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Re: [Envolution-devel] envrender in Envolution is being ignored

[TiMax <ma...@em...>]

That can be a nice idea, maybe i can ask to AP to re-wamp envrender=
 documentation and developement 

TiMax

On 22 Jul 2003 14:10:33 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote:
>  Hello,
>
>  Just before MADHATter7 left Envolution to persue other things he and
>  ApathyBoy wrote a rendering API to address the presentation layer. It's
>  been in the packaging for quite sometime and gone unnoticed I think.
>
>  It's includes/envRender.php
>
>  It is documented at:
>
> =
 http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=
=3D162
>
>  envRender eliminates the Zone system and provides the theme designer
>  100% control over page layout.
>
>  With envRender you are allowed to have layout organization as powerful
>  as with the old Frontpage module only in any module. It still uses
>  smarty but is not attached to it. It's an abstraction layer that any
>  template engine can use above it. And it elimenates the need for pnHTML
>  altogether.
>
>  Postnuke also has the envRender that MADHATter7 and ApathyBoy created
>  but honestly neither PN or Envo developers have attempted to use it as
>  far as I can tell.
>
>  Perhaps it's time to take the lead and see what we can do with this
>  software.
>
>  If anyone needs any help with this ApathyBoy asked me to invite anyone
>  to contact him and he will explain it in detail and help out all he can.
>  He can be reached via AIM ...his username is apathynight.
>
>  Zoom
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[Envolution-devel] What mean Rif:

[Arden W. <ar...@li...>]

What does Rif: mean?

[Envolution-devel] ENISS Standard: Download Structure

[<Chr...@t-...>]

I would like to make the suggestion, that we change our download
categories on ENISS sites. Now it looks like a developer would like to
see it, alphas, betas, certifieds tec.. A user possibly would like to
see:

eNvolution core
- actual
- fixes
- historic

Modules
- eNvo certified
- Third party
- translations
- experimentals
- fixes

Blocks
- eNvo certified
- several categories like calendar, news and file functions

Themes
- eNvo certified
- several categorie, maybe for commercial use and shoot and fire etc.

Documentation
- Admin
- User

The rest

Have a ot of fun!
Christoph

[Envolution-devel] New tables

[<Luc...@cs...>]

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[Envolution-devel] eNvo and Standards

[<s.k...@pr...>]

Hi @all
I will be back "full time" end of next week. Then I can start to talk to all
developers in details again.
First:
I have read the threads on eNvo.com-forum "eNvo&PN" and can't follow the
discussion clearly because I haven't understand it 100%.
But I see more disadvantages than advantages if we reunion the two projects.
But we can participate from each other. So we can use some code from PN,
i.e. security issues, API-functions, recoded core-modules, etc. Otherwise PN
can use our theme-engine-knowhow for their new Xanthia-engine.
For us it would be very important because we want to use several
3rd-party-modules which are coded for PN. We can only use them without
changings, if the fundament of our API and other functions is nearly the
same as PN uses.
This doesn't mean that we can't modify or change them for our needings. We
only have to be a bit carefully by doing this.

And another point is (this is for me the most important thing), that our
community  is differently structured. Our resolution is Open Source. This
means that every eNvo-member is part of the development process. Without the
feetback of every eNvo user we can't create a stable, full-featured CMS
product for the whole community.
I think we will lost this very important point if we combine both projects
again.
eNvo exists since 1 year. It was hard work to bring up the actual version
(1.2.5 FLS) to what it is now. Also the community grow and work perfectly
together.

We should not risk that !

Ok. You also talk about needed standards, rules, guidelines for developing.
I think this thema is a bit more complex to write it here on mailinglist.
You can read my points of view on envolution.com as an article tonight.
This article includes:
1. What we have to do next
2. What we have to consider with programming
3. Some rules for source codes (note: using of phpWiki for documentation)
4. Using of API (or all files in folder "includes")
5. New structured API
6. Centralize images, functions, code blocks
7. Uniform design for buttons, input forms, lists and outputs (for core and
3rd-party)
8. Code clearing to reduce multi-calls and speed up
9. How we can build teams for this new tasks, who is part of what
10. How we have to communicate

I hope we can discuss this points and can find a solution for this
organisational structure.
So we have rules, guidelines and standards and everyone knows where we want
to go and what he has to do.

Possible there are missing points. I don't want to dictate. We have to talk
about. At the end of discussion I hope everybody can except this paper for
"eNvolution Development Standards".

