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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Antonio O. <oli...@gm...>]

>> I'd love to see it restore to smaller disks/partitions, but I understand
>> that if I really want that, I could work to make it happen and nobody
>> owes it to me.
> As for restore to smaller disks/partitions, for the time being you can
> use fsarchiver, however, since it does not support pipe, we can not use
> it for multicast clone, that's why we do not use it. However, we have
> some ideas about how to use that for single machine restoring. We will
> try to make it in the future... But it's not the near future :)
>
> Regards,
> Steven.

I am sure many others would like to see this being implemented within
clonezilla.  A friend of mine which has a computer lab at a school
which I worked before had like 15 machines down.  I told her to set up
one the way she liked and she did.  I then used Clonezilla-live to set
up the rest of the machines.  I had no problems with the machines that
had the same disk size.  However not all the machines had the same
hard drive size.  I still cloned the machine, but it took me a little
bit longer to do it.  I resized the OS to accomodate to the smaller
disk.  I ran scandisk + defragmenter, then used Gparted to resize the
partition ran chkdsk -p[very important* clonezilla won't restore if
there is a filesytem check in windows].  I tried again and it worked
:)  It can be done, but it takes a little bit longer.  It would be
awesome if clonezilla could do this by default :) , whenever there is
something out there there would hopefully be more users helping in
testing.  I do appreciate and am thankful to have clonezilla in my
arsenal of tools :)

Best Regards,

Antonio

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Anybody managed to build clonezilla from source?

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 7 December 2010 10:28, Steven Shiau <st...@nc...> wrote:
> Did you read the programs of Clonezilla?
> They are all shell scripts or perl programs, you do not need to compile
> them. The running programs are source codes. This is described here:
> http://clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge/src/

Yes, you do not need to compile them but you need to build the CD to host them.

>
> If you mean to build Clonezilla live, check this:
> http://drbl.org/faq/fine-print.php?path=./2_System/46_create_clonezilla_live_from_scratch.faq#46_create_clonezilla_live_from_scratch.faq

Yes, this is a nice guide.

It raises some questions, though.

First, why is this guide located around half of a FAQ page which
contains over 100 entries between

# Is there any way I can save image to CD-RW or DVD-RW directly ?
# Is that possible I can put clonezilla live in my harddrive which
already has an OS installed ?

and

# When I use Clonezilla server edition to do a multicast clone, the
client machines just keep waiting, any hint ?
# I'd like to translate DRBL/Clonezilla to other language, how can I help ?

Some organization of the FAQ would be helpful.

The word build which is usually associated with obtaining a useful
program image from the sources only appears in

# How to Build and Install Partclone on Fedora 11 x86_64?

The word source appears in

# Where can I find the DRBL live or Clonezilla live source codes ?

which is nowhere near the

# How to create Clonezilla live from scratch ?

Also the page is styled such that the text is very hard to read
(because the background color is set but link color is not and the
link color from my system theme is hard to read on your white
background).

Further the FAQ is not searchable by content because the answers are
only revealed once a question is clicked.
I could possibly find my answer by page search if the answers were
available because the answer provides many useful keywords although
the question does not.

Hint: many FAQ pages are organized such that they are divided into
multiple sections of related questions and they have all the questions
listed on the top with answers coming after that and there are in-page
hyperlinks form the top list to the answers.


Another question is since clonezilla live is self-hosted what purpose
is that "source" published as separate tarball?

Can clonezilla be also built from that source or is it a red herring?

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 7 December 2010 11:01, Steven Shiau <st...@nc...> wrote:
>
>
> On 2010/12/5 上午 07:09, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>>
>> On 4 December 2010 16:08, Steven Shiau<st...@nc...>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the discussions here. Clonezilla is _NOT_ perfect, that's
>>> why we keep improving that.
>>> If you think it sucks, yet it's still worthy to you, and you are capable
>>> of coding, please create patch files and we will be very happy to take
>>> that.
>>
>> I am capable of coding but one of the reason why clonezilla sucks is
>> that the "source" comes with no documentation whatsoever.
>
> Or could you please give us a good example how to have a good doc about the
> source? We will do our best to fill this.

