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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Les M. <les...@gm...>]

On 12/1/2010 1:41 PM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>
>> identical sizes then resize the last partition and filesystem to include the
>> extra space, or to fdisk your own followed by cloning individual partition
>
> for this gparted is suggested but it is not included on the CD? WTF?

Hmmm, there must be some tool there that handles the proportional resizing.

> This also means that you have to set up the bootloader manually, not
> only the partition table.
>
> You are getting to the point when using clonezilla at all is of
> questionable benefit.

Yes, but if a tool doesn't do what you happen to want, it doesn't mean 
the tool is inherently bad.

>>   If I were adding functionality it would be to make it able to automate the
>> partition/filesystem/grub setup to a point where a tar image would drop in
>> so it could do a bare-metal restore of a tar backup made from a live system.
>>   But, that's another thing it wasn't designed to do...
>
> Live system backups have issues. You sometimes backup temporary/run
> time files that should not be there or not backup files which are
> covered by mounts. Also tar does not have extensions for all
> filesystem features.

Yes, I didn't mean to replace the ability to image-clone, just an 
addition that with a few hints about partition sizes and filesystem 
types could reconstruct a machine from nightly backups that you make 
without shutting the system down - or in my case it would be the tar 
output from backuppc where the backup is stored more efficiently.

> Surely the authors made some notes over the years of development but
> it looks like the source is not meant to be used by people outside of
> the development team, it does not include the notes on how it is used.

I can't speak for the author, but I got the impression that 
clonezilla-live is really a side branch of what they really use which is 
the PXE-booting DRBL server that would run mostly unattended either 
booting or cloning a bunch of identical systems.

-- 
    Les Mikesell
     les...@gm...

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 1 December 2010 18:32, Les Mikesell <les...@gm...> wrote:
> On 12/1/2010 11:02 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried to use clonezilla.
>>>>
>>>> While there are some bits of good software clonezilla fails epically
>>>> at putting these pieces together so that they can be actually used.
>>>>
>>>> 1) everything is needlessly cryptic and there are virtually no docs
>>>
>>> http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/
>>>
>>> While I agree with some of your points regarding usability, you have an
>>> odd way of asking for help.
>>>
>>
>> I succeeded in making a 1:1 disk copy even without this guide. The
>> process is obvious and streamlined (although with some annoying
>> bloat).
>
>>
>>
>> The issue is I don't want a 1:1 image and not only there is no
>> documentation on doing that, AFAICT it is not reasonably possible.
>>
>> Hence I am merely reporting here that I tried to use clonezilla for
>> that, it failed for me, and I failed to find where the source has any
>> head or tail while looking if such feature could be added.
>
> Saying that a piece of software wasn't designed to do something that you
> wish it did is somewhat different from saying that the software sucks. I
> think the 3 approaches would be to use the proportional resize, clone to

When it can do proportional sizes adding the ability to specify the
sizes is an obvious feature.

I can understand that the resizing could be new and new user input
requires new UI parts but ..

> identical sizes then resize the last partition and filesystem to include the
> extra space, or to fdisk your own followed by cloning individual partition

for this gparted is suggested but it is not included on the CD? WTF?

This also means that you have to set up the bootloader manually, not
only the partition table.

You are getting to the point when using clonezilla at all is of
questionable benefit.

You can also run partclone manually.

> images into them, resizing the filesystems after the copy (and installing
> grub yourself).  I agree its not easy and when I've needed to do it I've
> cheated by using Ghost to do windows and tar to manually built filesystems
> for Linux to get an initial image sized correctly for the clonezilla master.
>  If I were adding functionality it would be to make it able to automate the
> partition/filesystem/grub setup to a point where a tar image would drop in
> so it could do a bare-metal restore of a tar backup made from a live system.
>  But, that's another thing it wasn't designed to do...

Live system backups have issues. You sometimes backup temporary/run
time files that should not be there or not backup files which are
covered by mounts. Also tar does not have extensions for all
filesystem features.

>
> Without looking at the source, I'd think there must be a point where it
> calculates the proportional-resize values that you could modify to do what
> you want.

Looking at the source it even does not have a one-line file saying how
to build the media.

Surely the authors made some notes over the years of development but
it looks like the source is not meant to be used by people outside of
the development team, it does not include the notes on how it is used.


Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Les M. <les...@gm...>]

On 12/1/2010 11:02 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I tried to use clonezilla.
>>>
>>> While there are some bits of good software clonezilla fails epically
>>> at putting these pieces together so that they can be actually used.
>>>
>>> 1) everything is needlessly cryptic and there are virtually no docs
>>
>> http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/
>>
>> While I agree with some of your points regarding usability, you have an
>> odd way of asking for help.
>>
>
> I succeeded in making a 1:1 disk copy even without this guide. The
> process is obvious and streamlined (although with some annoying
> bloat).
 >
> The issue is I don't want a 1:1 image and not only there is no
> documentation on doing that, AFAICT it is not reasonably possible.
>
> Hence I am merely reporting here that I tried to use clonezilla for
> that, it failed for me, and I failed to find where the source has any
> head or tail while looking if such feature could be added.

Saying that a piece of software wasn't designed to do something that you 
wish it did is somewhat different from saying that the software sucks. 
I think the 3 approaches would be to use the proportional resize, clone 
to identical sizes then resize the last partition and filesystem to 
include the extra space, or to fdisk your own followed by cloning 
individual partition images into them, resizing the filesystems after 
the copy (and installing grub yourself).  I agree its not easy and when 
I've needed to do it I've cheated by using Ghost to do windows and tar 
to manually built filesystems for Linux to get an initial image sized 
correctly for the clonezilla master.  If I were adding functionality it 
would be to make it able to automate the partition/filesystem/grub setup 
to a point where a tar image would drop in so it could do a bare-metal 
restore of a tar backup made from a live system.  But, that's another 
thing it wasn't designed to do...

