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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-07-31 01:58:46
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In case you search via titles and didn't read Erics message a few minutes ago: MEETING via IRC: Server: irc.envolution.com Port: 6667 Channel: #envolution One more thing I would like to bring up is a planned developer meeting that we would like to have this weekend. The plan for now is Saturday morning 10am (EST) August 2. I would like to get as many of you to come so if this time will not work for you please let me know. I would like to keep this in the morning so that our International community can also participate. If you cannot attend we will be posting the IRC logs of the meeting on the website for everybody to view. I think that covers everything for now, but if you still have any questions please let me know! Email: apa...@en... Instant messenger clients: Aim: apathynight ICQ: 317635383 Msn: apa...@ho... Yahoo: apa...@ya... Eric Barr (a.k.a ApathyBoy) Project Manager - Envolution |
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From: Eric B. <apa...@xe...> - 2003-07-31 01:40:59
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I just wanted to take a moment and say hey to everyone here on the developer list. There are a lot of new faces here since the last time I worked on the Envolution staff and I look forward to working with and getting to know all of you. I know we will all have a good time here! Today I have posted on the main Envolution site the goals I would like to see the project achieve. These goals are taken straight from the original Envolution Vision and Roadmap and are meant only to provide a guideline for development. How we achieve this vision is up to you the development team, as well as the entire Envolution community. We are project founded on Open Source and Open Development which means all the details will be decided and agreed upon by you the community. Currently there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes to get the new website up and running as quickly as possible. We should have the forums back up by tomorrow and we already have an IRC set up if you want to stop by and chat about everything that's going on. Server: irc.envolution.com Port: 6667 Channel: #envolution I know that change can be a rough process sometimes, but I ask that you please bear with us as we get things back on track. Rome was not built in a day, and neither shall be Envolution :) I will be around for most of the night as I will be up late working on the new Envolution design. If any of you have any questions or comments please let me know, I would like everybody to have a say in where this project goes. If you need to contact me personally here is my contact info. Email: apa...@en... Instant messenger clients: Aim: apathynight ICQ: 317635383 Msn: apa...@ho... Yahoo: apa...@ya... One more thing I would like to bring up is a planned developer meeting that we would like to have this weekend. The plan for now is Saturday morning 10am (EST) August 2. I would like to get as many of you to come so if this time will not work for you please let me know. I would like to keep this in the morning so that our International community can also participate. If you cannot attend we will be posting the IRC logs of the meeting on the website for everybody to view. I think that covers everything for now, but if you still have any questions please let me know! Eric Barr (a.k.a ApathyBoy) Project Manager - Envolution |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-07-31 01:21:39
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We will be having a meeting soon on IRC for everyone to meet and chat about development and current issues. ApathyBoy will announce the date and time soon. It's gonna happen on Saturday morning I believe August 2. But thats not confirmed yet. However, please visit irc.envolution.com port 6667 on channel #envolution and register your IRC nick asap please so that you have a unique nickname for chatting. I've posted a quick guide on how to register your nick here: http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 Zoom |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-07-30 23:52:22
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On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:39, Stefan K=C3=B6hler wrote: > I agreed with all you say. But primarily all modifications were done fo= r > eNvolution and not for public use in other projects like PN. Wait a second Stephan. The Encompass and Envolution code is GPL'd so any derivative works must also be GPL'd. This means that Lucas modifications to any GPL'd code cannot be restricted to Envolution only. Any project,including PN, can use it. I would encourage everyone to use Opensource GPL'd code in their projects as long as the terms of the GPL are respected. No one can restrict who uses GPL'd code! Zoom |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-07-30 21:48:09
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Furbo" <fu...@si...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: Re[2]: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] GPL respect > YES! how is someone supposed to be able to (or required to) add > proper comments if the comments are not there? For me, I look at a > file alone. If the names are not there then its kind of hard for someone to > complain about it.. Yes, having names in a central file is nice and > all but it can not be expected for someone to filter through a list of > hundreds of names for all the developers of Envo to find the few that > worked on a module or edited it.. Those who work on code should put their names > IN the code they change or at least in the module/file being changed. > > Now an issue could be argued that after the fact IF names were not in > original file 'taken' from envo.. how is anyone to know who really did > what work.. I know Brook and Larry will do their best to accommodate the > original coders but look at it from a fraud point of view.. ANYONE > could show up one day and say 'Oh, i worked on that' bc their name is > in the Evno credits file but not in the modules comments.. a lot of > people are in that central credits file but they dont deserve credit > for all the code.. i would hate for a 'i did that too' war to break > out over GPL code. I agreed