Good source does not need much in the way of docs because it uses well
established build process.

Eg. C sources can use autotools which provide their own generic
document for building an autotools managed project.

Since Clonezilla is debian-live based it could provide a debian-live
configuration auto/ and config/ directories which then can be built by
simply unpacking the source and typing "lb build".

This however requires that all software which is not part of debian be
either distributed in the source tarball or put on a publicly
accessible properly signed apt repository. If you need help with
setting up an apt repository I can send you the script which I use to
create mine. It is a one use script and is far from perfect but should
be easily adapted for other repositories.

I can understand that software is in development and is not always in
state to be built this easily.

Still you can provide a README file which details

 - what tools are used to build the source

Eg. we build on distribution X version Y.Z using T version A.B.C and
U version D.E.F

 - what steps are required to build - this should record all the
commands you type into the terminal after you unpack the source to
obtain the built program

 - what you get - name the built files and their purpose (this is
typically only required when complex makefiles or build scripts with
multiple build results are used)

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Hi Bill,

On 2010/12/3 上午 09:32, Bill Gurley wrote:
> I want to second what Bob said....
>
> I've been using clonezilla-live for at least two years.  In my shop, we
> use it in two main ways:  We create standard builds of computer models
> that we frequently buy, and use those images to restore to newly
> purchased machines.
>
> Secondly, we do periodic backup images for various people in the department.
>
> We have an "image server" with 2TB of disk space where we store these
> images.  We create and restore the clonezilla images over the network.
> Almost all of these are Windows machines, both XP and Win7.
>
> My previous experiences cloning computers was with Powerquest Drive
> Image, which was later bought out by Symantec and pretty much killed in
> favor of Ghost.
>
> I wanted an open source solution, and found clonezilla.  I realized
> early on that it is not for someone who expects a simple point-and-click
> interface.  But I read the docs and didn't have any trouble
> understanding how to use it.
>
> Clonezilla works reliably for us, and continually gets better.  I
> greatly appreciate the work of the development team.

Thanks for telling us how you use Clonezilla. We are happy to know it 
works for you.

Steven.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/02/2010 04:38 PM, Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp. wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> I tried to used clonezilla.
>>
>> I found out that it did what it says it does.  I didn't have to read a
>> doc, howto, or a manual.  My images create without issue, no matter the
>> file system or OS I'm cloning.  I've never had a restore fail.
>>
>> I'd love to see it restore to smaller disks/partitions, but I understand
>> that if I really want that, I could work to make it happen and nobody
>> owes it to me.
>>
>> etc cetera ad infinitum...
>>
>> Thanks Team Clonezilla...
>>
>> - Bob Coffman
>>
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

On 2010/12/5 上午 07:09, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> On 4 December 2010 16:08, Steven Shiau<st...@nc...>  wrote:
>> Thanks for all the discussions here. Clonezilla is _NOT_ perfect, that's
>> why we keep improving that.
>> If you think it sucks, yet it's still worthy to you, and you are capable
>> of coding, please create patch files and we will be very happy to take that.
>
> I am capable of coding but one of the reason why clonezilla sucks is
> that the "source" comes with no documentation whatsoever.
Or could you please give us a good example how to have a good doc about 
the source? We will do our best to fill this.
>
> I think that implementing the features I want would be simple in a
> live CD that has some source docs so that one knows where to look for
> files to patch but without the docs clonezilla is worthless for me.
>
> I can just as well start from scratch.
Sure. Happy hacking!