Without looking at the source, I'd think there must be a point where it 
calculates the proportional-resize values that you could modify to do 
what you want.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    les...@gm...

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 1 December 2010 17:38, Les Mikesell <les...@gm...> wrote:
> On 12/1/2010 9:55 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> I tried to use clonezilla.
>>
>> While there are some bits of good software clonezilla fails epically
>> at putting these pieces together so that they can be actually used.
>>
>> 1) everything is needlessly cryptic and there are virtually no docs
>
> http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/
>
> While I agree with some of your points regarding usability, you have an
> odd way of asking for help.
>

I succeeded in making a 1:1 disk copy even without this guide. The
process is obvious and streamlined (although with some annoying
bloat).

The issue is I don't want a 1:1 image and not only there is no
documentation on doing that, AFAICT it is not reasonably possible.

Hence I am merely reporting here that I tried to use clonezilla for
that, it failed for me, and I failed to find where the source has any
head or tail while looking if such feature could be added.

Thanks

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

On 1 December 2010 17:10, Roger Truss <Rog...@me...> wrote:
>
> Sorry you dislike it so much.  We have been using it for a couple years now and I was able to customize the version we have so techs really only need to enter in an image name, userid and password to access the host storage server.
>
> I have tried to do the same with newer versions with little success.
>
> The version we are using is.  clonezilla-live-1.1.0-8  The only reason is because of its ability to be modified within the Microsoft environment.  It took me days to figure it out but now it works great.
>
> In fact here is the document I made so I could duplicate the process when new versions came out.  Unfortunately the newer versions were so different that the doc was useless, so I said , the version we have is just fine.

Apparently we both want a usable tool which the current clonezilla is not.

On 1 December 2010 17:18, Art Alexion <ar...@rh...> wrote:
> Hi Michal,
>
> Let me clue you in on how free, open source software works.
>
> It is put together, usually and mostly by volunteers who don't get paid for their time.  It is often produced to serve a particular need of the developer, who then graciously shares it with the public.

Indeed, and I thank the author for showing that writing such software
is possible and what tools are required. That the resulting software
is of no use to me does not change this.

> It costs you nothing.

This is a myth. It costs you learning how to use the software (which
can be comparable to rewriting  if the software in question is poorly
documented), implementing the missing features, and maintaining them
if upstream does not accept them.

>
> Most importantly, nobody forces you to use it.  If you don't like it, or it doesn't suit your needs, just don't use it.

I'm not going to, thank you very much.

>
> Constructive comments, suggestions, and source contributions are generally appreciated, ad hominum attacks are just rude.

In the name of constructive criticism and source contributions I
downloaded the source, looked at it, registered for this list and
posted about things I dislike about the software.

Could you, please, cite where I used an ad-hominum attack?

Perhaps I need to improve my understanding of English, I am not a
native speaker.

Regards

Michal

>
> --
> Art Alexion
> Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group
> Resources for Human Development
>
>
>
>>>---> -----Original Message-----
>>>---> From: Michal Suchanek [mailto:hra...@ce...]
>>>---> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:55 AM
>>>---> To: Clo...@li...
>>>---> Subject: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks
>>>--->
>>>---> Hello
>>>--->
>>>---> I tried to use clonezilla.
>>>--->
>>>---> While there are some bits of good software clonezilla fails epically at
>>>---> putting these pieces together so that they can be actually used.
>>>--->
>>>---> 1) everything is needlessly cryptic and there are virtually no docs
>>>--->
>>>--->  - the docs (only a reference card) are in *downloads* section, there is
>>>---> no docs section at all
>>>--->  - the FAQ has very little information on actually using the thing, only on
>>>---> resolving issues provided you are already using the thing
>>>--->  - the scripts that are used to run the actual imaging use some tlas for a
>>>---> dozen of options interspersed with filenames spanning half the
>>>---> terminal line
>>>--->
>>>---> 2) the user-available options are lacking
>>>--->
>>>--->  - I don't want to answer every time that it should use en_US.UTF-8
>>>---> locale, no keyboard layout, and such junk. I can understand that this is
>>>---> important for people with odd locales but make it one choice at least,
>>>---> not three
>>>--->  - gparted is not included which is according to some stfw results the
>>>---> only way to actually get the target drive partitioned sanely
>>>--->  - there is no way to specify target partition sizes (except by restoring
>>>---> partitions one by one to a pre-partitioned drive)  although the script can
>>>---> supposedly clone smaller disk to lager one resizing partitions
>>>---> proportionally so it must have partition resizing functionality included
>>>--->
>>>---> 3) the source is junk
>>>--->
>>>--->  - there is only a makefile that copies some stuff to your system as far as
>>>---> I can read makefiles but does not build anything
>>>--->  - there is no doc saying what you need to build and how to build
>>>--->  - there is no index saying which file does what in the script directory
>>>---> with tens of cryptic scripts in there
>>>--->  - there is no VCS. I can't believe the author does not use one.
>>>--->
>>>---> Thanks for making clonezilla. It tells me which 5 tools I will need if I
>>>---> wanted to clone a disk using free software.
>>>--->
>>>---> I guess I will have better luck adding them to my own d-l images than
>>>---> trying  to figure out how clonezilla is supposed to be used, though.
>>>--->
>>>---> Regards
>>>--->
>>>---> Michal
>>>--->
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Les M. <les...@gm...>]

On 12/1/2010 9:55 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> Hello
>
> I tried to use clonezilla.
>
> While there are some bits of good software clonezilla fails epically
> at putting these pieces together so that they can be actually used.
>
> 1) everything is needlessly cryptic and there are virtually no docs

http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/

While I agree with some of your points regarding usability, you have an 
odd way of asking for help.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    les...@gm...

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Art A. <ar...@RH...>]

Hi Michal,

Let me clue you in on how free, open source software works.

It is put together, usually and mostly by volunteers who don't get paid for their time.  It is often produced to serve a particular need of the developer, who then graciously shares it with the public.  It costs you nothing.

