cscmail-users

[CSCMail-Users] Re: Sent Items

[John K. <ma...@mi...>]

>  Today's Topics:
>  
>    2. Re: Sent Items (Steven Kordik)

>  I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about... Can you be more
>  clear as to exactly what you are doing, what behavior you see, and what
>  behavior you expected?

I'm sorry for the confusion I caused, I'll try and explain it better this time.

[snip]
>  Use the To: field for what?	Folders don't "use" fields... They simply
>  display them... The Sent Items and Outbox folders display the To: field
>  instead of the From: field, since for all intents and purposes, all mail
>  in these folders should be "From:" the same person (different accounts,
>  sure, but still...) So I think it is much more useful to see who the
>  message was "To:"

I realise that I should not be exporting/importing that often, and normally 
I do not. The main reason for this import was due to the change of my 
database. 

When I import mail after exporting it to a file, all the email are placed into 
my  inbox which is as I expected. However, when I move mail which has
been sent in the past into the Sent Items folder the "TO" field incorrectly 
displays "John Kennison" which is actually who the mail was sent from. 
I expected the "TO" field to display who the email was sent to.

I hope that I have made some sense this time, if I have not I'll have to
start drawing diagrams and putting them up on my web page :)

-- 
Regards,

John Kennison
Student (University of South Australia)

Re: [CSCMail-Users] Sent Items

[Steven K. <st...@vo...>]

On 01 Aug 2000 11:06:44 CAST, John Kennison said:

> Whenever I import mail from an mbox, I have noticed that when moving
>  mail into
>  the "Sent Items" folder it does not acctually use the "TO:" field of
>  the
>  message but insteads uses my name?

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about... Can you be more
clear as to exactly what you are doing, what behavior you see, and what
behavior you expected?

>  Mail sent from within the program
>  works
>  fine until I export / import it again and then the same problem
>  happens.

I am not sure why you are importing and exporting your mail so much, but
the "Sent Items" folder works just like every other folder except it
shows the To: field instead of the From: field. Same with the Outbox.

OT: Did you know you could simply move a message to the Outbox to have it
get delivered for you next mail run?  The was cscsend works, it simply
delivers any mail found in the Outbox... 

>  Would
>  it be possible to have the Sent Items folder use the "TO:" field of
>  the email
>  header in the future??

Use the To: field for what?  Folders don't "use" fields... They simply
display them... The Sent Items and Outbox folders display the To: field
instead of the From: field, since for all intents and purposes, all mail
in these folders should be "From:" the same person (different accounts,
sure, but still...) So I think it is much more useful to see who the
message was "To:"

>  Thankyou for your time,

You are welcome, sorry I am too dense to understand what it is you are
talking about...

>  P.S. I just updgraded my database to postgres and I love the speed
>  improvements!!

Yeah, for anyone not using a real DB to store the mail, switching away
from CSV to an SQL database is always an eye opener...

-CZ
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[CSCMail-Users] Sent Items

[John K. <ma...@mi...>]

Whenever I import mail from an mbox, I have noticed that when moving mail into
the "Sent Items" folder it does not acctually use the "TO:" field of the
message but insteads uses my name?  Mail sent from within the program works
fine until I export / import it again and then the same problem happens.  Would
it be possible to have the Sent Items folder use the "TO:" field of the email
header in the future??

Thankyou for your time,

-- 
Regards,

John Kennison
Student (University of South Australia)

P.S. I just updgraded my database to postgres and I love the speed
improvements!!

Re: [CSCMail-Users] Fw: Antw: Status of DTDs

[Steven K. <st...@vo...>]

On 27 Jul 2000 17:11:23 CEST, Laurent Marzullo said:

>	Here it is ..

Ok, its missing at least one line at the top of the message.  So this is
a malformed message.  I am not sure how it got that way.. hehe	Can you
tell me what version cscmail you run, also, did you download this mail
via POP3 or did you use the local mail spool import feature?

-Count Zero
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Re: [CSCMail-Users] Fw: Antw: Status of DTDs

[Laurent M. <lau...@se...>]

On 27 Jul 2000 09:23:30 EDT, Steven Kordik said:

>  
>
>  Ok, for whatever reason it was not MIME-decoded... this means that the
>  MIME module thought it was a plaintext message... Can you use
>  "File->Save" to save this message to a file and send that file to me?

	Here it is ..

Re: [CSCMail-Users] Fw: Antw: Status of DTDs

[Steven K. <st...@vo...>]

On 27 Jul 2000 14:30:41 CEST, Laurent Marzullo said:

> Hello
>  
>  For response to my last mail, here a mail I receive. It's appear as it
>  in
>  CSCMail ...