with all you say. But primarily all modifications were done for eNvolution and not for public use in other projects like PN. We from eNvo-DevTeam knows all what Luca has done in the codes. And this was and is defintly a great job. Otherwise you from PN knows everything what Brook, Larry and others done without including credits into the files. So accept, that we have forgotten to pay attention to include names, credits or something like this into the code. One reason for this I try to explain it at the beginning in one sentence. I'm not sure if someone from PN-DevTeam ask Luca to copy code (with his modifications) from eNvo-CVS. So we have had the possibility to include credits. Now everything is done and you have to put the credits into the files. I'm sure you have copy&paste parts of our code into yours. I mean you don't use our code 1:1 as it is. The same applies to parts of our extended Encompass. If I'm wrong correct me. I can't know everything.... To find out where are the modifications of Luca can be found, he has explain it in one of his mails on this list. You can grep the files for 'modified for oracle compatibility'. Then you know where Oracle parts are inserted. And again: This is a wish of Luca. He ask for it. And we all have to respect credits that where putting into code all the same of whom, where or what. Ok you do so after best knowledge and certain. And we do so too. And if someone don't want to insert his name as credits into the code, this is also ok. Then it in addition, no requirements may place later. For me, I insert my name into the code where ever I think it would be useful (for comments, questions, etc.) not with priority of credits. And I ask the author of the files if it is allowed to use it before modify it for my needs. For modules all forms of credits are possible, directly in the code, as credits-file or as i.e. "powered by...." in the output form. But what Luca has done were changes in the hiding. Without output. So there is only one possibility remaining: To include credits into the code. I don't see any problems with that. It is only a situation which is solvable. Stefan > YES! how is someone supposed to be able to (or required to) add > proper comments if the comments are not there? For me, I look at a > file alone. If the names are not there then its kind of hard for someone to > complain about it.. Yes, having names in a central file is nice and > all but it can not be expected for someone to filter through a list of > hundreds of names for all the developers of Envo to find the few that > worked on a module or edited it.. Those who work on code should put their names > IN the code they change or at least in the module/file being changed. > > Now an issue could be argued that after the fact IF names were not in > original file 'taken' from envo.. how is anyone to know who really did > what work.. I know Brook and Larry will do their best to accommodate the > original coders but look at it from a fraud point of view.. ANYONE > could show up one day and say 'Oh, i worked on that' bc their name is > in the Evno credits file but not in the modules comments.. a lot of > people are in that central credits file but they dont deserve credit > for all the code.. i would hate for a 'i did that too' war to break > out over GPL code. > > > For future modifications the best way to ensure proper credit is to > > comment your changes directly in the file you are modifying. A simple: > > /* modified by 'your name here' */ usually works well. > > Agreed put the credits with the code if people want proper credit for > changing things.. i know it can be a pain, but thats life. If you > want credit for something make sure ANYONE who looks at the code (just > that 1 file) can tell. You can not expect (and i dont think the GPL > requires) that people hunt for the credits.. > > > Zoom > > > -- > Furbo > |
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From: Furbo <fu...@si...> - 2003-07-30 17:20:36
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> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 09:27, Stefan Köhler wrote: >> @All: >> What we can do now? Is it possible to say: "Many thanks for Oracle >> implementation to ......" or something else. >> > I think the easiest way to solve the problem is realize that neither > Brook nor Luca intend to, or want to, let ANY code we work on be > released without credits to the proper people. > So to resolve this issue all that needs to be done is to have Luca show > exaclty what code he modified in Encompass or Envolution and then credit > his modifications accordingly. This is the only proper way to handle it. YES! how is someone supposed to be able to (or required to) add proper comments if the comments are not there? For me, I look at a file alone. If the names are not there then its kind of hard for someone to complain about it.. Yes, having names in a central file is nice and all but it can not be expected for someone to filter through a list of hundreds of names for all the developers of Envo to find the few that worked on a module or edited it.. Those who work on code should put their names IN the code they change or at least in the module/file being changed. Now an issue could be argued that after the fact IF names were not in original file 'taken' from envo.. how is anyone to know who really did what work.. I know Brook and Larry will do their best to accommodate the original coders but look at it from a fraud point of view.. ANYONE could show up one day and say 'Oh, i worked on that' bc their name is in the Evno credits file but not in the modules comments.. a lot of people are in that central credits file but they dont deserve credit for all the code.. i would hate for a 'i did that too' war to break out over GPL code. > For future modifications the best way to ensure proper credit is to > comment your changes directly in the file you are modifying. A simple: > /* modified by 'your name here' */ usually works well. Agreed put the credits with the code if people want proper credit for changing things.. i know it can be a pain, but thats life. If you want credit for something make sure ANYONE who looks at the code (just that 1 file) can tell. You can not expect (and i dont think the GPL requires) that people hunt for the credits.. > Zoom -- Furbo Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso |
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-07-30 16:07:28
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As Max pointed out I was not referring to credits in the code. I left the old code (a thing that I consider bad programming) commented= out because I was new of the community and didn't know if there were some standards to follow, because the Oracle integration could cause some falfunction to other parts so to help other people understand what I changed, because it could be of help to others as an example of how to write compatible code; that chunk is anso in xantia, that's a fact. The credits I was talking are the ones on the main credit file of the product (my interpretation is that since a product is composed by many files it's impratical and leave the code unreadable to fill it with nam= es, but there is a credit file for the whole thing) to the developer commun= ity the CVS states who dit what and where if you take part of the code for another product you have to say that part of the code is derived by the= origin (or mention all the people). In envo everything ends up there past and present; also in pn seems to = work the same, but ... Surely an act of forgetfullness. In fact I wrote quite politely asking to do it, and I saw that with the= same politedness phpnut answered me substantially conferming that they = took the code. There is no bad thing in that and I was not offended, I just asked for = the credits. That's the end of the question. Perhaps If the credits were all written right now there should no peopl= e arguing about who was the oldest programmer on the product, it would be= written down. Obviousy there is the question on the 2 community working together ... If instead of spending time in cut & paste of other code people could b= e professional enough to organize a merge ... I was and are skeptical, but I'm open minded, and like to see good surprises ... Looking to the situation it seems that the 2 community (I say both so nobody get's angry) are copying part from the other, add some different= more and then, on the new release, say 'look I'm better than you'. Maybe it's just an impression. Luca |---------+--------------------------------------------> | | TiMax <ma...@em...> | | | Inviato da: | | | env...@li...ur| | | ceforge.net | | | | | | | | | 07/30/2003 04:46 PM | | | Per favore, rispondere a | | | envolution-devel | | | | |---------+--------------------------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------| | = | | Per: <env...@li...> = | | Cc: = | | Oggetto: Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] GPL respect = | >--------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------| On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:27:09 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote: > @Luca: > I'm sorry. But nobody can know it that you have change something. A= nd > espacially what you have changed. The only credits I can see are th= e credits > of the original authors. > Ok, I haven't checked the whole scripts, but some of them. You are right Stefan, nobody can know about all credits, or otherwise i= s also difficult to add all credits to all files, otherwise we have some megs of code only to add all credits. But when someone ask to correct credits and he can prove it ........ i think is right to correct this credits or not ? So Xanthia or Postnuke take eNvolution code without respect credits ? Is not a problem, for example Luca ask to corect it and they must corre= ct it ..... that is all. Max ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_0= 1/01 _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel = |
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-07-30 15:56:42
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From: Brook H. <ba...@we...> - 2003-07-30 15:42:57
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On Wednesday 30 July 2003 08:29, TiMax wrote:
> I don't see Luca credits or my credits in Postnuke globals credits
>
> TiMax
there is nothing I can do about postnuke global credits. Only those for the
modules I work on.
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From: Brook H. <ba...@we...> - 2003-07-30 15:37:21
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On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:27, Stefan K=F6hler wrote:
> Ok. I think there is a miss-understanding. Possible I can clear it a bit.
>
> @Brook:
> In the forum thread I was a bit angry about the posting of Infopro. I can=
't
> understand to post such a thing "without saying nothing".
> That sounds in my ears very practice-substantially. This is my personal
> feeling.
I'm sorry also I think my emails are getting taken wrong. I was just trying=
to=20
say that we all do much work that never ever gets recognized. I'm not sore =
or=20
mad about it. If any of us are good coders our work speaks for itself and=20
those looking for work to be done comes to those that know what they are=20
doing.
> But it is true that we have done (not me, but sjah you can ask) a lot of
> new things and re-codings in the last three months. The encompass engine =
is
> not the same as the version you know 1 year ago.
> Ok. We should stop the discussion for this point now.
> It was my mistake to include it in the PN-forum. I'm sorry.
> We can talk about at an other place.
Right I wish I could say about xanthia but it all the work of Larry masters=
=20
now. Well mostly I do some things like most the javascript and help with=20
templates since xanthia is now using envrender(pnrender) but Larry has alwa=
ys=20
wanted to be fair as well as I.=20
>
> But what Luca want to say are his modifactions in nearly every code with
> SQL-queries. He modified them for using with Oracle.
> It is possible to create tables on an existing Oracle database. It is
> included in the install routines.
> About his modifications all modules of eNvo 1.25FLS-package can run on
> Oracle.
If we can be shown the code in question then we will try to add credit if n=
ot=20
we will try as you suggest and add a line at the top.
>
> But what I have miss in the modified codes is any notice like "last
> modified" or "changed by",etc.
>
> @Luca:
> I'm sorry. But nobody can know it that you have change something. And
> espacially what you have changed. The only credits I can see are the
> credits of the original authors.
> Ok, I haven't checked the whole scripts, but some of them.