Steven.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michal

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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Hi Robert,

On 2010/12/3 上午 05:38, Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp. wrote:
> Hello
>
> I tried to used clonezilla.
>
> I found out that it did what it says it does.  I didn't have to read a
> doc, howto, or a manual.  My images create without issue, no matter the
> file system or OS I'm cloning.  I've never had a restore fail.
Thanks for telling us about this. It's nice to know it's straightforward 
to you.
>
> I'd love to see it restore to smaller disks/partitions, but I understand
> that if I really want that, I could work to make it happen and nobody
> owes it to me.
As for restore to smaller disks/partitions, for the time being you can 
use fsarchiver, however, since it does not support pipe, we can not use 
it for multicast clone, that's why we do not use it. However, we have 
some ideas about how to use that for single machine restoring. We will 
try to make it in the future... But it's not the near future :)

Regards,
Steven.
>
> etc cetera ad infinitum...
>
> Thanks Team Clonezilla...
>
> - Bob Coffman
>
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Anybody managed to build clonezilla from source?

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Did you read the programs of Clonezilla?
They are all shell scripts or perl programs, you do not need to compile 
them. The running programs are source codes. This is described here:
http://clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge/src/

If you mean to build Clonezilla live, check this:
http://drbl.org/faq/fine-print.php?path=./2_System/46_create_clonezilla_live_from_scratch.faq#46_create_clonezilla_live_from_scratch.faq

Steven.

On 2010/12/7 下午 05:14, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> Hello
>
> Looking at the clonezilla "source" I don't see any obvious way to build it.
>
> Has anybody outside NCHC managed to build clonezilla from that?
>
>
> GPL requires that the source includes scripts used to drive the build.
>
> If the source does not suffice for building a working copy of the work
> without inside knowledge known only to the author it probably does not
> constitute a source by GPL definition.
>
> http://gpl-violations.org/faq/sourcecode-faq.html
>
> Regards
>
> Michal
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[Clonezilla-live] Anybody managed to build clonezilla from source?

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

Hello

Looking at the clonezilla "source" I don't see any obvious way to build it.

Has anybody outside NCHC managed to build clonezilla from that?


GPL requires that the source includes scripts used to drive the build.

If the source does not suffice for building a working copy of the work
without inside knowledge known only to the author it probably does not
constitute a source by GPL definition.

http://gpl-violations.org/faq/sourcecode-faq.html

Regards

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Restoreparts from savedisk image

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Or you can manually convert the image, check this Q&A:
http://drbl.org/faq/fine-print.php?path=./2_System/102_restore_image_to_different_partition.faq#102_restore_image_to_different_partition.faq

In the future we will try to include the program which Spiros has developed.
Thanks.

Steven.

On 2010/12/3 上午 05:04, Craig Findlay wrote:
> Hi Spiros,
>
> Thanks for your advice. I will get your script, it sounds like it will
> solve the problem
>
> Kind Regards,
> Craig
>
> On 2/12/2010 5:37 PM, Spiros Georgaras wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA256
>>
>> στις 02/12/2010 01:02 πμ, O/H Craig Findlay έγραψε:
>>>    Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to restore a single partition using "restoreparts" from a
>>> clonezilla image that I created using the "savedisk" option.
>>>
>>> The disk contains several partitions, I only want to restore one of the
>>> partitions, so I thought to use the "restoreparts" option
>>> But Clonezilla does not seem to provide me with a way to do this.
>>>
>>> Example: I choose "restoreparts" option.
>>> I specify the ssh server and directory where the saved image is located
>>> Clonezilla displays the saved image directory, see screenshot below:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I do not see any way to specify which partition I want to restore.
>>> Question: How can I specify which partition I want to restore?
>>>
>>> Thanks for a great and useful software tool.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>> Hi Craig
>>
>> This is something you cannot do directly. I have created a script to do just
>> that, called imgconvert. It creates a temporary image (containing only the
>> partition you want) and you can use that image file to restore the partition
>>
>> More info: http://clonezilla-sysresccd.hellug.gr/reloc-img.html
>>
>> You can get the script by running the command:
>> svn cat
>> https://svn.hellug.gr/svn/clonezilla-sysresccd/trunk/create-clonezilla-sysresccd/files/imgconvert
>>> imgconvert
>>
>> - --
>> Regards
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>>
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Craig F. <cr...@es...>]