Ok, for whatever reason it was not MIME-decoded... this means that the
MIME module thought it was a plaintext message... Can you use
"File->Save" to save this message to a file and send that file to me?
(cou...@cy... and st...@vo...) .. Maybe that message has
a bogus header, or something else is wierd... do you see this behavior
with ALL MIME mail?  If so, maybe the MIME::Tools perl module is not
installed properly on your system?  We do support Quoted Printable
encoding, and that message SHOULD have shown up just fine in CSCMail...
(Again, maybe it has a bad header... send it this way and we'll find out)

-Count Zero

[CSCMail-Users] Fw: Antw: Status of DTDs

[Laurent M. <lau...@se...>]

Hello

For response to my last mail, here a mail I receive. It's appear as it in
CSCMail ...

--------<BEGIN>----------------------------------------------

This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to 
consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to 
properly handle MIME multipart messages.

--=_4C14078A.3B5A369A
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline


> >>> Vivien Malerba <ma...@li...> 26.07.2000	14.53 Uhr >>>
> Hi all!
>=20
> That would be nice, since a lot of discussion has been around the
DTDs, =
that we
> put all the DTDs (report, database and query) in the CVS, so we have
a =
basis
> for discussions (I have to admit I haven't been able to keep up to
date =
with
> the report and database ones). I know that Gerhard has the query one
=
ready.
> Could you all update/insert your DTD in the gda-common directory?
>=20
> If you don't have the writting access, send them to Rodrigo or me.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Vivien

I wouldn't call the query DTD ready. I only inserted all(??) the stuff
we =
discussed here and added some new elements for insert/update/delete =
statements.

As usual: comments and suggestion appreciated.

BTW I also made a set of test-docs, that show the mapping of the
xml-querie=
s to SQL (PostgreSQL). If there is some requirement for it, I also can
=
send them to this list.

Gerhard





--=_4C14078A.3B5A369A
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gda-xml-query.dtd"

<!--	  gda-xml-query.dtd
	  Copyright (C) 2000 Vivien Malerba
	  
	  modified July 2000 Gerhard Dieringer
-->

<!ENTITY  % trailer "union|unionall|intersect|minus|sort">
<!ENTITY  % simplevalue "const|field|func">
<!ENTITY  % boolop "and|or|not">
<!ENTITY  % arithop "eq|ne|lt|le|gt|ge">
<!ENTITY  % sqlop "null|like|between|in|exists">
<!ENTITY  % datatype "struct|array|type">

<!ELEMENT query (select|insert|update|delete|create|drop)>
<!ATTLIST query
	  id NMTOKEN #IMPLIED>

<!ELEMENT select (sources?, joins*, values?, qual?, (%trailer;)?)>

<!ELEMENT insert (target, dest?, (values|query))>

<!ELEMENT update (target, sources?, joins*, (set|setlist), qual?)>

<!ELEMENT delete (target, qual?)>


<!ELEMENT target (table|view)>

<!ELEMENT union     (query)>

<!ELEMENT unionall  (query)>

<!ELEMENT intersect (query)>

<!ELEMENT minus     (query)>

<!ELEMENT dest (field+)>

<!ELEMENT setlist (set+)>

<!ELEMENT set (field,(%simplevalue;))>

<!ELEMENT sources (table|view)*>

<!ELEMENT joins (%boolop;|%arithop;)*>
<!ATTLIST joins
	  type (inner|left|right) "inner"
	  left	IDREF #REQUIRED
	  right IDREF #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT values (%simplevalue;|query)+>

<!ELEMENT qual (%boolop;|%arithop;|%sqlop;)*>

<!ELEMENT sort (column)+>

<!ELEMENT table EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST table
	  id	  ID	   #IMPLIED
	  name	  NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED
	  temp (yes|no) "no">

<!ELEMENT view EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST view
	  id	  ID	   #IMPLIED
	  name	  NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT field EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST field
	  source IDREF	 #REQUIRED
	  name	 NMTOKEN #REQUIRED
	  alias  NMTOKEN #IMPLIED
	  group (yes|no) "no">

<!ELEMENT func (field|const|func)*>
<!ATTLIST func 
	  name	NMTOKEN #REQUIRED
	  alias NMTOKEN #IMPLIED
	  aggregate (yes|no) "no">

<!ELEMENT column EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST column num  NMTOKEN #REQUIRED
		 order (asc|desc) "asc">

<!ELEMENT const EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST const
	  value CDATA	#IMPLIED
	  alias NMTOKEN #IMPLIED
	  type	NMTOKEN #REQUIRED
	  null (yes|no) "no">

<!ELEMENT and (%boolop;|%arithop;|%sqlop;)+>

<!ELEMENT or (%boolop;|%arithop;|%sqlop;)+>

<!ELEMENT not (%boolop;|%arithop;|%sqlop;)>

<!ELEMENT eq ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;|query))>

<!ELEMENT ne ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;|query))>

<!ELEMENT lt ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;|query))>

<!ELEMENT le ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;|query))>

<!ELEMENT gt ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;|query))>

<!ELEMENT ge ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;|query))>

<!ELEMENT null (%simplevalue;)>

<!ELEMENT like ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;|query))>

<!ELEMENT between ((%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;),(%simplevalue;))>