>
> @All:
> What we can do now? Is it possible to say: "Many thanks for Oracle
> implementation to ......" or something else.
This sounds fair. Mostly i would just like to know the code in question sin=
ce=20
I'm not sure how new the code is that larry is working on.
>
> Maybe here we can find a solution and stop the discussion for this point,
> too.
Yes I look forward working together with you and the new envolution crew.
>
> cu
> Stefan aka WindMeUp
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-07-30 15:32:27
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On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 09:27, Stefan K=C3=B6hler wrote: > @All: > What we can do now? Is it possible to say: "Many thanks for Oracle > implementation to ......" or something else. >=20 I think the easiest way to solve the problem is realize that neither Brook nor Luca intend to, or want to, let ANY code we work on be released without credits to the proper people. So to resolve this issue all that needs to be done is to have Luca show exaclty what code he modified in Encompass or Envolution and then credit his modifications accordingly. This is the only proper way to handle it. For future modifications the best way to ensure proper credit is to comment your changes directly in the file you are modifying. A simple: /* modified by 'your name here' */ usually works well. Zoom |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-07-30 15:30:32
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:09:24 -0700, Brook Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:41, TiMax wrote: > > Check it and I think you can found lot of code. > I have been working with larry on this and although he has worked mostly= on > xanthia and not myself I know he has left comments were he has found= them. > > Again show me were and we will add the credits. Good ....... that is nice and right > > I check it and i found all your credits, i remember for example you= have > > worked in postbbcode i check it and oups i can found something like > > > > //webmedic added for bbcode controles in the news > > > > in another place > > > > /* Protects better diverse attempts of Cross-Site Scripting > > attacks, thanks to webmedic, Timax, larsneo. > > */ > > > > i check globlals credis of envolution and your name still there .....= what > > is your problem ?? > > > > and anyways we can also make a mistake, you ask and if it is correct= we fix > > it ..... > > > > and i can remember you that, YOU leave envolution development we are= always > > here and we are always open, also, i talk with you lot of times and= you > > never ask me to partecipate in envolution cvs. > > Timax you always had a secret cvs which the rest of us were not privy= to. That > was the reason I left. You can not work that way. That was my only issue= with > you ever timax. Other than that I like working with you. You were always= good > to work with and I would say still are. I took the technology that I= new was > good but forgoten here and went to postnuke with it. I have always my private cvs like you and other .. this is normal, but= eNvolution still in sourgeforge cvs and it is open, we have used private cvs in same time to sourgeforge to fix all= directory structure, before to transfert all in sourgeforge, that is because you know in sourgeforge is not easy to delete= directory and we have needed to change directory structure, but like you can see in sourgeforge from 9-10 months= developement is in sourgeforge .. > > Yes i think you need to reconsider waht you are saying, i just check= very > > fast this code in Postnuke cvs and i can see Oracle Integrazion,= Visual > > block integration, Italian comments about nomoreblocks etc etc > > well then your credits are there. I don't see the issue then. > > > > > You don't have removed credits right ...... but you don't have ADDED= the > > credits ... this is the problems ..... > > show us the code again I have stated many times we will add credits= were > credit is due. Yes that is right and nice ...... > We never had any issues. The credits are there exactly as they were.= Just the > same as any of my credits. To expect a banner at the head of every file= that > you don't have even in your own cvs is a little bit to much don't you= think. I don't see Luca credits or my credits in Postnuke globals credits TiMax |
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From: Brook H. <ba...@we...> - 2003-07-30 15:25:07
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On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:46, TiMax wrote:
> So Xanthia or Postnuke take eNvolution code without respect credits ?
> Is not a problem, for example Luca ask to corect it and they must correct
> it ..... that is all.
>
> Max
Yes there is no reason for anger just ask us. We are people and we try to be
fair. If credits were not there in any way how were we to know that they were
not there in your own source code. There s not really any way we would know
that since it is not even documented in your own code.
I'm sorry for any missunderstanding.
I guess I just got defensive when I saw allot of anger when I felt that I had
more cause to be angry then they did. I however never was angry. I was only
trying to explain myself and did not do a good job of it.
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From: Brook H. <ba...@we...> - 2003-07-30 15:11:37
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On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:56, TiMax wrote: > And you can see that, is not the first time we ask to correct the credits, > like in this news > > http://mods.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thol >d=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=1553#7161 > > where i ask that > > Correct the credits please, because in your work of search and replace you > have replaced lot of not correct words so now i lot of files we have : > > > > > // Xanthialution Content Management System > // Copyright (C) 2002 by the Xanthialution Development Team. > // http://www.envolution.com/// Traduzione Italiana a cura dello staff di > Xanthialution.it // per informazioni o suggerimenti contattate TiMax > ti...@xa... > > Xanthialution ??? LOL > and correct must be > > // Envolution Content Management System > // Copyright (C) 2002 by the Envolution Development Team. > // http://www.envolution.com/// Traduzione Italiana a cura dello staff di > Envolution.it // per informazioni o suggerimenti contattate TiMax > ti...@en... > > please make another little search and replace > > Thanks Right I know that larry is working on a header you will all like. Again Larry is the major worker on xanthia not me. I'm the pnrender guy. We plan on having this in place later today when we release the module for use on postnuke .72x. -- New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler. <!--><input type --> -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, ba...@we..., ba...@li... Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- |
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From: Brook H. <ba...@we...> - 2003-07-30 15:09:33
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On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:41, TiMax wrote:
> Hey Brook what is your problem with Italian community ??