On 5/12/2010 10:09 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> On 4 December 2010 16:08, Steven Shiau<st...@nc...>  wrote:
>> Thanks for all the discussions here. Clonezilla is _NOT_ perfect, that's
>> why we keep improving that.
>> If you think it sucks, yet it's still worthy to you, and you are capable
>> of coding, please create patch files and we will be very happy to take that.
> I am capable of coding but one of the reason why clonezilla sucks is
> that the "source" comes with no documentation whatsoever.
>
> I think that implementing the features I want would be simple in a
> live CD that has some source docs so that one knows where to look for
> files to patch but without the docs clonezilla is worthless for me.
>
> I can just as well start from scratch.
>
Then just go away and do it. People here are very tired of your whining.

Craig

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Craig F. <cr...@es...>]

On 5/12/2010 2:08 AM, Steven Shiau wrote:
> Thanks for all the discussions here. Clonezilla is _NOT_ perfect, that's
> why we keep improving that.
> If you think it sucks, yet it's still worthy to you, and you are capable
> of coding, please create patch files and we will be very happy to take that.
> If you think it's worthless to you, please ignore it. Clonezilla is just
> one of the solutions, and you have many choices, including  a lot of
> alternative free software and proprietary software. Choose or buy the
> best one you like, or create one by yourself. You have freedom to do so.
> I believe this kind of "sucks" or "not sucks" feeling is not universal,
> some think it sucks, some feel it good. Please choose the one you like,
> ignore sucking one.
> Thanks.
>
> Steven.
>
Well said Steven :)

To those people who feel that Clonezilla is not the perfect solution 
that they want. Don't use it. No-one is forcing you to use it. Just go 
away and find your perfect solution elsewhere, don't waste the bandwidth 
here.

Craig

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 4 December 2010 16:08, Steven Shiau <st...@nc...> wrote:
> Thanks for all the discussions here. Clonezilla is _NOT_ perfect, that's
> why we keep improving that.
> If you think it sucks, yet it's still worthy to you, and you are capable
> of coding, please create patch files and we will be very happy to take that.

I am capable of coding but one of the reason why clonezilla sucks is
that the "source" comes with no documentation whatsoever.

I think that implementing the features I want would be simple in a
live CD that has some source docs so that one knows where to look for
files to patch but without the docs clonezilla is worthless for me.

I can just as well start from scratch.

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Thanks for all the discussions here. Clonezilla is _NOT_ perfect, that's 
why we keep improving that.
If you think it sucks, yet it's still worthy to you, and you are capable 
of coding, please create patch files and we will be very happy to take that.
If you think it's worthless to you, please ignore it. Clonezilla is just 
one of the solutions, and you have many choices, including  a lot of 
alternative free software and proprietary software. Choose or buy the 
best one you like, or create one by yourself. You have freedom to do so.
I believe this kind of "sucks" or "not sucks" feeling is not universal, 
some think it sucks, some feel it good. Please choose the one you like, 
ignore sucking one.
Thanks.

Steven.

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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Les M. <les...@gm...>]

On 12/3/2010 12:04 PM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>
>> It's only a win if you don't use any of the other Clonezilla/DRBL
>> features.  Normally we build machines with DRBL's PXE boot on a certain
>> subnet, but we have another NIC on the DRBL server facing our main
>> networks so we can boot a Clonezilla-live CD anywhere and save or
>> restore images from the same location using ssh or nfs for the
>> connection.  So I need something that uses the clonezilla format for
>> image storage.
>>
> I used the Live CD to try out Clonezilla because it does not require
> installing a server.
>
> If the Live CD is representative of what you can achieve with the
> server I would not have any use for it anyway.

It is handy to drop a one-off image on some network storage (ssh, nfs, 
windows share) as a backup before doing anything major to a machine even 
if you don't do any large-scale cloning and the 'alternative' 
ubuntu-based version stays fairly current with hardware drivers so it 
works on most machines.  But there might be better tools if that is your 
only need or if you need a different style of resizing.