Most importantly, nobody forces you to use it.  If you don't like it, or it doesn't suit your needs, just don't use it.

Constructive comments, suggestions, and source contributions are generally appreciated, ad hominum attacks are just rude.

-- 
Art Alexion
Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group
Resources for Human Development



>>---> -----Original Message-----
>>---> From: Michal Suchanek [mailto:hra...@ce...]
>>---> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:55 AM
>>---> To: Clo...@li...
>>---> Subject: [Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks
>>---> 
>>---> Hello
>>---> 
>>---> I tried to use clonezilla.
>>---> 
>>---> While there are some bits of good software clonezilla fails epically at
>>---> putting these pieces together so that they can be actually used.
>>---> 
>>---> 1) everything is needlessly cryptic and there are virtually no docs
>>---> 
>>--->  - the docs (only a reference card) are in *downloads* section, there is
>>---> no docs section at all
>>--->  - the FAQ has very little information on actually using the thing, only on
>>---> resolving issues provided you are already using the thing
>>--->  - the scripts that are used to run the actual imaging use some tlas for a
>>---> dozen of options interspersed with filenames spanning half the
>>---> terminal line
>>---> 
>>---> 2) the user-available options are lacking
>>---> 
>>--->  - I don't want to answer every time that it should use en_US.UTF-8
>>---> locale, no keyboard layout, and such junk. I can understand that this is
>>---> important for people with odd locales but make it one choice at least,
>>---> not three
>>--->  - gparted is not included which is according to some stfw results the
>>---> only way to actually get the target drive partitioned sanely
>>--->  - there is no way to specify target partition sizes (except by restoring
>>---> partitions one by one to a pre-partitioned drive)  although the script can
>>---> supposedly clone smaller disk to lager one resizing partitions
>>---> proportionally so it must have partition resizing functionality included
>>---> 
>>---> 3) the source is junk
>>---> 
>>--->  - there is only a makefile that copies some stuff to your system as far as
>>---> I can read makefiles but does not build anything
>>--->  - there is no doc saying what you need to build and how to build
>>--->  - there is no index saying which file does what in the script directory
>>---> with tens of cryptic scripts in there
>>--->  - there is no VCS. I can't believe the author does not use one.
>>---> 
>>---> Thanks for making clonezilla. It tells me which 5 tools I will need if I
>>---> wanted to clone a disk using free software.
>>---> 
>>---> I guess I will have better luck adding them to my own d-l images than
>>---> trying  to figure out how clonezilla is supposed to be used, though.
>>---> 
>>---> Regards
>>---> 
>>---> Michal
>>---> 
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>>---> grabs.
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[Clonezilla-live] Why clonezilla sucks

[Michal S. <hra...@ce...>]

Hello

I tried to use clonezilla.

While there are some bits of good software clonezilla fails epically
at putting these pieces together so that they can be actually used.

1) everything is needlessly cryptic and there are virtually no docs

 - the docs (only a reference card) are in *downloads* section, there
is no docs section at all
 - the FAQ has very little information on actually using the thing,
only on resolving issues provided you are already using the thing
 - the scripts that are used to run the actual imaging use some tlas
for a dozen of options interspersed with filenames spanning half the
terminal line

2) the user-available options are lacking

 - I don't want to answer every time that it should use en_US.UTF-8
locale, no keyboard layout, and such junk. I can understand that this
is important for people with odd locales but make it one choice at
least, not three
 - gparted is not included which is according to some stfw results the
only way to actually get the target drive partitioned sanely
 - there is no way to specify target partition sizes (except by
restoring partitions one by one to a pre-partitioned drive)  although
the script can supposedly clone smaller disk to lager one resizing
partitions proportionally so it must have partition resizing
functionality included

3) the source is junk

 - there is only a makefile that copies some stuff to your system as
far as I can read makefiles but does not build anything
 - there is no doc saying what you need to build and how to build
 - there is no index saying which file does what in the script
directory with tens of cryptic scripts in there
 - there is no VCS. I can't believe the author does not use one.

Thanks for making clonezilla. It tells me which 5 tools I will need if
I wanted to clone a disk using free software.

I guess I will have better luck adding them to my own d-l images than
trying  to figure out how clonezilla is supposed to be used, though.

Regards

Michal

Re: [Clonezilla-live] upgrading same system to bigger drive

[baldyeti <e_...@ho...>]

Thanks for the link, Steven, much appreciated.
I haven't bought the new disk yet but will certainly
shortly now that I know what tool to use.

On 2010-11-20 05:44, Steven Shiau wrote:
> Hi,
> You can follow this:
> http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/showcontent.php?topic=03_Disk_to_disk_clone
> and if you want to clonezilla to automatically create the partition size
> proportioinally, you enter expert mode, choose "-k1".
> If you want to create the partitions on the destination disk by
> yourself, you can do that, too. Just make sure the destination partition
> size is equal or larger than the source one.
>
> Steven.
>

Re: [Clonezilla-live] upgrading same system to bigger drive

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Hi,
You can follow this:
http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/showcontent.php?topic=03_Disk_to_disk_clone
and if you want to clonezilla to automatically create the partition size 
proportioinally, you enter expert mode, choose "-k1".
If you want to create the partitions on the destination disk by 
yourself, you can do that, too. Just make sure the destination partition 
size is equal or larger than the source one.

Steven.