I have nothing against them. There seem to be a few angry people. I don't know
were they are from but I was adresing some of those questions.
> Check it and I think you can found lot of code.
I have been working with larry on this and although he has worked mostly on
xanthia and not myself I know he has left comments were he has found them.
Again show me were and we will add the credits.
> Yes but with respect, and please to undestand what i mean for respect, is
> no only two litle linees of credits
If that is the credit they that they left in there that that is what is left
there.
>
> what is your problem ?
I did not have a problem until I saw others complaing about this after I had
put allot of time into it and never ever did such a thing as this. You know
as well as I do that I personaly touched almost every piece of core code and
did not put my name all over it.
> I check it and i found all your credits, i remember for example you have
> worked in postbbcode i check it and oups i can found something like
>
> //webmedic added for bbcode controles in the news
>
> in another place
>
> /* Protects better diverse attempts of Cross-Site Scripting
> attacks, thanks to webmedic, Timax, larsneo.
> */
>
> i check globlals credis of envolution and your name still there ..... what
> is your problem ??
>
> and anyways we can also make a mistake, you ask and if it is correct we fix
> it .....
>
> and i can remember you that, YOU leave envolution development we are always
> here and we are always open, also, i talk with you lot of times and you
> never ask me to partecipate in envolution cvs.
Timax you always had a secret cvs which the rest of us were not privy to. That
was the reason I left. You can not work that way. That was my only issue with
you ever timax. Other than that I like working with you. You were always good
to work with and I would say still are. I took the technology that I new was
good but forgoten here and went to postnuke with it.
>
> Yes i think you need to reconsider waht you are saying, i just check very
> fast this code in Postnuke cvs and i can see Oracle Integrazion, Visual
> block integration, Italian comments about nomoreblocks etc etc
well then your credits are there. I don't see the issue then.
>
> You don't have removed credits right ...... but you don't have ADDED the
> credits ... this is the problems .....
show us the code again I have stated many times we will add credits were
credit is due.
>
> Encompass is part of envolution core and you have take only a part of
> Encompass, so you must add credits for Encompass because major of
> Envolution credits are in globals credits, if you don't know about credits
> ... you can always ask ....
>
> Or you think is better if i take a part of code you have developed, only a
> little part and don't give you your credits.
You don't understand here I never did care that is why I never said anything
this is so petty.
>
> > I assume that will not be able to find it though as we based xanthia on
> > a much older version on encompass and have added features since. We did
> > like some things but recoded much of it from scratch as the code had many
> > issues and did not always work as expected or we found it to be limited
> > so we added more features to make an idea we saw here better. Color
> > pallets is an example of this.
>
> Sorry but Envolution have color pallets i think from 6 months .......
Yes this is the example i gave of a complete rewrite of xanthai code to
support color pallets it is much more than it was in envolution. We have
added the pallets to the admin side of envo instead of just selecting a color
pallet for a theme during the install of that theme.
We never had any issues. The credits are there exactly as they were. Just the
same as any of my credits. To expect a banner at the head of every file that
you don't have even in your own cvs is a little bit to much don't you think.
We have not tried to cover up the fact of were this code came from.