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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 3 December 2010 18:47, Les Mikesell <les...@gm...> wrote:
> On 12/3/2010 11:34 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted an open source solution, and found clonezilla.  I realized
>>> early on that it is not for someone who expects a simple point-and-click
>>> interface.  But I read the docs and didn't have any trouble
>>> understanding how to use it.
>>
>> In my eyes Clonezilla only caters to the simplistic point-and-click users.
>
> No, it really caters to the fully-automatic users that want to repeat
> the same clone many times without any intervention.
>
>> There is no way to get control over the operations Clonezilla performs
>> with the current user interface and pointers to information on how to
>> customize the behaviour are missing.
>
> Most operations give you the command line version of what you just did
> so you don't have to repeat the selections.  But note that it is called
> clonezilla, not 'GUI tool for disk resizing'.

I did not notice the option for specifying target partition size on
the generated commandline.

I don't insist on using a GUI, I would appreciate automation.

However, clonezilla does not even perform the task for me by manually
choosing options.

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 3 December 2010 18:42, Les Mikesell <les...@gm...> wrote:
> On 12/3/2010 11:21 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>> On 3 December 2010 10:08, Gilles<cod...@fr...>  wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:55:27 +0100, Michal Suchanek
>>> <hra...@ce...>  wrote:
>>>> Thanks for making clonezilla. It tells me which 5 tools I will need if
>>>> I wanted to clone a disk using free software.
>>>
>>> Have you tried RedoBackup? It's a GUI-based live distro that includes
>>> a bunch of software to manage images, including gparted, partclone +
>>> partimage, etc.
>>>
>>> www.redobackup.org/features.php
>>>
>>
>> Did not hear about that before.
>>
>> Redo backup advertizes fewer features compared to Clonezilla, it is
>> basically the Clonezilla "Simple" mode without any of the expert
>> options.
>>
>> Given that only the simple mode is usable in Clonezilla and that Redo
>> also includes Gparted to fix up things after the basic clone and also
>> a simple interface accessible to much wider range of users it is a big
>> win overall.
>
> It's only a win if you don't use any of the other Clonezilla/DRBL
> features.  Normally we build machines with DRBL's PXE boot on a certain
> subnet, but we have another NIC on the DRBL server facing our main
> networks so we can boot a Clonezilla-live CD anywhere and save or
> restore images from the same location using ssh or nfs for the
> connection.  So I need something that uses the clonezilla format for
> image storage.
>
I used the Live CD to try out Clonezilla because it does not require
installing a server.

If the Live CD is representative of what you can achieve with the
server I would not have any use for it anyway.

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Les M. <les...@gm...>]

On 12/3/2010 11:34 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>
>> I wanted an open source solution, and found clonezilla.  I realized
>> early on that it is not for someone who expects a simple point-and-click
>> interface.  But I read the docs and didn't have any trouble
>> understanding how to use it.
>
> In my eyes Clonezilla only caters to the simplistic point-and-click users.

No, it really caters to the fully-automatic users that want to repeat 
the same clone many times without any intervention.

> There is no way to get control over the operations Clonezilla performs
> with the current user interface and pointers to information on how to
> customize the behaviour are missing.

Most operations give you the command line version of what you just did 
so you don't have to repeat the selections.  But note that it is called 
clonezilla, not 'GUI tool for disk resizing'.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    les...@gm...

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Les M. <les...@gm...>]

On 12/3/2010 11:21 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> On 3 December 2010 10:08, Gilles<cod...@fr...>  wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:55:27 +0100, Michal Suchanek
>> <hra...@ce...>  wrote:
>>> Thanks for making clonezilla. It tells me which 5 tools I will need if
>>> I wanted to clone a disk using free software.
>>
>> Have you tried RedoBackup? It's a GUI-based live distro that includes
>> a bunch of software to manage images, including gparted, partclone +
>> partimage, etc.
>>
>> www.redobackup.org/features.php
>>
>
> Did not hear about that before.
>
> Redo backup advertizes fewer features compared to Clonezilla, it is
> basically the Clonezilla "Simple" mode without any of the expert
> options.
>
> Given that only the simple mode is usable in Clonezilla and that Redo
> also includes Gparted to fix up things after the basic clone and also
> a simple interface accessible to much wider range of users it is a big
> win overall.