On 11/19/2010 10:09 AM, baldyeti wrote:
> Hello I have never used clonezilla before.
>
> My usage scenario goes as follows:
>
> I would like to upgrade my HD (from 500GB to 2 TB)
> So, I'd plug the second drive to the same physical
> system, partition it using gparted, at first with
> a one-to-one correspondence between source and
> target *but* with bigger-sized target partitions.
> The system has a few linuces and winXP. I don't
> have any other system with a big enough drive to
> store a temporary image, so the cloning/copying
> should simply take place from HD to HD.
>
> Does this sound like a supported usage?
>
> In particular, does the cloned XP have a chance of
> working (wrt access rights and NTFS attributes...)
> I should be able to restore MBR and boot loader if needed,
> as well as fix the (main) grub bootloader.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Some remarks:
>
> [1]
> The new disk would likely be a western digital green caviar,
> and these apparently use 4kb blocks. It seems I should pay
> attention to the way partitions are aligned, as per
> <http://www.linuxconfig.org/linux-wd-ears-advanced-format>
> Does anyone have experience and suggestions with this issue?
>
> [2] "fdisk -l" output:
> Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500106780160 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xc33ec33e
>
>      Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1               1       15298   122881153+   7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sda2           15299       57397   338160217+   5  Extended
> /dev/sda3           57398       59829    19535040    7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sda4   *       59830       60801     7807590   83  Linux
> /dev/sda5           15299       30596   122881153+   7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sda6           30597       45894   122881153+   7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sda7           45895       46416     4192933+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda8           46417       46699     2273166   82  Linux swap / Solaris
> /dev/sda9           46700       47743     8385898+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda10          47744       48265     4192933+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda11          48266       51318    24523191    7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sda12          51319       57397    48829536    7  HPFS/NTFS
>
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[Clonezilla-live] upgrading same system to bigger drive

[baldyeti <e_...@ho...>]

Hello I have never used clonezilla before.

My usage scenario goes as follows:

I would like to upgrade my HD (from 500GB to 2 TB)
So, I'd plug the second drive to the same physical
system, partition it using gparted, at first with
a one-to-one correspondence between source and
target *but* with bigger-sized target partitions.
The system has a few linuces and winXP. I don't
have any other system with a big enough drive to
store a temporary image, so the cloning/copying
should simply take place from HD to HD.

Does this sound like a supported usage?

In particular, does the cloned XP have a chance of
working (wrt access rights and NTFS attributes...)
I should be able to restore MBR and boot loader if needed,
as well as fix the (main) grub bootloader.

Thanks for any advice.

Some remarks:

[1]
The new disk would likely be a western digital green caviar,
and these apparently use 4kb blocks. It seems I should pay
attention to the way partitions are aligned, as per
<http://www.linuxconfig.org/linux-wd-ears-advanced-format>
Does anyone have experience and suggestions with this issue?

[2] "fdisk -l" output:
Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500106780160 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xc33ec33e

    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1       15298   122881153+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2           15299       57397   338160217+   5  Extended
/dev/sda3           57398       59829    19535040    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda4   *       59830       60801     7807590   83  Linux
/dev/sda5           15299       30596   122881153+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda6           30597       45894   122881153+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda7           45895       46416     4192933+  83  Linux
/dev/sda8           46417       46699     2273166   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda9           46700       47743     8385898+  83  Linux
/dev/sda10          47744       48265     4192933+  83  Linux
/dev/sda11          48266       51318    24523191    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda12          51319       57397    48829536    7  HPFS/NTFS

Re: [Clonezilla-live] From windows XP to Windows 7 same hardware, any caveats?

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Well, I am not a lawyer. However, what I know about this is you can 
_NOT_ clone those due to the license issue.
Anyway, maybe your license allows you to do that. Therefore, for the 
legal issue, you should contact your lawyer, or MS. You will get a 
better answer I believe.

Steven.


On 11/10/2010 03:24 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear folks,
>
>   I am a happy clonezilla user that has cloned several labs using
> clonezilla happily.  I have a friend who is a teacher that has a lab
> with 25 computers, He had only 20.  We setup one machine how we
> wanted, then we cloned the same configuration to all the machines.  He
> recently got 5 more machines(idential Dell Optiplex 780 but these new
> machines got Windows 7).  My friend wanted to know, if there are any
> gotchas, if we setup one Windows 7 machine and clone it to the rest of
> the machines.  Only 5 of the machines have the license tag(windows 7
> with product key), the others that we cloned have windows Xp but the
> license key say Windows Vista Business).  One of the persons in charge
> told me that if we cloned the machines, we were on our own in terms of
> licensing.  I told him that the machines had a sticker for Vista
> Business and they had Windows XP.  Another teacher told me that in
> case of a lawsuit, we would lose.  The machines(Dell) would work
> nicely with Windows 7, probably get Updates and would work, but if
> someone(tech) checks we could get in trouble.  What should I tell my
> friend?
>
> A part of me wants to use clonezilla and make all the machines Windows
> 7, but that advice about getting in trouble stops me from going on
> ahead with this.  I appreciate any advice/suggestions in this case.  I
> am a happy clonezilla-live user and am grateful to the developers and
> programmers.
>
> /* Clonezilla copies from smaller hard disks to larger hard disks, but
> not the other way around,
> I had to copy a larger hard driver to a smaller one, I managed to do
> it(with clonezilla), but it took me a little bit longer to do it.  In
> case any one would like to know how, I will write the steps I did.
> */
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio
>
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[Clonezilla-live] From windows XP to Windows 7 same hardware, any caveats?

[Antonio O. <oli...@gm...>]

Dear folks,

 I am a happy clonezilla user that has cloned several labs using
clonezilla happily.  I have a friend who is a teacher that has a lab
with 25 computers, He had only 20.  We setup one machine how we
wanted, then we cloned the same configuration to all the machines.  He
recently got 5 more machines(idential Dell Optiplex 780 but these new
machines got Windows 7).  My friend wanted to know, if there are any
gotchas, if we setup one Windows 7 machine and clone it to the rest of
the machines.  Only 5 of the machines have the license tag(windows 7
with product key), the others that we cloned have windows Xp but the
license key say Windows Vista Business).  One of the persons in charge
told me that if we cloned the machines, we were on our own in terms of
licensing.  I told him that the machines had a sticker for Vista
Business and they had Windows XP.  Another teacher told me that in
case of a lawsuit, we would lose.  The machines(Dell) would work
nicely with Windows 7, probably get Updates and would work, but if
someone(tech) checks we could get in trouble.  What should I tell my
friend?

