

Of the top 10 sites it lists, two are Urdu dailies (Jang and Ausaf), and
three are portals.

One offers Urdu and other regional language downloads (Liwal).

One is a bilingual news site originating from the US (Urdu Times), and one
offers Urdu tutorials, dictionaries and Urdu website building skills
(Ukindia).

[Indic-computing-users] Tamil browser...feedback

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

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Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 13:48:57 +0530 (India Standard Time)
   From: Murugapandian <pa...@pu...>
Subject: Thamizha! tested..!

Dear Enthoo's
This mail is to tell you my experience with Beta version of Thamizha!
Browser.
Its a 13MB installation file, which can be downloaded from www.thamizha.com.
And installation goes without any problem. Please note that this version is
designed for Windows 2000 and XP only. the edition for 9x platforms is under
construction.

Please look at the following the following things, for installation of
Thamizha!
* check Tamil is configured in your machine. if yes, go ahead. or please
install Tamil from your windows installation CD. Regional settings in
Control panel will help you!
* If you are not satisfying the above stated point, tamil letters will be
looked jumbled. ie, ku will be misinterpreted as ka+kombu! :(
* Our friends who have tested this browser, saying that, the combined
letters like kO, ko are misplaced. if first point has been satisfied, you
can browse/mail with Tamil interface happily.

Please spend some time in Thamizha and send your queries, suggestions,
modifications to the team (via their website www.thamizha.com).

Wish you a Happy Tamil Browsing!!

nanRikaL!
Anbudan
Pandian

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Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:12:58 -0800 (PST)
   From: k r i s h n a <kr...@ya...>
Subject: Re: Thamizha! tested..!

Hi pandian,

Using it right NOW. 
Overall, its  a very interesting experiance. 

--Nitpicking starts:)---
But I sometimes end up laughing at some of the
translations for example for the 'Advanced' option
(Edit -> preferences) the translation is
uyartharamana. 
Doesnt uyartharamana mean High quality?.

and sometimes I just dont get what a particular option
means (Inayanillai and vattu parapu????).

--Nitpicking ends---

But again it is alpha and it looks very very good from
an end user perspective. Will surely use it (and file
bugs as appropriate:)))

bye,
krishna

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