Stefan aka WindMeUp
[eNvo-Devel-team]
[Lead Developer]
s.k...@pr...
http://www.drachentasche.de
http://www.envolution.de

Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] Role call

[<Luc...@cs...>]

I've seen that you already put it in the italian doc of 1.25, so it nee=
d to
be translated.
For the "rules on the envolution style of programming for the developer=
"
document there is a sort of plan? can we suggest an index so to organiz=
e
the information and refer to you?
We'll need it because we have to give something to our developers that =
will
have to write the custom modules.
Luca aka csipiemonte

ps.
Grazie ci siamo, combinazione, sposati sia io che Marco nello stesso
periodo (per questo entrambi abbiamo latitato).


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Ciao Luca & Oracle people,
auguroni a chi si =E8 sposato :-))
For Oracle-documentation, contact me ca...@en... : we will put =
it
on envo.it in the Wiki: and call the comunity for translation.
ciao



=

Rif: Re: Rif: [Envolution-devel] Role call

[<Luc...@cs...>]

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Re: [Envolution-devel] Role call

[gagl <ca...@fr...>]

Ciao Luca & Oracle people,
auguroni a chi si =E8 sposato :-))
For Oracle-documentation, contact me ca...@en... : we will put =
it on envo.it in the Wiki: and call the comunity for translation.
ciao

Rif: [Envolution-devel] adodb

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Re: Rif: [Envolution-devel] Role call

[Arden W. <ar...@li...>]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 01:34, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> 
> Hi there a bit in late, but present after a little inconvenience called
> marriage ;-))).
> So Oracle people are back to work.
> Hope to have also some time to contribute to documentation to who do I have
> to refer to this?
> We set a few bugs for Oracle wgere can we upload?
> Luca

Re: [Envolution-devel] SPChat, NS-User, RTE_Multi

>Please remember that we support Oracle.
>For the Oracle installation the fields pn_user_sig and pn_bio are
>defined as
>VARCHAR2(255).
>Oracle doesn't know anything of "tinytext" or "longtext".
>The problem is, that the maximum length under Oracle is 255.
>Other solution is, to change the field definition to "text" so we can
>define
>it for Oracle as CLOB.

Now I find that I don't effect the 255 max length of the textarea
cols=50 rows = 5 initially on sign up.  Can I give a textarea a
different value or am I looking at a limitation in this assignment
somehow $var[user_sig].  As it is resumes are getting truncated and
perhaps some users don't care to re-edit their resumes and cover
letters. 

Rif: [Envolution-devel] Role call

[<Luc...@cs...>]

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[Envolution-devel] envrender in Envolution is being ignored

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

Hello,

Just before MADHATter7 left Envolution to persue other things he and
ApathyBoy wrote a rendering API to address the presentation layer. It's
been in the packaging for quite sometime and gone unnoticed I think.

It's includes/envRender.php

It is documented at:

http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=162

envRender eliminates the Zone system and provides the theme designer
100% control over page layout.

With envRender you are allowed to have layout organization as powerful
as with the old Frontpage module only in any module. It still uses
smarty but is not attached to it. It's an abstraction layer that any
template engine can use above it. And it elimenates the need for pnHTML
altogether.

Postnuke also has the envRender that MADHATter7 and ApathyBoy created
but honestly neither PN or Envo developers have attempted to use it as
far as I can tell.

Perhaps it's time to take the lead and see what we can do with this
software.

If anyone needs any help with this ApathyBoy asked me to invite anyone
to contact him and he will explain it in detail and help out all he can.
He can be reached via AIM ...his username is apathynight.

Zoom

Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] Standards

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 12:48, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> I agree, and ask again are there answers to the questions?
> Can we publish, even an incomplete document on how to write in the
> envolution way?
> So that people will write code that is DB portable, uses the same API
> because we told him the good reason to do that way etc.
> We wrote a doc for Oracle compatibility that is in italian, if someone have
> the time to translate in english and insert it in a chapter of this
> document it coulb be a start, we could use the API reference guide as the
> beginning and adding to it the coding rules.
> Luca
> 

Hi Luca,

It may not be fair but most English speakers dont speak Italian, but
many Italians on this list speak English....so in that repsect you
Italian guys and Gals have an advantage over people like me who only
speak English and Redneck;)

If someone can translate his docs into English I can go over it and
correct the grammer for English.

Perhaps the doc managwr should coordinate this.

Keep coming up with ideas like that for a programming guide Luca cause I
agree we need one.