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-07-30 14:57:08
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And you can see that, is not the first time we ask to correct the credits,= like in this news http://mods.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&thold= =3D-1&mode=3Dflat&order=3D0&sid=3D1553#7161 where i ask that Correct the credits please, because in your work of search and replace you= have replaced lot of not correct words so now i lot of files we have : // Xanthialution Content Management System // Copyright (C) 2002 by the Xanthialution Development Team. // http://www.envolution.com/// Traduzione Italiana a cura dello staff di= Xanthialution.it // per informazioni o suggerimenti contattate TiMax ti...@xa... Xanthialution ??? LOL and correct must be // Envolution Content Management System // Copyright (C) 2002 by the Envolution Development Team. // http://www.envolution.com/// Traduzione Italiana a cura dello staff di= Envolution.it // per informazioni o suggerimenti contattate TiMax ti...@en... please make another little search and replace Thanks |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-07-30 14:47:14
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:27:09 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote: > @Luca: > I'm sorry. But nobody can know it that you have change something. And > espacially what you have changed. The only credits I can see are the= credits > of the original authors. > Ok, I haven't checked the whole scripts, but some of them. You are right Stefan, nobody can know about all credits, or otherwise is= also difficult to add all credits to all files, otherwise we have some megs of code only to add all credits. But when someone ask to correct credits and he can prove it ........ i think is right to correct this credits or not ? So Xanthia or Postnuke take eNvolution code without respect credits ? Is not a problem, for example Luca ask to corect it and they must correct it= ..... that is all. Max |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-07-30 14:42:22
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Hey Brook what is your problem with Italian community ?? On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:51:12 -0700, Brook Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 23:51, Luc...@cs... wrote: > > I do not see how your answer respond to the problem, we are not= talking of > > old code from the fork, we are talking of code written 1 month ago. > > Don't know about this were is this code in the current cvs version of= xanthia. > I'm not saying it's not there but I would like to see it. Check it and I think you can found lot of code. > > We are talking of people that speak about free software but do not > > understand it's principles. > > gpl is free to use as you see fit and redistribute. Yes but with respect, and please to undestand what i mean for respect, is no= only two litle linees of credits > > We are talking of respect a thing that many often forget and that= causes > > all the bickering that we all see in these past weeks. > > What I see is those listed above taking controle of envo once more and I= also > don't see any credit in the envo sources for the work we did for 5 - 6 > months. Hows that? what is your problem ? I check it and i found all your credits, i remember for example you have= worked in postbbcode i check it and oups i can found something like //webmedic added for bbcode controles in the news in another place /* Protects better diverse attempts of Cross-Site Scripting attacks, thanks to webmedic, Timax, larsneo. */ i check globlals credis of envolution and your name still there ..... what= is your problem ?? and anyways we can also make a mistake, you ask and if it is correct we fix= it ..... > Does the italian community just not know that we were envo. There were a= few > others but those listed above with timax doing translations were doing= the > majority of the work. We were never contacted by any one else to work on= the > cvs when we could have used it the most. We worked many times with= sleepless > night's to support the community. Just a small handfull of us. We could= have > really used the help. Where were you then? and now you want to take= credit > for it all like we never existed and did anything. another time what is your problem with italian community ? and i can remember you that, YOU leave envolution development we are always= here and we are always open, also, i talk with you lot of times and you never ask me to partecipate in envolution= cvs. Also .... we have put some news about call to developers ...... why you= don't have answered ? > I think you need to reconsider what you are saying. Yes i think you need to reconsider waht you are saying, i just check very= fast this code in Postnuke cvs and i can see Oracle Integrazion, Visual block integration, Italian comments about= nomoreblocks etc etc > > You must respect it if you want to receive the same treatment. > > This is expecially true when the "stealing" come from commercial= company > > that all too often get and easy pick from work of others and, with= the > > power of big structure make money from work of others. > > I believe that communities that believe in the free software= principle > > should be nobler to raise from one to one and personal matter when= talking > > about this sort of principles. > > The thing is simple, you take bask a piece of code I reworked,? You= write > > my name on the credits, I ask you no money, or anything else. > > I took the code let your name, didn't sell the code, let it available= to > > everybody, that's how the game is played. > > Breaking these rules has just one ending people can fed up (as= recently) > > start to work in private, letting nobody know the improvement, keeping= the > > code secret and ending up taking from you without giving back. > > Who is loosing more from this? You obviously. > > Thats all. > > Luca > > > > Now to put a rest to this show me the code. That you changed both myself= and > Larry masters Have never removed credits. It's a good bet if you don't= find > credits it's because the work is not there. When we have found any= issues we > have corrected it right away. Now having said that show me were the code= is > and we will give credit. You don't have removed credits right ...... but you don't have ADDED the= credits ... this is the problems ..... Encompass is part of envolution core and you have take only a part of= Encompass, so you must add credits for Encompass because major of Envolution credits are in globals credits, if you don't= know about credits ... you can always ask .... Or you think is better if i take a part of code you have developed, only a= little part and don't give you your credits. > I assume that will not be able to find it though as we based xanthia on= a much > older version on encompass and have added features since. We did like= some > things but recoded much of it from scratch as the code had many issues= and > did not always work as expected or we found it to be limited so we added= more > features to make an idea we saw here better. Color pallets is an example= of > this. Sorry but Envolution have color pallets i think from 6 months ....... |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-07-30 14:22:59