It's only a win if you don't use any of the other Clonezilla/DRBL 
features.  Normally we build machines with DRBL's PXE boot on a certain 
subnet, but we have another NIC on the DRBL server facing our main 
networks so we can boot a Clonezilla-live CD anywhere and save or 
restore images from the same location using ssh or nfs for the 
connection.  So I need something that uses the clonezilla format for 
image storage.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    les...@gm...

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 3 December 2010 02:32, Bill Gurley <gu...@io...> wrote:
> I want to second what Bob said....
>
> I've been using clonezilla-live for at least two years.  In my shop, we
> use it in two main ways:  We create standard builds of computer models
> that we frequently buy, and use those images to restore to newly
> purchased machines.

It's good it works for you.

It does not work for me.

>
> Secondly, we do periodic backup images for various people in the department.
>
> We have an "image server" with 2TB of disk space where we store these
> images.  We create and restore the clonezilla images over the network.
> Almost all of these are Windows machines, both XP and Win7.
>
> My previous experiences cloning computers was with Powerquest Drive
> Image, which was later bought out by Symantec and pretty much killed in
> favor of Ghost.
>
> I wanted an open source solution, and found clonezilla.  I realized
> early on that it is not for someone who expects a simple point-and-click
> interface.  But I read the docs and didn't have any trouble
> understanding how to use it.

In my eyes Clonezilla only caters to the simplistic point-and-click users.

There is no way to get control over the operations Clonezilla performs
with the current user interface and pointers to information on how to
customize the behaviour are missing.

The "source" is just a dump of random files.

I can get equally useful dump by downloading a random live CD geared
towards disk backups and picking files from it.

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 3 December 2010 10:08, Gilles <cod...@fr...> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:55:27 +0100, Michal Suchanek
> <hra...@ce...> wrote:
>>Thanks for making clonezilla. It tells me which 5 tools I will need if
>>I wanted to clone a disk using free software.
>
> Have you tried RedoBackup? It's a GUI-based live distro that includes
> a bunch of software to manage images, including gparted, partclone +
> partimage, etc.
>
> www.redobackup.org/features.php
>

Did not hear about that before.

Redo backup advertizes fewer features compared to Clonezilla, it is
basically the Clonezilla "Simple" mode without any of the expert
options.

Given that only the simple mode is usable in Clonezilla and that Redo
also includes Gparted to fix up things after the basic clone and also
a simple interface accessible to much wider range of users it is a big
win overall.

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Gilles <cod...@fr...>]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:55:27 +0100, Michal Suchanek
<hra...@ce...> wrote:
>Thanks for making clonezilla. It tells me which 5 tools I will need if
>I wanted to clone a disk using free software.

Have you tried RedoBackup? It's a GUI-based live distro that includes
a bunch of software to manage images, including gparted, partclone +
partimage, etc.

www.redobackup.org/features.php

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Bill G. <gu...@io...>]

I want to second what Bob said....

I've been using clonezilla-live for at least two years.  In my shop, we 
use it in two main ways:  We create standard builds of computer models 
that we frequently buy, and use those images to restore to newly 
purchased machines.

Secondly, we do periodic backup images for various people in the department.

We have an "image server" with 2TB of disk space where we store these 
images.  We create and restore the clonezilla images over the network. 
Almost all of these are Windows machines, both XP and Win7.

My previous experiences cloning computers was with Powerquest Drive 
Image, which was later bought out by Symantec and pretty much killed in 
favor of Ghost.

I wanted an open source solution, and found clonezilla.  I realized 
early on that it is not for someone who expects a simple point-and-click 
interface.  But I read the docs and didn't have any trouble 
understanding how to use it.

Clonezilla works reliably for us, and continually gets better.  I 
greatly appreciate the work of the development team.