<!ELEMENT in (field,query)>

<!ELEMENT exists (query)>


<!--
************************************************************
-->

<!ELEMENT create (tabledef|viewdef|sequence|indexdef)>

<!ELEMENT drop	 (table|view|sequence|index)>



<!--
The following elements should be moved to the database DTD
-->

<!ELEMENT tabledef (fielddef+,primary?,foreign*)?>
<!ATTLIST tabledef
	  id	  ID	   #IMPLIED
	  name	  NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED
	  temp (yes|no) "no">

<!ELEMENT viewdef (query)>
<!ATTLIST viewdef 
	  id	  ID	   #IMPLIED
	  name	  NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT fielddef (%datatype;)>
<!ATTLIST fielddef
	  id   ID      #IMPLIED
	  name NMTOKEN #REQUIRED
	  notnull (yes|no) "no">

<!ELEMENT primary EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST primary
	  key IDREFS #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT foreign EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST foreign
	  key	IDREFS	 #REQUIRED
	  table NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED
	  ref	NMTOKENS #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT struct (element+)>

<!ELEMENT element (%datatype;)>
<!ATTLIST element 
	  name NMTOKEN #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT array (%datatype;)>
<!ATTLIST array
	  size NMTOKENS #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT type EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST type 
	  name NMTOKEN	#REQUIRED
	  size NMTOKENS #IMPLIED>

<!ELEMENT sequence (property*)>
<!ATTLIST sequence
	  name	NMTOKEN #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT property EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST property
	  name	NMTOKEN #REQUIRED
	  value NMTOKEN #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT indexdef EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST indexdef
	  name	  NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED
	  table   NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED
	  columns NMTOKENS #REQUIRED
	  unique  (yes|no) "no">

<!ELEMENT index EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST index
	  name	  NMTOKEN  #REQUIRED>


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Re: [CSCMail-Users] MIME problem ? Attachment problem ?

[Count Z. <cou...@cy...>]

Laurent Marzullo was overheared mumbling something about this on 27 Jul 2000
10:29:22 CEST

>  with : 
>  -----=_NextPart_000_0003_01.....;
>  Content-Type: application/msword;
>  name="=?iso-8859-1?Q?Project_N_ALLO_Liste_des_t=E2ches.doc?=
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding= base64
>  filename="=?iso-8859-1?Q?Project_N_ALLO_Liste_des_t=E2ches.doc?=

I suspect that maybe the perl MIME modules don't correctly deal with ISO
encoded filenames ... I am not sure if the MIME spec even allows encoding in
the filename field, but I will look into supporting this...  We DO support ISO
encoding in the main headers (Subject: From: etc) 

>  And I've got also, a lot of =E2, =20, =E8 instead of current french
>  letter
>  é,è, à etc ....

Where? in the body of the e-mail?

>  There's another problem ... Now, I've got 40 folder to put my message in
>  ... but when
>  I try to do a move or a copy ... My screen is not enough height to
>  display all the 
>  folder ... Perhaps could you think of another way to move and copy mail
>  (drag&drop,
>  netscape way ... I think that's you already think of it) for your next
>  version.

In CSCMail 2.0.0 the folder lists will be nested, also, we will support
drag-n-drop message sorting...

-Count Zero
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[CSCMail-Users] MIME problem ? Attachment problem ?

[Laurent M. <lau...@se...>]

Hello, 

Until I've install CSCMail, I must say that I'm very glad of installing
it. 
I run throw some problems, but nothing very important, until now.

I've got some problem with MIME message. The most important is that
when I receive a mail with an attachement (plain/text or
application/msword
or anything else) I can't save them.
I've got the little icon on the upper right corner, but when I click on
it, there's
nothing to 'save' or to 'view'. And the MIME part appear on the message

with : 
-----=_NextPart_000_0003_01.....;
Content-Type: application/msword;
name="=?iso-8859-1?Q?Project_N_ALLO_Liste_des_t=E2ches.doc?=
Content-Transfer-Encoding= base64
filename="=?iso-8859-1?Q?Project_N_ALLO_Liste_des_t=E2ches.doc?=

<then following the microsoft word doc>
FSPOI GPOUGNPOVPOQUV PO UPREOUQVPOBSUVHDPONVUPOE
CYPVOUNOYZUPOCNXUPOPOVU OUPOUZPO?UCPOYA
CZOUNHZ
///////////////////////::

<etc, etc, etc ...>

And I've got also, a lot of =E2, =20, =E8 instead of current french
letter
é,è, à etc ....

-------------------------------------------------------------

There's another problem ... Now, I've got 40 folder to put my message in
.. but when
I try to do a move or a copy ... My screen is not enough height to
display all the 
folder ... Perhaps could you think of another way to move and copy mail
(drag&drop,
netscape way ... I think that's you already think of it) for your next
version.