Zoom

Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] Standards

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Re: [Envolution-devel] Standards

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 11:08, romeo bandinelli .:Envolution.info:. wrote:
> Please have a look also at the discussion about the recall to pontuke.. 
> maybe it would be useful to wait until the situation will be clear, in 
> order to take a good decision in stadards...
> 
> Romeo Bandinelli
> 
> 

Actually to be clear the articles and posts concerning this Romeo are
just that...discussions.

There are no current talks between PostNuke and Envolution so
development should not stop because we chose to bring the issue in the
public eye and discuss it.

Envolution has tried twice in recent months to at leats get Postnuke to
the table to discuss the possibilities. Both times Postnuke refused to
do so......so PLEASE ....keep development moving. Sitting on the fench
waiting for something which may never happen is not productive for
anyone.

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Re: [Envolution-devel] Standards

[romeo b. .:Envolution.info:. <ci...@en...>]

Please have a look also at the discussion about the recall to pontuke..=20
maybe it would be useful to wait until the situation will be clear, in=20
order to take a good decision in stadards...

Romeo Bandinelli


At 15.50 22/07/03 +0200, you wrote:

>We are studying how to develop a new module for our project, and are trying
>to understand how to code it correctly.
>Looking to various modules for inspiration carried a few questions since
>many developers used different methods and API calls for same things.
>Whether this depends on the evolution of the code (from php-nuke to envo)
>or the skill or style of the programmer, we have difficulty in determining
>the correct way of doing and why.
>
>These are the first doubts we have:
>1) When I want set the $MODULE_URL constant, is much convenient use the API
>function or use static code as seen in various modules?
>2) In the permission's instance, what is the difference between :: and .* ?
>Are they synonyms? Where can we find some mode on developing the permission
>part of a module and what is the meaning of the first parameter passed to
>the function pnSecAuthAction?   It's always set at 0 is it useful in the
>multisite option?
>3) In a modules, if we choose to separate the business logic in different
>files (index.php + indexfunctions.php for example), is it advisable to put
>the security check (if (pnSecAuthAction...)) in all the files or only in
>the index.php?
>6) When I want load the module's name in the constant $MODULE_NAME is
>better use: $globals['name'],
>    $globals['ModName'] or basename(dirname(__FILE__)) ?
>
>
>There are many others things like these. Can we speak about it?
>
>Luca and Marco
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Re: [Envolution-devel] Standards

[Arden W. <ar...@li...>]

On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 07:50, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> 
> We are studying how to develop a new module for our project, and are trying
> to understand how to code it correctly.
> Looking to various modules for inspiration carried a few questions since
> many developers used different methods and API calls for same things.
> Whether this depends on the evolution of the code (from php-nuke to envo)
> or the skill or style of the programmer, we have difficulty in determining
> the correct way of doing and why.
> 
> These are the first doubts we have:
> 1) When I want set the $MODULE_URL constant, is much convenient use the API
> function or use static code as seen in various modules?

The daily_archive module is done this way with pnGetModURL.  This
function is slow sometimes in updating from one site to the next.  See
www.sudbury.linuxguru.ca and test how the function behaves by then
visiting www.sherbrooke.linuxguru.ca and watching how the function
reports the URL.  It does not adjust to a new site name.  I have had to
alter some of the code to directly place people at the index.

> 2) In the permission's instance, what is the difference between :: and .* ?
> Are they synonyms? Where can we find some mode on developing the permission
> part of a module and what is the meaning of the first parameter passed to
> the function pnSecAuthAction?   It's always set at 0 is it useful in the
> multisite option?
> 3) In a modules, if we choose to separate the business logic in different
> files (index.php + indexfunctions.php for example), is it advisable to put
> the security check (if (pnSecAuthAction...)) in all the files or only in
> the index.php?
> 6) When I want load the module's name in the constant $MODULE_NAME is
> better use: $globals['name'],
>    $globals['ModName'] or basename(dirname(__FILE__)) ?
> 
> 
> There are many others things like these. Can we speak about it?
> 
> Luca and Marco

[Envolution-devel] Standards

[<Luc...@cs...>]

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Re: [Envolution-devel] ENISS Requirements

[<Chr...@t-...>]

Am Sam, 2003-07-19 um 14.41 schrieb Christoph Schwaeppe:
> In "Envolution Network of International Support Sites" is a passus,
> which follows:
> 
> 4.) Envolution original documention and files in English language
> (Envolution.com mirror).
> 
> Is there any mirror technic avaiable?
> 
> Greets
> gatoNero
I nice ENISS logo would be nice! ;)
gatoNero
-- 
Christoph Schwaeppe
mailto:chr...@t-...