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Ok. I think there is a miss-understanding. Possible I can clear it a bit. @Brook: In the forum thread I was a bit angry about the posting of Infopro. I can't understand to post such a thing "without saying nothing". That sounds in my ears very practice-substantially. This is my personal feeling. The example with Encompass was also one of my opinion and I know that it was not the best, now. But it is true that we have done (not me, but sjah you can ask) a lot of new things and re-codings in the last three months. The encompass engine is not the same as the version you know 1 year ago. Ok. We should stop the discussion for this point now. It was my mistake to include it in the PN-forum. I'm sorry. We can talk about at an other place. But what Luca want to say are his modifactions in nearly every code with SQL-queries. He modified them for using with Oracle. It is possible to create tables on an existing Oracle database. It is included in the install routines. About his modifications all modules of eNvo 1.25FLS-package can run on Oracle. But what I have miss in the modified codes is any notice like "last modified" or "changed by",etc. @Luca: I'm sorry. But nobody can know it that you have change something. And espacially what you have changed. The only credits I can see are the credits of the original authors. Ok, I haven't checked the whole scripts, but some of them. @All: What we can do now? Is it possible to say: "Many thanks for Oracle implementation to ......" or something else. Maybe here we can find a solution and stop the discussion for this point, too. cu Stefan aka WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brook Humphrey" <ba...@we...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] GPL respect > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 23:51, Luc...@cs... wrote: > > I do not see how your answer respond to the problem, we are not talking of > > old code from the fork, we are talking of code written 1 month ago. > > Don't know about this were is this code in the current cvs version of xanthia. > I'm not saying it's not there but I would like to see it. > > > We are talking of people that speak about free software but do not > > understand it's principles. > > gpl is free to use as you see fit and redistribute. > > > Free software is about evolution of the code in the respect of the previous > > owners that gave you the opportunity to have something to improve. > > Yup that would be Brian Virgin, Eric Bar, Brain Lindner, Brook > Humphrey(myself), TImax And Brandon,. > > As for me I cant remember if I worked on encompass directly but I'm fairly > sure I did. I did however work directly on envrender. > > > We are talking of respect a thing that many often forget and that causes > > all the bickering that we all see in these past weeks. > > What I see is those listed above taking controle of envo once more and I also > don't see any credit in the envo sources for the work we did for 5 - 6 > months. Hows that? > > Does the italian community just not know that we were envo. There were a few > others but those listed above with timax doing translations were doing the > majority of the work. We were never contacted by any one else to work on the > cvs when we could have used it the most. We worked many times with sleepless > night's to support the community. Just a small handfull of us. We could have > really used the help. Where were you then? and now you want to take credit > for it all like we never existed and did anything. > > I think you need to reconsider what you are saying. > > > Committing to GPL is not a fashion it's a belief, it's not only a legal > > statement to put under a piece of code. > > the gpl is a promise that the source shall be free. > > > You must respect it if you want to receive the same treatment. > > This is expecially true when the "stealing" come from commercial company > > that all too often get and easy pick from work of others and, with the > > power of big structure make money from work of others. > > I believe that communities that believe in the free software principle > > should be nobler to raise from one to one and personal matter when talking > > about this sort of principles. > > The thing is simple, you take bask a piece of code I reworked,? You write > > my name on the credits, I ask you no money, or anything else. > > I took the code let your name, didn't sell the code, let it available to > > everybody, that's how the game is played. > > Breaking these rules has just one ending people can fed up (as recently) > > start to work in private, letting nobody know the improvement, keeping the > > code secret and ending up taking from you without giving back. > > Who is loosing more from this? You obviously. > > Thats all. > > Luca > > > > Now to put a rest to this show me the code. That you changed both myself and > Larry masters Have never removed credits. It's a good bet if you don't find > credits it's because the work is not there. When we have found any issues we > have corrected it right away. Now having said that show me were the code is > and we will give credit. > > I assume that will not be able to find it though as we based xanthia on a much > older version on encompass and have added features since. We did like some > things but recoded much of it from scratch as the code had many issues and > did not always work as expected or we found it to be limited so we added more > features to make an idea we saw here better. 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From: Brook H. <ba...@we...> - 2003-07-30 13:51:21
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On Tuesday 29 July 2003 23:51, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> I do not see how your answer respond to the problem, we are not talking of
> old code from the fork, we are talking of code written 1 month ago.
Don't know about this were is this code in the current cvs version of xanthia.
I'm not saying it's not there but I would like to see it.
> We are talking of people that speak about free software but do not
> understand it's principles.
gpl is free to use as you see fit and redistribute.
> Free software is about evolution of the code in the respect of the previous
> owners that gave you the opportunity to have something to improve.
Yup that would be Brian Virgin, Eric Bar, Brain Lindner, Brook
Humphrey(myself), TImax And Brandon,.
As for me I cant remember if I worked on encompass directly but I'm fairly
sure I did. I did however work directly on envrender.
> We are talking of respect a thing that many often forget and that causes
> all the bickering that we all see in these past weeks.
What I see is those listed above taking controle of envo once more and I also
don't see any credit in the envo sources for the work we did for 5 - 6
months. Hows that?