That's all folks .... :-)
and thanks again

Re: [CSCMail-Users] Always Filter problem

[Laurent M. <lau...@se...>]

On 22 Jul 2000 19:48:09 CDT, Count Zero said:

> Laurent Marzullo was overheared mumbling something about this on 19
>  Jul 2000
>  09:23:03 CEST
>  
>  >  "Gen pre1_1 upgrade OK"
>  >  "Gen knl1_0 upgrade OK"
>  >  "Gen cre1_1 upgrade OK"
>  >  "Gen AR upgrade OK"
>  >  "Gen BL upgrade OK"
>  >  "Gen ZH upgrade OK"
>  >  "Gen NE upgrade OK"
>  >  
>  >  "Gen (AR|BL|ZH|NE|pre|cre|knl)"
>  
>  So, you have something else wrong.. I strongly suspect a trailing
>  space (as I
>  commented before)
>  
>  "Gen (AR|BL|ZH|NE|pre|cre|knl) " <- is what I FIRMLY believe is your
>  true
>  filter.
>  
>  Triple check this, and I think you will find I am right...

	I've triply check my filter and it's really what i've write but
.... :-)
	This is the subject of mail for cre, knl, and pre which is not
correct

	So, the correct filter is:

	"Gen[ ]*(AR|BL|ZH|NE|cre|knl|pre)"
	
	because cre, knl and pre got 2 spaces between Gen and pre, cre &
knl
	and other only got one !!! I didn't notice them with the roman
font ...

	I'm really sorry. filter is good :-) 
	Thanks very much for your time ....

Re: [CSCMail-Users] Starting Cscmail

[Steven K. <st...@vo...>]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:46:52 +0100, dan.c said:

>  im new to Cscmail, installed all okay (ver 1.61, using the perl
>  installer)
>  yet when i go to create a mail i get " error this isnt implemented
>  yet?" i 
>  gather this isnt normal

No this is not normal... can you provide us with more information..
including any error messages dumped to the console (in addition to the
one you posted above..)

-CZ
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[CSCMail-Users] CVS Commit

[Steven K. <st...@vo...>]

Files Affected: csclib.pl

Implimented better text formatting in text2html

Now we correctly preserve spaces and tabs in text messages when we
display them
as HTML.. This makes for much nicer looking mail.

-CZ
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Re: [CSCMail-Users] glibconfig.h: No such file or directory

[Steven K. <st...@vo...>]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:31:56 -0400 (EDT), Dave said:

>  and just typed 'make install'.	Perhaps that wasn't adequate. 
CSCMail

This was the correct thing to do...

>  does not send anymore.	Instead I see error messages about bcc. 
This
>  new
>  field is alluded to in changelog, but as a cvs user I have been unable
>  so
>  far to translate the changelog messages into some action I am to take,

1.7.8 is under development.  Although it runs well, it is not a released
product, and as such, does not have the best of docs, nor migration
scripts.  In fact, this is why it's not 1.8.0 yet.

The quick way to solve your problem:

CSV databases are nothing more than comma seperated text files.  In your
~/.cscmail directory you should find files called messages, filters,
boxlist, accounts, addresses and so forth...  Each of these corresponds
to a "table"  So when the changelog says you need to add the column "bcc"
to the table "messages" that means you simply edit the messages text
file, and at the end of the first line put a ", bcc"

CSCMail is designed to work with an SQL database. CSV support is provided
for those users who do not wish to install a database.	Be aware that CSV
support is SLOW.  Once you get more than 100 or so messages in your
messagestore, you will wish you had started out using a database such as
mySQL or Postgres.  INSTALL has instructions detailing the setup of
both...

>  Steve also suggested that I RTFM.  My problem is that as I look for
>  "The Documentation" I don't know when I've found it, as the concept
>  might mean
>  scattered fragments to one person (a busy developer), and a
>  comprehensive, voluminous,
>  detail-filled paper/html/pdf/etc to someone else (a confused user). 

1.7.8 doesn't have concise documentation.  It does have three files that
should tell you all you need to know.  README, INSTALL and ChangeLog

>  So far nothing
>  left on my system (by my admittedly problematic install) falls into
>  the latter
>  category.  For example:  docs/message.html (mentioned in
>  docs/index.html) is absent.
>  In docs/setup.html, the html code "<a href="sub:dbChooser">choose a
>  database</a>"

The docs/ files are custom HTML used by CSCMail's HTML based help system.
 We have extended HTML to allow for the direct execution of CSCMail
subroutines as clickable links in the help.  If you where to read the
setup.html file via the CSCMail help system, clicking that link would
launch the Database Chooser dialog box, alowing you to pick what database
you wanted CSCMail to use.