[Envolution-devel] ENISS Requirements

[<Chr...@t-...>]

In "Envolution Network of International Support Sites" is a passus,
which follows:

4.) Envolution original documention and files in English language
(Envolution.com mirror).

Is there any mirror technic avaiable?

Greets
gatoNero

-- 
Christoph Schwaeppe
mailto:chr...@t-...

Re: [Envolution-devel] comment please

[Arden W. <ar...@li...>]

interesting topic for sure

On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 23:18, TiMax - Envolution wrote:
> 
> comment please 
> 
> http://www.envolution.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=320
> 
> TiMax
> 
> 
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[Envolution-devel] comment please

[TiMax - E. <web...@en...>]

comment please 

http://www.envolution.com/index.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D32=
0

TiMax

Re: [Envolution-devel] SPChat, NS-User, RTE_Multi

[<s.k...@pr...>]

@Arden:
Please remember that we support Oracle.
For the Oracle installation the fields pn_user_sig and pn_bio are defined as
VARCHAR2(255).
Oracle doesn't know anything of "tinytext" or "longtext".
The problem is, that the maximum length under Oracle is 255.
Other solution is, to change the field definition to "text" so we can define
it for Oracle as CLOB.

But your mods in Users looks very nice. Your idea to use user_sig and bio
for detailed personal infos like an application writing down and personal
record is new. Nobody ask for such a feature.
Nevertheless, it would be a good thing and gives a new meaning to the
fields.

WindMeUp
[eNvo-Dev team]
[Lead Developer]


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arden Wiebe" <ar...@li...>
To: "eNvolution" <env...@li...>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] SPChat, NS-User, RTE_Multi


> > I changed the table structure in the envo_user table for pn_user_sig and
> > pn_bio both to longtext from their original to handle the extra bulk.
> > Does anyone see anything wrong with the data types for those two fields
> > that I have altered?
>
> When someone has a minute can I get some feedback on my choice of data
> type for these fields.  I'm wondering why original development had the
> fields pegged at 255 varchar for the user_sig and tinytext for the bio.
>
> Also if you expand all the fields in the Members_List module fileds like
> bio and user_sig are not set for display.  I ran into this trying to
> implement more search functionality for my members.
>
> To see what the SPChat, RTE_Multi does for a user profile check this
> link out:
>
> http://www.workwanted.ca/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=Admin
>

Re: [Envolution-devel] SPChat, NS-User, RTE_Multi

[Arden W. <ar...@li...>]

> I changed the table structure in the envo_user table for pn_user_sig and
> pn_bio both to longtext from their original to handle the extra bulk. 
> Does anyone see anything wrong with the data types for those two fields
> that I have altered? 

When someone has a minute can I get some feedback on my choice of data
type for these fields.  I'm wondering why original development had the
fields pegged at 255 varchar for the user_sig and tinytext for the bio.

Also if you expand all the fields in the Members_List module fileds like
bio and user_sig are not set for display.  I ran into this trying to
implement more search functionality for my members.

To see what the SPChat, RTE_Multi does for a user profile check this
link out:

http://www.workwanted.ca/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=Admin


On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 13:40, Arden Wiebe wrote:
> I have a working modification with the SPChat module altering with the
> RTE_Multi the Signature and Bio areas of the user table.  
> 
> I believe with some hacking that
> /NS-Your_Account/user/modules/changeinfo.php could be replaced by the
> /SPChat/profile.php form. 
> 
> Right now I have changed the
> /NS-Your_Account/user/links/links.changeinfo.php to lauch the chat
> whereupon users can choose to edit their Resume and Cover Letter
> (Signature and Bio) from that interface with RTE_Multi Enabled.
> 
> I changed the table structure in the envo_user table for pn_user_sig and
> pn_bio both to longtext from their original to handle the extra bulk. 
> Does anyone see anything wrong with the data types for those two fields
> that I have altered?  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Envolution-devel] [Re: Hosting questions]

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 14:52, Sascha Endlicher wrote:
> I have nothing to add to my former statements to you and I will not
> engage in one of your flame wars.

Probably because there is nothing you can add! It's only a flame war if
you want it to be, but since I disagreed with your double talk and since
we are not friends it must be a flame war right? Good grief!

> Someone deleted my posting to the Envolution site in response to your
> accusations. This is not the level of human interaction I want to get
> involved with.
> 

I see a post from you in the forums so I don't have a clue what your
bitching about now.

> If any normal Envolution guys want to talk, I am open to suggestions /
> ideas, and yes, I am even interested in benchmarking tests to compare
> several CMS systems, etc.
> 

Now who is flaming?

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