A part of me wants to use clonezilla and make all the machines Windows
7, but that advice about getting in trouble stops me from going on
ahead with this.  I appreciate any advice/suggestions in this case.  I
am a happy clonezilla-live user and am grateful to the developers and
programmers.

/* Clonezilla copies from smaller hard disks to larger hard disks, but
not the other way around,
I had to copy a larger hard driver to a smaller one, I managed to do
it(with clonezilla), but it took me a little bit longer to do it.  In
case any one would like to know how, I will write the steps I did.
*/

Regards,

Antonio

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Cloning FreeBSD partitons: DMA disk error

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Try to add "noapic acpi=off" in the boot parameters, or choose "failsafe 
mode" in the boot menu:
http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/fine-print.php?path=./01_Save_disk_image/01-clonezilla-boot-menu.doc#01-clonezilla-boot-menu.doc

Or you can try the latest Clonezilla live, e.g. 1.2.6-40 or 
20101106-maverick.

Steven.

On 10/31/2010 06:00 AM, Marcin Cieslak wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I recently gave clonezilla-live-20100921-lucid.iso on my Vista/FreeBSD laptop.
> I am booting it from CD.
>
> I wanted to clone my internal 114473MB SATA drive (that has 3 bad sectors):
>
> ad4: 114473MB<FUJITSU MHW2120BH 00000012>  at ata2-master UDMA100 SATA
>
> to the external one (connected by Firewire or USB)
>
> da2: 131071MB (268435455 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 16709C)
>
> Here's the layout for the source disk as shown by FreeBSD's gpart utility:
>
>
> Script started on Sat Oct 30 23:46:11 2010
> radziecki$ gpart list ad4
> Geom name: ad4
> fwheads: 16
> fwsectors: 63
> last: 234441647
> first: 63
> entries: 4
> scheme: MBR
> Providers:
> 1. Name: ad4s1
>     Mediasize: 83575296 (80M)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r0w0e0
>     rawtype: 4
>     length: 83575296
>     offset: 32256
>     type: !4
>     index: 1
>     end: 163295
>     start: 63
> 2. Name: ad4s2
>     Mediasize: 40000028672 (37G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r0w0e0
>     rawtype: 7
>     length: 40000028672
>     offset: 10000269312
>     type: ntfs
>     index: 2
>     end: 97656831
>     start: 19531776
> 3. Name: ad4s3
>     Mediasize: 70031213056 (65G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r3w3e5
>     attrib: active
>     rawtype: 165
>     length: 70031213056
>     offset: 50000297984
>     type: freebsd
>     index: 3
>     end: 234436544
>     start: 97656832
> 4. Name: ad4s4
>     Mediasize: 9916268544 (9.2G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r1w1e2
>     rawtype: 165
>     length: 9916268544
>     offset: 83607552
>     type: freebsd
>     index: 4
>     end: 19531007
>     start: 163296
> Consumers:
> 1. Name: ad4
>     Mediasize: 120034123776 (112G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r4w4e11
>
> radziecki$ gpart list ad4s3
> Geom name: ad4s3
> fwheads: 16
> fwsectors: 63
> last: 136779712
> first: 0
> entries: 8
> scheme: BSD
> Providers:
> 1. Name: ad4s3a
>     Mediasize: 536870912 (512M)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r1w1e1
>     rawtype: 7
>     length: 536870912
>     offset: 0
>     type: freebsd-ufs
>     index: 1
>     end: 1048575
>     start: 0
> 2. Name: ad4s3b
>     Mediasize: 536870912 (512M)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r1w1e0
>     rawtype: 1
>     length: 536870912
>     offset: 536870912
>     type: freebsd-swap
>     index: 2
>     end: 2097151
>     start: 1048576
> 3. Name: ad4s3d
>     Mediasize: 68957471232 (64G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r1w1e1
>     rawtype: 7
>     length: 68957471232
>     offset: 1073741824
>     type: freebsd-ufs
>     index: 4
>     end: 136779712
>     start: 2097152
> Consumers:
> 1. Name: ad4s3
>     Mediasize: 70031213056 (65G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r3w3e5
>
> radziecki$ gpart list ad4s4
> Geom name: ad4s4
> fwheads: 16
> fwsectors: 63
> last: 19367711
> first: 0
> entries: 8
> scheme: BSD
> Providers:
> 1. Name: ad4s4b
>     Mediasize: 2621440000 (2.4G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r0w0e0
>     rawtype: 1
>     length: 2621440000
>     offset: 65536
>     type: freebsd-swap
>     index: 2
>     end: 5120127
>     start: 128
> 2. Name: ad4s4e
>     Mediasize: 7294763008 (6.8G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r1w1e1
>     rawtype: 7
>     length: 7294763008
>     offset: 2621505536
>     type: freebsd-ufs
>     index: 5
>     end: 19367711
>     start: 5120128
> Consumers:
> 1. Name: ad4s4
>     Mediasize: 9916268544 (9.2G)
>     Sectorsize: 512
>     Mode: r1w1e2
>
> So we have DOS FAT, NTFS, FreeBSD UFS and ZFS there, plus
> two swap partitions (ad4s4b and ad4s4e are not really used).
>
> My first problem during first two runs of a full
> disk-to-disk copy with clonezilla was that clone
> aborted with the message that Linux could not find /dev/sdb5
> partition (/dev/sda was the source and /dev/sdb was the target).
>
> Looks like all MBR partitions (/dev/sdb1..sdb4) got recognized
> by Linux on a target, but sdb5..sdb8 were missing, although
> I am sure I requested recreation of the partition table according
> to the source.
>
> Things got better after 2nd or 3rd attempt and I am not seeing this
> anymore (maybe I will try to reproduce this later again).
>
> But now I am facing a problem related to the disk errors:
> they are now harmless since ZFS worked them around, but they
> still cause problems with imaging software.
>
> I was using Ghost 2003 for DOS previously and it was enough
> to tell it to ignore checksums. Ghost is very slow on this
> machine (it uses INT 13h access since the USB drive is not
> recognized by DOS ASPI drivers) so it takes ages to clone
> few GBs, but it works.
>
> What I am seeing with clonezilla (no TUI/GUI mode, verbose) is this
> (taken from /var/log/messages, not from the screen where it's
> different, well):
>
> t 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292762] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled sense code
> Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292766] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
> Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292773] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
> Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292782] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
> Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292787]         72 03 13 00 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00
> Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292809]         06 66 85 c6
> Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292818] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Address mark not found for data field
> Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292828] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 06 66 85 c6 00 00 02 00
>
> I did two runs today:
>
> (1) http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs_onthefly_local.WRMtsE/
> is a partition-to-partition copy, the command is here:
>
> http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs-onthefly-2010-10-30-11-34
>
> (2) http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs_onthefly_local.xdkVmV/
> is a disk-to-disk copy, the exact command is here:
>
> http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs-onthefly-2010-10-30-12-13
>
> Unfortunately, screen output does not get logged into /tmp
> files, I attach a full /var/log/messages dump from those
> two runs (they were executed by restarting clonezilla
> and not rebooting):
>
> http://saper.info/files/ocs/messages
>
> If there is some way to have the clonezilla console
> output logged to a file, please advise (except
> from starting the whole thing from command line of course...)
>
> Those DMA/disk error seem to halt the replication process
> forever - I get them over and over (one night was not enough
> to push the process further).
>
> Is there any way to skip over bad blocks? (as you
> see, I tried the "-rescue" option).
>
> //Marcin
>
>
>
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[Clonezilla-live] Stable Clonezilla Live (1.2.6-40) Released