>  causes my html browsers to tell me that they are unable to find the
>  file or 
>  directory (sub:dbChooser).  Perhaps placing the docs at
>  www.cscmail.net
>  would be a good idea (sorry, if they are already there; I have not
>  found a
>  link for them). Here's what I find when I click on the help topic for
>  the
>  main window:
>  
>  
>     This is the help file for the CSCMail Main Window.
>   
>     Please write me. My name is cscmail/docs/main.html
>   
>     Thank you,
>     Your friendly un-written help topic.

Most of the online help files have not been written yet.  Again,
developmental software... About the only file that has been written is
the "setup wizard" (setup.html) and Option Dialog's help (option.html) 
The setup wizard gets launched the first time you run CSCMail if it
cannot find an existing database.

>						
>  I don't like writing user documentation either, but if I'm asked to
>  RTFM, I would
>  like there to be an FM.
>  
>  Should I re-install from scratch?

Well, if you don't have any mail to salvage, then deleting your
~/.cscmail and ~/.cscmailrc files is the easiest way to setup 1.7.8, as
it will then run through the setup wizard and configure the tables for
you.  If you do have mail to salvage, then you should manually alter the
tables as specified in the ChangeLog.
  
>  Will gpg/pgp be supported soon?

gpg is supported to encrypt and sign outgoing mail.  For decoding of
encrypted messages, you must use the "File->Save" method to save them as
a text file suitable for passing into gpg via the command line.  GPG
support is still under development.

>  Thanks again,
>  Dave

No problem, sorry for the tone of my previous message, the "spell check"
bug that caused your e-mail to be sprinkled quite liberally with "horse
shit" kinda pissed me off till I realized what was really going on...

-Count Zero
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Re: [CSCMail-Users] glibconfig.h: No such file or directory

[Dave <ro...@ix...>]

Thanks for the help so far, but a couple of items:

<st...@vo...> strongly advised me to upgrade from 1.6.1 to 1.7.8.
CSCMailInstaller.pl in that package tried to install 1.6 so I cancelled it
and just typed 'make install'.  Perhaps that wasn't adequate.  CSCMail
does not send anymore.  Instead I see error messages about bcc.  This new
field is alluded to in changelog, but as a cvs user I have been unable so
far to translate the changelog messages into some action I am to take, nor
does there seem to be a mention of this field in the migration scrips.                

Steve also suggested that I RTFM.  My problem is that as I look for
"The Documentation" I don't know when I've found it, as the concept might mean
scattered fragments to one person (a busy developer), and a comprehensive, voluminous,
detail-filled paper/html/pdf/etc to someone else (a confused user).  So far nothing
left on my system (by my admittedly problematic install) falls into the latter
category.  For example:  docs/message.html (mentioned in docs/index.html) is absent.
In docs/setup.html, the html code "<a href="sub:dbChooser">choose a database</a>"
causes my html browsers to tell me that they are unable to find the file or 
directory (sub:dbChooser).  Perhaps placing the docs at www.cscmail.net
would be a good idea (sorry, if they are already there; I have not found a
link for them). Here's what I find when I click on the help topic for the
main window:


   This is the help file for the CSCMail Main Window.
 
   Please write me. My name is cscmail/docs/main.html
 
   Thank you,
   Your friendly un-written help topic.


                                                
I don't like writing user documentation either, but if I'm asked to RTFM, I would
like there to be an FM.

Should I re-install from scratch?

Will gpg/pgp be supported soon?

Thanks again,
Dave

Re: [CSCMail-Users] glibconfig.h: No such file or directory

[Dave T. <dav...@ix...>]

 Steve,

Thank you for the reply.  I will immediately attempt to upgade to 1.7.8.

P.S.  I was disturbed to discover the substitutions in my message, and
relieved that, (1) someone was so astute as to recognize that they were
not intentional, and (2) that I was not totaly incompetent with the spell
checker.  The intent of the message was to discover if I could relieve my
disk of MySQL.

Regards,
Dave

Re: [CSCMail-Users] glibconfig.h: No such file or directory

[Steven K. <st...@vo...>]

On 23 Jul 2000 19:27:40 EDT, Dave Tucker said:

> cscmailers:
>  
>  Thanks for the tip Count.  In fact I had removed as much of the gnome
>  stuff as I thought prudent as my redhat distribution also included
>  kde,
>  and two memory/disk hogs was two more than I needed (or so I thought
>  at
>  the time).

Gtk is not GNOME.  GNOME depends on Gtk, but so does "The Gimp" and many
many other applications.  GNOME is on top of Gtk (it is another layer) 
CSCMail does NOT depend on GNOME.  It DOES depend on Gtk.
  
>  But I have a new question.  After spending more of my life than I care
>  to
>  anymore dowloading and installing skillions or perl packages, I was
>  informed by the last one that it could not find horse shit.h.

We don't require "horse shit.h"  Now, whatever it is that it REALLY
needed, if you don't bother to post legitimate error messages, I can't be
bothered to help you.