On 12/02/2010 04:38 PM, Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp. wrote:
> Hello
>
> I tried to used clonezilla.
>
> I found out that it did what it says it does.  I didn't have to read a
> doc, howto, or a manual.  My images create without issue, no matter the
> file system or OS I'm cloning.  I've never had a restore fail.
>
> I'd love to see it restore to smaller disks/partitions, but I understand
> that if I really want that, I could work to make it happen and nobody
> owes it to me.
>
> etc cetera ad infinitum...
>
> Thanks Team Clonezilla...
>
> - Bob Coffman
>
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[Clonezilla-live] Why Clonezilla does not suck

[Robert K C. J. -I. F. D. Corp. <bco...@in...>]

Hello

I tried to used clonezilla.

I found out that it did what it says it does.  I didn't have to read a 
doc, howto, or a manual.  My images create without issue, no matter the 
file system or OS I'm cloning.  I've never had a restore fail.

I'd love to see it restore to smaller disks/partitions, but I understand 
that if I really want that, I could work to make it happen and nobody 
owes it to me.

etc cetera ad infinitum...

Thanks Team Clonezilla...

- Bob Coffman

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Restoreparts from savedisk image

[Craig F. <cr...@es...>]

Hi Spiros,

Thanks for your advice. I will get your script, it sounds like it will 
solve the problem

Kind Regards,
Craig

On 2/12/2010 5:37 PM, Spiros Georgaras wrote:
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> στις 02/12/2010 01:02 πμ, O/H Craig Findlay έγραψε:
>>   Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to restore a single partition using "restoreparts" from a
>> clonezilla image that I created using the "savedisk" option.
>>
>> The disk contains several partitions, I only want to restore one of the
>> partitions, so I thought to use the "restoreparts" option
>> But Clonezilla does not seem to provide me with a way to do this.
>>
>> Example: I choose "restoreparts" option.
>> I specify the ssh server and directory where the saved image is located
>> Clonezilla displays the saved image directory, see screenshot below:
>>
>>
>>
>> But I do not see any way to specify which partition I want to restore.
>> Question: How can I specify which partition I want to restore?
>>
>> Thanks for a great and useful software tool.
>>
>> Craig
>>
> Hi Craig
>
> This is something you cannot do directly. I have created a script to do just
> that, called imgconvert. It creates a temporary image (containing only the
> partition you want) and you can use that image file to restore the partition
>
> More info: http://clonezilla-sysresccd.hellug.gr/reloc-img.html
>
> You can get the script by running the command:
> svn cat
> https://svn.hellug.gr/svn/clonezilla-sysresccd/trunk/create-clonezilla-sysresccd/files/imgconvert
>> imgconvert
>
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Restoreparts from savedisk image

[Spiros G. <sn...@he...>]

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στις 02/12/2010 01:02 πμ, O/H Craig Findlay έγραψε:
>  Hi,
> 
> I am trying to restore a single partition using "restoreparts" from a
> clonezilla image that I created using the "savedisk" option.
> 
> The disk contains several partitions, I only want to restore one of the
> partitions, so I thought to use the "restoreparts" option
> But Clonezilla does not seem to provide me with a way to do this.
> 
> Example: I choose "restoreparts" option.
> I specify the ssh server and directory where the saved image is located
> Clonezilla displays the saved image directory, see screenshot below:
> 
> 
> 
> But I do not see any way to specify which partition I want to restore.
> Question: How can I specify which partition I want to restore?
> 
> Thanks for a great and useful software tool.
> 
> Craig
> 

Hi Craig

This is something you cannot do directly. I have created a script to do just
that, called imgconvert. It creates a temporary image (containing only the
partition you want) and you can use that image file to restore the partition

More info: http://clonezilla-sysresccd.hellug.gr/reloc-img.html

You can get the script by running the command:
svn cat
https://svn.hellug.gr/svn/clonezilla-sysresccd/trunk/create-clonezilla-sysresccd/files/imgconvert
> imgconvert


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