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Stable Clonezilla live 1.2.6-40 has been released.

This release of Clonezilla live includes major enhancements, changes and 
bug fixes.
MAJOR ENHANCEMENTS and CHANGES:

     * The shorter boot parameter "config" (was "live-config") is used 
now, because live build 2.0.1 or later uses that and live-config 
(>=2.0.7) honors both "config" and "live-config".
     * The underlying GNU/Linux operating system was upgraded. This 
release is based on the Debian Sid repository (as of 2010/Nov/06).
     * A better mechanism was implemented in ocs-live-run-menu so that 
we can put all in a line in boot parameter ocs_live_run without using 
ocs_live_extra_param.
     * Program ocs-live-restore was improved to make it allow shutdown 
the machine when using Clonezilla recovery iso/zip with "-p poweroff".
     * Linux kernel was updated to 2.6.32-27.
     * Partclone was updated to 0.2.16.
     * Syslinux/isolinux was updated to 4.03.
     * Live-boot was updated to 2.0.11-1.drbl1, and live-config was 
updated to 2.0.11-1.drbl1.

BUG FIXES

     * A bug about failing restoring swap partition on GPT disk. Thanks 
to Bill Marohn for this bug report.
     * Failed to run the command with "=" and "," in ocs_prerun. Thanks 
to Jacobo Vilella Vilahur for this bug report 
(https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=671650&aid=3081655&group_id=115473).
     * The "startpar: service(s) returned failure: x11-common ... 
failed" error was fixed.
     * DNS query was not working in initrd.


Steven.

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[Clonezilla-live] The Next Stable Clonezilla Live - 1.2.6-40

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Clonezilla live 1.2.6-40 is planned as the next stable release on Nov 9, 
2010

This release of Clonezilla live (1.2.6-40) includes major enhancements, 
changes and bug fixes.
MAJOR ENHANCEMENTS and CHANGES:

     * The shorter boot paramater "config" (was "live-config") is used 
now, because live build 2.0.1 or later uses that and live-config 
(>=2.0.7) honors both "config" and "live-config".
     * The underlying GNU/Linux operating system was upgraded. This 
release is based on the Debian Sid repository (as of 2010/Nov/06).
     * A better mechanism was implemented in ocs-live-run-menu so that 
we can put all in a line in boot parameter ocs_live_run without using 
ocs_live_extra_param.
     * Program ocs-live-restore was improved to make it allow shutdown 
the machine when using Clonezilla recovery iso/zip with "-p poweroff".
     * Linux kernel was updated to 2.6.32-27.
     * Partclone was updated to 0.2.16.
     * Syslinux/isolinux was updated to 4.03.
     * Live-boot was updated to 2.0.11-1.drbl1, and live-config was 
updated to 2.0.11-1.drbl1.

BUG FIXES

     * A bug about failing restoring swap partition on GPT disk. Thanks 
to Bill Marohn for this bug report.
     * Failed to run the command with "=" and "," in ocs_prerun. Thanks 
to Jacobo Vilella Vilahur for this bug report 
(https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=671650&aid=3081655&group_id=115473).
     * The "startpar: service(s) returned failure: x11-common ... 
failed" error was fixed.
     * DNS query was not working in initrd.


Steven.

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[Clonezilla-live] Cloning FreeBSD partitons: DMA disk error

[Marcin C. <sa...@sa...>]

Hello,

I recently gave clonezilla-live-20100921-lucid.iso on my Vista/FreeBSD laptop.
I am booting it from CD. 