>  So, I also installed over 5mb of MySQL.  Do I need all that horse shit
>  or
>  can I get rid of some of it?  When I finally got horse shit started it
>  refused to accept mysql as an answer to which DB I wanted to use,
>  anyway.
>   Something about root not being a database or something (whatever).

We don't require the use of a database.  MySQL and Postgres (among
others) are supported, but not required.  Again, your attitude is
bothersome, but dispite your attempts to color the issue by substituting
"horse shit" for valid pieces of the error message, I can still discern
what the problem is.

You have to create an empty MySQL database with the same NAME as the user
you wish to run CSCMail as.  BTW: did you bother to read the CSCMail
documentation?	All of this is clearly spelled out in our docs.

>  On an unrelated subject (and since I cannot find documentation except
>  some DB which seems to have been aborted, midterm), can DB not read
>  gig's
>  key files or get keys from a key server - must I enter every key
>  manually
>  into the address book (why are they there anyway)?

gig?  DB?  Are you referring to GPG and CSCMail?  If so, no at this time,
CSCMail cannot get keys from the key server.  You do need to enter each
key in manually for users whom you wish to send encrypted mail to.  This
is being worked on, but at this point GPG support can be considered BETA.
 Why are the keys in the address book? where else would you put them?

>  Thanks in advance,
>  Dave

Upon re-reading your message, I find it very hard to believe that all of
the word substitutions are intentional.  I also checked the header and
noted that you are running 1.6.1 ... There was a spellcheck bug in 1.6.1
that caused multiple wierd substitutions such as is apparent in your
e-mail.  I strongly advise that you upgrade to 1.7.8 or at the least do
not use the spellcheck feature in 1.6.1... 

-Steve
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[CSCMail-Users] Starting Cscmail

[dan.c <da...@li...>]

Hi

im new to Cscmail, installed all okay (ver 1.61, using the perl installer)
yet when i go to create a mail i get " error this isnt implemented yet?" i 
gather this isnt normal

cheers

dan

Re: [CSCMail-Users] glibconfig.h: No such file or directory

[Dave T. <d3...@ix...>]

cscmailers:

Thanks for the tip Count.  In fact I had removed as much of the gnome
stuff as I thought prudent as my redhat distribution also included kde,
and two memory/disk hogs was two more than I needed (or so I thought at
the time).

But I have a new question.  After spending more of my life than I care to
anymore dowloading and installing skillions or perl packages, I was
informed by the last one that it could not find horse shit.h.

So, I also installed over 5mb of MySQL.  Do I need all that horse shit or
can I get rid of some of it?  When I finally got horse shit started it
refused to accept mysql as an answer to which DB I wanted to use, anyway.
 Something about root not being a database or something (whatever).

On an unrelated subject (and since I cannot find documentation except
some DB which seems to have been aborted, midterm), can DB not read gig's
key files or get keys from a key server - must I enter every key manually
into the address book (why are they there anyway)?

Thanks in advance,
Dave

Re: [CSCMail-Users] Always Filter problem

[Count Z. <cou...@cy...>]

Laurent Marzullo was overheared mumbling something about this on 19 Jul 2000
09:23:03 CEST

>  "Gen pre1_1 upgrade OK"
>  "Gen knl1_0 upgrade OK"
>  "Gen cre1_1 upgrade OK"
>  "Gen AR upgrade OK"
>  "Gen BL upgrade OK"
>  "Gen ZH upgrade OK"
>  "Gen NE upgrade OK"
>  
>  "Gen (AR|BL|ZH|NE|pre|cre|knl)"

This works just fine as the following test shows:

#!/usr/bin/perl

@test = ("Gen pre1_1 upgrade OK", "Gen knl1_0 upgrade OK", "Gen cre1_1 upgrade
OK", "Gen AR upgrade OK", "Gen BL upgrade OK", "Gen ZH upgrade OK", "Gen NE
upgrade OK");
foreach (@test) {
	/Gen (AR|BL|ZH|NE|pre|cre|knl)/ and print ("$_ matched\n");
}

So, you have something else wrong.. I strongly suspect a trailing space (as I
commented before)

"Gen (AR|BL|ZH|NE|pre|cre|knl) " <- is what I FIRMLY believe is your true
filter.

Triple check this, and I think you will find I am right...

-Count Zero
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Re: [CSCMail-Users] glibconfig.h: No such file or directory

[Count Z. <cou...@cy...>]

Dave was overheared mumbling something about this on Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:26:14
-0400 (EDT)

<- huge dump of debugging stuff snipped ->

Read what you sent to the list... it tells you the problem... you don't have
the headers installed. (glibconfig.h)  So, you need to install the Gtk/Glib
headers.. If you use RedHat, it is the -devel packages....
(gtk+-1.2.7-devel.i86.rpm or something like that)

So in short, yes, there is a remedy, and no matter what new mail clients come
around, you will be hard pressed to compile programs that use Gtk without the
Gtk headers. (or programs that use GtkXmHTML without the GtkXmHTML headers,
etc...)