Does the italian community just not know that we were envo. There were a few
others but those listed above with timax doing translations were doing the
majority of the work. We were never contacted by any one else to work on the
cvs when we could have used it the most. We worked many times with sleepless
night's to support the community. Just a small handfull of us. We could have
really used the help. Where were you then? and now you want to take credit
for it all like we never existed and did anything.
I think you need to reconsider what you are saying.
> Committing to GPL is not a fashion it's a belief, it's not only a legal
> statement to put under a piece of code.
the gpl is a promise that the source shall be free.
> You must respect it if you want to receive the same treatment.
> This is expecially true when the "stealing" come from commercial company
> that all too often get and easy pick from work of others and, with the
> power of big structure make money from work of others.
> I believe that communities that believe in the free software principle
> should be nobler to raise from one to one and personal matter when talking
> about this sort of principles.
> The thing is simple, you take bask a piece of code I reworked,? You write
> my name on the credits, I ask you no money, or anything else.
> I took the code let your name, didn't sell the code, let it available to
> everybody, that's how the game is played.
> Breaking these rules has just one ending people can fed up (as recently)
> start to work in private, letting nobody know the improvement, keeping the
> code secret and ending up taking from you without giving back.
> Who is loosing more from this? You obviously.
> Thats all.
> Luca
>
Now to put a rest to this show me the code. That you changed both myself and
Larry masters Have never removed credits. It's a good bet if you don't find
credits it's because the work is not there. When we have found any issues we
have corrected it right away. Now having said that show me were the code is
and we will give credit.
I assume that will not be able to find it though as we based xanthia on a much
older version on encompass and have added features since. We did like some
things but recoded much of it from scratch as the code had many issues and
did not always work as expected or we found it to be limited so we added more
features to make an idea we saw here better. Color pallets is an example of
this.
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-07-30 06:49:12
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From: Brook H. <ba...@we...> - 2003-07-29 17:07:52
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On Tuesday 29 July 2003 00:16, Luc...@cs... wrote: > As you can see: > http://forums.postnuke.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=50426#5 >0426 the postnuke community have admitted to have copyed (or stolen) the > code without respecting the GPL. > What can we do? > Luca well as the original pm and lead dev for the first 6 months of envo. I was the one who took envrender (now pnrender) to postnuke and I also got xanthia set up as a core module. This was discussed with those of us who put blood sweat and tears into envo before you were ever here. We all knew what was going on and even changed the name to xanthia at Zooms request. Anybody that matters knew about this may months ago. If you guys had not sat on encompass and envrender you would be lite years ahead of pn now since you didn't well those of us who knew how good it was used it for what it was intended. You will see there will come very good things from it. -- New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler. <!--><input type --> -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, ba...@we..., ba...@li... Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- |
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-07-29 07:13:14
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From: Martin L. <ma...@ar...> - 2003-07-28 13:14:29
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I'd echo that Em ----- Original Message ----- From: "putino" <pu...@pu...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: [Envolution-devel] Re: i resign from eNvolution > I show all my support for TiMax and I hope he'll return back on your > decision... It's very important of all of us the presence and the work of > TiMax, and i appeal him to think again about this > > TiMax, we're all with you here > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-07-28 10:47:25
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On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 04:29, Arden Wiebe wrote: > Still has not propagated yet. I'm ***Unable to resolve IRC server > > You can reach it via irc.silvershadow.org until DNS propagates. > > > > Eric Barr a.k.a ApathyBoy is the new Project Manager for Envolution. > > Congratulations and welcome back. Does this affect www.envolution.com > group permissions or am I observing precautionary lockout procedures > during site transfer and propagation. That and until Eric restructures his staff and we find out who is active and who is not. > > > > He will need, and be appriciative of, your thoughts and suggestions. So > > please do not hesiatate to contact him via AIM instant messenger with > > his screenname "apathynight" or via email at apa...@ap... > > Does he have MSN? Dunno... > > > > I'm sure we will be having a meeting sometime this weekend to discuss > > matters and reorganize. > > Will the meeting occur on irc.envolution.com > > Yes....it's not scheduled yet though. > > In the meantime I need each member who wishes to particpate in > > development to email me perosnally with their SourceForge login name so > > I can add you to the developer list at SourceForge. > > Hi my Sourceforge login name is elgie and I see I'm not a promoter any > longer and that I have been made a developer. Wow and I've yet to make > a single commit yet. Same deal as above. CVS access should be closed for everyone until SF gets around to answering the support request to fix the stale locks. After we find out who is active and clean up the repositories CVS access will be restored. The label SF has is nothing but a simple label....whether or not your committed to CVS is irrelevant we are all developers in one sense of the word. I've referred crazy4bass to you for some tips on multisites since you are the multisite guru...check his post in the forums. BTW...good morning! Zoom |
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