I wanted to clone my internal 114473MB SATA drive (that has 3 bad sectors):

ad4: 114473MB <FUJITSU MHW2120BH 00000012> at ata2-master UDMA100 SATA

to the external one (connected by Firewire or USB)

da2: 131071MB (268435455 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 16709C)

Here's the layout for the source disk as shown by FreeBSD's gpart utility:


Script started on Sat Oct 30 23:46:11 2010
radziecki$ gpart list ad4
Geom name: ad4
fwheads: 16
fwsectors: 63
last: 234441647
first: 63
entries: 4
scheme: MBR
Providers:
1. Name: ad4s1
   Mediasize: 83575296 (80M)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r0w0e0
   rawtype: 4
   length: 83575296
   offset: 32256
   type: !4
   index: 1
   end: 163295
   start: 63
2. Name: ad4s2
   Mediasize: 40000028672 (37G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r0w0e0
   rawtype: 7
   length: 40000028672
   offset: 10000269312
   type: ntfs
   index: 2
   end: 97656831
   start: 19531776
3. Name: ad4s3
   Mediasize: 70031213056 (65G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r3w3e5
   attrib: active
   rawtype: 165
   length: 70031213056
   offset: 50000297984
   type: freebsd
   index: 3
   end: 234436544
   start: 97656832
4. Name: ad4s4
   Mediasize: 9916268544 (9.2G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e2
   rawtype: 165
   length: 9916268544
   offset: 83607552
   type: freebsd
   index: 4
   end: 19531007
   start: 163296
Consumers:
1. Name: ad4
   Mediasize: 120034123776 (112G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r4w4e11

radziecki$ gpart list ad4s3
Geom name: ad4s3
fwheads: 16
fwsectors: 63
last: 136779712
first: 0
entries: 8
scheme: BSD
Providers:
1. Name: ad4s3a
   Mediasize: 536870912 (512M)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   rawtype: 7
   length: 536870912
   offset: 0
   type: freebsd-ufs
   index: 1
   end: 1048575
   start: 0
2. Name: ad4s3b
   Mediasize: 536870912 (512M)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e0
   rawtype: 1
   length: 536870912
   offset: 536870912
   type: freebsd-swap
   index: 2
   end: 2097151
   start: 1048576
3. Name: ad4s3d
   Mediasize: 68957471232 (64G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   rawtype: 7
   length: 68957471232
   offset: 1073741824
   type: freebsd-ufs
   index: 4
   end: 136779712
   start: 2097152
Consumers:
1. Name: ad4s3
   Mediasize: 70031213056 (65G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r3w3e5

radziecki$ gpart list ad4s4
Geom name: ad4s4
fwheads: 16
fwsectors: 63
last: 19367711
first: 0
entries: 8
scheme: BSD
Providers:
1. Name: ad4s4b
   Mediasize: 2621440000 (2.4G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r0w0e0
   rawtype: 1
   length: 2621440000
   offset: 65536
   type: freebsd-swap
   index: 2
   end: 5120127
   start: 128
2. Name: ad4s4e
   Mediasize: 7294763008 (6.8G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   rawtype: 7
   length: 7294763008
   offset: 2621505536
   type: freebsd-ufs
   index: 5
   end: 19367711
   start: 5120128
Consumers:
1. Name: ad4s4
   Mediasize: 9916268544 (9.2G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e2

So we have DOS FAT, NTFS, FreeBSD UFS and ZFS there, plus
two swap partitions (ad4s4b and ad4s4e are not really used).

My first problem during first two runs of a full
disk-to-disk copy with clonezilla was that clone
aborted with the message that Linux could not find /dev/sdb5
partition (/dev/sda was the source and /dev/sdb was the target).

Looks like all MBR partitions (/dev/sdb1..sdb4) got recognized
by Linux on a target, but sdb5..sdb8 were missing, although
I am sure I requested recreation of the partition table according
to the source.

Things got better after 2nd or 3rd attempt and I am not seeing this
anymore (maybe I will try to reproduce this later again). 

But now I am facing a problem related to the disk errors:
they are now harmless since ZFS worked them around, but they
still cause problems with imaging software.

I was using Ghost 2003 for DOS previously and it was enough
to tell it to ignore checksums. Ghost is very slow on this 
machine (it uses INT 13h access since the USB drive is not 
recognized by DOS ASPI drivers) so it takes ages to clone
few GBs, but it works. 

What I am seeing with clonezilla (no TUI/GUI mode, verbose) is this
(taken from /var/log/messages, not from the screen where it's
different, well):

t 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292762] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled sense code
Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292766] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292773] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292782] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292787]         72 03 13 00 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00 
Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292809]         06 66 85 c6 
Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292818] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Address mark not found for data field
Oct 30 13:32:01 lucid kernel: [ 7333.292828] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 06 66 85 c6 00 00 02 00

I did two runs today:

(1) http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs_onthefly_local.WRMtsE/ 
is a partition-to-partition copy, the command is here:

http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs-onthefly-2010-10-30-11-34

(2) http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs_onthefly_local.xdkVmV/
is a disk-to-disk copy, the exact command is here:

http://saper.info/files/ocs/ocs-onthefly-2010-10-30-12-13

Unfortunately, screen output does not get logged into /tmp
files, I attach a full /var/log/messages dump from those
two runs (they were executed by restarting clonezilla
and not rebooting):

http://saper.info/files/ocs/messages

If there is some way to have the clonezilla console 
output logged to a file, please advise (except
from starting the whole thing from command line of course...)

Those DMA/disk error seem to halt the replication process
forever - I get them over and over (one night was not enough
to push the process further). 

Is there any way to skip over bad blocks? (as you
see, I tried the "-rescue" option).

//Marcin

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Feature request: create new directory on the fly

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Or maybe you can make that by modifying the file 
/opt/drbl/sbin/prep-ocsroot...
Once you have made that, please send us the patch file.
Thanks.

Steven.

On 10/26/2010 08:33 AM, Steve Poe wrote:
> My colleagues want create a new folder structure to store Clonezilla 
> images, but their
> not Linux/unix people. If someone created a directory path to 
> load/save images, any option
> for Clonezilla to create the directory if it does not exist already?
> Thanks.
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[Clonezilla-live] Feature request: create new directory on the fly

[Steve P. <Ste...@de...>]

My colleagues want create a new folder structure to store Clonezilla images, but their
not Linux/unix people. If someone created a directory path to load/save images, any option
for Clonezilla to create the directory if it does not exist already?

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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Forcing sector-to-sector copy

[Jaime T. <jai...@gm...>]

Thanks Andy, works like a charm.