-Count Zero
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Re: [CSCMail-Users] Message Editor and wordwrapping

[Count Z. <cou...@cy...>]

Tim Jackson was overheared mumbling something about this on 22 Jul 2000
22:49:39 BST

<- long word wrap rant snipped ->

The woes in the word wrapping have long been a known issue.  As you note, some
of them are due to flaws in the GtkText widget that we use for editing mail,
and others are due to programming flaws.

First point:

With the GtkText widget, one cannot force a hard wrap at column X.

Thus, we have to do all word wrapping post-send.

This leads to several fairly sticky problems.  I have played with "paragraph"
wrapping, which basically strips all single carriage returns, and wraps each
paragraph.  This illiminates the wierdnes you point out, but has other issues.

One: it illiminates any hope of having a list or table, since it strips single
carriage returns, and only honors paragraph breaks.

Two: it is very hard to take quoting into account.  Despite what you say,
quotes SHOULD get re-wrapped.  If you are on any mailing lists at all, you know
that the lists will re-wrap the mail anyway, to enforce a 76 character line
limit.	(Or at the least, you will get nasty-ograms if you have longer lines) 
So what we really need is a way to detect quoted lines and remove all the quote
characters, then re-wrap the quoted paragraph, and re-insert the quoted
characters.  This gets even more combersome when you factor in nested quotes. 
Feel free to submit a patch that deals with this...

The third issue lies in the "save as draft" functions...  These are a bit of a
hack, (to be honest) and text tends to get mangled by them (as you noticed)

This is because we wrap everything once when you save it as a draft, and then,
when you edit it, you now have hard returns in your paragraphs.  When you go to
add words etc, it gets re-wrapped when you send it...

I would love to solve all of these issues.  They have been brought up in the
past (by one Lane Lester...) but no one was able to help me come up with a good
solution...

Please feel free to debate all this with me on the list here, and together we
(the list members) can come up with a good solution...

I will attempt to get whatever solution we come up with in to 1.8.0 and I for
sure will impliment it in 2.0.0 ...

-Count Zero

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[CSCMail-Users] Message Editor and wordwrapping

[Tim J. <ti...@ti...>]

Hi all,

I hope this is the right place to send bugreports (CZ, you reading?).

I have a load of them but not much time to report them, but here goes with
the biggest one which is driving me absolutely up the wall.

Using CSC 1.7.8, the message editor is atrocious.  Now I'm fairly new to all
this Linux/GNOME thing. As far as I can tell it's using some kind of standard
editor.  Apart from being atrocious and buggy (I've noticed some bugs in it
appear in a totally different program), it's even worse coupled with the
wordwrapping in CSC.  I'm ending up sending mails out that look incredibly
messy and look like they were written with Microshit Outlook, which is NOT a
good impression to give to employers etc.  

This seems to be a particular problem when saving a message as a draft and
re-editing - when I open the editor again I get lines that I'd typed as a
complete paragraph looking like this:

lots of words blah blah words blah blah blah blah blah blah blah <end of line>
word
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

(i.e. CSC's wordwrapping is BROKEN)
(I don't even know if you'll be able to see the point I'm making, as CSC may
break what I just put! But the point is that mysteriously although I typed a
whole paragraph as one line without pressing enter, it splits it up into
alternate long lines and then a line wit a single word then a long line then a
line with a single word and so on....URGH :( )

[You may see a good example in this email, because I saved this as a draft and
then re-edited it and although I've tried to tidy it up a bit you will probably
see what I mean)

So I would say that an important priority is either to get or write a *GOOD*
message editor.  So here are the features I say it needs, based on many years
of using text editors both as a programmer and to write emails in.

- CSCMail should NOT alter the message wrapping in ANY way after I press
send. 
I want to see the message EXACTLY as it will go out.

- Hence, word wrapping should take place as the message is written, wrapping
with a "hard" line break after a configurable number of characters (74-80 is
taken as a good number).

- HOWEVER, if you implement a simple hard wordwrap after 'x' chars, that
becomes a problem if you then go back and edit that paragraph, because then
all the wordwrapping goes messed up and you have to delete all the hard line
breaks
and put them back in the right places manually.  So, a *smart* wordwrap is
essential.  In this, it reformats the current paragraph if you start editing
it
again.	So for example if you go back and insert words in the middle of a
large
paragraph, it will dynamically adjust the lines as you type so that all lines
wrap as close to x characters as they can, but still keeping hard line breaks
(i.e. the message goes out exactly as you see it). If anyone is unclear what
I
mean and has access to an Amiga by any chance, check out GoldEd on that. 
Well
known for being a brilliant text editor, and this is one of the features it
has. 


I wish I had the time or knowledge to be able to help by writing such an
editor, but at the current time I don't.  However, PLEASE PLEASE consider
this
as a top priority because to me all other bugs pale in significance with the
fact that if I can't send out an email that looks neat, the program is broken
:(

Oh, one other point that is important in this.	When  quoting a mail, the
wordwrap setting should be *IGNORED*. I.e. it should allow quoted lines to go
over the usual x chars length.	The reason for this is to avoid messy
Outlook-style quoting where you get:

>>> quoted line quoted line quoted line quoted line quoted line quoted
>line
>>> quoted line quoted line

which apart from looking abysmal is simply BROKEN (note the incorrect number of
quotes on the second line) .  I simply cannot cope with sending out mails that
look like that.


If anyone has any doubts about what I'm saying, I've been sending emails for
several years using these methods (on the Amiga) and it's resulted in neat,
tidy emails which look good and which I can be confident about sending, which
I
can't say about this awful system where the lines "soft wrap" at the end of
every line and the wordwrapping is done AFTER I press send (this also
precludes
drawing diagrams and so on in text in emails, unless you put hard wraps in
manually).


CSC is a great program with great potential, and I'm very grateful to CZ for
writing it as coming from the Amiga with the BEST mail program for ANY platform
(YAM), it's shocking and amazing how little decent software there is for
Linux...most mail clients are simply awful. CSC has potential, but needs this
BASIC functionality sorting out urgently...

Cheers,

Tim

[CSCMail-Users] glibconfig.h: No such file or directory

[Dave <ro...@ix...>]

I'm desperate for a decent mail client for linux, so I tried the cscmail
installer.  It resulted in what you see below.  Since new mail clients pop
(sorry) up every few days, should I wait for the next one, or is there a
remedy?

(while compiling a buch of shit)

Please specify prototyping behavior for GtkXmHTML.xs (see perlxs manual)
cc -c -Dbool=char -DHAS_BOOL -I/usr/local/include -O2 -DVERSION=\"0.7002\"
-DXS_VERSION=\"0.7002\" -fPIC -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i386-linux/CORE
-DPERL_POLLUTE -DGTK_HVER=0x010205 -I../build -Ibuild -I. -I../Gtk
xs/GtkXmHTML.c In file included from /usr/include/gdk/gdktypes.h:33,
                 from /usr/include/gdk/gdk.h:31,
                 from /usr/include/gtk/gtkinvisible.h:31,
                 from ../build/GtkDefs.h:22,
                 from GtkXmHTML.xs:6: /usr/include/glib.h:66:
glibconfig.h: No such file or directory In file included from
GtkXmHTML.xs:7: build/GtkXmHTMLDefs.h:22: gtk-xmhtml/gtk-xmhtml.h: No such
file or directory make: *** [xs/GtkXmHTML.o] Error 1 cc -c -Dbool=char
-DHAS_BOOL -I/usr/local/include -O2 -DVERSION=\"0.7002\"
-DXS_VERSION=\"0.7002\" -fPIC -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i386-linux/CORE
-DPERL_POLLUTE -DGTK_HVER=0x010205 -I../build -Ibuild -I. -I../Gtk
xs/GtkXmHTML.c In file included from /usr/include/gdk/gdktypes.h:33,
                 from /usr/include/gdk/gdk.h:31,
                 from /usr/include/gtk/gtkinvisible.h:31,
                 from ../build/GtkDefs.h:22,
                 from GtkXmHTML.xs:6: /usr/include/glib.h:66:
glibconfig.h: No such file or directory In file included from
GtkXmHTML.xs:7: build/GtkXmHTMLDefs.h:22: gtk-xmhtml/gtk-xmhtml.h: No such
file or directory make: *** [xs/GtkXmHTML.o] Error 1 Done, firing up the
GUI ... Using Freshly built Gtk to build GtkXmHTML
Can't call method "set_text" on an undefined value at CSCMailInstaller.pl
line 536.   

[CSCMail-Users] Address Groups

[John K. <ma...@mi...>]

I'm using CSCMail v1.7.8 and let me begin by saying thankyou for such a
terrific program with excellent support.

Is it possible to create something like a group, where the email is sent to
multiple people at once. I think that I used to be able to do this in Outlook,
and I'm sorry if I'm only confusing people. If this isn't a current feature,
would it be able to be added in later versions??

--
Example of above concept.....
  
  Current Situtation
     To: email1, email2, email3, etc, etc...

  Suggested Situation
     To: Group1 (which includes email1, email2, email3, etc)


-- 
Regards,

John Kennison
Student (University of South Australia)

Re: [CSCMail-Users] Always Filter problem

[Redvers D. <re...@ma...>]

> "Gen (AR|BL|ZH|NE|pre?_?|cre?_?|knl?_?)"

Its perl regex, not shell:

Use . instead of ?

Gen (AR|BL|ZH|NE|pre._.|cre._.|knl._.)