JT

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Andy Berquist <abe...@ad...> wrote:
> I also use checkpoint with clonezilla. You will need to use expert mode, and select "dd only". I recommend turning off compression as well, as the encrypted data will not compress well.
>
> -Andy
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> Subject: [Clonezilla-live] Forcing sector-to-sector copy
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Checkpoint's full disc encryption on my Win XP laptop so
> clonezilla is not able to mount the NTFS image to start the cloning
> process.  How can I force it to use sector-to-sector copy instead of
> trying to mount the partition?
>
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] getting klog messages

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Hi Montaseri,
Maybe you can try to put "quiet" in the boot parameter.

Steven.


On 2010/10/21 下午 03:15, Montaseri wrote:
> Hi Steven,
>
> Thanks....is there a way to stop these messages from coming on the screen...
>
>
>
>  >> However, I see some klog messages coming in and made visible thru dialog
>  >> screens. Usually kernel message are written to /dev/tty0 ( /dev/console)
>  >> . I am running my dialog screens on /dev/tty1 and there is no link
>  >> between /dev/console and /dev/tty1.
>  >
>  > Actually usually kernel messages are written to the active console IIRC.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steven Shiau <st...@nc...
> <mailto:st...@nc...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     On 2010/10/16 上午 07:54, Montaseri wrote:
>      > Hi,
>      >
>      > Just downloaded 1.2.6-24-i686.zip for a live pendrive ( aka usb ) and
>      > customized it with my custom-ocs(1) script.
>      >
>      > However, I see some klog messages coming in and made visible thru
>     dialog
>      > screens. Usually kernel message are written to /dev/tty0 (
>     /dev/console)
>      > . I am running my dialog screens on /dev/tty1 and there is no link
>      > between /dev/console and /dev/tty1.
>     Actually usually kernel messages are written to the active console IIRC.
>      >
>      > I was working with a live cd version (downloaded 2 or 3 weeks
>     ago) which
>      > did not exhibit this .... is it the CD vs USB or is the new release ?
>     They are the same. The only difference is the booting mechanism.
>      >
>      > Also, given a clonezilla osi ....is there any version file
>     somewhere in
>      > /opt/drbl that I can figure out what Clonezilla version is this
>     iso from.
>     dpkg -l clonezilla.
>
>     Steven.
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      > Medi
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] getting klog messages

[Montaseri <mon...@gm...>]

Hi Steven,

Thanks....is there a way to stop these messages from coming on the screen...



>> However, I see some klog messages coming in and made visible thru dialog
>> screens. Usually kernel message are written to /dev/tty0 ( /dev/console)
>> . I am running my dialog screens on /dev/tty1 and there is no link
>> between /dev/console and /dev/tty1.
>
> Actually usually kernel messages are written to the active console IIRC.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steven Shiau <st...@nc...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2010/10/16 上午 07:54, Montaseri wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just downloaded 1.2.6-24-i686.zip for a live pendrive ( aka usb ) and
> > customized it with my custom-ocs(1) script.
> >
> > However, I see some klog messages coming in and made visible thru dialog
> > screens. Usually kernel message are written to /dev/tty0 ( /dev/console)
> > . I am running my dialog screens on /dev/tty1 and there is no link
> > between /dev/console and /dev/tty1.
> Actually usually kernel messages are written to the active console IIRC.
> >
> > I was working with a live cd version (downloaded 2 or 3 weeks ago) which
> > did not exhibit this .... is it the CD vs USB or is the new release ?
> They are the same. The only difference is the booting mechanism.
> >
> > Also, given a clonezilla osi ....is there any version file somewhere in
> > /opt/drbl that I can figure out what Clonezilla version is this iso from.
> dpkg -l clonezilla.
>
> Steven.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Medi
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] getting klog messages

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Hi,

On 2010/10/16 上午 07:54, Montaseri wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just downloaded 1.2.6-24-i686.zip for a live pendrive ( aka usb ) and
> customized it with my custom-ocs(1) script.
>
> However, I see some klog messages coming in and made visible thru dialog
> screens. Usually kernel message are written to /dev/tty0 ( /dev/console)
> . I am running my dialog screens on /dev/tty1 and there is no link
> between /dev/console and /dev/tty1.
Actually usually kernel messages are written to the active console IIRC.
>
> I was working with a live cd version (downloaded 2 or 3 weeks ago) which
> did not exhibit this .... is it the CD vs USB or is the new release ?
They are the same. The only difference is the booting mechanism.
>
> Also, given a clonezilla osi ....is there any version file somewhere in
> /opt/drbl that I can figure out what Clonezilla version is this iso from.
dpkg -l clonezilla.

Steven.
>
> Thanks
> Medi
>
>
>
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[Clonezilla-live] how to tell a livecd version

[Montaseri <mon...@gm...>]

Hi,

Given a livecd CD or ISO, how can I tell what version of Clonezilla is it?

Say I have a box booted up with a livecd....is there a way (maybe in /etc or
somewhere) to look for version of Clonezilla that was used

Thanks
Medi

Re: [Clonezilla-live] getting klog messages

[Montaseri <mon...@gm...>]

Did this post make it to the list?

Medi

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Montaseri <mon...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just downloaded 1.2.6-24-i686.zip for a live pendrive ( aka usb ) and
> customized it with my custom-ocs(1) script.
>
> However, I see some klog messages coming in and made visible thru dialog
> screens. Usually kernel message are written to /dev/tty0 ( /dev/console) . I
> am running my dialog screens on /dev/tty1 and there is no link between
> /dev/console and /dev/tty1.
>
> I was working with a live cd version (downloaded 2 or 3 weeks ago) which
> did not exhibit this .... is it the CD vs USB or is the new release ?
>
> Also, given a clonezilla osi ....is there any version file somewhere in
> /opt/drbl that I can figure out what Clonezilla version is this iso from.
>
> Thanks
> Medi
>